7th gen civic swap? [Archive] - High Altitude Imports

andyman97

02-08-2003, 10:34 PM

I was talking to eric about a swap and I'm not sure what the best way to go would be. I was checking out three diff engines but I'm not sure about fitment and difficulty. I was looking at a k20 type r, a b16b or a f20c. All motors would have their own benefits but I'm not sure which one to go with. Opinions please.

stu

02-08-2003, 11:06 PM

A K-Series.

andyman97

02-08-2003, 11:41 PM

Originally posted by stu
A K-Series.
They're like 6 g's for a motor, ecu, tranny, why do you say a k over a b?

Bedlam

02-09-2003, 12:44 AM

Originally posted by andyman97
They're like 6 g's for a motor, ecu, tranny, why do you say a k over a b?

Because its a better powerplant in almost every way? Not that I'm biased or anything....but I've owned both, and you'll just have to trust me on this one. My K20A owns the HELL out of the B16A.

Besides...you didnt mention money was an issue...why NOT get a K-series?

-Bedlam

andyman97

02-09-2003, 02:27 AM

Originally posted by Bedlam
Because its a better powerplant in almost every way? Not that I'm biased or anything....but I've owned both, and you'll just have to trust me on this one. My K20A owns the HELL out of the B16A.

Besides...you didnt mention money was an issue...why NOT get a K-series?

-Bedlam
Available aftermarket parts is an issue. I've been told that the K series motor doesn't have alot of parts available, whereas the B series would. I would like to pick up the motor and replace the internals with beefier parts so that I'll be able to run more boost and overbore with p+p, as well as a decent sized shot of nitrous, my goal is to get under 10 seconds at sea level and I want to build a motor that'll be able to take some abuse.

scoobyworx

02-09-2003, 09:41 AM

well for one, you would have a hell of a time swapping in a B16 because for 1, the motor mounts are not the same... (2) The motor turns the opposite now...(3) Just like bedlam said, "the K20 owns the B16"...(4) The K20 is going to swap into the 7th gen civic just like a B18 into a 5th gen civic or what not.......if you just wait a little bit more they are going to have many performance parts out for the K20....i mean hell, they already have a turbo kit out for it...:D

forum

02-09-2003, 02:53 PM

Originally posted by 95GSRB18C
well for one, you would have a hell of a time swapping in a B16 because for 1, the motor mounts are not the same... (2) The motor turns the opposite now...(3) Just like bedlam said, "the K20 owns the B16"...(4) The K20 is going to swap into the 7th gen civic just like a B18 into a 5th gen civic or what not.......if you just wait a little bit more they are going to have many performance parts out for the K20....i mean hell, they already have a turbo kit out for it...:D

ever seen the engine bay of a new civic, it's a D17, it would most likely be an easier swap to do a b series than a k series swap.

stfu n00b

B20civic

02-09-2003, 03:56 PM

Originally posted by forum
ever seen the engine bay of a new civic, it's a D17, it would most likely be an easier swap to do a b series than a k series swap.

stfu n00b this is true. 7G coupe/sedan have the same engine layout as other hondas, while the new Si hatch, shares the same engine layout as the RSX :)

scoobyworx

02-09-2003, 03:56 PM

yea i really a n00b fag....as you see my member # is 467...

forum

02-09-2003, 05:48 PM

OOOh 467 so anyways, if you don't have a clue what you are talking about please stfu

scoobyworx

02-09-2003, 05:52 PM

well maybe i thinking of the new Si hatchback....sometimes people always aren't 100% acurate....people do make mistakes, so why dont you stfu.

forum

02-09-2003, 05:58 PM

Hmm, I guess the big pic in his sig with a coupe didn't give it away at all.

andyman97

02-09-2003, 06:04 PM

This is the exact reason I was looking for a b engine. I can find one anywhere for cheap. I will be rebuilding it and replacing internals anyways, so I doubt I'd be able to find a k engine for cheap. I know there are hundreds of parts I have to choose from opposed to a k20 where I am very limited, besides I don't know anyone with a b series in a 7th gen stateside anyways. I think with what I want to do to this motor I can get more power than I could with a k20 and it'd be a hell of alot cheaper.

