Why the hell go import?

[Lptheory96]

:fro: Yo,
No hateing here, But I just need help understanding why youd wana go import than domestic, I mean, for under $30K You can get a camaro or something thats dang fast (vett motor) Or you can spend close to the same for an import yet have to spend $20k to get the stock peice of shayut 4 or 6 cyl motor to run with a stock domestic muscle car. even then its never all morot, its either alot of PSI from a SC or 50 gallons of NOS and 9000RPM revving, plus the things sound like shit, WHow ants to sounds liek a sick dog or 1000 bees? ok so you may argue the looks, dont get me wrong, alot of the "ricer" stuff doesnt look half bad, but then again, ALOT does, huge tail pipes and giant wings *shivers* and also any goober with a civic throws on a muffler tip and a spoiler and all the sudden they can outrun anything on the street. Liek I say, Yeah, There are fast imports, but its only the $60,000 ones, SO help me out with understanging this thing that seems to be infecting all the wigers eminem white hom eboys accross the US with backwards visors known as riceridios.;RoCkOn;

[gjcivic]

WOW, please tell me that is your CRX in the picture. That has to be THE COOLEST car I have ever seen. I bet you put a lot of work into it. Finally, an example of a truley quick Import..........

[Lptheory96]

lol, Actually, I wouldent mind haveing that (1) import, and hell no it aint mine, you can even see the beaterz.com logo. :P

[BluByU]

Ok, I can go to the junkyard and pick up a 71 Chevy LUV. Drop a bored and stroked 455 and supercharge it for less than 8 grand. And weighing in at 1500 pounds, will whip any camaro or vette. I personally know the stats because it's been done. So this whole arguement dosen't exactly hold a lot of ground with me. I can pick up my Gixxer 750 (already have a 600) and run 10's all day long and thats only, hmm 3200 for me. This world would be a hell of a lot more boring if everyone had the same car. Heartbeat of america? Heartbeat of hiroshima baby, all the way. Plus, look at current GM quality. ABS optional? Why is the Camaro off the assembly line? I know you started this thread with no intent of "hating" or anything like that, but why question someone's taste?

[gjcivic]

I don't understand why someone would want to drive around in a car that began falling apart as soon as it left the assembly line, uses WAY too much gas to get minimal power out of a motor that still uses the same basic design that somebody came up with 50 years ago. Also, if I even suggest to the insurance company that I am getting ANYTHING with a V8, my insurance will more then double.

So, PLEASE help me understand this thing that is infecting all these trailer park, white trash, pushrod loving people that like to watch cars go round and round in circles for hours on end...

Oh, and by the way, I still LOVE your CRX. You really should think about adding a big wing on the back. Did you know that those big aluminum wings add about 50 HP. If you get one that has Carbon fiber on it too, it will add about 60 hp. And I'm sure that your motor is a lot stronger then a honda motor, so you can probably run more like 200 GALLONS of NOS (by the way, make sure you pronounce it "NAWS", I dn't want you to look stupid around your car buddies). If you throw a "VTEC" sticker on that baby you'll gain another 20 HP.
Sorry, I'm all out of advice for now, but if you have anymore questions, let me know.
Oh, one more quetion, does your local track let you race your CRX, or do you have to wait unill your old enough to get a licence?

[stu]

Shouldn't this thread be in Off-Topic, oh wait, I remember, I read the first post. This has got to be an alter-ego (I've seen Newt-2 do this when I first joined). But just for the hell of it...

Why even go to school if your going to drop out in second grade? You have said some of the stupidest things that I have ever heard in my entire life. I don't even know where to start with this.

Should I start with the fact that a Viper only makes about 56hp a litter, if it even starts. Should I start with some new car price comparisons? Maybe I should take the path of used car resale values? I don't even think that I will waste my time pointing out the glaring similarities in the attitudes of the drivers of both types of cars. Did you catch all of that last one?

I can't really use reliability as an issue since all the cars are built pretty much the same, if you think that the interior of a Cavilier (or a Camaro for that matter) is any 1) nicer, 2) better construsted, 3) less squeak free, 4) more plush and/or luxurious than your everyday Acura Integra or Honda Civic or Mitshubishi Eclipse, you should probably keep on smoking at the pump. Speaking of which, you're there what, three... four times a week?

I'm too tired to keep going, so I have a few things to leave off with before someone else picks up where I left off (and they will)...
1) All of my best friends drive either Muatangs or Camaros, which I respect very much (gotta love RWD {that means Rear Wheel Drive}). You can find a thread about a Mustang that my cousin wants to build if you can manage to stumble into the thread. Hint: It's in this section.
2) There are plenty of those types of people around that you so pathetically tried to describe. And consider this...What type of cars do you think these people drove before the 80's when there was the big oil scare and no imports around? Did you think that this was a new bread of people? I like to refer to them as the uneducated, unfortunatly for you (because you're one of them), you couldn't figure that out for yourself. I am glad that I could help you fall into this realization. Maybe, just maybe, before you pass out on the couch in front of your broken T.V. playing that ever so popular Jerry Springer Uncensored video, with a Jim Bean clutched in your fat, oily (probably because you were out workin' on the BEAST again) hand, with your best pants that are missing a button with torn knees, your stained wife beater, and that Awesome tribal around your bicep....maybe if you can stay conscience long enough to think about the things that I've said, maybe there will be hope for you yet.

