240sx, 180sx????? im lost

[b18cya-T]

whats the difference between these two 240sx's

http://www.240sxforums.com/forums/attachment.php?

http://jrock.50megs.com/images/dscf0142.jpg

and this one

http://images.cardomain.com/installs/208000-208999/208961_13_full.jpg

the rear ends are totally different, but they are they same generation ( i think)

can someone explain it to me?


EDIT: i changed the secong pic for more clarity

[1998cc]

The 180sx was the fastback version of the 240sx sold in japan. It had the sr20det not the ka24de. The second picture is of the 240sx coupe. It is the same just coupe. It is sold in the us. They are the same generation. In japan they are the 180sx and the silvia. Consider it an option coupe or fastback.

[b18cya-T]

oooh, i see. a hatch & a coupe version. cool

personally i think the coupe is FUGLY!!!

[exciv2000]

I personally don't like either one of those. This is the body style I like, the S14 is it?

http://home.attbi.com/~00civic/240sx.jpg

[b18cya-T]

i like that body style too, but the shape of the rear trunk lid & back glass just looks too wierd. besides, i'd rather save the money for a sr20det or rb24det motor

[b18cya-T]

if i found a good deal i'd still jump on it tho :)

http://images.cardomain.com/installs/229000-229999/229673_17_full.jpg

http://images.cardomain.com/installs/229000-229999/229673_9_full.jpg

[exciv2000]

God that's a beautiful car.... The only 240SX body style I personally drool over. What are the model years for that body style??? I know 95 is one of the years. And they are not turboed from the factory?!?!

[b18cya-T]

Originally posted by exciv2000
God that's a beautiful car.... The only 240SX body style I personally drool over. What are the model years for that body style??? I know 95 is one of the years. And they are not turboed from the factory?!?!

that body style is the s-14 (95-98)
in 97 they refreshed the front end & it looks better.

the stock usdm 240's came w/ the ka20??? non turbo motor

[exciv2000]

Show me a 97 front end vs. a 95 front end which has already been posted.

[b18cya-T]

heres teh 97 & 98 usdm front end

http://images.cardomain.com/installs/194000-194999/194060_20_full.jpg

[b18cya-T]

http://images.cardomain.com/installs/194000-194999/194060_12_full.jpg

[exciv2000]

not bad, I'd take either one, I do however like the 95-96 front ends just a TAD bit more tho for some reason... I like rounded shapes, like asses and womens' curves... Angular may be meaner, but rounded is more sleeper and luxurious IMO.

[b18cya-T]

i agree, the front end on that black one looks very good, however, it is the exception. usually that front end looks like ass!!

[exciv2000]

I looked here: http://www.cars.com/

There aren't very many 5 spds, most are AT. Prices and miles are decent... hmm.

[b18cya-T]

if i got an s-14, id get a 95-96 & do the s-15 "evil eye" conversion

http://images.cardomain.com/installs/233000-233999/233029_12_full.jpg

after the turbo motor is in of course!

[w00dr0w]

one has a ;gay; wing and the other doesn't. :gapteeth:

[b18cya-T]

heres that s-15 front end again. damn that looks amazing! (minus the graphics of course, but that bomex kit looks sick!!)

[Maverick]

If I do end up getting a 240 I will get a 95 because it will still be OBD1, it will be cheaper in both cost and insurance.........then I will swap in an sr20det or if I learn more about the rb25dett I might go with that and then get an s15 front end.

[b18cya-T]

Originally posted by 94hatch
If I do end up getting a 240 I will get a 95 because it will still be OBD1, it will be cheaper in both cost and insurance.........then I will swap in an sr20det or if I learn more about the rb25dett I might go with that and then get an s15 front end.

i agree. plus, i think the 97-98 looks good enough that it'd be a waste to change it over to an s-15

[forum]

its rb26dett people :p i think a 240 would be a lot of fun but since i can only afford one car i'll stick to fwd cuz of snow :(

[b18cya-T]

Originally posted by forum
its rb26dett people :p i think a 240 would be a lot of fun but since i can only afford one car i'll stick to fwd cuz of snow :(

how much is a rb26dett?? i cant find any sites that sell them

[exciv2000]

Let's just get a price for all the nissan engine swaps, turbo and non :)

[b18cya-T]

dont even bother with a non-turbo swap...thatd be such a waste

[exciv2000]

Originally posted by Obi Wan B18cya
if i got an s-14, id get a 95-96 & do the s-15 "evil eye" conversion

http://images.cardomain.com/installs/233000-233999/233029_12_full.jpg

after the turbo motor is in of course!

It almost looks like mustangs are taking styling cues from this... see the similarities?