JDX

02-09-2003, 06:09 PM

Originally posted by forum
OOOh 467 so anyways, if you don't have a clue what you are talking about please stfu

Hmmm... Sounds to me like someone needs their arm cut off and beat with it... I'm so glad you've never made a mistake in a conversation before, I mean with that aditude you'd basicly have to hang yourself wouldn't you?

91IntegraXsi

02-09-2003, 06:13 PM

forum

02-09-2003, 06:14 PM

Originally posted by JDX BlackHatch
Hmmm... Sounds to me like someone needs their arm cut off and beat with it... I'm so glad you've never made a mistake in a conversation before, I mean with that aditude you'd basicly have to hang yourself wouldn't you?

If almost everything he said wasn't retarded I might not be an asshole about it. And I don't sit there acting like I know what I'm talking about if I have no f'in clue. Hmm he has to get his groupies to defend him now too.

B20civic

02-09-2003, 06:14 PM

91IntegraXsi

02-09-2003, 06:22 PM

Originally posted by forum
If almost everything he said wasn't retarded I might not be an asshole about it. And I don't sit there acting like I know what I'm talking about if I have no f'in clue. Hmm he has to get his groupies to defend him now too.

so he cant even make one mistake? He's not acting like he knows what he's talking about, he does know, it's just sometimes people make mistakes...no one is defending him either...we came in here on our own will....god ur a fag...

B20civic

02-09-2003, 06:26 PM

Originally posted by 91IntegraXsi
god ur a fag... :rolleyes: ur? try your, or you're

forum

02-09-2003, 06:27 PM

Hmm, you can't come up with anything that I'm wrong about so you start calling me a fag, fun. Immature little kids are cool(NOT).

91IntegraXsi

02-09-2003, 07:16 PM

well i know your not right about everything, no one is. Oh and how am i immature, you're the piece of shit fag who is talking shit.

stu

02-09-2003, 07:24 PM

Wow, it's like daycare in here. Anyway, isn't there a law that says that you can't an engine in your car that is older than your car? I am sure that law exists somewhere, but I'm not sure if it's here or not.

forum

02-09-2003, 07:25 PM

Hmm, good point stu, I know that law exists in some places, but I don't think unless your in california anyone will notice or care

stu

02-09-2003, 07:29 PM

I just kind of see it as backward progress. I don't much about it so that's all I can really put into the conversation.

scoobyworx

02-09-2003, 07:37 PM

yes that is the law here in CO i believe....one of my friends ran his car at bandimere, they found out his motor was a 95 and his car was a 2000 and they wouldnt let him run his car. If you look at the first couple posts on here, people were talking about putting in the K series.

B20civic

02-09-2003, 07:38 PM

its a retarded california thing :o

TXKompressor

02-09-2003, 07:51 PM

The Law STU is referring to is a not a state wide issue it is a Federal law and I have the link to it and will post it up later. It is a stupid law, but what I am curious about is the conversions like taking a 94 GSR engine and putting it into a 98 Civic hatch, they make the ECU jumpers and the swap is done all the time but the law exists, I just dont think it is enforced. HCP makes a conversion kit for the 92-95 Hatch so you can swap a 1st Gen B16A into it... Got me..

aside the B16B or the F20B for the obvious reasons, It works, the K20 really is alot of work to get in there. The H22 may be a better way to go and it will save you $$$

Also do not be confused the B16B is the CTR engine it is not the same as the B16A, some people where referring to the B16A, two different setupos that have alot different horsepower..

The F20 which is B I believe unless there is a newer model. That would be the way I would go for the DOHC Vtec forks out some good HP

B16B= 185Hp 117 Trq 10.8 Compression $3900
F20B= 200Hp 145Trq 11.0 Compression $3500
H22= 200Hp 161Trq 10.6 Compression $2300

The choice is clear...

forum

02-09-2003, 08:01 PM

I wonder if anyone has tried to use the mount kit for an older civic to put one in a 7th gen, seems like it would be an interesting swap. B-Series would be almost a direct bolt in compared to anything else though. Isn't the f20c the s2k motor though, or is it the older accord motor? If it's the s2k motor I can't imagine that swap would be worth the time/money to make it happen.

TXKompressor

02-09-2003, 08:05 PM

Originally posted by forum
Isn't the f20c the s2k motor though, or is it the older accord motor? If it's the s2k motor I can't imagine that swap would be worth the time/money to make it happen.

