LS/VTEC??????????

["stock"DA]

ok so i have a gsr head and intake mani and b18a1 block. i used the golden eagle kit and a ls head gasket. did everything just like the book said to do for timming and torque specs. not leaking oil or coolant. and i have spark and fuel. sounds like no compression but i dont have a comp tester. anyone?

[sirtef9]

the ls head gasket line up with the gsr head alright?, ive always only used vtec head gaskets for this, whats the condition of the head? did you put back the rocker arms the same place they were removed from? each one of those is set for where it sits, if there moved it could be to tight or loose , sticking a valve open, thatd explain no compression maybe

[HondaPower]

And the question is.... anyone?

[sirtef9]

And the question is.... anyone?
lol guess that was the only real question:drink:

["stock"DA]

i never removed the rocker arms. i was told to use the ls head gasket and it linned up fine and sat on the head and block fine with the GE dowel pins.

[sirtef9]

ok double checking, does it actually turn over...or turn over weak ? I have a compression tester as well, I see you got the fuel rail issue resolved?

[marcrx5]

Firing order?

["stock"DA]

yes i got the fuel rail taken care of. a friend just said if im off a tooth on the timming belt it wont fire. yes or no? yes it turns over just weak and if wont actually start.

[sirtef9]

very true, if its off a tooth and the dizzy is off too, double check timing, usually where not starting problems lie when you have spark and fuel

[M@]

Out of curiousity, did you remember to plug the correct oil passage hole on the head?

[marcrx5]

yes i got the fuel rail taken care of. a friend just said if im off a tooth on the timming belt it wont fire. yes or no? yes it turns over just weak and if wont actually start.

It will start up if it's a tooth off, it will just be gutless. But definately recheck your timing.

[sirtef9]

is your dizzy set in the middle?

["stock"DA]

yes the dizzy is in the middle i even tryed moving it to see if it would start, no luck. M@ yes i plugged the right hole on the head. it wont start at all so i dont know how far it is off. i have never timmed a "B" series so its all new to me. ive done a d series and a h23 but i had to have a friend help me fix the h23 cause it was off but it ran. so im lost i just hope its not the head gasket.

[M@]

Well, if you set the dizzy in the middle, it should at least be able to start up. What causes combustion? Spark, fuel, and air. So either you have no compression, bad timing (not sparking at the right time, obviously), not enough fuel, not enough spark, or there's a big ass dildo stuck in your throttle body.

[sirtef9]

since youve never done timing on here, my bets that. Can you get pix of the lower crank pulley mark, and then one of where the cams lie, then well go from there

["stock"DA]

M@ i removed the dildo from the TB but i still think its a good power adder!! i will see if i can find my digital camera and take some pics. or if anyone wants to come over and look they are welcome to.

[M@]

:rofl:

What city are you in?

[sirtef9]

287 2073 hit me up in 45 min, ill be up north and can swing by...

["stock"DA]

im in the springs

["stock"DA]

ok i got it running. i was a retard and put one of the cams 180 out. so now it runs i will do some tunning and drive it later and i will post more when i do that.

[Deceptakhan]

Lol nice to meet you.

[sirtef9]

Glad to help...

["stock"DA]

ok guys. i drove the car and it felt like it was being held back. when vtec hit i herd it but didnt feel anything. if feels slower than my LS head. i also threw a CEL. when i looked it was 6 long flashes followed immediatly by 8 short flashes. any sugestions?

[M@]

Check your compression. With it being that far off, I'm wondering if you slapped a valve.

["stock"DA]

ok i wil do that. i dont get a CEL with my LS ecu. and i can hear it "pinging" or "knocking" really bad after 3k rpm. but it idles fine, wouldnt it not idle right if i bent a valve?

[M@]

Heh, well there's why VTEC isn't engaging. You need to use a VTEC ECU.

["stock"DA]

the vtec ecu throws a code 68 the ls ecu dont throw any code.

[M@]

Are you sure it's code 68? I'm not finding that code anywhere.

And plain and simple, if you're running a VTEC head, don't run a freaking non-VTEC ecu. It's really as simple as that.

[marcrx5]

ok i got it running. i was a retard and put one of the cams 180 out. so now it runs i will do some tunning and drive it later and i will post more when i do that.

