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Dustin
10-08-2002, 09:05 AM
http://www.dartheads.com/blhonda.htm
Wow
exciv2000
10-08-2002, 09:11 AM
I'll take one!
b18cya-T
10-08-2002, 09:46 AM
damn!
so if i ever were to blow my block, but the head survives, i could mate it to a b20 dart block & boost like crazy??
Dustin
10-08-2002, 09:55 AM
Originally posted by Obi Wan B18cya
damn!
so if i ever were to blow my block, but the head survives, i could mate it to a b20 dart block & boost like crazy??
yep:)
b18cya-T
10-08-2002, 09:57 AM
mmmmm :D
any idea on the pricing of that stuff?
Brian
10-08-2002, 10:37 AM
I think the blocks are around 2 grand. I have a pricelist here somewhere from payntech and dart.
HONDA GHANDI
10-08-2002, 11:09 AM
well worth it considering to build and sleeve a B20 block will cost nearly as much. Also very streetable since it uses all the stock mountings for all the sensors and stuff. Maybe someday...
Dustin
10-08-2002, 11:16 AM
Originally posted by HONDA GHANDI
well worth it considering to build and sleeve a B20 block will cost nearly as much. Also very streetable since it uses all the stock mountings for all the sensors and stuff. Maybe someday...
See Tob, them there old hot rodders make sum fine hunduh parts.
newt2
10-08-2002, 12:04 PM
I've seen those before. If I blow my engine up, that's definitely what's going in to replace it.
SleeperZ
10-08-2002, 12:45 PM
Originally posted by Obi Wan B18cya
damn!
so if i ever were to blow my block, but the head survives, i could mate it to a b20 dart block & boost like crazy??
Only if you lower the compression ratio. Head design is the governing factor in whether an engine detonates under boost. Detonation governs how much power you can reliably get from an engine. Since you would have the same head with a stronger block, you could detonate 1-3 seconds longer before POOF you have a paperweight of a Dart block. Even if it has titanium pistons it won't hold up.
b18cya-T
10-08-2002, 01:02 PM
when i say boost the hell, i dont mean w/o fuel tuning, knock sensing, etc that any reasonable human would do.
i dont like throwing away my money by doin stoopid shit
b18cya-T
10-08-2002, 01:05 PM
if they really wanted to make a hit, they'd build a b20 block that mates directly with a vtec head.
the stock b20 or b18b block needs oil taps & stuff drilled into them, right? so presumably, you'd have to do the same to one of these new dart blocks. well, dart should do that from the factory
BoraTurbo
10-08-2002, 01:27 PM
who needs vtec???? heheh
HONDA GHANDI
10-08-2002, 01:47 PM
Originally posted by Dustin
See Tob, them there old hot rodders make sum fine hunduh parts.
Its about time someone jumped on the bandwagon. Dart has always made fine parts IMO.
Mr. NoSkills
10-08-2002, 05:08 PM
i remember like 6 months ago when that shit came out people talked about some of the negatives though
First, not that any of us are pro racers, but wouldn't those be banned in idrc? because it's not a stock honda motor that came in however many cars?
Also, for two grand you get exactly what you see in that picture. a block and main caps. Not even a dipstick hehe.
they are fucking nice though.
95GSRB18C
10-08-2002, 05:49 PM
i would take one! :D
gjcivic
10-08-2002, 09:04 PM
D16's get no love :(
exciv2000
10-08-2002, 10:18 PM
Originally posted by gjcivic
D16's get no love :(
Eh, they get love, just not as much, because people are inherently greedy, and they think two is better than one. Imagine if the D series SOHC engines were the shit and the B series DOHC engines sucked ass? Would they get much love then? I still think it's impressive for my SOHC to do a 15.884, and yet if it were in a gutted hatch, it'd be in the low 15s. and if it were at sea level, it would definetely be somewhere in the 14s. I know it's not fast, but I have fun with it, and I still keep my original engine too. My car was a 19 second car stock... I've made it lose 4 good whole seconds just by putting a little bit of money and love into it.
TedR719
10-09-2002, 12:50 AM
17 second car stock. hehe where do you get 19?