And hey, if the library lady kicks you out, and you don't have access to a computer for a couple of weeks, then, that's okay buddy. You can come back anytime to appologize for the things that you slured; making us all stupider in the process.

3) I think maybe you should visit a site called Colorado Street Racing. One of my fine comrades may have the honor of providing the website URL for you.

4) And finally, if you have managed to count as high as four, I would like to sing you a part of a little song that popped into my head as soon as I began struggling through your made up grammer and laughable spelling... it goes "Burn baby burn da da daaaa da dada, burn baby burn"

[stu]

Oh yeah, if you really think that it takes $20,000 to make any car as fast as an American V8 ( not close to but as fast as, if not faster) than you should probably contiue to use propane to fill up the ballons at your kid's birthday parties. If God is really caring enough about the human race, there will be a terrible accident that will kill you and mangle all of the guest's reproductive organs.

Now I won't be able to sleep tonight because I will be thinking about the horrible possiblity of you being promoted from a sign holder to a backhoe operator. God forbid.

Hey, you wouldn't happen to know (or being related to) the piece of shit dumbfuck that totaled my car would you. He kinda reminds me of you. Except you are obviously temporarily out of jail.

[TedR719]

I like my import.... you like your domestic.

to each his own.

[john]

I can pick up '93 mitsu eclipse GSX for around $2500, and if I put another $2500 into it I can be running low 12s / high 11s all day and all night. In beater/sleeper skin. Stoplight to stoplight killer. Drag strip v8killa. At 5800 feet above sea level. Even more vicious down lower.

I did just this above exercise a few yrs ago, but spent more than the $2500 on aftermarket goodies - I wasn't smart about buying parts at that time.

http://jsalmi.com/bandimere/101399/therace.ram <-- check that out. My car is in the far lane. And it ran in that trim every day, all day, for 2 yrs until I sold it to the current owner.

Why go to an import? Because kicking the shit out of a car sporting a motor with more than 2x (sometimes 3x) the displacement is somewhat fun. And the build quality of what we refer to as "domestic" cars is sorely lacking. The build quality on "imports" is highly superior to "domestics". I used to hate travelling on business due only being able to rent GM or Ford products while on the road. Ick Ick Ick. Ergonomics? Comfort? Style? No.

Hp per litre? My current car makes around 246 hp per litre at the crank, and around 216 hp per litre at the wheels. Is that too confusing? THen how about hp per cubic inch? 4.04 hp per cubic inch at the crank, 3.55 hp per cubic inch at the wheels. Please show me a "domestic" which can make that kind of power on a daily basis, and still be your main transportation. My car, up until I decided to offer it for sale, has been my daily driver. A 3 litre, big HP daily driver. I could drive it across the mountains to Utah if I like, since it's so well behaved. And once I got there it would still be happy.

I drive imports. My current import makes pretty good power. And it cost me nowhere near $60k. Please do a bit of homework before you open your mouth again and stuff in the other foot...

IMHO again.

[HONDA GHANDI]

Ok Ill bite, (I prolly shouldnt) YOU SUCK, Domestics suck Imports alwayz ownz joo. If you want Ill race your modded camaro with $35k invested against my bone stock import that revs to 9000 to the top of lookout mountain and back. If your car with the no ABS can even make it back. What was the weight of that thing again?
When you get a spare minute figure out the HP/Liter of that hog and get back to me. While you have the calculus book out, figure out your power to weight ratio.

[Brian]

Lets see, I could have spent 25k on a brand new mid 15 second mustang, or go with a turbo vw for less money, that stock is faster, inside is MUCH nicer, and is super easy to mod. For under a grand these cars can be in the low 14's at this altitude which is C5 vette territory.

[Violator]

What isnt impressive about a 4/6 cylinder engine hanging or beating a V8 powered domestic.

