The world didn't end

[Martian]

I guess they fired up that partical collider last night. It would seem we didn't die, go figure.

[Brian]

Ahhh, the media. Dumbing down physics since 1892 :D

[Conrad]

well actually they just fired a particle through it... It wont be up to full power for over a year... then the world will end.. lol

[jackmode9316]

Google seems to be pleased.
http://www.google.com/logos/lhc.gif

[sbiggi]

They should make some blackholes... and throw people we dont need in them.

Like lifers in prison, presidents, commies, etc...

[lswhitecivic]

For anyone that needs information on CERN or the LHC, watch this video and all will be revealed.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j50ZssEojtM (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j50ZssEojtM)

[Weston-work]

There's still plenty of time for doomsday talk... they haven't done the big stuff yet.

BTW, Gordon Freeman has been spotted in the test chamber... http://www.shacknews.com/screenshots.x?gallery=10698&game_id=

[chris]

alternate dimensional zombie apocalypse FTW!

[Weston-work]

alternate dimensional zombie apocalypse FTW!

:werd:

Until then, I'll just have to use this card to seduce women... http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/7600/16podborka75bk5.jpg

[nicklk]

Scare tactic fails again.

We were supposed to be all dead or dying on 01.01.00

[Weston-work]

I'm looking forward to the next end of the world, in 2012...

[JL LGT]

So there's still plenty of time to load up on ammunition.... check.

Gonna be on my porch with a strong drink and a few (all of em) weapons when they announce they're going full power. Should be an interesting show.

2012? Ha... is for tourists!

[Foxy]

Anyone who thought that the world was going to end really should read up on what the LHC is actually doing. No serious scientist who knows what they're talking about thought that the world would end, but horror stories like that sure do increase ratings on the news.

[chris]

well, heres a website so you can watch a webcam located at the LHC and prove that the world isnt ending
http://www.cyriak.co.uk/lhc/lhc-webcams.html

[Martian]

rofl...

[JL LGT]

Anyone who thought that the world was going to end really should read up on what the LHC is actually doing. No serious scientist who knows what they're talking about thought that the world would end, but horror stories like that sure do increase ratings on the news.

With this particular venture, I'd say if something went wrong... it'd be a bit more than just a light bulb blowing up.

[jackmode9316]

That kicks ass chris

[Weston-work]

well, heres a website so you can watch a webcam located at the LHC and prove that the world isnt ending
http://www.cyriak.co.uk/lhc/lhc-webcams.html

Black holes totally ruin zombie apocalypses. :(

[Foxy]

With this particular venture, I'd say if something went wrong... it'd be a bit more than just a light bulb blowing up.

Like what? When the two particles collide, they produce about as much energy as a flying mosquito. Earth is bombarded by many, many, many more energetic particles every moment than the LHC is capable of producing. The total energy that the LHC has stored up inside of it at any time is only 2.4 tons of TNT. That's not exactly earth-shattering amounts of energy.

[honda1982]

Maybe by Dec31 2012 they will finally created a blackhole.

[Conrad]

Like what? When the two particles collide, they produce about as much energy as a flying mosquito. Earth is bombarded by many, many, many more energetic particles every moment than the LHC is capable of producing. The total energy that the LHC has stored up inside of it at any time is only 2.4 tons of TNT. That's not exactly earth-shattering amounts of energy.

Not that I care either way...

But why blurt off a bunch of non sence that is fed to you by the media?

1. The smartest guys are always right till they are wrong.
2. They admitted after the fact they werent sure what the atomic bomb would do (destroy all the atmosphere) was one thing they thought "could" happen. Went and did it anyway.
3. If you are a scientist and thats what you care about. And you are pretty certain if you did create a black hole that you and everyone would die. Why would you care?
4. I doubt anyone on HAI has the ability to back anything about this one way or another. Last time I checked no ricers were physists(ms).

I truly dont care what they do with it. It would be cool to learn some shit like speed of light travel or some other neato discovery.

I was just playing devils advocate there.

[john]

Well I for one am relieved that a black hole didn't appear and eat the earth.

