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w00dr0w
10-14-2002, 03:30 PM
My roomate wants to put a new/used/different motor in his 87 Integra. I told him he should just finance a new car but like many of us, he does not have the fundage. He does however have the funds to purchase a motor. Where is the best place to look for one and what options does he have for upgrading? All help is greatly appreciated. Thanks.
95GSRB18C
10-14-2002, 03:39 PM
I think you can swap in any B series motor...not positive tho. If i were him...for the money he could get a nice B16 for under $2k. How much money does he have to spend? That guy Japdomestix on the boards has some pretty cheap prices...i guess you could check him out @ www.japdomestix.com
Mark_H
10-15-2002, 10:27 AM
I think '87 Integra's actually have 1.6L DOHC D series motors in them don't they? Just like the japanese DOHC ZC, but with a black valve cover I believe.
Not 100% sure though. If I'm right then he can bolt on a Greddy D series turbo kit, good cheap fun:)
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b18cya-T
10-15-2002, 10:52 AM
i thought all USDM 1st gen integras had zc motors?
greddy1.6
10-15-2002, 10:59 AM
Im not exactly sure which motor they came with could they have come with the b17 1.7DOHC non vtec like the like the 90-92's came with. but if it is the 1.6l and if the d16 turbo kits fit on it thats a nice cheap fun way to go i picked up my greddy kit for my d16 and a pretty reasonable price and the performance results are nice for the setup.
Mark_H
10-15-2002, 11:00 AM
All ZC's are D Series motors. For example a Header off of a SOHC D series motor would swap onto a ZC (generally).
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b18cya-T
10-15-2002, 11:02 AM
Originally posted by 01ITR#700
All ZC's are D Series motors. For example a Header off of a SOHC D series motor would swap onto a ZC (generally).
M

so any b-series motor should swap right in. a b18a or b18b would bee a good, cheap swap. & easily boostable
Mark_H
10-15-2002, 11:05 AM
Originally posted by Obi Wan B18cya


so any b-series motor should swap right in. a b18a or b18b would bee a good, cheap swap. & easily boostable

Huh? I'm no swap junkie or anything but D and B series motor and tranny mounts are totally different, so what makes a B Series swap easy?

BTW Titus, what do you do all day? I do tech support so thats why I'm lucky to surf HAI and H-T all day long:)
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b18cya-T
10-15-2002, 11:14 AM
Originally posted by 01ITR#700


Huh? I'm no swap junkie or anything but D and B series motor and tranny mounts are totally different, so what makes a B Series swap easy?

BTW Titus, what do you do all day? I do tech support so thats why I'm lucky to surf HAI and H-T all day long:)
M


(typically) no fabrication is required to replace a d-series motor with a b-series motor. The mounts are different, but there are tons of companies that sell motor mount kits for just that purpose.
thats why b-series swaps are so common in civics, they can be done so easily.

I'm an electrical drafter/electrical engineering technician

so i get to surf HAI all day too ;RoCkOn;
Mark_H
10-15-2002, 11:16 AM
Sweet.
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b18cya-T
10-15-2002, 11:21 AM
a few months ago, there was a Honda Tuning that had a very in-depth article on honda motor swapping. i'll try to scan it & post it soon
95GSRB18C
10-15-2002, 12:58 PM
Originally posted by greddy1.6
Im not exactly sure which motor they came with could they have come with the b17 1.7DOHC non vtec like the like the 90-92's came with.

The B17A is the 92-93 Integra GSR motor and it's VTEC. Did you mean the B18A1? That came in all 90-93 Integra's and was the 1.8L DOHC NON VTEC.

The 86-89 Integra motors were D series and the ZC is considered a D series motor but it only came in japan. The Engine code for the 86-89 Integra's should be D16A1 i believe. He could just go for a LS motor (90-93,B18A1) because it's cable and just easiest to stick with....either that or a B16A SiRI OBD0 should work just fine because it also came with a cable tranny.
I'll check into it and see for sure what people have swapped into those year integra's.
b18cya-T
10-15-2002, 01:12 PM
Originally posted by B18C1TurboTeg


The B17A is the 92-93 Integra GSR motor and it's VTEC. Did you mean the B18A1? That came in all 90-93 Integra's and was the 1.8L DOHC NON VTEC.

The 86-89 Integra motors were D series and the ZC is considered a D series motor but it only came in japan. The Engine code for the 86-89 Integra's should be D16A1 i believe. He could just go for a LS motor (90-93,B18A1) because it's cable and just easiest to stick with....either that or a B16A SiRI OBD0 should work just fine because it also came with a cable tranny.
I'll check into it and see for sure what people have swapped into those year integra's.

all USDM 90-91 integra's had the b18a engine (130hp 1.8l non-vtec)
92-93 rs, ls, & gs integra's had the b18b (140hp 1.8l non-vtec)

the 92,93 GSR had the b17a (160hp 1.7L vtec) as noted above
95GSRB18C
10-15-2002, 01:18 PM
92-93 Integra's still had the B18A1. B18B1 didnt come in until 94+.
The 90-93 Integra RS,LS,GS had the B18A1. The 92-93 GSR had the B17A1. The 94-01 RS,LS,GS had the B18B1 and the 94-01 GSR had the B18C1.;)
b18cya-T
10-15-2002, 01:38 PM
yea, you're right on the LS engines
w00dr0w
10-15-2002, 01:46 PM
page two ownage bleeeaaatch!

