Need clutch advice

[exciv2000]

Okay, I've determined that I don't know a whole lot about clutches, but it's something that I'm needing (unless an adjustment will work fine, I have no idea... I should have Butch check it out when I get some time)

However, doing some research, I've found a few clutches which might do the trick.

here they are:
EXEDY:
08-801A has 69% increase in TQ, organic single plate, can get it for $259.
08-902A has 133% increase in TQ, Cerametallic single plate, can get it for $379.

ACT:
HC5-HDSS has 50% increase in TQ, holding about 223 TQ, Heavy Duty pressure plate with Organic street disc for $324.
HC5-HDR6 has 50% increase in TQ, holding about 285 TQ, Heavy Duty pressure plate with 6 puck disc for $320.
HC5-XTSS has 100% increase in TQ, holding about 270 TQ, Xtreme pressure plate with Organic street disk for $379
HC5-XTR6 has 100% increase in TQ, holding about 350 TQ, Xtreme pressure plate with 6 puck disc for $374

Clutchmasters:
08-022-HD00 is Stage I with 70% increase in TQ, organic street disc, for $292.
08-022-HDKV is Stage II with 70% increase in TQ, Carbon/Kevlar disk for $456.
08-022-HDTZ is Stage III with 110% increase in TQ, segmented Carbon/Kevlar for $456.

Also found some flywheels (I'm only interested in Aluminum flywheels):
Fidanza for $309
Clutchmasters for $290

I'm thinking I don't need anything like a Stage III or anything that strong, but I do abuse it a bit when racing, and would like to have a clutch that will last through 240 WHP roughly at the top end for years to come. What would everyone recommend? I'm kindof partial to ACT clutches because I know they are good quality, but I've heard good things about all these clutches. Money isn't that big of an object. Harsh engagement is not really that big of an issue for me so long as it doesn't chatter... I don't do a mixture of city and highway driving... not sure if a 6 puck clutch would wear my foot out because I do tend to slip the clutch off the line at a stop light rather than wanting to drop it, so maybe a street disc would be better? But I do drop the clutch hard when racing, so will a street disc handle that? Gimme Ideas.

Also, if anyone has better pricing on any of the above clutches, please let me know... most of these were off of groupbuycenter.com

Thanks!
Scott

[12seccivy]

Originally posted by exciv2000
Okay, I've determined that I don't know a whole lot about clutches, but it's something that I'm needing (unless an adjustment will work fine, I have no idea... I should have Butch check it out when I get some time)

However, doing some research, I've found a few clutches which might do the trick.

here they are:
EXEDY:
08-801A has 69% increase in TQ, organic single plate, can get it for $259.
08-902A has 133% increase in TQ, Cerametallic single plate, can get it for $379.

ACT:
HC5-HDSS has 50% increase in TQ, holding about 223 TQ, Heavy Duty pressure plate with Organic street disc for $324.
HC5-HDR6 has 50% increase in TQ, holding about 285 TQ, Heavy Duty pressure plate with 6 puck disc for $320.
HC5-XTSS has 100% increase in TQ, holding about 270 TQ, Xtreme pressure plate with Organic street disk for $379
HC5-XTR6 has 100% increase in TQ, holding about 350 TQ, Xtreme pressure plate with 6 puck disc for $374

Clutchmasters:
08-022-HD00 is Stage I with 70% increase in TQ, organic street disc, for $292.
08-022-HDKV is Stage II with 70% increase in TQ, Carbon/Kevlar disk for $456.
08-022-HDTZ is Stage III with 110% increase in TQ, segmented Carbon/Kevlar for $456.

Also found some flywheels (I'm only interested in Aluminum flywheels):
Fidanza for $309
Clutchmasters for $290

I'm thinking I don't need anything like a Stage III or anything that strong, but I do abuse it a bit when racing, and would like to have a clutch that will last through 240 WHP roughly at the top end for years to come. What would everyone recommend? I'm kindof partial to ACT clutches because I know they are good quality, but I've heard good things about all these clutches. Money isn't that big of an object. Harsh engagement is not really that big of an issue for me so long as it doesn't chatter... I don't do a mixture of city and highway driving... not sure if a 6 puck clutch would wear my foot out because I do tend to slip the clutch off the line at a stop light rather than wanting to drop it, so maybe a street disc would be better? But I do drop the clutch hard when racing, so will a street disc handle that? Gimme Ideas.

Also, if anyone has better pricing on any of the above clutches, please let me know... most of these were off of groupbuycenter.com

Thanks!
Scott

dude!
i dont know that much about the high performance clutches either.. but i gotta say that the ACT 6 puck (you rode in it) is awesome for zero slippage, however the thing is a bitch and a half to get used to in city driving..
i would opt for a strong centerforce clutch.. the feel as good as stock and grip like a mother...... i rode in that gti that had a centerforce and it gripped really good and had decent feel to the pedal.. as far as the others go. i havent a clue..
if you want the ultimate grip then get a 6 puck.. as long as you can live with the hassles that come with it..;RoCkOn;

[Bryson]

DO NOT GET ANYONE OF THOSE CLUTCHES.

your best bet is too get a Action Clutch setup.....

They do not offer a site, but I personaly vouch for the entire company....they are distributed through www.hondasaver.com

Here is why I would not choose ANY of those clutchs...

ACT: Very nice pressure plates, but the copper puck setups will eat flywheels and pressure plates. I would not look into an organic disc if you plan to do any freaquent launches with the car. The organic material will just heat up and break down with every launch.

