View Full Version : Its time for an Evolution...ITS HERE! Go drive one!
Bedlam
03-08-2003, 06:18 PM
So they had 2 new Evo 8's at Skyline Mitsubishi today...I was going to go drive one..but the dealer is a moron..and the car hadn't even been prepped yet. (go figure)
Anyway..they decided that the "Denver market value" adds $10k to the price of a fucking car...so I told them to bite my ass and stuff...but I still have an appointment to drive it monday. :)
Since I'm such a swell guy however...I DID take some pictures...so here you all go.
-Bedlam
http://members.wcox.com/bedlam/evosticker.jpg
(yeah..thats fucking lame....10k extra? wtf?)
http://members.wcox.com/bedlam/evocooler.jpg
(now THATS sexy)
http://members.wcox.com/bedlam/evoside.jpg
http://members.wcox.com/bedlam/evobadge.jpg
(had to do it...sorry)
I want to see a picture with the hood closed. I want to see what that vent looks like. That car looks awesome. Yea Mitsubishi!
SleeperZ
03-08-2003, 07:56 PM
That's about time. My opinion of Mitsubishi has been going downhill ever since the 3rd gen Eclipse...
This should be an improvement.
Dallas J
03-08-2003, 08:11 PM
That dealership is fucking gay! I wouldnt ever pay more than MSRP even for a limited production vehicle. I went and looked at one yesterday. For the most part the car is bad ass.. I adjustable hight HID's were one of my favorite features. But the plastic BOV was pretty retarded.
-Dallas J
Bee18c
03-08-2003, 08:13 PM
That car is the shizznits, about time they brought it over.
40K WTF?
gjcivic
03-08-2003, 08:16 PM
$40K??????????????????????????????????????????????
BBOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
I hate dealers that gouge, and manufactures that allow it ( yeah, I know, Honda F'd up on the S2K, too....)
thats just bullshit
I hope they have to stick it up their ass when people just go down the street to a REAL mitsu dealer, or the Subby dealer for a STi....
JasonU
03-08-2003, 08:37 PM
Wow down here in Springs we must get the bargain model... only $35K! :rolleyes: There was one yellow Evo in the Mitsu showroom I went and looked at today. It's a good looking car. The interior is nice, great seats, the steering wheel seems a bit too small compared to the rest of the interior though. I don't mind the front bumper styling we got either, looks sharp.
The one thing I DID NOT like at all : ALTEZZA-STYLE TAIL LIGHTS!!!! What were they thinking?? You drive it off the lot and it looks like you stopped by Pep Boys already. YUCK!
Some other guys were in there oogling it, but I think they were WRX fans... all they could talk about while looking at the Evo was the upcoming STI. I'm glad there's competition now between manufacturers for this class of car, it can only get better in the future!
doubletwins
03-08-2003, 08:50 PM
$40 grand for a Mitsubishi... no thanks. :eek:
David
03-08-2003, 09:19 PM
IMO the Evolution is not going to live up to what everybody says it will. The STI and 350Z have it beat in numbers and price, and looks, but thats a personal preference.
I really hate DSM now. They got rid of Eagle and just ruined the Eclipse and created the Lancer to be economy which is now $40,000. And the commercials....how many times do people have to flame them in order for them to STOP!
exciv2000
03-08-2003, 09:53 PM
;gay; on the 41K price.
;gay; on the looks
;gay; on the MPG
Total impression: No thanks.
shane
03-08-2003, 10:04 PM
dont forget
;gay; on the AWD
Scuba_Steve
03-08-2003, 10:10 PM
Originally posted by JasonU
Some other guys were in there oogling it, but I think they were WRX fans... all they could talk about while looking at the Evo was the upcoming STI. I'm glad there's competition now between manufacturers for this class of car, it can only get better in the future!
That's was probably me and my friend Adam. :D
Ashton
03-08-2003, 11:57 PM
i wonder what they would do if you said you were going to pay cash... went to go drive it FLOORED the shit outta the car.. and than was like i dont like it and walked out.
nolimitsoldier
03-09-2003, 01:45 AM
I don't know how I feel about that car...Let's here more after it's driven!
holy shits!!!! 10k mark up price?!? thats way ghey::mad::
Maverick
03-09-2003, 08:05 AM
I still don't like them. Go figure. Sure as hell not worth the $10k mark up either.
Violator
03-09-2003, 08:11 AM
The new evo doesnt look that bad, I'd wait until the Sti comes out, when mitsu see's everyone buying a subi becuase there wasnt a "denver market value" markup they'll think twice.