SOHC do have potential and they are cheap! I remeber beating b16's with my single back in the day. Low end on sohc = good. top end = ass. (not boosted that is)
Originally posted by exciv2000
Eh, they get love, just not as much, because people are inherently greedy, and they think two is better than one. Imagine if the D series SOHC engines were the shit and the B series DOHC engines sucked ass? Would they get much love then? I still think it's impressive for my SOHC to do a 15.884, and yet if it were in a gutted hatch, it'd be in the low 15s. and if it were at sea level, it would definetely be somewhere in the 14s. I know it's not fast, but I have fun with it, and I still keep my original engine too. My car was a 19 second car stock... I've made it lose 4 good whole seconds just by putting a little bit of money and love into it.
exciv2000
10-09-2002, 03:01 AM
My car was nowhere near 17 seconds stock, maybe at sea level. The best I got out of it was 18.2 with I/H/E, and I had consistent 18.6s. Take away that I/H/E which gave me a very decent advantage over stock, and my estimates are in the low to mid 19s at 5800 ASL.
TedR719
10-09-2002, 02:42 PM
Really? Dang, my friend with his 96 EX (the one for sale) with I/H/E ran a best of 17.1.
Originally posted by exciv2000
My car was nowhere near 17 seconds stock, maybe at sea level. The best I got out of it was 18.2 with I/H/E, and I had consistent 18.6s. Take away that I/H/E which gave me a very decent advantage over stock, and my estimates are in the low to mid 19s at 5800 ASL.
Dustin
10-09-2002, 02:51 PM
Originally posted by exciv2000
My car was nowhere near 17 seconds stock, maybe at sea level. The best I got out of it was 18.2 with I/H/E, and I had consistent 18.6s. Take away that I/H/E which gave me a very decent advantage over stock, and my estimates are in the low to mid 19s at 5800 ASL.
The floormat may have gotten stuck under the pedal :D :spit:
exciv2000
10-09-2002, 03:55 PM
Originally posted by futuresi
Really? Dang, my friend with his 96 EX (the one for sale) with I/H/E ran a best of 17.1.
It probably depends on which brands of I/H/E he went with. I went with quietness and low end torque along with cold air.
greddy1.6
10-09-2002, 04:03 PM
I agree with the above mention of the d16's i love my little d16z6 i have fun with it its not the fastest thing out there but for only 5psi 15.5 isnt bad and plus you get a nice even range of low and high end produced with it. but before i turbo'd it i was getting low 17's not 19's out of it.
exciv2000
10-09-2002, 04:11 PM
There might be differences between engine codes too. My D16Y8 was pretty doggy at the track N/A, but it takes to boost well.
greddy1.6
10-09-2002, 04:13 PM
Originally posted by exciv2000
There might be differences between engine codes too. My D16Y8 was pretty doggy at the track N/A, but it takes to boost well.
Yeah that could be true. who knows all i know is that the d16's are a fun cheap little engine to tune and play with.
b18cya-T
01-08-2003, 11:30 AM
dart updated the page!
Whoa... I can't believe ya'll are just hearin' about this stuff... I have a superstreet mag that is from early of last year that had these mentioned in it... I've been planning on one of these sense I started drooling over imports... Oh and as for price goes, the B18 block is 1800 and the B20 is 2000 and the B20+ is between 2000 and 2200 depending on how you want it drilled and yes they do do custom drilling for v-tec heads and so on... Damn, and I thought I was goin' to be original with my Alum. block, now everyone is goin to have one :(
Dustin
01-08-2003, 11:56 AM
Originally posted by JDX BlackHatch
Whoa... I can't believe ya'll are just hearin' about this stuff... I have a superstreet mag that is from early of last year that had these mentioned in it... I've been planning on one of these sense I started drooling over imports... Oh and as for price goes, the B18 block is 1800 and the B20 is 2000 and the B20+ is between 2000 and 2200 depending on how you want it drilled and yes they do do custom drilling for v-tec heads and so on... Damn, and I thought I was goin' to be original with my Alum. block, now everyone is goin to have one :(
I don't know what your planning but this block is most likely over kill.
TXKompressor
01-08-2003, 12:02 PM
that is very nice I like the idea of using "Virgin" Aluminum Allow...