[2000SiVTEC]

Honestly I thought about buying a mustang then I went and looked at my VW and I decided it was nicer. I liked the build quality better, the fact that it is turbo charged, and that when I go to get rid of it the car will still have a decent amount of resale value left in it. Now don't tell me that a Mustang or some other type of domestic would hold the same kind of value becasue we know that is not true. Honestly I don't dislike domestics, but I prefer the import scene. Like john, I enjoy beating up on cars that have 2 and 3 times the displacement of my 1.8L. As far as price goes I think you are making a pretty arbitrary point there. You say for under 30k you can have a camaro that will out perform a import. Okay you got me there, for the most part that is true, but for under 30k you are getting a pretty base model camaro. I know this becasue I have looked and even then you are looking at 25-29k for a base model. Is it worth it to me to drop that kind of cash on a relatively base model car? No, I would rather have my 21k car that is fully loaded with ABS, Heated seats, heated mirrors and an 8 speaker sound system. And it can run with the cars you mentioned. Know I know to some people it may not matter, but does the Mustang or Camaro come standard with 6-8 airbags? I don't think they do. Now if I wanted to build myself a killer street/strip car I will go out and buy myself a 93+ TT supra. Then I can do BPU mods to it and be in the 12's at 5800asl. OR I can spend around 5k for a single turbo setup have have basically everything I need to have a 600-700 HP street/strip monster that will run into the 11's easy where we live and be even faster at sea level. And then I have a car that still costs me less than that new camaro that is so fast stock. Plus I think the technology behind getting a smaller displacement car to go fast is awesome. See contrary to what many people think there is a replacement for displacement in today's world (to a point). We call it technology, but that is just how I see things and I think many people on this board will agree with me. And from an economical standpoint, for many people they are better off not to have a domestic V8. These days insurance is expensive and so is gas. A person has to live within their means don't they? So wouldn't it be wiser to get a car that is cheaper on both those things and keep a little extra cash in the bank?

[stu]

I wonder how that Mustang does in the snow?

[SinisterWRX]

Originally posted by stu
if you really think that it takes $20,000 to make any car as fast as an American V8... than you should probably continue to use propane to fill up the ballons at your kid's birthday parties.


:D

[V8SpankR]

OK,my turn.

My car is a true daily driver with 112k on the odo and it's been down the strip at Bandi over 350 times since '96 and yes,it's had it's share of fix-its but with that much racing I expected it but even with only 16psi on my current turbo and still using the stock IC and injectors I'm right up behind a Viper and beating a ZO6 Vette. New 550 injectors and 5psi of boost and I have a shot at a high 12 and I can drive it cross country and drive it in the snow.

P.S. like John's Supra I still have power everything and a nice sound system and it's raced with the full interior.

[stu]

So where is your rubttle? I knew he'd get kicked out of the library!!

[john]

Realize the guy has 2 posts. Coming into a new house and talking mad crap is typical for a clueless newbie. :)

[stu]

Are you suggesting that he may be just a lump of clay that we can shape into a non-biased, car enthusiasest monster? Maybe I will tone down and watch a little more. Back Stu, BACK!!

[2000SiVTEC]

Originally posted by john
Realize the guy has 2 posts. Coming into a new house and talking mad crap is typical for a clueless newbie. :)

LOL!, Damn newbies. When will they learn:confused:

[Lptheory96]

heh, See, I knew id get a lot of hate from yall, and it always goes back to the redneck stereotype, all Im sayign is if I threw a Supercharger on a good v8 id be haveing somewhere like 450+ HP, what does a Supercharger do on a 99 Prelude for example? like 225HP or MABY close to 300? Thats worse than a stock Stang GT, even the older 5.0s did better than that on alot of models, Plus the smaller engines suck on torq. Look, If I see an import that can stand up with me il tip my hat to em, But it just pisses me off to see someone with there moms civic, ginat spoiler, fake NOS bottle, stickers of parts they will NEVER have, and a fart pipe out teh back and they think there hot shit. as far as gas milage, as I recall the new Camaro SS's got somewhere around 25+mpg on street, OH! and guess waht, it doesnt sound like shit whne its revved up, sounds mean, So yall go ahead and do yalls front wheel burn outs tryin to look cool with your 20Inch Tacome and fake shifting your auto. (lol) anyway. Il talk to you Asian wanabes later.
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[Lptheory96]

OH, And one more thing, There is a guy on the Ls1 form, he has a I think 9PSI SC prelude, every now and then he will beat a sorry driver with a v8, And I gotta respect the guy, thou he lusses an ass load, because and even so his car is like 100lbs lighter, and id like to see his car do at 4000 what the ls1 would do, aight, im gone, P3@c3e

[Lptheory96]

what the hell? are all you guys from CO? and as far a sthe how would that stang do in teh snow, He doesnt snow down here so I wouldent know.

[exciv2000]

tell ya what asswipe, bring your shitty domestic up to colorado and you'll see who's asian and who's white, who's rice and who's not, who's fast and who's slow, who will be giving the respect and who will be getting it! I guarantee there are plenty of imports here that will smoke the shit out of whatever you bring. so bring it! otherwise shut your piehole.

[exciv2000]

'kelvin McGill's Ford 'Lean mean rice eating machine'
BAHAHAHAH :rolleyes:

[exciv2000]

Dude that hood on your LX looks pretty ricey too! What is that in the background? Why, it looks like an IMPORT, let alone a HYUNDAI SUV. :rofl: Is that your boyfriend's car?

