Why vote Obama??

[Conrad]

Discuss...

[M@]

Seeing as I've never voted before, if my candidate drops out of the presidential race, I have the option to not vote... correct?

[jah]

i dont dont think he has a chance against the bitch so yes... dont vote for him.

[stu]

Of course, if you HAD to vote, then America wouldn't have like 26% voting average every year.

[sbiggi]

Just write me in on your ballot in the primaries.

[Terry]

He's going to get 6,000,000 in one day with his fund raiser. Currently at 5.3 mill

[M@]

I need to run for presidency to raise all that money then peace the fuck out to Puerto Rico or something where the exotic women walk around naked and will be likely to give me fellatio.

[slowfocusguy]

The only reason why I'm voting Obama is because his speech writers are badasses.

[BlueFang08]

Because Hillary has a chance in hell of getting even if she does get the nomination I highly doubt that she would get it, because people hate that woman and don't mind obama. Why i thought it ironic that obama won the south.

[Conrad]

Because Hillary has a chance in hell of getting even if she does get the nomination I highly doubt that she would get it, because people hate that woman and don't mind obama. Why i thought it ironic that obama won the south.

So you dont care what he does... just as long as its not hillary?

[V8SpankR]

Hillary really isn't any better than Bush since she's about big business and would probably just benefit the wealthy more than us regular people.

I do like a younger thinker plus the Bush-Clinton-Bush-Clinton running this country really isn't good.

[Conrad]

Hillary really isn't any better than Bush since she's about big business and would probably just benefit the wealthy more than us regular people.

I do like a younger thinker plus the Bush-Clinton-Bush-Clinton running this country really isn't good.

Soooo you are the same.... just because its not hillary?

I mean really is that a real reason.. "younger thinker?"

[dreadlocks]

I went and saw him speak at DU, He is intelligent and I agree with all his policies..

He only has one term as Senator, he is not part of a political dynasty.. As a result he seems to be the most honest of all the Candidates, he tells the truth as he sees it and not what you want to hear.

The lobbyists in Washington are giving too much power to special interest groups and greedy corporations, he is the only one willing to do anything about it.

I could go on and on but its yer decision to make, I suggest ya hit up Youtube and listen to his speeches.

[Conrad]

I went and saw him speak at DU, He is intelligent and I agree with all his policies..

He only has one term as Senator, he is not part of a political dynasty.. As a result he seems to be the most honest of all the Candidates, he tells the truth as he sees it and not what you want to hear.

The lobbyists in Washington are giving too much power to special interest groups and greedy corporations, he is the only one willing to do anything about it.

I could go on and on but its yer decision to make, I suggest ya hit up Youtube and listen to his speeches.

I have heard his speeches.... but what policies of his do you agree with?

I guess I have been trying to do a lot of research and all I get is... hes not hillary, and he seems honest is pretty popular. But his stances dont seem to help anyone I know yet?

[Conrad]

Oh and "CHANGE" thats a big one... but what damn change?

[dreadlocks]

I do like a younger thinker plus the Regan/Bush-Bush-Clinton-Bush-Clinton running this country really isn't good.

Fixed it for ya, its been since 1981 since we haven't had a Bush or Clinton in the executive office.. Longer than I have been alive.

[Conrad]

Fixed it for ya, its been since 1981 since we haven't had a Bush or Clinton in the executive office.. Longer than I have been alive.

Being that you are less than 27 thats not saying alot....

[nxbrennan]

Yeah, I think that's a very logical reason. We've gotten the same corrupt bullshit out of all the establishment members over the past few years (primarily under Bush's helm), and I think we need someone who is new and is less/unaffected by the culture that so pervades the capitol these days. I may not agree with Obama on all the issues, but he is strongly for strengthening ethics laws, which I think is a fundamental framework we need for our government to operate effectively and efficiently.

whups, dreadlocks kinda beat me

[nxbrennan]

Being that you are less than 27 thats not saying alot....
Actually it is. A country of 300 million people that's supposed to be the land of opportunity, and the power's been tossed back a forth between two families for a generation plus?

