Hydroxy booster tested by FOX 31 and the Elbert County Sheriff

[Weston]

People have been building these for themselves for quite some time, but this guy did a good job of packaging it for automotive use, and it's pretty cool to see a hydroxy booster tested by Tom Martino and a county Sheriff...

Video: http://fuelsavingsonline.com

http://hydranox5000.com

[Bedlam]

hrmm..seems rather gimmicky to me..

[Weston-work]

hrmm..seems rather gimmicky to me..

Yeah, the marketing approach doesn't exactly inspire confidence, but the science behind it is sound, and you can build your own for pretty cheap... it's just using previously wasted energy to power an electrolysis cell which splits water molecules into hydroxy gas (2 H + 1 O) that can be fed to the engine. IMO, it has much more potential if you were to add some components to adjust the fuel injection accordingly. If you just plug it in without any electronic adjustment, like they did in the test, the air/fuel mixture isn't really being metered correctly, and burning hydrogen causes a false lean reading on O2 sensors so the ECU will want to add more gasoline. That's why I think it's kind of cool... it has been shown to be useful, even with such a crude approach that has obvious room for improvement.

[Minotaur]

Yeah, the marketing approach doesn't exactly inspire confidence, but the science behind it is sound, and you can build your own for pretty cheap... it's just using previously wasted energy to power an electrolysis cell which splits water molecules into hydroxy gas (2 H + 1 O) that can be fed to the engine. IMO, it has much more potential if you were to add some components to adjust the fuel injection accordingly. If you just plug it in without any electronic adjustment, like they did in the test, the air/fuel mixture isn't really being metered correctly, and burning hydrogen causes a false lean reading on O2 sensors so the ECU will want to add more gasoline. That's why I think it's kind of cool... it has been shown to be useful, even with such a crude approach that has obvious room for improvement.Electrolysis is a super energy consuming process. I don't see how the "wasted energy" of a car comes even close to providing enough current to split molecules. That's how we get hydrogen gas, which is expensive (relatively) because of the energy required to make it.

Hydroxy gas has hydroxy ions.. therefore the stoichiometry looks like this:3H2O ---> 2H2 + 2OH, which is Hydrogen gas (think Hindenburg) and Hydroxy Ions (In gas form)... 1H and 1O doesn't even make sense since both hydrogen and oxygen exist in gas form as binary compounds.

More on electrolysis:
http://www.science.uwaterloo.ca/~cchieh/cact/c123/eltlysis.html

[Weston]

Electrolysis is a super energy consuming process. I don't see how the "wasted energy" of a car comes even close to providing enough current to split molecules. That's how we get hydrogen gas, which is expensive (relatively) because of the energy required to make it.

You're not understanding how much hydrogen is involved here. We're not talking about producing huge quantities or running the car primarily on hydrogen. We're just talking about a small cell that enriches the intake air with hydrogen to give it a boost, which is entirely feasible since it's powerful stuff. This isn't just some lame gasoline additive that we're talking about here, it's hydrogen. The amount of current required for such a cell is comparable to the amount that your headlights use, so it's really not that much.

The complication is that it obviously takes more energy to produce hydrogen than you'll get from burning it, and that's why it's only possible to benefit from this when waste energy is primarily what powers the electrolysis cell. Most people don't have any idea how much energy cars actually waste. In a typical internal combustion engine, over 70% of the fuel's energy is wasted in the form of heat, and the little bit that the engine actually harnesses is still more than enough to drive a variety of inefficient components and be able to propel the car to 100+ MPH.

The abundance of heat energy does help electrolysis, because as heat increases, the electrical energy requirement decreases. However, dealing with steam adds a layer of complexity, so most booster cells don't try to make use of much more heat than just the engine bay temperature. What's more useful is the fact that cars also waste electricity, and that's pretty easy to make use of. If you have a 100 amp alternator and are only drawing 50 amps from it at the time, it's already spinning, so drawing another 50 amps isn't going to cost near as much as the first 50. It's not quite free energy, but it's definitely cheap. And when it comes to the cell itself, an efficient design and the use of PWM power circuitry can greatly reduce the amount of power needed. Put all of these things together and the end result is a booster cell that can convert some of the engine's waste energy back into something that it can burn.

I still think it's kind of a gamble to expect a mileage increase without adjusting the fuel injection to compensate though. Burning hydrogen makes the O2 sensor think you're running leaner than you really are, so the ECU is going to add more gasoline to the mixture.


Hydroxy gas has hydroxy ions.. therefore the stoichiometry looks like this:3H2O ---> 2H2 + 2OH, which is Hydrogen gas (think Hindenburg) and Hydroxy Ions (In gas form)... 1H and 1O doesn't even make sense since both hydrogen and oxygen exist in gas form as binary compounds.

More on electrolysis:
http://www.science.uwaterloo.ca/~cchieh/cact/c123/eltlysis.html

That doesn't change anything. You end up with a nice flammable gas for an engine to burn. You're not going to have a Hindenburg under the hood because this is a small amount of gas that is being immediately consumed by the engine as it is produced, so there's no storage other than the small amount that's in the line. As with anything flammable, there is a hazard, but I've seen people do far more dangerous things with just "wet" nitrous kits. I can think of better and safer ways to do it than running a hose into the airbox, but I still wouldn't be overly concerned with that approach in most cases.

[honda1982]

I have no clue what you Scientist are talking about. All I know is it a device that feed hydrogen and oxygen into the car therefore increase performance and gas.

[myshtern]

Weston, did you order one?

[Weston-work]

Weston, did you order one?

Nah... I'm not going to pay $300 for something that I could build myself for way less. The packaging is the only thing that seems to be unique about this one. One of these days, I'll build my own... I just have too many other projects right now.

[myshtern]

I think you should buy one