F20B is the Accord SiR engine DOHC Vtec 2.0L made 97-01 in Japan

But yes the F20C is the S2k engine and I would love to see that bolted into the 7th Gen Civic wonder if the F20C will bolt to the F20B or an F series FWD Tranny at that

forum

02-09-2003, 08:13 PM

Originally posted by MugenRacer
F20B is the Accord SiR engine DOHC Vtec 2.0L made 97-01 in Japan

But yes the F20C is the S2k engine and I would love to see that bolted into the 7th Gen Civic wonder if the F20C will bolt to the F20B or an F series FWD Tranny at that

http://asia.vtec.net/article/CF4/ Interesting info about the accord SiR

I personally would go with the older accord Sir-T motor(h23) if you want a 2+ liter motor. The s2k Motor is completely different from the rest of the f-series I'm about 99.99% sure the trannys wouldn't bolt up.

TXKompressor

02-09-2003, 08:30 PM

Originally posted by forum
http://asia.vtec.net/article/CF4/ Interesting info about the accord SiR

I personally would go with the older accord Sir-T motor(h23) if you want a 2+ liter motor. The s2k Motor is completely different from the rest of the f-series I'm about 99.99% sure the trannys wouldn't bolt up.

Very interesting info, I like the EPS to turn on and off the power steering assist..for the CF4

But I still like the F20B or the H22 for the 7th gen civic...

isn't the H23 Non Vtec? I have heard of people putting the H22 Head on the H23 Block

forum

02-09-2003, 08:39 PM

9?-96 Accord Sir-T wagon, Jdm h23 2.3L DOHC Vtec auto only

TXKompressor

02-09-2003, 08:42 PM

JDM cars always do what us USDM fools do, but they make it a stock feature...

What are the HPs on it?
Is the
195HP
148ft/lbs?

andyman97

02-10-2003, 07:43 AM

Good stuff. I hadn't even considered the h22. If I were to go with the b16, I wouldn't be concerned about whether it was an a or b, whatever motor I get I plan to replace internals and overbore anyways, so I plan to try and squeeze as much out of it that I can. I'm also not worried about the cost of the block too much either because I am sure I can find one that is in tact from a salvage yard (except for a K20, which was last on my list anyways.) And yes, I don't think the S2000 motor would bolt up, I'd have to convert to rwd and it wouldn't even be close to being worth it. With the kind of money I'd spend on that I could just buy a new S2000, lol.

Dustin

02-10-2003, 08:20 AM

Originally posted by 95GSRB18C
yes that is the law here in CO i believe....one of my friends ran his car at bandimere, they found out his motor was a 95 and his car was a 2000 and they wouldnt let him run his car. If you look at the first couple posts on here, people were talking about putting in the K series.

What? I think your confused. Bandimere could give a shit.

scoobyworx

02-10-2003, 10:50 AM

that's not what they told him. I know you wont pass emissions if your motor is older than your car either....right below the engine code (ex:B16A) there is a series of #'s and i believe they can bring up when the motor was built, etc.

b18cya-T

02-10-2003, 11:51 AM

hasport swapped a k20a2 into a 7th gen civic sedan. to do it, they unbolted the civic subframe & the RSX subframe bolts right in. then the k20a2 drops right in. apparently, it was much easier than many people expected.

& forum....chill the fuck out! you may be correct, but you dont have to be so overwhelmingly arrogant about it.

Bedlam

02-10-2003, 12:22 PM

Originally posted by stu
I just kind of see it as backward progress. I don't much about it so that's all I can really put into the conversation.

yay! 10 pts for stu! (beautiful attempt to get the conversation back on topic!!) From an emissions standpoint..I think you almost always have to replace your engine with newer equipment.

However...why all the hating in this thread? Who cares who said what? Insulting forum because he corrected you isnt really the best thing to do...he could have gone about it in a more PC way I agree...but he does know quite a lot about engine swaps and honda engine codes. My suggestion to stick with the K series was still what I would recommend if money was NOT an issue..I know they are expensive...but they ARE a better motor...and the aftermarket is developing for them daily. There are already SC's and turbos showing up for them all the time.

Anyway..I'd rather not get involved at this point...I try to avoid getting burned by all the flames!