[Conrad]

Actually it is. A country of 300 million people that's supposed to be the land of opportunity, and the power's been tossed back a forth between two families for a generation plus?

How many people personally do you know try to get into politics?

There are tons of people who have been in govt for far longer..

Military officers can be in for 40 years... If you have a career do you stop after 4 or 8 years and find something else?

[Conrad]

Yeah, I think that's a very logical reason. We've gotten the same corrupt bullshit out of all the establishment members over the past few years (primarily under Bush's helm), and I think we need someone who is new and is less/unaffected by the culture that so pervades the capitol these days. I may not agree with Obama on all the issues, but he is strongly for strengthening ethics laws, which I think is a fundamental framework we need for our government to operate effectively and efficiently.

whups, dreadlocks kinda beat me

Thats what I dont get... how many people get hired because they "seam" to be good people... Most you look at their history or resume.. Hell even there I can understand those on the Ron Paul trip.. but because he (Obama) hasnt done much in politics.. Shit I havent done anything. I can guarantee you that I will cut spending... I will raise taxes on rich people....

Vote me!

[dreadlocks]

I have heard his speeches.... but what policies of his do you agree with?

I guess I have been trying to do a lot of research and all I get is... hes not hillary, and he seems honest is pretty popular. But his stances dont seem to help anyone I know yet?

He wants to make our education system world class
He wants to decrease outsourcing jobs by increasing taxes for those who do.
He wants to end lobbyist control of DC
He wants to make Health Care affordable for those who want it, but not force people to have it.
He wants to get our enemies to sit down at a table and is willing to talk to them.
He wants to end our dependence on forien Oil and he is the only one I actually believe when he says that.
He wants to give Veterans more benifits and respect in our country

I could go on and on, but its basically his Policies make sense to the working class, and he dosent seem so detached and corporately influenced as all the other candidates.

When Pepsi says Hot chicks flirt with guys at vending machines I dont believe that bullshit it because I trust Pepsi to sell Pepsi, not tell me where hot chicks pickup guys..

I trust politicians in the same way, but Obama is unlike any politician I have ever seen (who has a snow ball's chance in hell of winning), so I am going to go out on a limb and but my trust behind him.. For the first time ever I have hope for our government.. If in the end I am wrong I dont think I could get anywhere near as burnt as those who trusted Bush to make this country better.

[nxbrennan]

How many people personally do you know try to get into politics?

There are tons of people who have been in govt for far longer..

Military officers can be in for 40 years... If you have a career do you stop after 4 or 8 years and find something else?

Of course not...but then again a normal career typically doesn't have term limits.

[stu]

He wants to make our education system world class
He wants to decrease outsourcing jobs by increasing taxes for those who do.
He wants to end lobbyist control of DC
He wants to make Health Care affordable for those who want it, but not force people to have it.
He wants to get our enemies to sit down at a table and is willing to talk to them.
He wants to end our dependence on forien Oil and he is the only one I actually believe when he says that.
He wants to give Veterans more benifits and respect in our country



Are you sure you weren't at a Miss Colorado Pageant?

[meat-market]

Of course not...but then again a normal career typically doesn't have term limits.

yeah and for a normal career you don't spend 60 million or so dollars campaigning for a $400,000.00 a year job..

[DrJones]

He wants to make our education system world class
He wants to decrease outsourcing jobs by increasing taxes for those who do.
He wants to end lobbyist control of DC
He wants to make Health Care affordable for those who want it, but not force people to have it.
He wants to get our enemies to sit down at a table and is willing to talk to them.
He wants to end our dependence on forien Oil and he is the only one I actually believe when he says that.
He wants to give Veterans more benifits and respect in our country


I think the problem most people have with Obama is that they can't figure out exactly what he wants to do, or how he plans to do it. That information just isn't out there.

Frankly, what you have stated is the most concise list of his plans (I'm assuming it's all true).

However, the problem is, how does he plan on doing those things? Other candidates have gone in depth about how they want to accomplish what they want to accomplish. He just has a bunch of ideas no one can really figure out.