[Brian]

I didn't lose any sleep over it./

[Weston-work]

Not that I care either way...

But why blurt off a bunch of non sence that is fed to you by the media?

1. The smartest guys are always right till they are wrong.
2. They admitted after the fact they werent sure what the atomic bomb would do (destroy all the atmosphere) was one thing they thought "could" happen. Went and did it anyway.
3. If you are a scientist and thats what you care about. And you are pretty certain if you did create a black hole that you and everyone would die. Why would you care?
4. I doubt anyone on HAI has the ability to back anything about this one way or another. Last time I checked no ricers were physists(ms).

I truly dont care what they do with it. It would be cool to learn some shit like speed of light travel or some other neato discovery.

I was just playing devils advocate there.


:werd: Even Einstein made mistakes. And if we always limited ourselves to only doing things where we were sure of the outcome, we'd still be living in caves. We have to step into the unknown to make progress.

[Conrad]

Event Horizon FTL lol

[JL LGT]

Like what? When the two particles collide, they produce about as much energy as a flying mosquito. Earth is bombarded by many, many, many more energetic particles every moment than the LHC is capable of producing. The total energy that the LHC has stored up inside of it at any time is only 2.4 tons of TNT. That's not exactly earth-shattering amounts of energy.
I haven't finished reading up on their website but isn't it their goal to re-create the "Big Bang Theory?"

When's the last time somebody measure and or contained something of that nature? At what speed do particles have to be traveling when they collide in order to create a planet or universe? Before you get offensive... I'm asking because I want to know.

I'm not protesting the research.. I'm inquisitive.

[Foxy]

Not that I care either way...

But why blurt off a bunch of non sence that is fed to you by the media?

1. The smartest guys are always right till they are wrong.
2. They admitted after the fact they werent sure what the atomic bomb would do (destroy all the atmosphere) was one thing they thought "could" happen. Went and did it anyway.
3. If you are a scientist and thats what you care about. And you are pretty certain if you did create a black hole that you and everyone would die. Why would you care?
4. I doubt anyone on HAI has the ability to back anything about this one way or another. Last time I checked no ricers were physists(ms).

I truly dont care what they do with it. It would be cool to learn some shit like speed of light travel or some other neato discovery.

I was just playing devils advocate there.

The nonsense that the media is spouting off is that it'll end the world :)

For #2, they absolutely knew for sure that it'd be impossible to ignite the atmosphere on fire. Someone asked the question, they did the math, and found it was impossible. In fact, here's the report they wrote on it:
http://www.fas.org/sgp/othergov/doe/lanl/docs1/00329010.pdf

As for the other stuff, I'm going to trust a bunch of scientists who have done the math, etc, over a bunch of people on the internet saying "OMG teh black holes eat0red meh!"

I haven't finished reading up on their website but isn't it their goal to re-create the "Big Bang Theory?"

When's the last time somebody measure and or contained something of that nature? At what speed do particles have to be traveling when they collide in order to create a planet or universe? Before you get offensive... I'm asking because I want to know.

I'm not protesting the research.. I'm inquisitive.

The LHC's purpose (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Large_Hadron_Collider#Purpose) is to verify some aspects of the Standard Model (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standard_Model). Basically, there's four fundamental forces that we know about - gravity, electromagnetism, and weak and strong interaction. I hope you know about gravity and electromagnetism. Weak and Strong interaction are the forces that hold atoms together. The Standard Model describes how electromagnetism and weak and strong interaction forces interact. It can't quite yet account for gravity. The predecessor to the LHC had created some tantalizingly close evidence for certain things that the scientists need to verify parts of the Standard Model, but the evidence was inconclusive. The LHC should be able to answer things one way or another.

It should also help us see if we can make a Grand Unified Theory (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_unification_theory) that is a step towards building a theory of everything. For instance, the classical physics that you learn in high school that gool ol' Newton developed work on macro scales, but don't work at micro scales. The theory of relativity works on some things, but falls apart at very small scales. They're trying to find a theory that can describe everything without falling apart.

