Noise ordinance in Denver passed 8-2

[Aracheon]

Fuck. This. Shit.


http://cbs4denver.com/topstories/local_story_155214432.html





(CBS4) DENVER The Denver City Council voted 8-2 Monday night to enact stricter regulations on the noise motorcycles can make staring July 1.

Council members Charlie Brown and Jeanne Faatz voted against the measure.

The ordinance will require all motorcycle pipes to have a stamp to show they are in compliance with U.S. Environmental Protection Agency noise standards.

Councilman Rick Garcia voted for the ordinance.

"Hopefully they will stay out of Denver," Garcia said about the motorcyclists with loud exhaust pipes.

Two years ago, CBS4 reported on how many motorcycles were violating Denver's 80 decibel limit. Police from several agencies conducted a brief crackdown, but using a noise meter to catch a moving motorcycle was not an easy task.

City Council members were given a demonstration of both motorcycles in compliance with noise laws, and those that are not.

"There are a lot of one way streets in my district and late at night they're wide open," Councilwoman Jeannie Robb said. "These things take off and if they're not EPA certified, you heard the difference."

But from those who make a living installing the loud pipes there is another side to the story.

"Loud pipes will save lives because I see people not even paying attention until they hear the pipes and then they look over and see you," a motorcycle mechanic said.

First time violators of the ordinance would get a $500 fine. For repeat offenders, it could go up to $999.

[myshtern]

There wouldnt be such a reaction if you guys didnt fucking wake everyone up at 2am.

I'm woken up by a bike in the middle of the night at least twice a week and I live in an urban area. Each bike probably wakes up at least 200 people within 1 block of me.

[EVORSTroy]

sportbikes don't even make that much noise if you ask me, even with a/m exhaust. It's the V-twins with straight pipes that make all the noise.

I can't even hardly hear my bike, and I am sitting on the damn thing

[guessinthe2000]

^^^ who is this guy anyways...

I heard that they'll only put cops out where there has been complains. Down where I live no one complains because we dont have aholes like the one on top of my message

[Aracheon]

The ordinance is great for the Harley assholes and squids with D&D cans who ride around at 11k RPM all the time... but for those of us who are relatively respectful and don't make noise just for the fucking sake of making noise, it sucks. You will NEVER see me riding in a neighborhood at 2am waking people up.

[EVORSTroy]

^^^ who is this guy anyways...

I heard that they'll only put cops out where there has been complains. Down where I live no one complains because we dont have aholes like the one on top of my message

I hope you are referring to the post above mine.

[Aracheon]

I think he is.

[Conrad]

Another reason Denver sucks!!!

south > north

[Aracheon]

Colorado Springs #2 in nation for speeding tickets.



No.

[Conrad]

Colorado Springs #2 in nation for speeding tickets.



No.


well dont speed.... :rofl:

[Aracheon]

I don't.

[Conrad]

I rest my case!

[Terry]

Overthrow the man

[Dave_L]

I read about this in the paper. It's good for those ub3r loud bikes. The ones that make it so you can't even hear yourself think. But I also understand that loud pipes can save lives but they have to have some kind of limit on the DB's. I think it'll be mostly towards loud cruisers.

[myshtern]

If you're respectful in residential neighborhoods, you have nothing to worry about then. No one will complain to cops about bikes they cant hear.

[JL LGT]

I'm just glad it isn't another push to have bikes equipped w/ seatbelts!

*Yes.. they've tried it. Thank GAWD for our AMA lobbyists.

[LOL_ALIAS]

fuck yeah, I'm sick of all these douche bags driving by my place at 2am thinking they're tough shit because they spent $100 on a shitty exhaust for their bike they bought off of ebay. I know this sucks for the 10% of bike owners that are actually respectful about it - but fuck the rest of ya, seriously.

[Skaterkid]

Yay! Hopefully no more loud Harleys that deafen me on the highway!

[M@]

I had some dick on a hog see I was on the phone the other day with my windows down, so he felt it was necessary to get next to me and ride at 10k RPM. Dick.

[john]

It's about time. I hope that it spreads across the entire state, and then the country...

[Weston-work]

It's about time. I hope that it spreads across the entire state, and then the country...

:werd: I don't see a problem with most sport bikes, but the damn Harleys are nothing but obnoxious.

[Terry]

I had some dick on a hog see I was on the phone the other day with my windows down, so he felt it was necessary to get next to me and ride at 10k RPM. Dick.