[b18cya-T]

Originally posted by exciv2000
It almost looks like mustangs are taking styling cues from this... see the similarities?

i can kinda see that, haha...but the silvia 0wnerages rustangs!

[b18cya-T]

this is what i mean when i say the 95-96 front end looks like ass

if the headlights werent so cloudy it'd be better, but uuugh, i just dont like it

[exciv2000]

Originally posted by Obi Wan B18cya
this is what i mean when i say the 95-96 front end looks like ass

if the headlights werent so cloudy it'd be better, but uuugh, i just dont like it

I think it looks great that way, personally. That's why I said :
I do however like the 95-96 front ends just a TAD bit more tho for some reason... I like rounded shapes, like asses and womens' curves... Angular may be meaner, but rounded is more sleeper and luxurious IMO. The stock look you posted could use a front bumper/body kit, but I do like it just the way it looks right now.... It would be nicer to get some clear headlights tho, I'm not into the clouded look either.

[turboholic]

I saw this s15 engine on ebay. It says you can buy it now for 6200. It does come with everything you could want and need for the swap. But thats still loot.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1871014342

[1998cc]

Let me straighten you guys out on Nissan engines. There is no rb24det or a rb25dett. It is a rb25det from a skyline gt-s. RB26DETT are 6000 just for the engine. If you wanted to this swap you might as well get an old z since they bolt right in. The going rate on a s-13 sr20det swap is about 5 grand if you do it right. A cheaper option is to go with the ca18det. These cost around 1800 for the engine. NO usdm 240sx's came from the factory turbocharged. They came with the 2.4l 4-cylinder engine in every single year. These cars are also not the best drag racers. 240's are made to turn if you have driven one you'll know. Here is a pic of the 95-96 s-14(zenki) headlights. These are glass euro style.

[1998cc]

If I did an s-15 conversion to my s-13 I would use the West Yokohama kit seen here: or a sileighty.

[turboholic]

1998cc, can i ask where you work to make enough money to afford that conversion. Im very jealous.

[1998cc]

sileighty my other option

[1998cc]

that ain't my car. go to www.boostfactor.com my car right now is a clean stock s13 hatchback. 11 years old and still outhandles new cars.

[exciv2000]

Originally posted by 1998cc
Let me straighten you guys out on Nissan engines. There is no rb24det or a rb25dett. It is a rb25det from a skyline gt-s. RB26DETT are 6000 just for the engine. If you wanted to this swap you might as well get an old z since they bolt right in. The going rate on a s-13 sr20det swap is about 5 grand if you do it right. A cheaper option is to go with the ca18det. These cost around 1800 for the engine. NO usdm 240sx's came from the factory turbocharged. They came with the 2.4l 4-cylinder engine in every single year. These cars are also not the best drag racers. 240's are made to turn if you have driven one you'll know. Here is a pic of the 95-96 s-14(zenki) headlights. These are glass euro style.

Now that's a beautiful car. I like the euro clear headlights. Also, the S14s 95-96 kinda sorta look like camry's in the front. Anyways, it's good to know what the prices are, but you only listed a Sp-13 sr20det swap price. What about an S-14 sr20det swap? I'm sure they put sr20det's in 240SXs in other countries, no?

[turboholic]

i have an 89 hatch and i cant decide which conversion i want to do either. The s13 conversion is cool if you get an aftermarket front bumper. But i love the s15 look even though its 2500.

[b18cya-T]

5g's for just an s-13 motor??

[turboholic]

is that a mitsubishi fto in the background of the sileighty pic?

[exciv2000]

Originally posted by turboholic
is that a mitsubishi fto in the background of the sileighty pic?

"beat: :smashfrea Dude, that's a SUPRA!! :)

[1998cc]

Most people swap in a s-13 blacktop into s-14s. One they have a high flow head and two they don't have VTC (Nissan VTEC). The cost is about the same for either swap, except the wiring is a bitch for a s14. In every country outside North America they got sr20det engines. Here are a few sites for engines and swaps: www.srswap.com www.unstable-hybrids.com www.jspec.com The cost of sr motors keeps inflating a lot due to the increased interest in them so look out.

[b18cya-T]

i got this on www.boostfactor.com


SR20DET Swaps

Red-Top S13 SR20DET 180SX 91-93 and Silvia 91-93
$3800 Average Miles 30k-45k miles

Black-Top S13 SR20DET 180SX 94-98
$4000 Average Miles 30k-40k miles

Performance: The stock turbo is good up to 1 Bar - 15 psi. The engine should produce 240ish RWHP at this boost.



Black-Top S14 SR20DET Silvia 95-98
$4600 5 Speed Average Miles 18k-30k miles

Performance: The stock turbo is good up to 1 Bar - 15 psi. The engine should produce 255ish RWHP at this boost.