For that price you can get yourself a mkiv supra and put down 1000+ to the wheels. Sure, it's not AWD, but at that power level who cares? :)
Once the EVOs are here en masse, it'd probably be a GREAT time to go WRX shoping.. ;)
Thanks for the pictures, Bedlam.
Bedlam
03-09-2003, 09:14 AM
Yeah..the dealer said (of course) that they would be flexible on the price...but the other Evo that they got in...was already sold. After I drive it..I might honestly be willing to pay $30k for it...but certainly not the $40k. You have to admit tho' that car is going to be a freaking head-turner for a while. It definately needs to be lowered a bit however..it also really surprised me that the OE wing is a 2 piece carbon fiber job...weird.
I really liked the interior as well..but it didnt seem as nice as my RSX. Beings how the seats are mostly the same, steering wheel the same...whatever...you just lose a lot in the trim of the car. And in this case...a $23k RSX owns the hell out of a $40k Evo 8. Think about how fast my car would be if I spent that 17k difference into 'go fast' parts? We'll see I guess. They better let me drive the damn thing monday or I'm just walking. Assheads. :p
They invite me down there to drive it and hadn't even PDI'd the car yet...WTF? The dealer also didnt know JACK SHIT about imports..he wasnt making me real comfortable..just adding sales pressure.
Anyway, thats just my experience...I'll definately let everyone know how it was to drive if I get to go flog it tomorrow.
-Bedlam
TedR719
03-09-2003, 10:35 AM
Ugly and too much!
V8SpankR
03-09-2003, 11:30 AM
Originally posted by exciv2000
;gay; on the MPG
Gas Mileage,who cares? It's a 300hp car . (they've dynoed at about 240whp and that's not 270 crank horse)
Let's see what mpg your Civic will get at 300hp;oh yeah that's right it'll never see 300hp. :guns:
(runs for cover ;) )
I just can't take the opinions from the Honda crowd too seriously when the only car that Honda sells over here that can beat the Evolution is the NSX (and just barely) and it costs $90k with no markup and the looks are subjective.
(ok,I'm done defending my brand)
Seriously,I'm glad it's here since it's a good for the sports car market being revived but I don't think I'd own one,it is still a Mirage/Lancer and parts of the EVO show it's cheap side but it's all over looked because of the power and it will be the "it" car for a while and the gawk factor will be high but overall the car isn't me and I still like a 2 door car.
I'll just keep my Eclipse,thank you.:cool:
I am interested what parts will break first at the dragstrip and hope to know soon. :D
V8SpankR
03-09-2003, 11:30 AM
quality Mitsu quoted me just under $36k but........
That's still an outrageous price for what you are getting...
$41k is just insane for that car. At that price you're within spitting distance of an M3 or Z06. And if you want to save 6 grand you could get a Cobra. Hell you could import and legalize a Skyline for that price.
V8SpankR
03-09-2003, 01:53 PM
Originally posted by jojo
Hell you could import and legalize a Skyline for that price.
But what bank would finance it since I know I couldn't just buy one outright?
Dallas J
03-09-2003, 02:20 PM
Heuberger told me they were gonna sell all there WRX's for MSRP. No higher, no lower. Thats fair for a limited production/specialty vehicle. Mitsubishi is out of it mind putting that 10k markup
-Dallas J
Originally posted by V8SpankR
I just can't take the opinions from the Honda crowd too seriously when the only car that Honda sells over here that can beat the Evolution is the NSX (and just barely) and it costs $90k with no markup and the looks are subjective.
(ok,I'm done defending my brand)
the evo runs high 12's stock at sea level, I dont think the nsx will do that, well maybe with some exotic sports car driver behind the wheel, driving it like a madman.
hmmm... I no like...
WRX is due out soon and they're supposed to be "Just north of 30K" and come stock with 300 hp/300 trq... I think I'd rather have that, but if you think about it... Like John said... Buy a ride for cheap and after adding that much money into it, you could be over a grand of horses... Seriously you say a honda will never see 300 HP... No offense or anything but there's a guy that runs with PFI that puts down 388 FWHP and he doesn't even have 20K invested... God only knows with 41K or even 30K for that matter... I'm betting a person could get pretty creative. Anywayz... I think the car looks pretty good and probably performs pretty well too (I love the phat FMIC) :D but anything about 35K I think is just ludacris
(Now that I've stood up for my Honda ;))
Originally posted by JDX BlackHatch
Seriously you say a honda will never see 300 HP... No offense or anything but there's a guy that runs with PFI that puts down 388 FWHP and he doesn't even have 20K invested...