The only 'valid' policy I see in that list is "He wants to decrease outsourcing jobs by increasing taxes for those who do" Ok, so he wants to stop outsourcing, by increasing taxes. That is a valid point.

However, he wants to "make our education system world class." Big deal. Everyone in the united states does as well. But how is he going to do that? Other candidates have records that show how they have voted on issues relating to that, or programs the put into effect that help that. He doesn't really have either.

He wants to make health care affordable? Come on. Doesn't everyone?

This is the problem people have with Obama.

We have little information on real things obama has done or accomplished. We have plenty on other candidates. Though, it is worth mentioning that many of them have changed positions over the years.

Really, when it comes down to 'trust' in a way that doesn't mean which candidate do I 'trust' will do the best job, but which candidate do I have the most trust in knowing what they will do, I have to go with Ron Paul. He has a record going waaaaaaaaay back that is very very very consistent the whole way through. There is no question of knowing exactly what his plans are and what he wants to accomplish. Obama is kind of the opposite of that.

Though, I will say, when it comes to incredibly obvious and general statements like "he wants to end our dependence on forien Oil" without knowing anything else, I still trust him over Hillary.

[Weston]

Oh and "CHANGE" thats a big one... but what damn change?

"If voting changed anything, it would be illegal"

[myshtern]

Everything I've heard about Obama makes me think he is a populist

[myshtern]

The only 'valid' policy I see in that list is "He wants to decrease outsourcing jobs by increasing taxes for those who do" Ok, so he wants to stop outsourcing, by increasing taxes. That is a valid point.
I havent really thought much positive or negative about him. I thought he was well educated and young. But if this is true, I can truly say he is a schmuck.

[meat-market]

yeah but he only wants to increase taxes to those who make over 250,000.00 a year..

[V8SpankR]

Yes,tax the rich who can afford it.

[DrJones]

Yes,tax the rich who can afford it.

Suppose that every day, ten men go out for beer and the bill for all ten comes to $100. If they paid their bill the way we pay our taxes, it would go something like this:

The first four men (the poorest) would pay nothing.
The fifth would pay $1.
The sixth would pay $3.
The seventh would pay $7.
The eighth would pay $12.
The ninth would pay $18.
The tenth man (the richest) would pay $59.

So, that's what they decided to do.

The ten men drank in the bar every day and seemed quite happy with the arrangement, until one day, the owner threw them a curve. "Since you are all such good customers," he said, "I'm going to reduce the cost of your daily beer by $20." Drinks for the ten now cost just $80.

The group still wanted to pay their bill the way we pay our taxes so the first four men were unaffected. They would still drink for free. But what about the other six men - the paying customers? How could they divide the $20 windfall so that everyone would get his 'fair share?' They realized that $20 divided by six is $3.33. But if they subtracted that from everybody's share, then the fifth man and the sixth man would each end up being paid to drink his beer. So, the bar owner suggested that it would be fair to reduce each man's bill by roughly the same amount, and he proceeded to work out the amounts each should pay.

And so:

The fifth man, like the first four, now paid nothing (100% savings).
The sixth now paid $2 instead of $3 (33%savings).
The seventh now pay $5 instead of $7 (28%savings).
The eighth now paid $9 instead of $12 (25% savings).
The ninth now paid $14 instead of $18 (22% savings).
The tenth now paid $49 instead of $59 (16% savings).

Each of the six was better off than before. And the first four continued to drink for free. But once outside the restaurant, the men began to compare their savings. "I only got a dollar out of the $20,"declared the sixth man. He pointed to the tenth man," but he got $10!" "Yeah, that's right," exclaimed the fifth man. "I only saved a dollar too It's unfair that he got ten times more than I!" "That's true!!" shouted the seventh man. "Why should he get $10 back when I got only two? The wealthy get all the breaks!" "Wait a minute," yelled the first four men in unison. "We didn't get anything at all. The system exploits the poor!"

The nine men surrounded the tenth and beat him up.

The next night the tenth man didn't show up for drinks, so the nine sat down and had beers without him. But when it came time to pay the bill, they discovered something important. They didn't have enough money between all of them for even half of the bill!