Black-Top S15 SR20DET Silvia 99-Current
$5800 6 Speed Average Miles 8k-25k miles

Performance: The stock turbo is good up to 1.2 Bar - 18 psi. The engine should produce close to 300 RWHP at this boost.

[1998cc]

the 5g's is for neccesary upgrades FMIC, Downpipe, Clutch, Fuel Pump and miscellaneous costs (It adds up quick). The engine alone is 2,400. No way you will get a s-15 conversion for 2500 it is more like 3000 plus installiation. Go with the s13 sonversion only 800 bux and bolts right in.

[turboholic]

I dont know anyone who has bought an engine from here but there prices are cheap. Im interested in the rb20 with everything for 500 dollars. But rb25det for 1800, thats cheap, especially being out of a 94-97 skyline. Im sure you will spend alot of money
to get it installed and running.

http://www.venus-auto.com/special.htm

[1998cc]

There is no real advantage by swaping in a rb20det rather than a sr. People are makin 400hp with only turbos and injectors with these engines. it will cost atleast 2g's to get an rb to run. The price is a same as an sr. The rb is also 13 years old.

[turboholic]

one advantage would be its 6 cylinders compared to 4 so you will have more torque. Also if it blows up and you have to buy another engine its only 5bills compared to a sr which is probably a minimum of 1500

[1998cc]

It has the same literage so the troque is damn near similar. Parts for the rb20 are hard to come by, so hope it doesn't break. The only people who do this swap are drifters. If you want to put the engine in go ahead it has been done Click (http://www.unstable-hybrids.com) click on projects.

[turboholic]

500 dollars just seemed cheap, but in the long run any swap is gonna cost thousands of dollars.

[1998cc]

A ca18det swap is possible too. You can get a complete swap for 3g's and find any replacement parts(timing belts, valves, etc.) in the US.

[turboholic]

What do you think a t3 would be like on a stock sohc 240sx

[1998cc]

A straight up T3 is a good turbo below 10psi, it also depends on which trim you get. Those engines can handle only 7psi on stock internals. You could always swap in a DOHC for 5bills and turbo it. At about 7 psi on a SOHC you get about 200 to the wheels. I would personaly get a sr or a ca.

[turboholic]

I have T4 turbo from my last car do you think thats too big for the ka?

[1998cc]

I need to know your setup like pistons, injectors, turbo trims, in order for me to judge it. I personally think a t4 is too big for a stock set up. Just start PMing me your questions.

[turboholic]

can you tell me where i can get the dohc for 5bills and did u get my pm?

[1998cc]

yes, I got it. Most people who do swaps practically give those engines away. check www.240sx.org or www.freshalloy.com

[Violator]

Damn, now I'm kinda doubting Honda with the potential the 240sx has. Plus the 240's look sweet stock

[95GSRB18C]

i wouldnt mind having a 240sx. Even though i would immediatley drop in a SR20Dett motor. :D

[Violator]

I dont think theres a SR20DETT...

[1998cc]

Violator is right there is no SR20DETT from the factory. I have seen twin-turbo silvia's from japan.

[95GSRB18C]

OK sorry for the mistake...... i typed in one too many T's. :rolleyes:

[turboholic]

Anybody in springs have mods done to their 240sx. I have seen a couple 95+ 240s with bodykits.

[1998cc]

I have seen only about 3 s14's with mods. I saw them at bandi so I don't know if they're in the springs.

[b18cya-T]

i found a project car if anyone is interested

http://www.autotrader.com/findacar/vdetail.jtmpl?car_id=115031065&dealer_id=1362858&make=NISSAN&distance=100&max_price=&model=240SX&advcd_on=n&end_year=2003&min_price=&certified=n&address=80030&search_type=used&advanced=n&start_year=1988&color=&car_year=1990

[Kitty]

Originally posted by turboholic
Anybody in springs have mods done to their 240sx. I have seen a couple 95+ 240s with bodykits. I was trying to help a friend sell this one a little while ago. Minor mods. This one was in the Springs. Think the new owner is here too.

http://community.webshots.com/album/46084600BxIqJp

<3 Kitty

[Kitty]

Originally posted by Kitty
I was trying to help a friend sell this one a little while ago. Minor mods. This one was in the Springs. Think the new owner is here too.

http://community.webshots.com/album/46084600BxIqJp

<3 Kitty Sorry, should list the mods:
Greddy cat back, headers, exhaust, intake, GAB Stroke Kit II, 4 way adjustable front and 8 way adjustable back, TSW rims, Yokohama tires (215/45/17), NOS wet direct port 80 shot Nice setup.

<3 Kitty