swap questions on civic

**celica man** · 12-21-2002 07:41 PM

this is a quote from another site.....what do you think? by the way tobi or anyone else that has a swap.....why did you go with that engine?.......in tobi's case the b18c in what was your red hb

Yes, an H22A engine will probably get you a very quick civic. With the engine swap alone into a civic you will get low 14's (high-mid 13's with a hatchback). With a good driver that is. However, you will have a car that handles like a turd. The H22A engine is very heavy, compared to it's B-series brothers. So if you don't care about stopping or turning, then go H22A.

Otherwise you can get the B18C5 (ITR) or B18C1 (GSR). Those swaps alone will put a civic into mid 14's (hatch into high 13's/low 14's). Again, with a good driver. A B18C series motor should cost around 2 grand for engine and transmission/ECU. make sure you get the transmission and ECU with any engine you purchase. And the B18C will bolt in easier than the H22A.

**forum** · 12-21-2002 08:24 PM

that person doesn't know what they are talking about, an h22 is a feasable swap, you just have to do a suspension setup for it, and it wont ever have a nice ride at all. also keep in mind all these times are at sea level. The b18c5 i can believe high 13s/low 14s, the b18c1 will probably only do mid 14s.

The h22 would require a mount kit from someone like hasport whereas a b18 would bolt in with integra mounts(its a 5th gen hatch right?)

**TXKompressor** · 12-21-2002 08:29 PM

Originally posted by celica man
this is a quote from another site.....what do you think? by the way tobi or anyone else that has a swap.....why did you go with that engine?.......in tobi's case the b18c in what was your red hb
A B18C series motor should cost around 2 grand for engine and transmission/ECU. make sure you get the transmission and ECU with any engine you purchase. And the B18C will bolt in easier than the H22A.

Yeah it sounds about right, an H22 wil fit into a CRX but the understeer is disgusting... it is like having a couple of friends sit on the hood of your car and driving around.. But if you are only 1/4 miling the car it is great, torque and speed..woohooo

I would love to find out where to get and B18C series engine for 2 g's average is about $3k - $5k.

**Scuba_Steve** · 12-21-2002 09:23 PM

Originally posted by forum
also keep in mind all these times are at sea level. The b18c5 i can believe high 13s/low 14s, the b18c1 will probably only do mid 14s.

For sea level those times are very underestimated if you have a good driver. A friend of mine ran a 13.9 at PMI with a B18C5 in a 94 Civic DX hatch with I/H/E and drag radials. I ran a 14.3 with a B18C1 in my CX with a shitty 2.3 60ft. Both cars should run very low 13's if not a high 12 at sea level with very few mods. For the record I ran a 14.3 at sea level in my 95 Civic EX coupe (2600lbs w/driver), with a B16A2 with simple bolt-on's. If you have the right hatch (92-95 CX, VX, DX) any B-series motor will put you in the 13's at sea level.

**HONDA GHANDI** · 12-21-2002 10:38 PM

Go with the B series, ease of install and unlimited options in the aftermarket make it the clear choice. even now the K20 motors are becoming more of an option than the H series. Chris and I might start work on a K series swap mount kit for older civics. Seems Like the next logical step. Even with three cylinders Chris' car was making 280 hp on a 100 shot. The motor is just scary what its capable of.

**TedR719** · 12-21-2002 10:41 PM

The guy couldnt have said it better...

**12seccivy** · 12-22-2002 12:10 AM

Originally posted by HONDA GHANDI
Go with the B series, ease of install and unlimited options in the aftermarket make it the clear choice. even now the K20 motors are becoming more of an option than the H series. Chris and I might start work on a K series swap mount kit for older civics. Seems Like the next logical step. Even with three cylinders Chris' car was making 280 hp on a 100 shot. The motor is just scary what its capable of.

wouldnt this mean flipping the motor over to the other side?
clockwise rotation vs.counterclockwise?

damn that sounds like a LOT of work.

**HONDA GHANDI** · 12-22-2002 12:15 AM

yep. Work doesnt scare me though. The motor and trans setup really isnt all that different, just backwards. Worst case scenario I have to weld mount brackets to the body. BFD.

**forum** · 12-22-2002 12:31 AM

look at the mount kit to put the k20 in the 2003 ex 4 door, it would be pretty much the same, the d17 is almost the same as all the other d series motors

and the h22 WILL NOT CAUSE UNDERSTEER all you have to do is set your suspension up for it properly

**12seccivy** · 12-22-2002 12:34 AM

Originally posted by HONDA GHANDI
yep. Work doesnt scare me though. The motor and trans setup really isnt all that different, just backwards. Worst case scenario I have to weld mount brackets to the body. BFD.

sounds like you've got a pretty good idea to make it fly.
good luck to ya on that one and please.. take some pics,that would be awesome to see.

**HONDA GHANDI** · 12-22-2002 08:09 AM

Originally posted by forum

and the h22 WILL NOT CAUSE UNDERSTEER all you have to do is set your suspension up for it properly

Which means spending more money. Thats one of the cheif reasons for going with the B series.

**forum** · 12-22-2002 02:57 PM

i agree it does require spending more money, but it pisses me off when people spread things that aren't true. But I agree the b-series seems to be the way to go on a budget

**scoobyworx** · 12-22-2002 03:58 PM

The only way i would put a H22 in there is if i was running a pure drag car like the AEM GReddy Civic or what not. I think B series is the way to go that way you dont have to dick around with your suspension.

**TXKompressor** · 12-22-2002 07:34 PM

Originally posted by forum
i agree it does require spending more money, but it pisses me off when people spread things that aren't true. But I agree the b-series seems to be the way to go on a budget

Let me go ahead and clarify something...

The H22 swap in a CRX or 4th gen hatch is good for only drag and anyone will tell you the same because it is hard and expensive to adjust suspension for understeer, on the other hand the H22 in the 5th Gen hatches and coupes are not that bad at all.. the understeer is not even half as bad as the CRX and 4th gen's.. and then same as the car gets heavier the swap is better. Like the 6th Gen Civic is probably the best donor for the H22.. It barely has understeer at all, but hey I bet everyone knew that for there are hardly many 4th gen's doing that swap. the cars you see the H22 in are the 5th and 6th gen civic's guess there is a reason for that? IMO...and maybe a little common sence too, tell me what you think... I believe it to be true... but hey never know...

**forum** · 12-22-2002 09:01 PM

Hmm I haven't ever paid much attention to crxs/4th gens, but I was under the impression getting an h22 to fit would require chopping away at quite a bit of the engine bay?

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