And that, ladies and gentlemen, journalists and college professors, is how our tax system works. The people who pay the highest taxes get the most benefit from a tax reduction. Tax them too much, attack them for being wealthy, and they just may not show up anymore. In fact, they might start drinking overseas where the atmosphere is somewhat friendlier.

David R. Kamerschen, Ph.D.
Professor of Economics University of Georgia

For those who understand, no explanation is needed.
For those who do not understand, no explanation is possible.

[Conrad]

I was looking for that the other day.

[303Mike]

Why Obama?
I think if nothing else he is a good candidate because he is young. A person who is not caught up in political hooplah. He is for change not putting more change in his pockets or friends pockets. Politicians are money driven rich assholes who care more about themselves and their wallet than the good of the county. I think he may not be the perfect choice but there never is a perfect choice.

The amount of intrest in this election is higher than ever before and for reasons that I feel are going to effect future change in the US for the better. This election is going to be WORLD history which I personally want to be a part of. Wheather Dem. or Rep. the polls will be full of young generation Xers that have never felt the want or need to vote for a President.

The possibility of the first African American or Women President is reason enough for me to actually give a shit about it this go around. I think America needs a new way of thinking and new young blood for change to happen. (for the better) This country is becoming more and more corrupt by the minute. I think Obama has a brass tax, down to biz train of thought and that alone will help the progression of change. We are the strongest country in the world, yet we as a people cant seem to take our heads out of our asses to figure out whats best for us as a whole.

Think about progression in a sport like Super Pipe and see how the young pro's have made the sport what it is today. Without kids like Shawn White, Danny Kass and others the sport would never have made it to the World spotlight in the Olypics. We all would still be knucle dragging punk kids. The X-games sports are now and always will be athletic feats.

That being said, putting a young, new, fresh face (such as Obama) in the white house is along the same line in the BIG picture. For ONE man to change everything is asking to much but maybe he will be able to start the progression of change that this country needs to be better...

NOTE: I love America so don't even think about talking shit but everything has problems. I seem to point them out before I show my love.

[jackmode9316]

The lobbyists in Washington are giving too much power to special interest groups and greedy corporations, he is the only one willing to do anything about it.

This is something I admire. We all know lobbyists are just means to legally bribe them anyways.

Why Obama?

I think if nothing else he is a good candidate because he is young. A person who is not caught up in political hooplah. He is for change not putting more change in his pockets or friends pockets. Politicians are money driven rich assholes who care more about themselves and their wallet than the good of the county. I think he may not be the perfect choice but there never is a perfect choice.



The amount of intrest in this election is higher than ever before and for reasons that I feel are going to effect future change in the US for the better. This election is going to be WORLD history which I personally want to be a part of. Wheather Dem. or Rep. the polls will be full of young generation Xers that have never felt the want or need to vote for a President.



The possibility of the first African American or Women President is reason enough for me to actually give a shit about it this go around. I think America needs a new way of thinking and new young blood for change to happen. (for the better) This country is becoming more and more corrupt by the minute. I think Obama has a brass tax, down to biz train of thought and that alone will help the progression of change. We are the strongest country in the world, yet we as a people cant seem to take our heads out of our asses to figure out whats best for us as a whole.



Think about progression in a sport like Super Pipe and see how the young pro's have made the sport what it is today. Without kids like Shawn White, Danny Kass and others the sport would never have made it to the World spotlight in the Olypics. We all would still be knucle dragging punk kids. The X-games sports are now and always will be athletic feats.



That being said, putting a young, new, fresh face (such as Obama) in the white house is along the same line in the BIG picture. For ONE man to change everything is asking to much but maybe he will be able to start the progression of change that this country needs to be better...



NOTE: I love America so don't even think about talking shit but everything has problems. I seem to point them out before I show my love.

Well said Mike.

[Conrad]

yet we as a people cant seem to take our heads out of our asses to figure out whats best for us as a whole.


There is no whole... let "ME" figure out whats best for me, you do the same for yourself. I dont need a politian telling me how to live life.

Thats my problem with Dems....

[dreadlocks]

Stop a silly war costing trillions and raise taxes for the rich and corporations.. Seems like a sure way to raise alot of money to fund education, healthcare and similar things..