There are a couple dozen (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_accelerators_in_particle_physics) other particle colliders like the LHC around the world, but they all have their particulars that mean they may not be able to answer all of the questions needed. The LHC is the largest one built so far, but it's about 7 times as powerful as the next most powerful. It's not like its orders of magnitude more powerful.

Particles colliding to create planets is fairly well understood. You have a nebula, a large gas cloud in space. Over time (we're talking billions of years here), gas begins to clump together due to gravity. This forms a star. The other material, again due to gravity, begins to fall towards the star. Occasionally, particles hit and stick to each other. As clumps get larger, they get more gravity, and begin to accumulate more particles, slowly growing larger and larger into planets. This is the nebular hypothesis (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nebular_hypothesis).

As far as creating a universe, well, that's the Big Bang (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Bang). I'm not sure if it makes sense to ask how fast they have to be going to create a universe as the theory is that you have so much stuff packed together that it just explodes apart. The really controversial part is what happens right after the explosion - like, .0000000000000000000000000000000000000035 seconds after it happens. Some of what the LHC is doing is aimed at explaining some of this stuff.

Now, I am far, far, far from a physics guy, but this is how I understand it from reading layman-level articles on the subject. You definitely need a 40 pound brain to understand this stuff through and through, and I ain't that smart. It is fun to touch on though.

[myshtern]

I think a lot of this stuff was blown out of proportion by the media but if people knew exactly what was going to happen, this experiment wouldn't be happening.

[Evil_SpeedRacer]

How could you warn anybody about the results of something that has never been seen before? That sounds like a tough one to me. I wouldn't know where to start to try to predict what would happen with this thing when they get it dialed in. I hope they know down there... Creating a universe from under the surface on this planet sounds like the worst idea evAr. I also hope that is bullshiz. Maybe this will lead to an evolution in technology...

[Foxy]

Actually, these types of collisions happen every second out in the solar system, in our atmosphere, etc. The sun is a very powerful particle generator, far more powerful than anything we could hope to create ourselves. Has the solar system been devoured by black holes yet?

The LHC just provides us a convenient way to measure those collisions instead of having to get a huge lab up to space to hopefully catch one of these collisions in just the right conditions to confirm our theories.

Besides, we've collided particles many, many times before. Not in the exact way that will let us confirm the existence of the Higgs particle, but in very similar ways. When the RHIC (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RHIC) (the second most powerful particle accelerator after the LHC) opened up in 2000, there were many of the exact same concerns as with the LHC, including black hole creation. The first particle accelerator was built around WWII, and many more have been built since then. Even the LHC is just basically a new particle accelerator built where an older one used to be.

They aren't really creating universes, unless you are referring to some quantum mechanics (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Many-worlds_interpretation) type deal.

This of it this way. You have a, say, Integra and a, say, LS7 engine that you want to swap into it. No one's ever done it before, but people have done motor swaps before and you're just extending that knowledge a bit. You may not be 100% confident that you will have a 100% functional Integra at the end of it, but you are certain that the Integra isn't going to spontaneously catch on fire and burn your garage down just because you do this. Yes, there are failure paths that could lead to your garage burning down, but you've taken precautions like making sure there's no fuel in the engine, double checking all of the fuel line connections, and having an extinguisher on hand.

[89civicsi]

surprize....surprize...we are still here rofl...we have to wait til 2012 to all die..lol

[myshtern]

This of it this way. You have a, say, Integra and a, say, LS7 engine that you want to swap into it. No one's ever done it before, but people have done motor swaps before and you're just extending that knowledge a bit. You may not be 100% confident that you will have a 100% functional Integra at the end of it, but you are certain that the Integra isn't going to spontaneously catch on fire and burn your garage down just because you do this. Yes, there are failure paths that could lead to your garage burning down, but you've taken precautions like making sure there's no fuel in the engine, double checking all of the fuel line connections, and having an extinguisher on hand.
Kind of, only your integra weighs 58 times more than it did originally and will be traveling at .99 times the speed of light.

[Foxy]

... Not really.

These interactions that the LHC is creating happens all the time around us already. It's merely putting those collisions into a location that we can readily observe, record, and analyze the data.