(Now that I've stood up for my Honda ;)) I dont think Paul meant that hondas "cant" make 300 hp. what He is saying is that 99% or so of modified hondas will never see 300 whp. Paul and I know people who have hondas with over 300 whp in the past, Korneys blue si for instance...
exciv2000
03-09-2003, 03:22 PM
Honda will get to and over 300 HP in time, and it will still have excellent gas mileage. Yes, some of us are concientious about how much gas we burn, some of us don't like supporting terrorists any more than necessary :p
David
03-09-2003, 05:59 PM
Originally posted by exciv2000
Honda will get to and over 300 HP in time, and it will still have excellent gas mileage. Yes, some of us are concientious about how much gas we burn, some of us don't like supporting terrorists any more than necessary :p
If they would just put a turbo in the s2000 and the SI then they would be well over the 300HP mark, but that would make them pretty expensive.
V8SpankR
03-09-2003, 10:46 PM
Originally posted by exciv2000
Honda will get to and over 300 HP in time, and it will still have excellent gas mileage. Yes, some of us are concientious about how much gas we burn, some of us don't like supporting terrorists any more than necessary :p
I actually meant your car specifically,you know I was teasing. Also define excellent gas mileage? I can get good mileage too if I never boost but then what's the point in having a turbo?
I am also concientious about how much gas I burn that's why my DSM isn't a daily driver and only drive it for pleasure.
V8SpankR
03-09-2003, 10:51 PM
Originally posted by JDX BlackHatch
Seriously you say a honda will never see 300 HP...
I meant exciv's Honda,just giving him shit for dissin the Mitsu,I am very knowledgeable about Hondas and horsepower.
V8SpankR
03-10-2003, 09:16 AM
Newt2 saw a blue EVO on a truck yesterday and he said if he had the $$$ he'd even consider one.
Can't wait to catch one on the street and see one at Bandi.
doubletwins
03-10-2003, 10:59 AM
Originally posted by V8SpankR
Newt2 saw a blue EVO on a truck yesterday and he said if he had the $$$ he'd even consider one.
Can't wait to catch one on the street and see one at Bandi.
That's easy to say... IF I had the money.. haha. It'd be hard to look at other $40 grand cars (Audi's,BMW's,Vette's) and then decide to buy a Mitsu. I don't think they're on the same playing field. I think Mitsu overshot their market by about $10-15 grand on this one. The car is aimed at the younger market, but the price sure isn't. Don't know of too many other young people that can handle a $700 a month car payment.
V8SpankR
03-10-2003, 01:33 PM
He meant he would pay 30k for it not the inflated price.
Mitsu in a way might be overshooting the market a bit but still isn't going to have any problems selling them this year and when prices settle down to MSRP.
$30k (MSRP) isn't bad for a car that's near 300 crankhorse plus FMIC and auto/manual sprayer. What else can compete for low $30k till the Sti comes out? The Cobra but that's about $35k sticker.
The price gouging won't last long,it only took the Cobra about a month or so to drop $10k when they came out.
exciv2000
03-10-2003, 01:33 PM
Originally posted by V8SpankR
I actually meant your car specifically,you know I was teasing. Also define excellent gas mileage? I can get good mileage too if I never boost but then what's the point in having a turbo?
I am also concientious about how much gas I burn that's why my DSM isn't a daily driver and only drive it for pleasure.
I get 30 MPG city driving with and without boost.
EVORacingCO1
03-10-2003, 01:38 PM
Originally posted by Violator
The new evo doesnt look that bad, I'd wait until the Sti comes out, when mitsu see's everyone buying a subi becuase there wasnt a "denver market value" markup they'll think twice.
not ture Subis are 2000-7000 more in colorado then anywhere else. the reason it they sell more subi Per. Cap. in colorado then anywhere else in the world. that comes from the Marketing depot in Japan. it was in the denver post about 4-5 months ago. go anywhere else in the U.S and youll pay less. most AWD cars sells for more in Colrado then anywhere else so. Mitsu. is just doing good buess. then know people will pay it because they wont want to buy a car from somewhere out of state. SMART.
exciv2000
03-10-2003, 01:48 PM
Originally posted by V8SpankR
I meant exciv's Honda,just giving him shit for dissin the Mitsu,I am very knowledgeable about Hondas and horsepower.
I'm dissing on it because I think it's ugly, I think the price it outrageous, and I think the MPG of 18 is an optimism by Mitsu... most people probably won't get that stock, and especially if the modify it (and they will). Might as well buy an SUV for those numbers, both the MPG and the money. 300HP doesn't mean shit to me if the car is ugly. I liked the Evo 7's for a while, but the Evo 8's went ugly, as are all of the other mitsus for sale now... that front grill they put on every car is retarded. Just because I have a honda doesn't mean I think it's the king of the road, I'm not AV630. I'd much rather have an Audi, BMW, Mercedes, etc. for that price, regardless of HP, because they will get better MPG and they are much prettier cars by a long shot.