You guys say he has no track record to go off of, I think thats a good thing.. Lincoln was from Illinois, was an honest average man with no polotical track record.. He proved to be one of our greatest leaders.. So it is possible and actually very likely that someone with less political experience will perform better in the white house..

another thing I like is ive heard Billary remind us many times that she is a woman running for president.. Ive never heard Obama remind me he is black, the only time I have heard him refer race is when he said its time to shed race/sex/religion/political orientation and unite to better the country..

[Conrad]

Stop a silly war costing trillions and raise taxes for the rich and corporations.. Seems like a sure way to raise alot of money to fund education, healthcare and similar things..

You guys say he has no track record to go off of, I think thats a good thing.. Lincoln was from Illinois, was an honest average man with no polotical track record.. He proved to be one of our greatest leaders.. So it is possible and actually very likely that someone with less political experience will perform better in the white house..

another thing I like is ive heard Billary remind us many times that she is a woman running for president.. Ive never heard Obama remind me he is black, the only time I have heard him refer race is when he said its time to shed race/sex/religion/political orientation and unite to better the country..

So you think cut and run from the war that your elected leaders voted for... not worrying about the consequences of pulling out... or the sacrifice already made in the mission there? Nevermind thats another topic.

Eitherway... we dont save like a ton of money for other programs by pulling out of iraq. Because we are going into debt paying for it.

[stu]

This thread makes me depressed. Are you guys serious?

We're talking about voting for a president here, not American Idol. I haven't seen a single thing in this thread, about Obama, that is anything more than a sugar coated opinion. I appreciate the enthusiasm, but come on.

[SpeedStar91]

Harvard>Yale Hahaha

[DrJones]

The possibility of the first African American or Women President is reason enough for me to actually give a shit about it this go around.

I really really hate this argument and people who are making it.

So, you are going to vote this election because of the posibility of making the first Africian American or Woman president?

So one of the primary reasons you are voting for them is simply for superficial reasons.

You aren't excited to vote because you want to make sure our economy does well, or end the war, or a plethora of other reasons. You are excited to vote because it could be the first black or woman president?

Are people who are voting for them because of this really any worse than those who aren't?.

For me, it has no factor what so ever. I would be more than fine with 500 years of rich, old, white men being the next presidents. I don't think we have to elect someone to be the leader of the free world just because we need to show we aren't racist or sexist. It should be the best person for the job, based on how well the do the job. End of story.

[DrJones]

There is no whole... let "ME" figure out whats best for me, you do the same for yourself. I dont need a politian telling me how to live life.

Thats my problem with Dems....

Really good quote (I don't know the original source).

Democrats want to be your mother.

Republicans want to be your father.

Libertarians want to treat you like an adult.


I couldn't agree with that more. I don't need dems to force me into a health care program. I don't need republicans to tell me what I can and can't do with my life. I can make my own decisions, and take responsibility for my own actions.

Both dems and republicans have one very big thing in common. They are both for having the government play a bigger role in your life. With Dems, it's things like health care and retirement. With Republicans it's social issues.

We shouldn't give handouts to individuals or to corporations. We also shouldn't tell others what to do morally when there isn't an obvious and overwhelming reason.

This path has ruined America. People need to take responsibility for themselves and their actions. Dems have increased the governments involvements in our lives, and republicans have done the same. It's just gotten bigger and bigger and bigger.

It doesn't need to be. Government should be a fraction of the size it is now.

/rant

[nicklk]

RON PAUL 2008.

The thing with Obama that I have enjoyed, especially with listening to him speak is that he gets me motivated. Gets me motivated to get out and vote, gets me motivated to be active in the whole presidency run this time around. This is going to be my 3rd time around to vote, and I havent ever really had an interest in voting before mainly because I thought all the canidates were boring, and didnt really want me to get out and participate.....its something that Obama does.

Maybe thats why we had a record turnout in the caucuses this year in Colorado?

The most sour thing I have in my mouth with Hilary is how much Bill is being part of her campaign. He is doing as much, or more of the campaign for her then she is doing....meaning it would be more of a bi-presidency which really isnt a good thing.