You had some dick on a hog?

[2fastNturn]

Why is it the slowest cars and bikes are the loudest? I say crack down, if you have a sportbike, then just run. The harleys are to slow to get away.

[forum]

You might be surprised. The screaming eagle bikes are definately NOT slow. Keep in mind most harleys are at least 1500, if not 1800cc

I had a guy on a screaming eagle ultra classic that could keep right up with me on my buell on the straights.

[Aracheon]

I had some dick on a hog see I was on the phone the other day with my windows down, so he felt it was necessary to get next to me and ride at 10k RPM. Dick.


If I see some ignorant cager on a cell phone with their window down, I will make it a point to disrupt their conversation if it makes them aware of the fact that I am on the same road that they are.

You might be surprised. The screaming eagle bikes are definately NOT slow. Keep in mind most harleys are at least 1500, if not 1800cc

I had a guy on a screaming eagle ultra classic that could keep right up with me on my buell on the straights.


I've yet to run up against one of those.

[myshtern]

I don't understand why in Europe there are 10x more motorcyclists yet the sound emissions are much more strict and they aren't dying from it. You guys need to figure out how to make yourself more visible without disrupting everything around you.

[mirror]

From the AMA.

NEW DENVER NOISE LAW ALLOWS TICKETS FOR HAVING AFTERMARKET
EXHAUST SYSTEMS
The American Motorcyclist Association has expressed serious concerns about a new law passed by the
Denver City Council that essentially requires all riders in the city to use only stock exhaust systems on their
motorcycles.

On June 4, Denver officials approved changes to the city's vehicle noise ordinance that allow police to issue
tickets to riders if their bikes don't have a federal Environmental Protection Agency sound-certification label
on the exhaust systems. The new ordinance, which takes effect July 1, would apply to all motorcycles made
since 1982, which was the first year that federal law required motorcycles sold in the U.S. to comply with EPA
sound regulations.

In practical terms, that means the bike would have to have the original exhaust system installed by the
manufacturer. Violators would have two weeks to prove to a judge that they have fixed the problem or would
be forced to pay a $500 fine.

Previously, the Denver ordinance required all motor vehicles to pass a sound test that set a limit of 80
decibels at 25 feet. That type of performance standard remains in effect for cars and trucks, except that the
allowable limits have been raised. Under the new ordinance, vehicles with a gross weight rating under 10,000
pounds couldn't exceed 82 db(A) at 25 feet, and trucks over 10,000 pounds couldn't exceed 90 db(A) at 50
feet. Only motorcycles would be subject to the EPA sound certification labeling requirement.

"We understand the motivation for cities to pass laws controlling sound levels from traffic," said Ed Moreland,
AMA Vice President for Government Relations. "But the approach being taken in Denver creates a special
class of enforcement that unfairly targets motorcyclists. Loud trucks and cars are every bit as annoying as
loud motorcycles, but only motorcyclists would be subject to this new provision of the labeling law."

To understand the restrictions being imposed on motorcyclists, Moreland asked car drivers to consider the
impact if Denver city officials had instead required stock mufflers on cars, making it illegal for Denver drivers
to buy replacement exhaust systems from companies like Midas or Meineke.

"That would force everyone who drives a Ford to return to the Ford dealer and get the exact replacement
muffler every time their exhaust system wore out," he noted.

The AMA's position on the new Denver ordinance got support June 7 in an editorial in the Rocky Mountain
News which stated: "As more than one critic of the ordinance...noted, it just doesn't appear ready for prime
time."

Several years ago, the city of Albuquerque, New Mexico, passed a similar certification ordinance affecting
motorcyclists there. Motorcyclist groups, included the AMA, worked with city officials for two yearsbefore that
A07009
June 7, 2007
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
Contact: Bill Kresnak
Phone: (614) 856-1900, EXT. 1247
E-mail: bkresnak@ama-cycle.org
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provision was rescinded and the city went back to a performance-based sound standard.

The AMA has a decades-long history of opposition to excessive motorcycle sound, and has hosted national
summits on the subject that have brought together riders, manufacturers, aftermarket companies, law-
enforcement officers and government officials. Those summits have resulted in the development of "Sound
Advice," a document that represents the motorcycle community's response to this contentious issue. Among
the groups that have supported that effort is ABATE of Colorado, which has issued a position paper warning
riders that they could face this kind of discriminatory enforcement because of growing public complaintsabout
traffic sound levels.

