TC's Hellement: "Element of suprise"

[HONDA GHANDI]

Well after a year of speculation and decision making, we finally decided to go forth with the turbo project for the shop truck, Honda Element. We initially decided that we would supercharge the already stout K24. But at Sema this year it was brought to our attention at the Hondata seminar that the K-Pro could be modified to use in the Element. After bugging them for a year and a half our dreams finally came true. So this is the first installment of our project. We plan to have the turbo kit finished and installed and ready to race by March 17th. The NOPI season opener at Phoenix raceway. (That's only 6 weeks folks!)

So here it goes. The parts required to install a K-Pro on an 03-06 MT Element:
1. RSX-S ECU 02-04
2. Hondata Adapter harness
3. Hondata K-Pro
4. RSX-S wideband oxygen sensor

At first I thought the K-Pro install would be as easy as an RSX or EP3. I was not so lucky. The ECU sizes are slightly different, as well as the bracketry that mounts them in the dash. Here is a quick pic of the RSX-S ECU required to run the E with a K-pro next to the stock Element ECU.
As you can see the rsx ecu is slightly shorter in size and has different mounting points. These mounting tabs are the reason for me modifying the stock Element case to accept the rsx ecu board and K-Pro. The RSX ECU wont fit into the slot where the stock ecu came out of on the Element.
http://www.dynojunkies.com/forum/album_pic,pic_id,172.html

Now, more issues. The stock Element case is longer and has different mounting spots to mount to the case itself. The RSX holes DO NOT line up.
http://www.dynojunkies.com/forum/album_pic,pic_id,175.html
http://www.dynojunkies.com/forum/album_pic,pic_id,173.html

The screw that mounts the K-Pro to the board is the only hole that is correct. So some things are going ok at this point. I elongated two of the holes to make it so that I could screw the board to the case securely.
http://www.dynojunkies.com/forum/album_pic,pic_id,174.html

But do NOT elongate and screw down the hole in this pic. The screw will make contact with a power tab section of the board and short it to the case. This can cause serious board damage and possibly engine/K-Pro damage!! As you can see in the pic, the metal power tab part of the board is sitting right where a screw would go to the left of the heat sink.

http://www.dynojunkies.com/forum/album_pic,pic_id,175.html

Now that I have that all taken care of, I move on to the USB port notch. Easy enough right? Wrong. There is a steel bracket in the dash that holds the ECU. It will need to be removed and notched as well as the case. The USB port faces forward directly into the firewall so it will need to be installed as the ECU is installed and left in there. Your tuner will love you for this step, trust me. Here are a few pics of the ECU case, with and without notch. And the bracket installed and notched.
http://www.dynojunkies.com/forum/album_pic,pic_id,176.html
http://www.dynojunkies.com/forum/album_pic,pic_id,177.html
http://www.dynojunkies.com/forum/album_pic,pic_id,171.html

Now the ECU part is done, install it into the dash as you removed it, with out course making sure that the USB cable is attached, and routed so that it wont be pinched or kinked. Install the adapter harness carefully and make sure that it is secured. It takes some work to make it clear the glove box but it can be done.

Install the RSX-S wideband oxygen sensor (primary) and you are ready to tune. I installed the TSX basemap into mine and the car fired right up. Next stop on this little journey is the manifold construction and installation. We have decided on a tubular manifold, T3-T04E .57 trim turbo with a .63 exhaust housing. Air to water inter-cooler (for lack of room for a decent front mount) and 850CC injectors. We plan on revisiting the tune this season with some E-85 supplements as the project progresses. If you have any questions I can be reached here: tobi@tcperf.com

Thanks and stay tuned!

[Skaterkid]

Where are you going to mount your water reservior? This is a FWD Element correct? I can't imagine making the AWD one put up with much additional power....but you are teh Ghandi! What power and times are you shooting for? Good luck on having a sweet, different drag car!

[Civic-8442-]

damn sounds really interesting1 keep putting pics up of your process :)

[M@]

Sounds like a fun little project. Hope to see you down at Phoenix with us. Will you be trailering it down, or driving it if it's ready in time?

[Martian]

its about time you made the Hellement into a quicker shitbox. NOPI won't be ready for something so unusual.