[john]

Why vote Obama? I honestly don't know...

[nicklk]

Why vote Obama? I honestly don't know...

Why vote for Hillary? Why vote for McCain?!?!?!!

[nicklk]

I really really hate this argument and people who are making it.

So, you are going to vote this election because of the posibility of making the first Africian American or Woman president?


You are living under a BIG freakin rock if you honestly think that the race or sex has nothing to do with the interest in this upcoming election.

[Conrad]

Why vote for Hillary? Why vote for McCain?!?!?!!

Because I know exactly what they are going to do and not do....

[john]

All valid questions.

Why vote for Hillary? Why vote for McCain?!?!?!!

[Conrad]

You are living under a BIG freakin rock if you honestly think that the race or sex has nothing to do with the interest in this upcoming election.

Wat?

I mean really who cares who or what they are.... what do they stand for is my only concern. Race and sex are only big to those who want to MAKE a big deal out of nothing.

[nicklk]

Because I know exactly what they are going to do and not do....


http://youtube.com/watch?v=4FswauQk_po

3:45 mark, guy shares my exact thoughts.

So you know exactly what they will do and wont do, because they say it on a debate, or a speech? Yet we have a 33% approval rating with a guy thats been elected twice because we felt that we knew, he was going to do what he said he was going to do.

[stu]

You are living under a BIG freakin rock if you honestly think that the race or sex has nothing to do with the interest in this upcoming election.

He knows it does, we all do, and that is what is depressing. His point is that it shouldn't have anything to do with this, or any other election.

If race or sex were important factors, then the struggling women's movement and every other struggling minority movement would have hired a white man to run it for them years ago.

[nicklk]

Wat?

I mean really who cares who or what they are.... what do they stand for is my only concern. Race and sex are only big to those who want to MAKE a big deal out of nothing.

CNN had a lil show the other day, that had interviewed like 5-7 people......and they had this lady that was like 72 or something, that had never voted in her life. Never registered, for the reason she thought her vote meant nothing. Since Hillary started to run, she has become active with the whole politics thing, going out and registering, and she caucused......mainly to the fact that its a woman representing "her".

There are alot of people out there that share the same thoughts.

[Conrad]

CNN had a lil show the other day, that had interviewed like 5-7 people......and they had this lady that was like 72 or something, that had never voted in her life. Never registered, for the reason she thought her vote meant nothing. Since Hillary started to run, she has become active with the whole politics thing, going out and registering, and she caucused......mainly to the fact that its a woman representing "her".

There are alot of people out there that share the same thoughts.


Might be but thats retarded... Britney Spears is a woman... maybe she should have ran for office.

[Conrad]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=4FswauQk_po

3:45 mark, guy shares my exact thoughts.

So you know exactly what they will do and wont do, because they say it on a debate, or a speech? Yet we have a 33% approval rating with a guy thats been elected twice because we felt that we knew, he was going to do what he said he was going to do.

Bush hasnt done anything unexpected in my book.. Approval rating is just that... Approval of performance as pres... I think he has done a shitty job as prez... but the ideas and what he is trying to accomplish is inline with what he ran for.

The war in iraq was at one point very popular... Hince the reason it was VOTED on and went forward. But with todays nintendo generation they cant see something through to the end.

[nicklk]

I like this saying "Obama is down to earth... He admits he is human, "we will make mistakes, it will not be quick, and will not be resolved all at once" Clinton states: I Am the PERFECT president, I will resolved issues quick and painless. No such thing. No one is perfect, nothing that 8 years has destroyed can be rebuilt "quick and painless" Obama speaks to humans, Hilary to perfectionists. I am not perfect, and i support obama for admitting he is not either."

[stu]

Obama has a great way to connect with the people. Everyone likes someone who can express how human they are. Now all he needs to do is show that he is capable of leadership. Right now he's showing that he's capable of being a great talk show host.

[jackmode9316]

Kennedy was a really good people person too. Just a thought.

[MrsGhandi]

From a female perspective, I would never vote for a woman because she's a woman.