No trying to pick on you, but if you can't time the engine you probably should leave the tuning to someone who knows what they're doing.

As far as the engine not pulling as strong as it should, it could still be out of time (did you have someone help you this time?), or as Matt said, you may have bent some valves if you were 180 off on one of the cams. It might still run, depending on the damage, but you'd probably notice a change in the exhaust note. I'd recheck timing again, troubleshoot the code, and do a compression test.

What vtec ECU are you using?

["stock"DA]

im running a PW0 chipped. that ecu was throwing code 68. there is no code 68. so a friend decided to see what the car would run like with my ls ecu. it didnt throw a code. so thats why i ran a non-vtec ecu in the car!!!!!!!!!! im going to recheck timming it might be a tooth off, that would explain the lacking of power. i think my vtec ecu might be toast. i think compression is fine cause the car idles fine. but i will do a comp test today and post all the numbers for you. i also dont know if im running a cold enough plug. thank you everyone for making me look like a retard.

[marcrx5]

Stock temperature plugs should work great for this.

[M@]

Run an NGK BKR6E-11. You can find them at Advance Auto.. about $1.60/each. When they tell you they don't carry those anymore, tell him to stfu and walk his bitch ass to the back and look, and odds are he'll find them with the cross reference number (4 digit number.. like 5411 or something stupid like that).

What OBD are you?

[Deceptakhan]

Hes obd-0.

[M@]

Hmmm.. running a conversion harness? What OBD is his dizzy?

["stock"DA]

im running the BKR6E-11 plugs. im running a obd-0 vtec dizzy. i just looked and the timming is off a tooth maybe 2. ill reset that and see what hapens. after its set ill do a comp test. if i didnt mention it i have jdm type r pistions so its higher compression. im running 91 octane do i need higher? also what fuel pressure do i need? im running stock gsr FPR and fuel rail.

[M@]

Get it on a dyno with a VAFC at the very least. With you having those higher dome pistons, I'd especially be concerned with a valve slapping one of your pistons now. Let us know the results from the compression test.

["stock"DA]

ok i will be doing the comp test in a min. civictyper is on his way over to help with the timming then i will do the test. i cant afford a vafc unless someone on here has one for cheap.

["stock"DA]

ok i timmed it dead on and it has a little more power now but vtec dont kick all that well. i did a comp test and you are not going to believe what numbers i got...... 190psi in ALL cylinders!!!!!!! and i have a witness to that!!!! im still pinging really bad its running way lean!!!!! WTF do i do?

[M@]

Dude, what in the hell aren't you understanding about what I said here?

Heh, well there's why VTEC isn't engaging. You need to use a VTEC ECU.

["stock"DA]

im running a PW0 ecu!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! chipped to remove the knock sensor!!!!!!!

[M@]

But you just said a little bit ago you were running an LS ecu...?

If you're running a VTEC ecu, check your oil, and make sure your VTEC solenoid is plugged in, and to the right plug.

["stock"DA]

i used my ls ecu to see if it would throw a code i put my PW0 back in. i checked the connectors and they are good. and i should have good oil pressure with the golden eagle kit. a friend says im running too much compression and not enough fuel thats why vtec isnt kicking strong its running too lean.

[civictypr]

He only ran the ls ecu to try and start eliminating some isuues with engine codes and knock/ping. Im guess the octane of the fuel most likely is not high enough for the compression that is yielded with jdm itr pistons, and gsr head.

[M@]

Ummm 91 octane will be fine with the ITR pistons.. you have something else going on, bud. Did you actually put oil in your motor? Also, is your car warm before you're attempting to hit vtak?

[civictypr]

We looked this thing over and over. Oil level is perfect, timing perfect, temp is good before hitting vtec (operating temp), evrything appears to be on the $

[M@]

My guess would be a bad vtec solenoid, or I'd probably lean more towards a bad ECU since it's throwing that weird code that doesn't seem to exist.

["stock"DA]

yes the engine has oil and yes its warm before i try to hit vtec.

[civictypr]

No more code anymore. Still knock/ping pretty good.

[M@]

I still stick to what I said before.

[Slava]

Who put the motor together?

["stock"DA]

does anyone have an obd0 ecu i could test?

["stock"DA]

i put the top end on and the bottom end was built by a shop i dont know which one.