Very nice I bet that thing would handle some serious hp...
TOMMY WANT WINGY...
Yeah... I've herd that AEBS can hangle 55 lbs of boost with just their sleeves and this is the entire block so I'm figurin' it does about the same if not more... Not that It wouldn't cost a billion dollars to bullet proof the internals to hold that much boost but it would be a pretty fuckin' crazy thing to see a 2100 lb. Civic Hatch gutted out with a 2.1 or 2.2 leter engine boostin' 20 to 30 pounds if not more, ya know... That's got 9 or 10 second street car writen all over it, and your worst problem wouldn't be detonation or anything like that... It would be how high of octane can you buy and how big of slicks can you strap on :D Seriously traction would be a bitch :D
95GSRB18C
01-08-2003, 12:07 PM
i give props to you guys that are have D16's and are running mid 15's...:)
HONDA GHANDI
01-08-2003, 12:46 PM
Originally posted by Dustin
I don't know what your planning but this block is most likely over kill.
Just like most racing products. Better to have headroom than to have to buy parts every Monday. Do you concur?
greddy1.6
01-08-2003, 01:11 PM
Originally posted by B18C1TurboTeg
i give props to you guys that are have D16's and are running mid 15's...:)
Thanks bro appreciate it:Beer:
2000SiVTEC
01-08-2003, 06:12 PM
Originally posted by JDX BlackHatch
Yeah... I've herd that AEBS can hangle 55 lbs of boost with just their sleeves and this is the entire block so I'm figurin' it does about the same if not more... Not that It wouldn't cost a billion dollars to bullet proof the internals to hold that much boost but it would be a pretty fuckin' crazy thing to see a 2100 lb. Civic Hatch gutted out with a 2.1 or 2.2 leter engine boostin' 20 to 30 pounds if not more, ya know... That's got 9 or 10 second street car writen all over it, and your worst problem wouldn't be detonation or anything like that... It would be how high of octane can you buy and how big of slicks can you strap on :D Seriously traction would be a bitch :D
Did you say street car in the same sentence with 9 or 10 second civic????
exciv2000
01-08-2003, 06:35 PM
Originally posted by B18C1TurboTeg
i give props to you guys that are have D16's and are running mid 15's...:)
Thanks, and a big :fu: to all the naysayers who said it couldn't be done. :D
In 1987 F1 cars were boosting 75+ psi using tolene. That's 1,300-1,400 hp from a 90cid motor.
HONDA GHANDI
01-08-2003, 10:10 PM
They also revved to 18 rpm with pneumatic valve trains and or push pull valves. Those engines were extremly complicated and finicky.
HONDA GHANDI
01-08-2003, 10:12 PM
In 2001 this NonVTEC- NA car made 345 hp/liter and revved to 20,000RPM.
TedR719
01-08-2003, 10:28 PM
Time for a swap...
tomorrow sound good... and one for the rest of the week :)
How long do those enigines last?
HONDA GHANDI
01-08-2003, 10:37 PM
About 130 minutes at full throttle.
Originally posted by HONDA GHANDI
They also revved to 18 rpm with pneumatic valve trains and or push pull valves. Those engines were extremly complicated and finicky.
Shut up, 75+ psi is still cool and you know it!
I was flipping through the lastest "Hot VW" magizine (which had a whole section dedicated to the Bugs that run at Bandemere in which they mentioned and pictured the family from Painter's Grinding) and they had this article about the fastest four cylinder ever. It is this dragster that is turbo and uses nitrous. It ran a 6.xx at like 202mph or something. They said that it was estimated to have over 1,000hp. I am pretty sure that it was a VW engine (that's why it was in Hot VW, duh.)
TedR719
01-09-2003, 02:25 AM
That would a great way to spend 130 minutes of my life :)
Originally posted by HONDA GHANDI
About 130 minutes at full throttle.
HONDA GHANDI
01-09-2003, 04:50 PM
I couldnt think of a better way to blow $10million in machinery.
Stu I also found an old article about Hondas 1.5 liter turbo in the late seventies before they went with air powered valves they used a torsion bar valve spring that was capable of over 15k rpm.
i cant find any pictures of this but its a very interesting idea.
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