[exciv2000]

How much HP does each sticker add to your car? Really, a mustang? Could have fooled me, I thought it was a slocus

[exciv2000]

BTW, I took your overall vehicle rating down from 3 stars to 2. Enjoy that 'fix or repair daily' craptacular rustang. cya in the funny papers.

[Lptheory96]

Actually I had 5 stars on unstil I became an asshoel and started bashing ricers on forus with my webpage in the thing,, now its 2, lol, kinda funny, The SUV is my moms, yea its a import, but its not mine, its power sucks but hey its an SUV , its not meant to go 100mph in curves or anything, and that hood on my car is a 4" cowl induction, Hardly rice, it just needs painted, Yeah Im sure there are plenty of imports that could smoke me, take it there most likly got a ton of mods, or nosed or SC'd but whatever, if they can hold up with me thats fine, Look, I have no hate for yall, I just asked a simple question That I have always wondered. No reason to get all uptight about it.

[john]

Hey clueboy - check the name of the board you stumbled upon. High Altitude Imports. So yes - most of us are from up here where the real men know how to tune cars, and most of the v8 guys are "slow".

As far as hate - what the heck do you expect - coming onto this board and the first post you make is nothing but shit talking?

I don't hate. I just race. And kick the everloving crap out of nearly everything I come across. 450 hp v8? *yawn* - they are a dime a dozen. Bring me something that makes 650 rwhp consistently at altitude, which is also a daily driver. Without nitrous. They we'll compare notes.

Originally posted by Lptheory96
what the hell? are all you guys from CO? and as far a sthe how would that stang do in teh snow, He doesnt snow down here so I wouldent know.

[exciv2000]

and many a person responded to your question respectfully and with reason and intelligence. Grow up and turn 21 before you try and start shit with your elders, we'll make an ass of you everytime.

[Brian]

Originally posted by Lptheory96
Actually I had 5 stars on unstil I became an asshoel and started bashing ricers on forus with my webpage in the thing,, now its 2, lol, kinda funny, The SUV is my moms, yea its a import, but its not mine, its power sucks but hey its an SUV , its not meant to go 100mph in curves or anything, and that hood on my car is a 4" cowl induction, Hardly rice, it just needs painted, Yeah Im sure there are plenty of imports that could smoke me, take it there most likly got a ton of mods, or nosed or SC'd but whatever, if they can hold up with me thats fine, Look, I have no hate for yall, I just asked a simple question That I have always wondered. No reason to get all uptight about it.

If your ever over this way i'll run you anytime. I don;t ahve a "ton of mods either". Just a couple basic inexpensive bolt-ons. Your arguments are pretty weak so i'm really not sure what your point is. We have several domestic drivers on this board that we all race with and get along with fine. No hatred necessary, it's just a car man..........

BTW yes all of us are here in Colorado.

[BoraTurbo]

Hay dude, Bring your v8 up to colorado and race me. yes i drive a vw jetta family sedan that is an import. And yes i beat c5 vettes, camaro ss, mustang cobras, ws6's, and ford lightnings. All i have done to my engine is a chip and exhaust. thats about a grand worth of mods and i'll smoke your redneck ass all day and all night.

[stu]

The reason you got hate was from the comments like

"Or you can spend close to the same for an import yet have to spend $20k to get the stock peice of shayut 4 or 6 cyl motor to run with a stock domestic muscle car. even then its never all morot, its either alot of PSI from a SC or 50 gallons of NOS and 9000RPM revving, plus the things sound like shit, WHow ants to sounds liek a sick dog or 1000 bees?"

That wasn't all that tastefull.

"alot of the "ricer" stuff doesnt look half bad, but then again, ALOT does."

Just automatically assuming that because it is an import that it is riced out.

" and also any goober with a civic throws on a muffler tip and a spoiler and all the sudden they can outrun anything on the street."

Making the horrible assumption that everyone with an import is a moron. Not realizing that there are just as many morons driving domestics.

"Liek I say, Yeah, There are fast imports, but its only the $60,000 ones,"

Not having a clue what you are talking about.

And last of all, what the hell is this? "riceridios"

The one thing that you may not even know that you are somewhat right about, is that 4 cylinders don't benefit from a supercharger as much as a V8. However, with a turbo charger, watch out.

Also it is hard to be nice when you don't even respect us enough to spell check your posts.

[jojo]

You guys are funny. I've never seen so many cliche'd arguments. Really I expected better from this board.

[2000SiVTEC]

Honestly I dotn think the redneck comments are really necessary s we all kow not everyone who drives a mustang or camaro is that way. See the way I look at it is both scenes have their share of stupid people. that's jsut how it is. I thought myself along with others proposed valid arguments, but he chose not to respond to them. He is here just trying to take pop shots at most of us because we do not drive the type of car that HE likes......

[john]

i love you 'supercharged si fuckers who have always been dicks' guys...

[gjcivic]

Originally posted by 2000SiVTEC
Honestly I dotn think the redneck comments are really necessary s we all kow not everyone who drives a mustang or camaro is that way.