And as far as I'm concerned, she's already had her 4 years in the oval office. If you don't think her policies & opinions weren't going thru when Bill was prez then you truly are living under a rock. I'll pass on ol' Hill.

[jackmode9316]

From a female perspective, I would never vote for a woman because she's a woman.

And as far as I'm concerned, she's already had her 4 years in the oval office. If you don't think her policies & opinions weren't going thru when Bill was prez then you truly are living under a rock. I'll pass on ol' Hill.
Doesn't she come from a "Old money" family? In Chicago I believe.

[303Mike]

Doesn't she come from a "Old money" family? In Chicago I believe.

New York but yeah. It's all the same. Old money, shady priorities!

[jackmode9316]

New York but yeah. It's all the same. Old money, shady priorities!
Ahh yes the bourgeoise and their neverending quest for power and control.

[nicklk]

Doesn't she come from a "Old money" family? In Chicago I believe.


She "loaned" her campaign 5 million dollars last month to compete with Obama LOL

[meat-market]

From a female perspective, I would never vote for a woman because she's a woman.

And as far as I'm concerned, she's already had her 4 years in the oval office. If you don't think her policies & opinions weren't going thru when Bill was prez then you truly are living under a rock. I'll pass on ol' Hill.

yeah she was pushing for health care when slick Wwillie was in office, that is until big money (health care providers) stepped in and shut her up..

[jackmode9316]

She "loaned" her campaign 5 million dollars last month to compete with Obama LOL
WTF? Damn rich people!

[Loud_Scott]

Why vote at all?? Can anyone on this site besides dr jones and maybe cornrad or a ghandi tell me how the last president effected their life at all??

Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

it doesn't matter to most of us who is president.... we'll make fun of and hate the next one just like we did this one and the last one.... According to "sources" the economic effects we have today are from 20 years ago (reganish) and not the doing of the new guys... so, really?? do we care????

[Terry]

Pedro offers his protection.

[jah]

obama represent real quality
clinton(s) did well in the 90's tho.

[HondasTrail]

obama represent real quality
clinton(s) did well in the 90's tho.
So tell me what Clinton did that was so good...
Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't Obama refuse to pledge allegiance to the American flag?

[myshtern]

So tell me what Clinton did that was so good...
Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't Obama refuse to pledge allegiance to the American flag?
Youre wrong.

[myshtern]

Why vote at all?? Can anyone on this site besides dr jones and maybe cornrad or a ghandi tell me how the last president effected their life at all??

Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

it doesn't matter to most of us who is president.... we'll make fun of and hate the next one just like we did this one and the last one.... According to "sources" the economic effects we have today are from 20 years ago (reganish) and not the doing of the new guys... so, really?? do we care????
Just because people dont know how different presidents affect their lives, does not mean those presidents havent afftect them in advrse ways.

[HondasTrail]

Youre wrong.
Fair enough.

[Street_Kings]

Why vote at all?? Can anyone on this site besides dr jones and maybe cornrad or a ghandi tell me how the last president effected their life at all??

Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

it doesn't matter to most of us who is president.... we'll make fun of and hate the next one just like we did this one and the last one.... According to "sources" the economic effects we have today are from 20 years ago (reganish) and not the doing of the new guys... so, really?? do we care????

The no child left behind provision stating that military recruiters have access to kid's names/addresses/phone numbers for recruitment purposes is one. Kyoto is another that comes to mind, as does my friends going to iraq. The wiretapping freeforall as well. etc etc.

because YOU don't pay attention to what the president is doing and how it effects you, does not mean the rest of America has the same head in the sand view. Though due to the demographic of this board i'd agree that far less people on HAI pay attention to politics than in the general public. and absolutely, we care, and we really, really should. Caring who runs your country and exercising the ability of being able to effect who is in office next is the difference between democracy and tyranny.

anyway, back to the original question, it's clear the republican ticket is going to mccain, and the dem ticket is up in the air between obama and clinton...The lesser of two evils (obama) won my vote.

EDIT: Damnit is it just my replies that discard all linebreaks/new lines when you hit return and just post a single block of text unless you use BR /?