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Maverick
11-18-2007, 04:40 AM
I have been bartending now for long enough that I "feel" the need to pass on a few tips to anybody who goes to the bar. Some of these are personal pet peeves and some of them are ethics.

1. The average of what most tips should be is 20% plain and simple...this is also dependent upon service. If your waitress or tender has made frequent mistakes without sincere apology or has completely forgotten about you by all means tip less...however do not go below 10%. That is the bare minimum that you should tip for any service.

2. Always round your tip up to the nearest dollar. As a bar, the tax is built into the price of the drink to limit the amount of coin being exchanged. Bigger corporate bars (i.e. Old Chicago don't give a fuck and will chase you down to the last penny) operate differently. Getting a tip in change is just as discouraging as getting no tip at all.

3. Tip on everything you get including water. Just like your utilities bill at home the bar has to pay for water as well....also the glass that it is served in, paying for the waitstaff to take it to you, refill it, clean up the table then finally to clean that glass and restock it.

4. If you don't have enough money to go out then by all means stay home. Once I realize that you ask for the cheapest drink then ask if it is on happy hour pricing I realize the more you drink the less will be left in the tip. I am not going to work more for you to pay me less.

5. Happy hour is set up to create money for the person who has to work a usually slow shift. If your bar does happy hour 2 for 1 and your tab would normally be $50 but is reduced to $25 then by all means leave more than 20%..in fact leave a $10 tip instead of $5 tip. You would have spent $60 on non happy hour pricing which would have included a 20% tip. Also your bartender is doing twice the work for about 1/2 the money.

6. Do not whistle or snap your fingers at me. My job is to make drinks and when I am not doing that I am looking for people who need drinks. Calling me in this way will not get you faster service...I will without the blink of an eye ignore you and take even longer to make your drink...if I even choose to do so that is. We are here to serve you, not become personal servants. In fact you probably are a good person but you have had too many vodka redbulls and think that you are the king of the bar.

7. When ordering drinks there is a difference between a vodka cranberry and a cranberry vodka. The first one is vodka w/ cranberrry juice mixed together. The second one is a flavored vodka. The slight difference in ordering lets me as a bartender know that you know what you want and actually know what you are talking about. Same thing in a different way, rebull vodka does not exist. Redbull only produces energy drinks, not alcohol.

8. I get this one a lot and I am giving you this advice to save money. The bar I work at uses Smirnoff vodka for the well, which in all honesty is a respectable vodka. It is also $3 cheaper per drink than Grey Goose, chopin, belvedere, hangar one, etc. if you order a screwdriver, vodka/cran, vodka/Redbull the cheaper vodka will taste exactly the same as the higher priced vodka. The mixer will negate all purity, smoothness, and taste of the alcohol. So save yourself some money in the long run and also keep from being laughed at by the bar staff.

9. If you don't like a drink because it is too strong for you then it is your fault for not being educated enough about the ingredients or even asking about it before hand. Most drinks can be consumed with a straw in less than 10 seconds. Suck it up literally and move onto the next drink. We as a bar don't want drinks sent back because you couldn't handle it and now want the next one on the house...I personally will do what I can within my power to remix your drink with another mixer to change the overall taste of your drink. If the drink was made incorrectly by the bar staff then send it back accordingly.

10. If the bar is busy and you can see that the tenders have a number of orders in front of them then don't order time consuming drinks (i.e. mongolian mothers, mojito's, etc.) At the bar that I work at we specialize in martinis. Lime, orange, and lemon juice are all fresh squeezed as soon as you order the drink...that involves cutting the fruit, extracting the juice in the juicer and discarding of the rind. We also don't have sour mix as that is made to order as well. The amount of time it takes to make a single fresh mint mojito I could have made 3-4 rum/coke, or vodka/tonics, etc. and had you cashed out. It is simply to speed up the service to you as well as the customers behind you. If it is slow then by all means order whatever you like.

11. If your waitress or bartender asks if you are ready to order and you are not, don't tell them yes then have no clue what you want to order. Wasting time while ordering easily takes up half an hour a night for me while people look through the menu and stumble across different options. Go to any bar with a fallback option...if you feel like you are in a pickle and can't think of anything to drink then just order your fallback and think of something new for the next round.

12. Buybacks don't happen for everybody. Don't ask for a buyback. If you are a regular or even semi-regular customer I will, at my digression, and based upon your attitude give you a buyback, free shot, or discount. It is not an inherent right of everybody who walks through the doors.

13. If you don't know what to drink and ask me or any other bartender where I work what you should drink then 9 times out of 10 that will be whiskey. It is good, cheap, and gets the job done.