I didn't think that he was a redneck because he drives a stang... I KNOW he is a redneck because he is on here starting shit instead of being productive...

low productivity + general ignorance regarding mechanics = retarded red neck.

I would sure as hell do some research before saing something stupid. IMHO that is why most of us like cars. Not domestics, not imports, but all cars. I personally perfer imports, but thats me. Others have their reasons for perfering domestics. I enjoy riding in other cars. One of our contractors just bought a chevelle SS (can't remember year, think 69?? I'm ignorant:p ) It ran mid 11's in montana... WAY bad ass car.

Guess my comments were meant to try to go down to his level...

Oh, and wouldn't worry about him coming to denver to race... doubt his mommy would let him drive the car she bought for him that far... besides, what are the chances it would make it??????:gapteeth:

[gjcivic]

come on hre flamin, And I'll just stoke the fire :D

[exciv2000]

Originally posted by gjcivic

Oh, and wouldn't worry about him coming to denver to race... doubt his mommy would let him drive the car she bought for him that far... besides, what are the chances it would make it??????:gapteeth:

:rofl:

[V8SpankR]

Originally posted by Lptheory96
all Im sayign is if I threw a Supercharger on a good v8 id be haveing somewhere like 450+ HP,
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A supercharger cost several grand,with a TT Supra you can throw on a filter,turbo back exhaust and a manual boost controller and only spend a little over a $1000 and net nearly 500 crankhorse of of a 3.0L engine on the stock turbos. John's Supra was getting around 430hp to the ground with these basic mods. Another plus is the Toyota 3 liter is good for about 700 crankhorse on the stock internals.

[john]

I'm making in excess of 700 crank HP on the stock internals today. :)

[jojo]

Originally posted by john
I'm making in excess of 700 crank HP on the stock internals today. :)

Isn't that SAE hp?

[HONDA GHANDI]

Fuck your mother. Imports rule. How can you compare a pushrod, land yacht to a highly tund piece of amchinery to a domestic. They are cheaper for a reason. Ever heard the term "get what you pay for?" It comes downto this, if you have the money, what ever you own can be fast. Ask MiniMonster. he knows all about modding his mommas car.

[HONDA GHANDI]

If it looks like I cant spell its because its midnignt and Im sligtly drunk "Yall" (talk about a redneck stereotype)

[AcuraBro]

Alright, so here's how it is.

I love your stereotype of us Import people. See, you come on, making the assumption that we all are sporting stickers, big wings, lightbulbs, and NOS.

Looks like you've watched a tad too much of some unnamed movie. That movie is a disgrace. Now everyone assumes I have a Nitrous bottle. Not any nitrous bottle, specifically NOS brand name. I also have underbody green neon lights and a big wing, and an exhaust that is "too big".

Ok buttercup, my "HONDA" is putting out over 200hp per liter. Yes, a 1.8L that makes ~400hp. Sure, claim that your buddy, your unkle, or your best friend's brother down the street has a Supercharger on his V8 that makes __X__ amount of horsepower. That's fine and dandy, but it's just another number. Several other factors like weight, traction, and total HP and torque under the power/torque curves on the dyno are the true factor.

Sorry to the JRSC fellas, but Supercharged Hondas, regardless of the application are not ment to be cars which are purpose built to take down muscle cars on the street. If you want to talk about drag racing inteded forced induction. Look at turbos, not roots superchragers. Superchargers on Hondas aren't hardly super.

Hondas were ment for fuel economy, high-value cars which can also be a tad bit sporty. Cousin Cletus' car, built in the 60's w/ a smallblock V8 was ment to drag, and maybe drive as well. Muscle cars were built in a socioeconomic climate which didn't have to worry about polution, fuel economy, urban practicality, etc. Current cars were. Bottom line.


Can I convince you that our cars are better than yours, or billy bob's down the street? I don't think so, and I don't think anything any of us could say would change your mind. It's a pride issue here, not a matter of what's better.

If you want to talk budget, I have a 12/11 second (11-10 sec in Alabammer) car which can be assembled for ~ $10,000. Want me to break it down for you?


88-91 Honda Civic Hatchback $1500
'94-'01 B18C1 Acura Integra GS-R engine $3000
Turbo kit $2500
Complete Engine build to handle 15-20psi $4000


Estimated HP- 450 @ 20psi
Chasis weight, stripped- 1850lbs

That's 4lbs/hp buttercup, We're looking at possible 9 second passes in Alabammer. Need to drive it everyday? Fine. Turn the boost down to 12psi and get 28mpg. Pay the insurance on the 10+ yr old car w/ a 92hp engine.

'Nuff said.

[grndcont]

these guy's are like project managers, they swoop in, stir up a bunch of shit, and take off. never to be seen from again. worthless people with stubborn ego's. becouse there fathers told them this is how it is, unable to handle change and tecnolagy.
I fear for gm and fords future. these are the type of consumers that they are trying to please.