ClutchMasters: Very poor pressure plate design. They use the same pressure plate for stages 1-3....so that tells you how much they put into their design!! The Kevlar discs are definetly a step up from the Organic discs, as the Kevlar will allow the clutch to practically last forever (no joke). Pressure plate, disc, and the flywheel will all be in great condition, even after many hard launches and miles.....I do not however, like the sprung hub design, as it only uses 3 rivits too hold the section together. (plus clutchmasters are freaking expensive!!)

Exedy racing: Exedy clutchs are probubly the best choice too look at compared too ACT, and CM, but still not as good as the company I just told you about (Action). Exedy has their clutchs made by Daikin (maker of stock honda clutchs), so you already know your going to get a very high quality product. I LOVE the exedy pressure plates, as they have the perfect amount of holding capacity, yet have the "firm" not "stiff" feel of other pates (ACT)....I do NOT like however, The use of the orgainc discs with the exedy setups. The Orgainc will just burn like the ACT setups, with repeated launches.

NEVER BUY A CenterForce Clutch....They are more for a novilty clutch then one that actually WORKS.

THE BEST OPTION AND WHY.....

Action Clutchs....

Action has been building application specific clutchs for over 5 years now.....They just do not advertise, as feircly as the major brands....but they make a FAR supirior product!!!!!

Action starts off with a Pressure plate that is first made from Daikin (Man. of Exedy, and Honda clutchs), but then modified by Action to be more reliable, strong, and hold more power.

Mods too the pressure plate:
-Prebent straps to prevent bending with age (decreased leverage over time)
-Stronger rivets
-Shorter straps to prevent the plate from moving with high HP.

You can then order a custom made disc TO YOUR LIKING, and APPLICATION.....

In order of increasing power/race car application

-Full face Orgainc disc. (Exedy)...not reccomended

-Full face Kevlar disc....reccomended for those who want the clutch too last forever.

-Segmented Kevlar/Organic.....will give greater power capacity over the full organic, but not last AS long. It will still last pretty much the life of your engine however.

-6 puck metallic disc.....Very fast engagement, but wont eat the flywheel and pressure plate like the ACT copper disc. VERY streetable....(this is personaly what I am using) The setup will last around 3 years with average daily driving.

-6 Puck Kevlar disc.......Probubly the best option out there for people with lots of HP, but want a clutch setup that will last.

-4 puck metallic....Only for a race car, and should NEVER be used on the street....Its just too fast of an engagement.

All discs are available with or without a sprung hub.

They can also make custom discs for say....an 88 CRX SI tranny (21 spline hub) that is using a 91 pres plate/91 flywheel. This allows the use of the bigger 212mm disc, and there is no need to buy a newer tranny.....

Hope that helps (just a little bit.....)

Email this man if you want more info on Action Clutches....
Rocket@HondaSaver.com

Bryson;RoCkOn;

[TedR719]

I love my exedy clutch, plus they are pretty cheap.

[john]

What is the goal of your clutch, before you start down the road? ACT makes awesome parts (had a few on my DSMs), but the puck friction disks are not all that 'starting from a stoplight' friendly. A full faced organic disk is your friend. I got about 100 6000 rpm AWD launches out of each full faced organic ACT disk, plus thousands and thousands of generic miles.

Unless you are trying to put down some VERY serious power, I'd stay away from the puck disks. I've currently got one in the supra, and most everyone who gets behind the wheel to testdrive the car kills it - a bunch of times. Puck disks GRAB. HARD. The combo of the 3300 lb pressure plate and 6 puck friction disk (alternating metal & ceramic pucks) has so far never slipped, and I've thrown about 740 crank HP at it.

Aftermarket flywheels - if your stock flywheel is a one piece unit, then you are probably going to be happy. My stock flywheel was a 2 piece, hydraulically dampened part. 34 lbs worth of rotating mass. The aftermarket flywheel (mueller, aluminum w/stainless steel insert) is a single piece 13 lb part. The lack of the dampening allows the tranny to rattle. The stock part absorbs the rattle sent to it by the output shaft.

Just something to consider if your stock part is 2 piece.

On the upside, the car revs like a chainsaw w/the lightweight flywheel.

$0.02 worth.

[CSMsi311]

I'm also in the market for a new clutch. I'm leaning toward exedy, b/c i don't plan on drag racing a whole lot.

Bryson said that the organic disk won't last, but what about the Cerametallic disk???

I don't plan on my car ever making more that 250 whp. I'll save the big hp for a true sportscar.

Can hai parts get exedy clutches? I didn't see them in the store.

jason

[john]

I'd think you need to qualify the "organic disks won't last" comment. If you are slipping the clutch, a lot, it will wear out faster than the puck part. If you aren't drag racing...

$0.02 worth. Why use a part if you don't need it?

[TedR719]

Right now we don't carry Exedy. www.clutchcityonline.com has them as well as www.coximports.com

-Ted

Originally posted by CSMsi311
I'm also in the market for a new clutch. I'm leaning toward exedy, b/c i don't plan on drag racing a whole lot.

Bryson said that the organic disk won't last, but what about the Cerametallic disk???

I don't plan on my car ever making more that 250 whp. I'll save the big hp for a true sportscar.

Can hai parts get exedy clutches? I didn't see them in the store.

jason

[2000SiVTEC]

I had a clutch masters stage 3 on my Si and it was more than enough. It had like stock pressure on the pdela dn gripped like a mutha. I reccommend a CM stage 2 or 3 for your car.

[CSMsi311]

clutchcity prices are a lot cheaper than coximports. Does anyone have experience with either company? I haven't purchased a lot of things online ever so I'm always a little hesitant about things being too good to be true.

Jason

[Bryson]

Got my clutch throught them

Very good company.

[Controller]

get a ACT 6 puck clutch. I've had mine in for over a year now and it still works like its brand new