The AMA is contacting Denver City Council members in hopes of opening up a dialogue on this topic before
enforcement of the new law begins on July 1.

"We look forward to working with the Denver City Council to come up with a more reasonable solution for
dealing with excessive sound levels from traffic," Moreland said. "Our experience has shown that there are a
range of approaches cities can take to this issue without imposing restrictive laws on motorcyclists."
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The American Motorcyclist Association: rights. riding. racing. Founded in 1924, the AMA is a non-profit
organization with more than 280,000 members. The Association`s purpose is to pursue, protect and promote
the interests of motorcyclists, while serving the needs of its members. For more information, visit the AMA
website at www.AMADirectlink.com, or call (800) AMA-JOIN.
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[forum]

I don't understand why in Europe there are 10x more motorcyclists yet the sound emissions are much more strict and they aren't dying from it. You guys need to figure out how to make yourself more visible without disrupting everything around you.


That is one of the stupidest things I have ever seen you say.

[Aracheon]

I don't understand why in Europe there are 10x more motorcyclists yet the sound emissions are much more strict and they aren't dying from it. You guys need to figure out how to make yourself more visible without disrupting everything around you.


From the sound of it, you're obviously not a motorcycle rider. REGARDLESS of how visually obvious I make myself on the road, I guarantee you that the first idiot I see driving on their cell phone will NOT pay attention to me on my bike. At least once per week on my commute to work I have to contend with some blabbermouth cager on a phone who thinks that the conversation they're having is more important than their responsibility to drive the car they're in. Whether they're switching into my lane or coming up too hot behind me at a stoplight, these stupid traffic behaviours occur 95% of the time with a cell phone in hand. The point I'm making is that being more visible won't stop cagers from doing stupid shit in their cars; which is about the only instance where I will make myself a nuisance. So if breaking a noise law keeps that middle-aged woman in the oversized SUV from smashing me on the road because she needs to gossip on her cell phone, then so be it.


From the AMA.

Very good article.

[crazee303]

YYOOOOOO !!! I'M WITH ARACHEON !!!! This is bullshit....I just picked up my brand new carbon fiber full yoshi too.... Its those loud and annoying harley type cycles that wake people up at night. So is this ordinance only in Denver county or throughout CO.???

[Aracheon]

Denver county, is my understanding.

And Glenwood Springs... them fuckers will pull you over for blinking while driving.

[myshtern]

That is one of the stupidest things I have ever seen you say.
If you ever save up enough money to make it outside of colorado, let me know. Countries I've been to outside of the USA, I didnt hear a single disturbingly loud bike yet there were probably 5-10x more bike riders than I see here in Colorado.

[forum]

If you ever save up enough money to make it outside of colorado, let me know. Countries I've been to outside of the USA, I didnt hear a single disturbingly loud bike yet there were probably 5-10x more bike riders than I see here in Colorado.



Exactly, people are more aware of them so it's less of an issue. Of course here people are too busy paying attention to their cell phone, or eating, or putting on their make-up or something else to pay attention to the fact that they are piloting a multi-thousand pound machine capable of easily killing people.

[Aracheon]

Exactly, people are more aware of them so it's less of an issue. Of course here people are too busy paying attention to their cell phone, or eating, or putting on their make-up or something else to pay attention to the fact that they are piloting a multi-thousand pound machine capable of easily killing people.


Exactly my point. Exactly.


If you ever save up enough money to make it outside of colorado, let me know. Countries I've been to outside of the USA, I didnt hear a single disturbingly loud bike yet there were probably 5-10x more bike riders than I see here in Colorado.


Nobody gives a fuck, and that's a completely moot argument.

[crazee303]

Well i wont be going downtown with my bike anymore. .

[Aracheon]

Well i wont be going downtown with my bike anymore. .


As you should.

City riding isn't fun at all. Denver motorists are fucking idiots. Denver cops will pull you over if you're over 85dB. The chances of your bike getting stolen if you park it anywhere and can't keep your eyes on it are pretty damn good. The only reason I ride downtown at all is because I work there, I have a protected a private parking garage, and I can also park it on the sidewalk in front of my store where I can look at it all day long.

[crazee303]

tru. . . but i used to club a lot. Lots of bikers during club nights.

[guessinthe2000]

hey crazee check ur pms