[grndcont]

also, how simple does raceing have to be for these guy's to understand it? nascar? grow up, throw away your m-frame oakleys, and take a look at a real race car(F-1).

[jojo]

Some of these hp estimates seem a little.. well... optimistic.

[HONDA GHANDI]

I wouldnt try to explain F1 to this guy just yet. Too complicated for him to understand. It wouldnt interest him anyway, there isnt 400 lead changes a minute and a firey crash every other. We should start with INDY becasue at least it has a V8 and they go left. He can at least understand that.

[B20civic]

the ignorance is strong with this one.

[john]

I don't know, and it doesn't matter. :) :)

Originally posted by jojo


Isn't that SAE hp?

[stu]

This thread just keeps on going and going. The guy probably isn't even here anymore.:D

[jojo]

Originally posted by john
I don't know, and it doesn't matter. :) :)



Sure it does. One is real and the other isn't.

[john]

I honestly don't know. The numbers were made on the Dynojet at Dyno Pro in Denver, during an Fbody dyno day.

[AcuraBro]

Some of these hp estimates seem a little.. well... optimistic.

Why? This motor doesn't even have VTEC and it puts out nearly 100 more whp than what I'm talking about with Motec, sure w/ about 6 more psi. I stand true w/ my estimate.

http://www.importreview.com/dyno/turbo/LS1.gif

Sure it does. One is real and the other isn't.

What is fake HP? Explain this.

[BluByU]

Holy jeebus that is a nice Dyno graph!

[jojo]

From what I've seen most of the SAE hp plots at this elevation are using correction factors up to 1.20. For an intercooled turbo motor that's just not realistic IMO.

If you look at the Colorado boards you'll notice a frequent disconnect between dyno numbers and trap speeds. Up here I would use your mph as a better indicator of actual engine output.

Acurabro, at that power level and weight you're looking at 140mph traps. There's definitely something to be said for a lightweight chassis. When do you expect to have it at the track running full boost?

[Violator]

Better be careful with that dyno chart, those numbers are alittle too high for Lptheory96 to comprehend. Besides he may cross out the specs with a Crayola crown and write something like chevy, dodge, or worse...Ford.

[Mark_H]

"why the hell go import"

Easy.

To see the looks on all the V8 guys faces when I blow by them.

:)

M

[B16crxTurbo]

Originally posted by 01ITR#700
"why the hell go import"

Easy.

To see the faces on all the V8 guys faces when I blow by them.

:)

M

So very well said!! And why would we want to all be the same?

[b18cya-T]

hehe, i just posted on his cardomain site
my sn there is sk8rgod999

[newt2]

I like my car, it's fun to drive and they made a very limited quantity of them. It's not the fastest thing on four wheels, but it's not slow either.

That's the only reason I need.

Oh and if you want to talk dollar per horsepower, please don't bing up a $30,000 car. That's just dumb.

[Violator]

I just recently talked to my friend with a 97 mustang, it's supercharged putting down 475 hp. When I asked him how his car was running his reply was "It's running good, it hasnt broken down for about a month and a half now." Also keep in mind that his car had just broke down (blew the serpentein belt, and the interior shorted everything out and started to smoke). It's also his second motor, he blew the first one acouple of months after he put his supercharger on. Now should we compare that with the reliability of say John's Supra, or even better 1/4 mile times.

[stu]

I think that since this guy is probably long gone, all his money should be donated to me, since it was my idea.

[nolimitsoldier]

my car is slow...

[BluByU]

I like math

[Violator]

Math sucks...or at least my math grades did.

[jojo]

Originally posted by ViolatorRH00
I just recently talked to my friend with a 97 mustang, it's supercharged putting down 475 hp. When I asked him how his car was running his reply was "It's running good, it hasnt broken down for about a month and a half now." Also keep in mind that his car had just broke down (blew the serpentein belt, and the interior shorted everything out and started to smoke). It's also his second motor, he blew the first one acouple of months after he put his supercharger on. Now should we compare that with the reliability of say John's Supra, or even better 1/4 mile times.

Blowing up your motor is user error. That has nothing to do with anything. John just took out his motor not too long ago. Does that make a Supra a POS? Hardly.

[john]

I have in excess of 700 optimistic crank HP. Uncorrected probably more like 615 crank hp and 520 wheel HP.

[forum]

jojo, well we all know its user error on the mustang's part, the guy also put his supercharger on backwards(i didn't think that was possible) and wondered why it wasn't working

[Violator]

I'm just more for Honda's. I cant stand fords because most of their drivers are @ssholes. Not all though, and I have seen some nice ford's and some of the people who drive them are really cool.

[exciv2000]

Originally posted by ViolatorRH00
...I cant stand fords because most of their drivers are @ssholes. ...

DUDE, my sentiments EXACTLY!!!

Plus it's fun breaking the poor redneck's self esteem when he thinks his V8 owns all... I've witnessed them get so frustrated it looks like they are going to :cry: and I'm :rofl:

[jojo]

Originally posted by exciv2000
Plus it's fun breaking the poor redneck's self esteem when he thinks his V8 owns all...