V8SpankR
03-10-2003, 02:21 PM
I was just bustin' your balls at the MPG comment since most enthusiasts on this board don't seem to care that they get gas mileage in the teens and my car gets what SUVs so should I just buy an SUV? I think not.
The whole looks thing is just subjective and I respect your opinion but I don't mind them. The price is a bit high but nothing competes with it at the moment so you gotta pay somewhere plus the EVO can be used in any weather which suits Colorado just fine.
If you are under boost you can't get the same gas mileage that you get with no boost,it just doesn't work that way.
At the strip in an evening of racing your gas mileage isn't affected? I use nearly a 1/4 of a tank at a Club Clash but then again you aren't boosting much and it's a SOHC but I'm sure boost reduces your "regular" gas mileage a fair amount if it doesn't then you aren't boosting that often.
Be havijng mostly I get about 20mpg but during a race weekend and out cruising it will drop to about 17 and 16 on a particularly run heavy weekend.
exciv2000
03-10-2003, 02:55 PM
If I'm at the track, I run 100 octane, so i get more MPG with it, so it evens out. When I didn't have boost, I'd get about 32 MPG in the city.
V8SpankR
03-10-2003, 03:12 PM
Originally posted by exciv2000
If I'm at the track, I run 100 octane, so i get more MPG with it, so it evens out. When I didn't have boost, I'd get about 32 MPG in the city.
Ok,I can go with that and 32 is very good,even Pat's daily driven Subaru wagon Loyale only gets about 27mpg.
nolimitsoldier
03-10-2003, 09:54 PM
I could find an 00-01 M3 for that price, and an S4 for cheaper, and I would rather role one of those than a evo,
exciv2000
03-10-2003, 10:58 PM
Originally posted by Master Killer
I could find an 00-01 M3 for that price, and an S4 for cheaper, and I would rather role one of those than a evo,
:werd: S4 ownz me, or maybe soon I will own it :p
But my point was that Honda will build 300 HP cars very soon, they are almost there anyhow. They will probably still be N/A cars too, and have plenty of torque.
Originally posted by exciv2000
But my point was that Honda will build 300 HP cars very soon, they are almost there anyhow. They will probably still be N/A cars too, and have plenty of torque. dont know about the torque part, I've yet to see a stock honda with torue, honda engineers are into the make high hp #'s at high rpm with low n/a torque output concept. what honda needs to do is make eaton blowers standard on all of its performance vehicles. All I've seen so far is from a reliablility standpoint honda motors seem to like blowers better than turbo's and perform reliably and still very streetable
doubletwins
03-11-2003, 01:30 AM
Wow guys, check this out...
$20K in mark up.... and you thought it was bad in Denver
http://www.imbecilicracing.com/evo8/IMG_1006.JPG
:eek: :rolleyes:
Can't really see it, but where was the picture taken?
Originally posted by doubletwins
Wow guys, check this out...
$20K in mark up.... and you thought it was bad in Denver
http://www.imbecilicracing.com/evo8/IMG_1006.JPG
:eek: :rolleyes: thats crazy, not to many people can afford it in this economy.
V8SpankR
03-11-2003, 07:40 AM
Originally posted by exciv2000
:werd: S4 ownz me, or maybe soon I will own it :p
But my point was that Honda will build 300 HP cars very soon, they are almost there anyhow. They will probably still be N/A cars too, and have plenty of torque.
What cars will have 300hp and the cost being reasonable? (under $35k)
I know some of their $40k+ sedans might get 300hp but Honda is lagging a bit in the "cheap" market (look at the Si,it's slower than the previous gen).
V8SpankR
03-11-2003, 07:42 AM
Originally posted by doubletwins
Wow guys, check this out...
$20K in mark up.... and you thought it was bad in Denver
http://www.imbecilicracing.com/evo8/IMG_1006.JPG
:eek: :rolleyes:
This price won't last and we don't even know if some sucker paid that price considering most of them are going for about $36k around the country.
exciv2000
03-11-2003, 07:55 AM
Originally posted by V8SpankR
What cars will have 300hp and the cost being reasonable? (under $35k)
I know some of their $40k+ sedans might get 300hp but Honda is lagging a bit in the "cheap" market (look at the Si,it's slower than the previous gen).