14. Shots are probably the cheapest and fastest way to get buzzed or drunk if that is your goal. However if you look close enough at our menu you will realize that even though martinis are usually twice the price or more of a single shot that will generally have about 3-4 shots worth of alcohol in them. For instance, a shot \of goose will set you back $8 however and goose martini straight up will cost you $11 and consists of 4 shots worth of alcohol.

15. Martini etiquette; a traditional martini is gin with a splash of dry vermouth...this is also a clean martini, all of the next martinis will be a variation of a clean martini (i.e. w/ a twist, sweet, olives, etc.). Vodka is a substitute for gin but was introduced later that gin so it does not have the history to be considered traditional. You can also order your martini with sweet vermouth. With a twist is also another option, the zest of a lemon is pulled off into a little string then twisted tightly and dropped into the vodka or gin giving it a hint of citrus. A dirty martini is either vodka or gin with olive juice. If you are ordering your martini dirty then don't give too much preference to the quality of the alcohol because most of the vodka purity will be dumbed down by the olive juice. You can't order a dirty martini w/ a twist, or sweet, or dry. Shaken is the only way martini's are made in 99.99% of bars. Ordering your martini stirred will get you laughed at....if you are ordering a delicate gin then the bartender will know not to bruise it.

16. If you have had too much to drink, then ordering another drink to prove how manly you are only to puke it out all over the bar, floor, bathroom shows how stupid you really are. Be responsible and realize that if you don't want to clean up your own puke then neither does the bartender.

17. Dress code...Stu already talked about the dress code. If you can't follow simple rules then you aren't worth our time.




I will think of some more later but justed wanted to post these for now. I figured they might be a good refresher for some and at least a good read for freshman bargoer's.

{edit} there was also more that I was going to add to martini section about Rob Roy's, Manhattans, Gibson's but I will do that later.{edit}

Deceptakhan
11-18-2007, 04:52 AM
I'll take my martini stirred...:rofl:

In response to 9, I notice sometimes after a few tips or good bartenders will start to make it strong. THe goodones make rum and coke all rum, little tiny splash of coke. Maximizes the achohol to money ratio, and if its too strong, let it sit and the ice will weaken it.

Conrad
11-18-2007, 07:06 AM
Gotta be honest as expensive as drinks have become... I probably wont tip 20 percent... Hell I have made single round orders over 100 bucks and I am not going to tip 20 bucks for 5 min of work. 20 percent is good for food retail where labor is way more tied up.

/me is cheap asian.

john
11-18-2007, 07:19 AM
20%? Only if the service was outstanding and the drinks are phenomenal.

Don't like getting a tip in change? *Oh wah* - it's all spendable.

If the bartender is busy, don't order the drink I want? Evidently you don't want my business.

I'm not sure if the original post was serious or an attempt to be funny.

V8SpankR
11-18-2007, 07:44 AM
So,when I buy a $3 beer and I tip a buck then I am way overtipping? I guess $.60 is what I'll tip from now on.

vince
11-18-2007, 10:04 AM
the customer is always right

Nick_S
11-18-2007, 12:06 PM
Maverick if you don't mind me asking how much money do you make a night? Also if I were to tip 20% on every drink I buy I would end up tipping $50 by the end of the night. Especially when you are buying drinks for others. There is no way I'm going to tip a bartender more money I make in an hour.

Maverick
11-18-2007, 12:08 PM
Drunk customers aren't...

the customer is always right

Maverick
11-18-2007, 12:26 PM
I agree with you on the service and drinks being top notch to receive or give a good tip.

I don't like getting tips in change...I sure will take it and spend it. I should have said round up or round down to the nearest dollar to limit the amount of coin being exchanged.

If the bartender is busy and you want a time consuming drink then be prepared to wait for it, not because we are going to neglect you but because we are already making a number of drinks in front of you. It is a courtesy to realize that the bartender is busy and have an optional quick drink to order. All it is is common courtesy.

20%? Only if the service was outstanding and the drinks are phenomenal.

Don't like getting a tip in change? *Oh wah* - it's all spendable.

If the bartender is busy, don't order the drink I want? Evidently you don't want my business.

I'm not sure if the original post was serious or an attempt to be funny.