So who's stereotyping now?

[exciv2000]

Originally posted by jojo


So who's stereotyping now?

I am !!! :D

[HONDA GHANDI]

Not much of a troll. I eat bigger peices of shit than him for breakfast. ;)

[HONDA GHANDI]

guess no one got the humor in that. :(

[stu]

Happy Gilmor?

[Talonstylz]

you eat pieces of shit for breakfast ;)

[12seccivy]

ok ok gang, this thread is turning into a hate forum..
we all know what the imports are capable of(and the domestics)
and we all have our own reasons for our choices.
but i'd be willing to bet that just about everyone in this club would own a c5 vette if $ was not an object, i know i would..
but i'd stick to the imports the same,only things would get done a lot faster...yeah!!

[SC-MECHAM-WS6]

dont mind me....just post whoring through...

[SinisterWRX]

why ask why?

[HONDA GHANDI]

Originally posted by 12seccivy
ok ok gang, this thread is turning into a hate forum..
we all know what the imports are capable of(and the domestics)
and we all have our own reasons for our choices.
but i'd be willing to bet that just about everyone in this club would own a c5 vette if $ was not an object, i know i would..
but i'd stick to the imports the same,only things would get done a lot faster...yeah!!


Sorry dad....:Beer:

[stu]

When you say money is no object. Do you mean, we would discontinue making dollar bills, and everything would be a wire transaction?

Or do you mean I could finally drop the motor out of my Integra and throw it into a golf cart?

[stu]

Originally posted by 12seccivy
ok ok gang, this thread is turning into a hate forum..
we all know what the imports are capable of(and the domestics)
and we all have our own reasons for our choices.
but i'd be willing to bet that just about everyone in this club would own a c5 vette if $ was not an object, i know i would..
but i'd stick to the imports the same,only things would get done a lot faster...yeah!!

I think your just jealous because the betterhalf is making bank off of this thread.

Never mind, I thought this was the rice thread, my bad.

[gjcivic]

Uhhh, you know what they say, once you go import, you never go back... I'm sure someone said that. Maybe not...

Hell, I'm just a stupid whore......

[HONDA GHANDI]

:rofl: Whores unite!!!!

[gjcivic]

WHORE POWER:fro:

[stu]

WHORE, HUH, what are they good for, absolutely nothin' WHORE, HUH, GOOD GOD Y'ALL!!

[civic4doors]

everybody is a WHORE once in their life

[gjcivic]

rofl @ the Stu-man......

[HONDA GHANDI]

Whory Cow! Those damn mongorians knock down my shitty wall!

(very badly translated southpark episode)

[V8SpankR]

Hi :D:D:D:D:D:D

[Talonstylz]

im king post whore

[95GSRB18C]

your a loser paul, lol

[stu]

damn bank fees.

[Violator]

Banks suck, I thought they where they to hold the money, but now they just take the money.

[Lptheory96]

heh, I so aint got time to read all the reposnses, but when you say you can buy a $8000 engine from japan and talking about how much cheaper and easyer to mod it is, teh fact that true ricers start out with an engine swap contradicts that, and as far as $800 motor for like a 245hp 4 banger? DO you know the motor I could get for $8000? Ok, Lets run some numbers on for ex. my car, I but a 380HP all motor 5.8 for about $4000 or $5000 (im looking in a magazine now) Just to make it fair im gonan say $2000 for a Supercharger thou I could easly get one for $1200+, so now im running like 490HP and an ass load of tour for less then it took you to ship a POS motor from the otehr side of teh world. Im now running very low ets while your installing your v-tec, and the best part of it is its still a daily driver, even highway compatible, no wut? huh?

[Lptheory96]

edit. $800 = $8000

[Mark_H]

Spell check is your friend. I'm sorry but I cannot comprehend your post above.
M

[HONDA GHANDI]

Yeah but youre still driving a p.o.s. you fucktard.
Did you even graduate high school?

[newt2]

I so aint got time to read all the reposnses,

Judging from that sentance alone, he's definitely from Alabama.

[HONDA GHANDI]

:rofl: I was thinking like tennessee or somthing. Either way he fucks his sister.'ass:

[justin]

Oh my lord...

[HONDA GHANDI]

Well he came looking for a good old fashioned import/domestic flame war, who am i to deny him a tussle?

[b18cya-T]

Originally posted by Lptheory96
edit. $800 = $8000



there's a button for that...it's called edit, Cletus

[john]

I love trolls. Esp smackers!

[02GTI1.8t]

:rofl: stupid trolls:rofl:

[exciv2000]

:rofl: at Tobi's comments

[HONDA GHANDI]

I guess Im doing a public service, I give em what they came for.