thanks for all of your help guys. I think he was hoping that a b16 would swap in with minimal difficulty. So who wants to do a motor swap?!
1998cc
10-15-2002, 02:33 PM
Here some info on the swap. It isn't specific to your situation though.Swap Guide (http://www.sportcompactcarweb.com/tech/0102scc_swapguide/)
95GSRB18C
10-15-2002, 08:11 PM
i'll seriously be down to swap a B16 into there. I love doing motor swaps. I've done quite a few. I've put a B16A2 into a 95 Civic coupe, a B16A SiRII OBDI into a 92 hatch and i put a D16Z6 into my CRX. Let me know if you want me to help ya out.
Reu Froman
10-17-2002, 11:15 AM
I'm w00dr0w's roomie...
Thanks for all the info. Its really helping me decide what to put in there. I think that i will put B16 under the hood. I have found a few places where to get them. Is there a local spot that i should look for that has reliable engines?
stu
10-17-2002, 01:07 PM
yeah, Japan.
95GSRB18C
10-17-2002, 03:17 PM
check out that guy on the boards..his name is Japdomestix, and his website is www.japdomestix.com. he can get the 1st gen SiR motor for $1150 i believe. Im not sure. Check it out tho and see if u like it.
Jarod
10-21-2002, 03:46 PM
I have a 5th gen civic base model motor in my garage free for the taking...if you want it.. be my guest.
1998cc
10-21-2002, 03:50 PM
not to rag on the japdomestix guy, but those engines have a CUT harness. If you have ever tried to do a swap with out all of the harness it is pretty hard.
Reu Froman
10-22-2002, 10:39 AM
thanks a grip! the swap guide is really helpful. Now the engine. I guess bigger and better then i ever thought.
95GSRB18C
10-22-2002, 12:27 PM
Well find the engine and all and let me know when you do and i'll help ya out with the swap.
RiceNmotioN
10-23-2002, 03:22 PM
Technically, the ZC motor is almost the same as the DOHC D motors, but with the exception of intake manifold, distributor, you can bolt this engine into your car and run it on you ECU. The Greddy turbo kit was actually used for the ZC but was modded for the D engines. You can use this manifold but porting should be done on the manifold. Note: other parts of the greddy kit will not bolt on. As for doing a B16 swap, it's more diffcult than what they are saying. You still need to source some parts, from a newer model 4th G Civic SI or 2nd G integra and buy custom mounting brackets. the price will probably exceed the value of your car. Plus finding a source may be a bit difficult. But if he's willing to do it, it would be nice.
b18cya-T
10-23-2002, 03:31 PM
Originally posted by RiceNmotioN
DOHC D motors

dood, that doesnt exist
RiceNmotioN
10-23-2002, 03:33 PM
Technically, the ZC motor is almost the same as the DOHC D motors, but with the exception of intake manifold, distributor, you can bolt this engine into your car and run it on you ECU. The Greddy turbo kit was actually used for the ZC but was modded for the D engines. You can use this manifold but porting should be done on the manifold. Note: other parts of the greddy kit will not bolt on. As for doing a B16 swap, it's more diffcult than what they are saying. You still need to source some parts, from a newer model 4th G Civic SI or 2nd G integra and buy custom mounting brackets. the price will probably exceed the value of your car. Plus finding a source may be a bit difficult. But if he's willing to do it, it would be nice.
95GSRB18C
10-23-2002, 03:37 PM
Well the D16A1 had around 118hp i believe and the ZC has 129hp. That's not much of a boost there. If you dont want to deal with a B16 then try to find a B18A1(90-93) LS motor. I seriously dont think that the mounts can be that much different. The 86-89 Integra's had a D series motor. In 90, they switched it to B series so why wouldnt the B16 or B18 bolt up in there to the 86-89? It would be just like a civic with a D series motor in it and you would be swapping in a b series. i dunno, just my $0.02 tho.
Good luck.
If you still want my help, jus let me know.
laterz
Bryan
Talonstylz
10-30-2002, 11:00 PM
i like tacos! oh wait, were talkin bout engines... I havent seen too many 87 model integras with swaps, be interesting to see how it all turns out in the end. It would be a complete sleeper, i would say id help with the install somehow, but im stuck at my house for the next month or so =( Oh well, hope it works out all gravy :)
Talonstylz
10-30-2002, 11:02 PM
oh yea, D series motors are SOHC only
exciv2000
10-30-2002, 11:34 PM
Originally posted by Brickstylz
oh yea, D series motors are SOHC only

Actually this is false. There are 2 or 3, possibly more DOHC engines by Honda designated with a D. D=SOHC is more commonplace/accepted however.
95GSRB18C
10-31-2002, 10:37 AM
Originally posted by exciv2000
Actually this is false. There are 2 or 3, possibly more DOHC engines by Honda designated with a D. D=SOHC is more commonplace/accepted however.

What are they then? The only one i know of is the D16A1 from the 86-89 Integra.