Maverick
11-18-2007, 12:28 PM
Yes, you are just an appreciated big tipper Pat :DSo,when I buy a $3 beer and I tip a buck then I am way overtipping? I guess $.60 is what I'll tip from now on.

nicklk
11-18-2007, 12:29 PM
I tip $1 for every drink I get no matter the price, if its a $2 beer or a $10 shot..its a $1 tip....If the waitress sucks, then that'll go down, if the waitress is good it'll go up

The other night my gf and I went out and had probably the greatest service ever, and they guy was just fun. He hooked us up insanely (6 shots, two pitchers of beer for $30) and we gave him a $15 tip

Maverick
11-18-2007, 12:47 PM
This wasn't posted as a rant about customers or for the bartender to think that he is all more powerful than you. It is insight into the do's and dont's of going to the bar. Everything that I have posted up is something that happens often enough that it deserves a note.

M@
11-18-2007, 01:22 PM
Quick question... how do I pick up on hot bartender ladies? :D

Minotaur
11-18-2007, 02:07 PM
So our goals as bargoers is to make the bartender happy?

Boyyyy howdy I've been way off.

Maverick
11-18-2007, 02:22 PM
Exactly...:rolleyes: Everything that I posted doesn't apply to most people who "get it" What I posted is for the people who routinely make these common mistakes. So our goals as bargoers is to make the bartender happy?

Boyyyy howdy I've been way off.

Terry
11-18-2007, 02:28 PM
Quick question... how do I pick up on hot bartender ladies? :D

Talk to them.

Minotaur
11-18-2007, 02:32 PM
Exactly... Everything that I posted doesn't apply to most people who "get it" What I posted is for the people who routinely make these common mistakes. Should I post something on parts store ettiquette or maybe car shops? Point is; there are lots of jackasses, but customers aren't something you can control, and you'll always be laughed at for something you do.Talk to them. Or don't. Dude, it's M@.

Terry
11-18-2007, 02:34 PM
Are you hitting on me?

Minotaur
11-18-2007, 02:35 PM
Are you hitting on me? Where'd you get that? No, I'm not.. I'm good....

john
11-18-2007, 02:53 PM
FWIW, when the wife and I go to our local watering hole, the service is outstanding. Our bartenders get anywhere between a $15 and $25 tip when I pay the bill.

Last friday we had a $17 bill and tipped $20.

Martian
11-18-2007, 03:20 PM
Bars that charge a cover but do not offer entertainment, will get as little of my money as possible. This includes the waitstaff. The trend I've noticed is the more high and mighty the establishment, the worse the service tends to be. No sure if this is intentional or not, but its irritating. I'll have a better time at a dive bar like Cricket on the Hill than I will at the Soiled Dove.

Always tip according to the service you recieve in proportion to the amount of your bill. Never the other way around.

TIP THE BAND OR DJ IF THERE IS ONE. Often times they don't get paid what they should for the entertainment they provide. But again, if they suck then that message needs to get across as well.

HondasTrail
11-18-2007, 04:36 PM
I'm sorry, but number 10 is biggest bull shit whine. If you can't learn to multi task and prioritize then you shouldn't be bartending at all. But then again, what would I know, I mean I would only walk out of Phantom Canyon with 5-6 bills in my hand on friday and saturday night.

Mind you this was winter time also, if it were summer It would be a bit more.

stu
11-18-2007, 05:33 PM
I view this kind of thread more as an industry insight, than a tips thread. No matter what industry someone works, they'd love to post stuff like this. If I made a thread, it'd be about not turning your hit and run claim in on a Saturday at 3:00am. Especially when your car is drivable and you don't need anything anyway. That prevents me from making a my same day contact and effects my performance numbers.

But I don't expect anyone to actually do that, just because I prefer it.

ChunsaEyes
11-18-2007, 06:45 PM
I view this kind of thread more as an industry insight, than a tips thread. No matter what industry someone works, they'd love to post stuff like this. If I made a thread, it'd be about not turning your hit and run claim in on a Saturday at 3:00am. Especially when your car is drivable and you don't need anything anyway. That prevents me from making a my same day contact and effects my performance numbers.

But I don't expect anyone to actually do that, just because I prefer it.

I concur. I could also post "tips" on the kind of information one should have on hand before calling their insurance company... you know... like looking up the definition of liability... or deductible... or even knowing if you have insurance coverage... but that's not going to happen. Shit (and shitty people) happen/s. Deal with it :)

fast hatch
11-18-2007, 07:52 PM
tips are drink lots of beer so you cant remember who you bring home

fast hatch
11-18-2007, 07:53 PM
got to turn off the lights too

stu
11-18-2007, 07:59 PM
Oh yeah, and thanks for the mention about the dress code. :)

chrisbarnett01
11-18-2007, 09:50 PM
Here are some tips from the customer to the bartender:




1. The average of what most tips should be is 20% plain and simple...this is also dependent upon service. If your waitress or tender has made frequent mistakes without sincere apology or has completely forgotten about you by all means tip less...however do not go below 10%. That is the bare minimum that you should tip for any service.