Base price for an Acura TL Type-S is 31,300 and comes with 260 HP. You can easily talk a dealer down to sub 30K and include in some navigation with that. So yeah, you're looking at the wrong end of the spectrum buddy. I'm sure by 2004, or 2005, they will have a car or two just at or over 300 HP.
Here's the specs on the NSX, although much higher in price, it is indicative of their power potential:
Horsepower @ rpm
(SAE net) NSX 3.0: 252 @ 6600
NSX 3.2: 290 @ 7100
Yeah, even the MDX has 260 HP out of a V-6 SOHC... imagine the power with a DOHC.
Are you getting the picture yet? :)
shane
03-11-2003, 08:14 AM
Still NO torque.
V8SpankR
03-11-2003, 08:14 AM
I was aware of the 260hp motors but how much horsepower are they going to continue to get,there will be a leveling point and if Honda takes too much longer they will be missing the boat in the horsepower wars.
I really want to see Honda put 300hp into a sporty car and not some overblown heavy luxury car. That 260hp in a TL can only run 14.7s or so,so the Maxima can beat it and the Altima runs with it. I want to see a Honda run 13s reliably off the showroom floor and be price competitive,the S2000 can hit 13s but at the expense of the rear diff.
I know that the next NSX will have about 350 but for $90k it should and actually compete with cheaper cars again,Honda has lived off the same NSX essentially since it debuted in '89.
I do like Hondas but they are a bit soft in the horsepower dept and is really hesitent to make drastic changes with their cars.
exciv2000
03-11-2003, 08:47 AM
Originally posted by shane
Still NO torque.
Uhm, the TL type-S has 216 TQ at 4500 RPM.
The new Accords with 160 HP have 161 TQ at 4500 RPM.
^Same with the Honda Element
The Honda Pilot has 240 HP and 242 TQ at 4500 RPM
So yeah, the "honda has no torque" argument is so last decade.
V8SpankR
03-11-2003, 10:37 AM
Qaulity Mistubishi got a silver one on Saturday and it was sold by noon by a 65 year old guy who just wrote a check for $36k and drove off with it.
pearlvr4
03-15-2003, 10:38 PM
you don't even hit peak tourqe on the honda engines until 4500rpm's and untill you hit about 4000rpm's the torqe is almost invisible on the cars.
there engines make great power for the highway, but will get owned between the stop lights.
David
03-15-2003, 10:56 PM
Originally posted by pearlvr4
you don't even hit peak tourqe on the honda engines until 4500rpm's and untill you hit about 4000rpm's the torqe is almost invisible on the cars.
there engines make great power for the highway, but will get owned between the stop lights.
Slap a turbo on it and a Honda will kick ass high and low:D
Steve_C
03-16-2003, 05:09 PM
honestly, it's the dealers that are going to kill the evolution. during the press release, mitsubishi stated that the evolution will be under 30K. to pay 40K for a semi watered down evo is stupid. you can get a full blown evo7 with the ayc, acd plus a motec stand alone for 35-37 grand through evolutionimports.
steve
fitchnpolo
03-16-2003, 06:33 PM
Originally posted by Evo_Schen
honestly, it's the dealers that are going to kill the evolution. during the press release, mitsubishi stated that the evolution will be under 30K. to pay 40K for a semi watered down evo is stupid. you can get a full blown evo7 with the ayc, acd plus a motec stand alone for 35-37 grand through evolutionimports.
steve
and you're not going to be able to legally drive it, so what's your point?
Steve_C
03-16-2003, 06:47 PM
Originally posted by fitchnpolo
and you're not going to be able to legally drive it, so what's your point?
actually evolutionimports do for the ctr and the evo, what motorex does for the skyline. it'll be converted, dot legal and ready for registration.
V8SpankR
03-17-2003, 08:28 AM
I've heard that the Skyline's converted to OBDII can cost over $20k just to make them fully legal,is this correct?
b18cya-T
03-17-2003, 08:40 AM
Originally posted by V8SpankR
I've heard that the Skyline's converted to OBDII can cost over $20k just to make them fully legal,is this correct?
more like 30k
if its a 95 or older, it's only about 15k
V8SpankR
03-17-2003, 09:58 AM
That's why you don't see more EVOs and Skylines running around.
Relatively cheap to but not worth the money to make it street legal in the opinion of my wallet. :(
Talonstylz
04-01-2003, 10:43 PM
I would love to have an EVO. Not everything is straight line guys. How many cars can we get here 36k or under that can pull a .97g on the skidpad STOCK??? not too many. Get some suspension done to it and holy fuck it will handle more of a dream than it already does. Especially since its a 4 door.
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