[2genCRX]

ill sell you a pr3 ecu obd0 b16

["stock"DA]

PMD. ok so im going to run the stock type r plugs they are a bkr7e-11. and i got a AFPR. and i put 1 gallon of 130 unleaded octane in to help boost the 91. so i hope that stuff helps the "pinging" problem.

[M@]

..........oh my.

[Deceptakhan]

..........oh my.

lol

["stock"DA]

why the oh my? i have a full tank of 91 so whats the prob there? i also needed the colder plugs cause im running better than type r compression so it only makes sense to use type r plugs. and AFPR is just a precausion. im begining to wonder if you guys think im stupid. i did my homework before i did any of this. so M@ why do think im a 2 year old girl with down syndrome? yes im not a 200 yr old honda GOD, but im learning and i have worked on cars for about 10 yrs. ive only been into hondas for about 2yrs so im sorry that i dont have all the answers im just following the advise of people who have been doing this for a while. so im sorry to all for any trouble i caused by asking questions.

[M@]

I said oh my because you're just randomly doing shit to your car without knowing the effects or the possible risks. I really didn't know that at the very least TRYING a new ECU would be such a damn task. Carry on, though.. it's your motor.

["stock"DA]

well i dont have another vtec ecu to try and nobody here jumped to let me try theres so i tryed my ls again to see if it would get rid of the knock and it didnt. so im trying the things that i was told to try by a few honda guys i know. both of them have done this stuff i have see there work. so when they told me the things to try thats what im doing. the cars runs ok just not a lot of power and a bad detonation/too lean my plugs were a light brown almost white. that says way too lean. so im trying things to get that prob taken care of. i was just asking on here to see if i got the same response and if you guys new any other tricks.

[M@]

It's cool, I understand. The plugs are fine, nothing wrong with trying that. I was just kind of wondering why you were so quick to throw such a high octane race fuel in.. it's cool though. Let us know how is works out.. best of luck.

[sirtef9]

I have a stock pr3 for cheap

["stock"DA]

PMD. i dont know if i can afford to run this motor i might just do a full gsr swap. ill let you guys know.

["stock"DA]

ok im doing a full gsr swap. any suggestions or advise?

[erick garcia]

wat is your compression ratio? i ran my old ls/vtec with itr pistons and gsr head and ctr cams on 91 octane and never had a problem it just wasted alot of oil but that was cause id beat the fuck out off that motor. i threw cels too but neva took care off it. also iwas running this motor with a jdm ctr ecu and it would not pull that hard. so i put a mugen and it pulled normal again. but my shit was like yours too that vtec would hit and it would not pull like it should.

[Dsmboi50]

1st off listen to advice in here, they know more than you.
2nd stop just trying to do random stuff to fix it.. 130 octane wont make vtec engage and your car shouldnt be pining on 91 octane, how do u know it is pinging? are you monitoring the knock sensor via logger?
whats your base timing at? im not talking like timing belt tooth timing, etc, im talking base timing that you set with a timing gun

["stock"DA]

i did listen to the advise here. civictyper came over and helped me do some of the stuff and even he couldnt figure it out. i set the timing with a timming gun to the middle mark on the crank pulley that where diseptikan told me to set it when he was here. i put the gallon of 130 to help raise the octane of the 91. civictyper agreed with me that it was a ping you could hear it. he has been doing this for a while so i trust him. i dont have a logger or any other expensive pos like that. all i wanted was some help from here and all i got was friggen people asking me why im not a fucking car god and i should be doing things the honda god way. thank you everone for the help im running a full gsr now so no worries.

[Deceptakhan]

sell me your header!!!

[erick garcia]

if you had a octane problem cause your compression is so high then your shit probably would of detonated already wen you pushed it and tryed to hit vtec anyways if you taking apart your ls/vtec sell me you ls block bare i am in need of one lmk

[M@]

If he had an octane problem? :rofl: Do you even know what you're saying?

[eg_project]

Get someone with a wideband and see your afr's. You probably just need a tune to put a little more fuel in so you don't ping/detonate from having too little.

["stock"DA]

Im putting in a stock gsr engine next weekend and i traded the ls/vtec engine for it. i got a few other things also to make the trade even. so ill let you guys know if i run into any problems doing the swap. thanks.