10% is not the bare minimum. If you fuck up everything, you get nothing. That's the point of tipping. It's an incentive to provide outstanding service. Similar to sales commissions. Marginal service gets 15%. Great service gets 25-30%. Poor service gets something in the 0-15% range. If you ignore me for 20 minutes, get my order wrong twice, and have a bad attitude, do not expect 10%. In fact, do not expect me to ever visit your establishment again.

Same as in sales. You don't get 10% for trying.

2. Always round your tip up to the nearest dollar. As a bar, the tax is built into the price of the drink to limit the amount of coin being exchanged. Bigger corporate bars (i.e. Old Chicago don't give a fuck and will chase you down to the last penny) operate differently. Getting a tip in change is just as discouraging as getting no tip at all.

I'm not rounding a $1.01 tip to $2.00, sorry.

6. Do not whistle or snap your fingers at me. My job is to make drinks and when I am not doing that I am looking for people who need drinks. Calling me in this way will not get you faster service...I will without the blink of an eye ignore you and take even longer to make your drink...if I even choose to do so that is. We are here to serve you, not become personal servants. In fact you probably are a good person but you have had too many vodka redbulls and think that you are the king of the bar.

Just FYI, the only reason I'd whistle at a bartender is if he sucked. If you walk by me three to four times while seemingly doing nothing. and my drink is empty, and I'm staring at you, yeah, you suck. And I will do something dumb to get your attention.

You'd be surprised at the number of shitty bartenders out there vs outstanding bartenders. So if you find yourself getting snapped at, or whistled at, and your coworkers aren't, NEWSFLASH: you suck.

10. If the bar is busy and you can see that the tenders have a number of orders in front of them then don't order time consuming drinks (i.e. mongolian mothers, mojito's, etc.) At the bar that I work at we specialize in martinis. Lime, orange, and lemon juice are all fresh squeezed as soon as you order the drink...that involves cutting the fruit, extracting the juice in the juicer and discarding of the rind. We also don't have sour mix as that is made to order as well. The amount of time it takes to make a single fresh mint mojito I could have made 3-4 rum/coke, or vodka/tonics, etc. and had you cashed out. It is simply to speed up the service to you as well as the customers behind you. If it is slow then by all means order whatever you like.


Um, fuck you. I go to the bar to order whatever I want to drink. Pina Colada, martini, beer, whatever. I don't care if it takes you an extra two minutes, nor do I care if the next customer has to wait two minutes longer. I want to drink whatever I want to drink. If you don't like it, quit serving drinks that are hard to make. I can always find a new bar.

honda1982
11-18-2007, 11:00 PM
Damn why is all these complaining about serving Drink. It's not the hardest Job out there, okay you get to deal with alot of Drunk dumbass but fuck yesterday I just spend 10hours shoveling rock and I'm not complaining.

talice
11-19-2007, 01:27 AM
Alright, my moms been a bartender for about 14 years now, and she never complains this much. She deals with what she gets, gets them what they want, and doesn't throw a hissy fit if it takes her 2 or 3 extra minutes to make the drink. A job is a job, if you do it well, you get rewarded well, but don't just expect to be tipped high. If they wanna tip you a dollar, just be happy you got a damn tip, don't complain, cause you could have just gotten nothing. And as for 20% you are out of your damn mind, unless you preform completely outstanding service.

Brandon
11-19-2007, 08:35 AM
2. ha i always round my bill up to the nearest dollar pretty much guaranteeing that the sever gets some change. I like to see round numbers on my bank statement.

I also disagree with 10% being the bare minimum. $0.01 is the bare minimum and the maximum insult. When I walk into a tipping environment, the server starts off with 20% and the bartender starts off with $1/drink. From there it goes up or down depending on the service.

In response to 4&5. If the server gives the hook-up on anything then yes, they will most likely get extra tip. In fact, when I tip for dinner and I only ordered a soda I will often look to see if the server charged for sodas. If the establishment is giving discounts then sorry, your tip will likely be less than if i was charged at full price.

9....bunch o pussies....

10 made me lol but I think everyone else covered it already.

16 Do you stop serving people when they look like they might puke?

subiesweetie
11-19-2007, 08:46 AM
I know one thing for sure: whenever I leave a bad tip on alcohol, it's usually because I wasn't sober enough to care to do my math on the bill correctly. I like places that throw a standard 18% on the bill and then allow you to adjust it according to service. What can I say? I'm a lazy drunk. ;)

Dave_L
11-19-2007, 09:25 AM
I'm with everyone on the $1/drink. Even then, I don't like giving you a dollar when it took you 30 seconds to grab me a beer. You're service is not worth $120 an hour. But I do it because I know what it's like in the customer service industry. Tips have become too "expected" now. People could do the worst job and will still expect a 20% tip now-a-days.