-Bedlam

b18cya-T

02-10-2003, 12:36 PM

Originally posted by Bedlam
yay! 10 pts for stu! (beautiful attempt to get the conversation back on topic!!) From an emissions standpoint..I think you almost always have to replace your engine with newer equipment.

However...why all the hating in this thread? Who cares who said what? Insulting forum because he corrected you isnt really the best thing to do...he could have gone about it in a more PC way I agree...but he does know quite a lot about engine swaps and honda engine codes. My suggestion to stick with the K series was still what I would recommend if money was NOT an issue..I know they are expensive...but they ARE a better motor...and the aftermarket is developing for them daily. There are already SC's and turbos showing up for them all the time.

Anyway..I'd rather not get involved at this point...I try to avoid getting burned by all the flames!

-Bedlam

be original!!! do what mike says & put in a k-series :D

scoobyworx

02-10-2003, 02:17 PM

that's what i said in the first place was to do a K series and then forum got up on my ass and was basically calling me a fuckin idiot for saying that.

b18cya-T

02-10-2003, 02:50 PM

well, the k-series swap would be more difficult, but definitely not impossible

scoobyworx

02-10-2003, 02:52 PM

yea exactly. :)

andyman97

02-10-2003, 04:06 PM

Honestly, I could give a fuck about emissions. By the time I do this, I'll be back in Louisiana with no emissions testing anyways :). I wish it wouldn't cost me 6 g for that motor because that would be my first choice but I think at this point I may just go with the h22, I just need to spend some more time to learn about this motor.

Mark_H

02-10-2003, 04:29 PM

Ok, I've been out of the civic world for a while now...So a 7th Gen Civic is what year, 2001-up correct? It doesn't share anything with either the new Si, nor with the previous gen Civics correct? So my logic tells me NO swap will bolt in nor be very easy at all correct?
Please correct me if I'm wrong.
Thanks
Mark

forum

02-10-2003, 04:47 PM

Originally posted by 95GSRB18C
that's what i said in the first place was to do a K series and then forum got up on my ass and was basically calling me a fuckin idiot for saying that.

I didn't call you a fuckin idiot for saying do a k series, I called you a fuckin idiot for saying a b series would be a harder swap to do. So anyways. I personally would go with a k-series if money wasn't an issue.

scoobyworx

02-10-2003, 04:58 PM

yea because like i said, at first i thought we were talking about the newest civic si hb and it ended up being that it was a coupe....so like i said, i made a mistake by not knowing what car we were talking about, my bad, but u need to quit talking shit about it....it's over with.

forum

02-10-2003, 05:22 PM

Originally posted by 01ITR#700
Ok, I've been out of the civic world for a while now...So a 7th Gen Civic is what year, 2001-up correct? It doesn't share anything with either the new Si, nor with the previous gen Civics correct? So my logic tells me NO swap will bolt in nor be very easy at all correct?
Please correct me if I'm wrong.
Thanks
Mark

The engine bays between the cars are still quite similar, the engine bay between the 96-00 and 2001+ 2/4 door are quite similar, I think the mounts themselves may be different but they share the d-series sohc motors. The new Si shares the same engine bay as the RSX for the most part.

Mark_H

02-10-2003, 05:26 PM

Originally posted by forum
The engine bays between the cars are still quite similar, the engine bay between the 96-00 and 2001+ 2/4 door are quite similar, I think the mounts themselves may be different but they share the d-series sohc motors. The new Si shares the same engine bay as the RSX for the most part.

Oh ok, thanks. I guess I just remember when the "new" Civic's came out in 2001 that everyone was saying nothing was interchangeable and the motors turned the opposite way or something. I'm still assuming swaps would be a bit of a bitch.
M

Talonstylz

02-11-2003, 01:07 AM

A K-series swap would be sweet. That will probably be a very uncommon swap on the streets due to costs, but a very nice one. And im sure within the next 6 months there will be a shitload of internal upgrades because of the turbo & sc releases.

andyman97

02-11-2003, 07:39 AM

Yeah, I just wish I could afford a brand new k20 but it will be around 6 g for it, yikes. I think I may just find an older civic and do a swap in it later on down the road. I could do a swap and buy the car for less than 6 I'd bet.