[SleeperZ]

Originally posted by Lptheory96
heh, I so aint got time to read all the reposnses, but when you say you can buy a $8000 engine from japan and talking about how much cheaper and easyer to mod it is, teh fact that true ricers start out with an engine swap contradicts that, and as far as $800 motor for like a 245hp 4 banger? DO you know the motor I could get for $8000? Ok, Lets run some numbers on for ex. my car, I but a 380HP all motor 5.8 for about $4000 or $5000 (im looking in a magazine now) Just to make it fair im gonan say $2000 for a Supercharger thou I could easly get one for $1200+, so now im running like 490HP and an ass load of tour for less then it took you to ship a POS motor from the otehr side of teh world. Im now running very low ets while your installing your v-tec, and the best part of it is its still a daily driver, even highway compatible, no wut? huh?

Well, I'm not a ricer, so maybe this doesn't apply to me...

I have a $2500 car, bought a turbo engine for $150 (not $1500 or $15,000, but $150), put another $2500 in turbo and intercooler stuff, and I run low 13's for less than $6000 TOTAL. It's gonna take a 5.SLO with a supercharger and many upgrades to touch that, not to mention many more upgrades for that same POS to keep up with me at Second Creek (lots of cheap brake upgrades and factory suspension on a Z keep me going there).

So there you have it - a cool looking car that rocks on the strip and the track and the street for less $ than a stock ford. Decision was easy.

[HONDA GHANDI]

Word. Now that I think about it, I have a two year old civic that I have less than $5000 into and I am turning high 13's in. I guess If I really wanted to i could drag it out to second creet too and have a good ol time. I for sure would spank the shit out of a 5.0 thats is worth 5k.

[jojo]

Originally posted by SleeperZ

It's gonna take a 5.SLO with a supercharger and many upgrades to touch that

Hardly. A friend of mines old 5.0 with a stock motor, D1 supercharger and exhaust ran a 12.52 up here on pump gas. That car wasn't even remotely tuned. I think he only got one real trip to the track with that combo before he tore into the motor for the next season.

[Thrash-it]

I got the Civ first because its reliable, and it was kinda cheap then slowly as I could afford it added performance parts.
Now the Chevelle I got it running faster (by a couple thousanths) than a buddys 02 SS, and have 8K in it including buying the car, and some balls-out axle.

[SleeperZ]

Originally posted by jojo


Hardly. A friend of mines old 5.0 with a stock motor, D1 supercharger and exhaust ran a 12.52 up here on pump gas. That car wasn't even remotely tuned. I think he only got one real trip to the track with that combo before he tore into the motor for the next season.

My case is made. Sure don't see many like that at Bandimere...they either run 15s or they run 11s and 10s.

[jojo]

Originally posted by SleeperZ


My case is made. Sure don't see many like that at Bandimere...they either run 15s or they run 11s and 10s.

That's because the vast majority of Mustang owners up here have no idea how to modify a car with the limitations of elevation in mind. 95% seem to focus on NA mods which do very little up here. But that's not a limitation of the platform, as you imply, it's a limitation of the owner's understanding.

[john]

My dad can beat up your dad etc etc etc.

It's all in what pulls your trigger, dontcha think? Personally I love the idea of a forcefed v8. That turbo mustang thing just keeps running aorund in the back of my head...

[tweeker125]

I bought my 92' plymouth laser turbo, for about 3000, and put about 600 dollars into it, and now it runs low 14's, and its the front wheel drive not all wheel, i don't think a mustang or a camaro, or even a corvette can do that for that kinda money, if there is one tell me about it

[V8SpankR]

Originally posted by tweeker125
I bought my 92' plymouth laser turbo, for about 3000, and put about 600 dollars into it, and now it runs low 14's, and its the front wheel drive not all wheel, i don't think a mustang or a camaro, or even a corvette can do that for that kinda money, if there is one tell me about it

Nitrous will put all those cars into the 13s and it can be done for $600. I know it's cheatin' a little and your's can do it without a refill. My friend's drove his bone stock 2002 SS Camaro ran a 14.3 which is pretty damn good since most C5 Vette drivers struggle to consistently run 14.5s.

[SleeperZ]

Originally posted by jojo


That's because the vast majority of Mustang owners up here have no idea how to modify a car with the limitations of elevation in mind. 95% seem to focus on NA mods which do very little up here. But that's not a limitation of the platform, as you imply, it's a limitation of the owner's understanding.

I agree that most domestic V8 racers make marginally effective N/A mods. And I also agree the 5.0 stang platform is not limited, at least for drag racing. However that's not the whole story - not many used supercharger or turbo kits for the 5.0 are around, and new is $$$. My specific platform is blessed with an overbuilt factory turbo engine that bolts in, light weight, easy tunability and room under the hood for modifications. There are lots of factory brake options for next to no money as well - not much need for $$$ aftermarket stuff. Hell, even domestic fans are known to just drop a V8 in a 1st gen Z and run 14s and 13s, with no driveline mods needed.

[HONDA GHANDI]

Darius' car comes to mind. Possibly the sickest street Z to ever live.