Also, like everyone said, I'll order whatever drink i want to no matter how busy you are. If you don't like that, then don't work in an industry that is fast paced and requires multi-tasking. Would you buy a car that wasn't exactly want you wanted because the sales guy was to busy to go find you the car you really wanted? Didn't think so...

chrisbarnett01
11-19-2007, 09:32 AM
Would you buy a car that wasn't exactly want you wanted because the sales guy was to busy to go find you the car you really wanted? Didn't think so...

Awesome analogy.

Bedlam
11-19-2007, 12:24 PM
Hrmm..interesting insights, but honestly we work with people, people as they are..are generally cheap, rude, assholes. I dont order exotic drinks at bars, if I get great (or even good) service I'll tip decently, if I get the "here is your beer now screw off" attitude, your tip is going to suck accordingly.

Mark_H
11-19-2007, 12:43 PM
I'm a notoriously average tipper. By most peoples standards I'd be considered a bad tipper but I tip what I, the customer, feels is fair. If I'm chilling on a bar stool for a night and feel that the bar tender(s) are fast, friendly and make good drinks I'll tip $1 per drink then throw them a $5 or whatever remaining $1's I have in my wallet at the end of the night. If their service sucks and my drinks are weak, then they get $1 every other drink($1 if two identical drinks are ordered) etc.
This goes for dinner as well, if I have outstanding service the server will get 20% + an extra $5 or even $10. If the service was obviously subpar, they get a few bucks and thats it.

kevino002
11-19-2007, 12:50 PM
see Reservoir Dogs for explanation on tipping. :)

Maverick
11-19-2007, 01:28 PM
I didn't realize this would catch so much negative feedback.....it really was written for more of an insight.

1. Like some of you identified and I have rectified the tip is based completely on customer service...so tip according to the quality of service.

2. Fixed...round up or round down getting change is a hassle.

3. I stand by this one. I tip everywhere I go, subway, coffee, etc.

4. If you can't afford it then don't go.

5. Correct

6. Drunk people get snappy or whistle. I personally haven't been snapped or whistled at for bad service.

7. Correct

8. Correct

9. This is situational, some people just can't handle the taste of alcohol. Remedy, don't order drinks that are 80% bourbon.

10. This one got a lot of heat and the only time that I have noticed it is in certain situations. The biggest response is that I have no ability to multitask. ha. Anyways with that to the side I will give you the reason why I wrote it. Last Wednesday I was the only person working (I was the bartender, server, food preparer, cigar sales, and busboy). I had 68 people in my bar that all arrived within 30 minutes of eachother. I went out and got all of the orders at once and made all of the drinks at once. While I was making drinks people would walk up to the bar and request a drink expecting it to be made right then instead of being put in order of when it was received. This is the situation that I wrote about and I can see clearly that I didn't get the message across the right way...yes at all times we as a bar are there to serve you what you want...no arguments

11. Correct

12. Correct

13. Correct and true

14. Correct

15. Correct

16. Some people just blow without warning, you are responsible for yourself as much as I am.

17. Correct.

Hopefully that will clear some air out there. Number 10 wasn't written about my lack of multitasking so anybody who questions it just regard it as a situational matter and not my abilities as a bartender. I like what I do a lot and somebody mentioned there mom has been doing it for 14 years and never complained so much...remember this was written as insight not as a sob story.

Maverick
11-24-2007, 12:45 AM
If you hold onto a single drink for 5 years then yes this is a good analogy. Albeit most people finish a drink in 20-25 minutes. Bad analogy.........Would you buy a car that wasn't exactly want you wanted because the sales guy was to busy to go find you the car you really wanted? Didn't think so...

chrisbarnett01
11-24-2007, 01:00 AM
If you hold onto a single drink for 5 years then yes this is a good analogy. Albeit most people finish a drink in 20-25 minutes. Bad analogy.........

You're looking at it the wrong way:

Most people keep a car less than the span of its normal life. Most people keep a drink for the entire span of its life.

HONDA GHANDI
11-24-2007, 01:01 AM
Some chicks have a drink longer than they have a car LOL.

chrisbarnett01
11-24-2007, 01:04 AM
LMAO.

zakkshaffer
11-24-2007, 03:03 AM
Quick question... how do I pick up on hot bartender dudes? :D

fixxxed

jackmode9316
11-24-2007, 06:20 AM
I give my girl a "TIP" when she brings me a beer!