[Brian]

Mind if I cross post this on automotivearena.com?

[Zach]

any plans for a K20a2 or K20a head?

[HONDA GHANDI]

For sure Brian.

Eventually it will get a type S head and sleeved built block and bigger turbo.
After this is done I have two other parties interested in the same thing. both are 4x4s. So we will see what the stock drivetrain can handle. It is much beefier than the previous 4x4 setups honda had. The original post will be updated as I go, so just keep watching your e-mail for updates.

[Conrad]

but even then tobi... isnt the 4x4 ones just drive shafts and standard diffs?

think it would be pretty easy to get custom shafts for that although expensive. and "queef" im sure is up to making monsta diffs for ya.

[HONDA GHANDI]

Its still a aux shaft off the front diff. Its a 70/30 torque split. Front axles and tranny are good to 500whp proven, so the rear diff is the only questionable issue at this point.

[bluetalon]

Mind if I cross post this on automotivearena.com?

Yeah, I wanted to post it on the Element owner's forum.

[HONDA GHANDI]

Its already on Elementowners T. I have been whoring it out as much as possible. ;)

[bluetalon]

Cool, then I don't have to post it and have some asswipe reply with "repost."

[Pang]

anything for the RDX? :D

[TEGGY-1234-]

damn sweet project man

[HONDA GHANDI]

lol bluetalon. No kidding.

[HONDA GHANDI]

anything for the RDX? :D

Probably nothing except a reflash in the future. ALl the drive by wire stuff is causing problems in the aftermarket world. Stuff like the UTEC will be needed to run those cars.

[-=[Juztin]=-]

Good 'ol DBW

[MrsGhandi]

The turbo project is well under way. Here are a few snaps of what we have done in the last week and a half to get you up to speed. Progress should be fast from here on out so be patient with updates.

For the intercooler to fit I had to relocate the battery and fuse box. This is also for a cleaner look under the hood. Here is the mock up of the battery tray.
http://www.dynojunkies.com/forum/album_pic,pic_id,200.html
finished and ready for paint
http://www.dynojunkies.com/forum/album_pic,pic_id,201.html

Me welding up the last runner on the manifold...
http://www.dynojunkies.com/forum/album_pic,pic_id,206.html

Here is the manifold after coating. We went with a higher temp coating this time that is a little more expensive but the finish is incredible...
http://www.dynojunkies.com/forum/album_pic,pic_id,204.html
http://www.dynojunkies.com/forum/album_pic,pic_id,205.html

Here is the aftercooler chilling (haha) in its final resting place. Just need to weld up some brackets....
http://www.dynojunkies.com/forum/album_pic,pic_id,203.html
http://www.dynojunkies.com/forum/album_pic,pic_id,202.html

Tomorrow I will have the battery tray painted and finished, aftercooler brackets done. I will start on the front mount and lines for the aftercooler and ice tank. Stay tuned!!!

[Conrad]

way not weigh... lol sorry barb

[MrsGhandi]

That's what happens when tobi hijacks my computer...

[Kwando]

sweet... thats gonna be a total sleeper

[Conrad]

hells yeah.... that is going to be sick!

[M@]

Lookin' good, Tobi. Out of curiousity, who did your coating? Any effects on the manifold as far as you know other than lower hoods temps? More prone to cracking due to more trapped in heat? Etc.

[Pang]

That's gonna be one fun element :D

[Brandon]

Lookin' good, Tobi. Out of curiousity, who did your coating? Any effects on the manifold as far as you know other than lower hoods temps? More prone to cracking due to more trapped in heat? Etc.

more heat to the turbo (mo powah) and protection against the elements (haha)

[doogie06]

and protection against the elements (haha)

^^LAME JOKE OF THE DAY^^

[HONDA GHANDI]

It keeps more heat in the manifold and turbo which helps spool times. It wont cause it to crack, poor welds do that. This one is my first so we will see if it cracks or not (fingers crossed)

[M@]

Well I knew it helped spool them.. I learned that with this log manifold. More heat = better sp00lage... but I was more concerned about the cracking. Good to know, though. :)

[cybergreencivic]

very nice, cant wait to see the finished product of all your work. I wasnt awary you had an RDX already either.

[-=[Juztin]=-]

I'm gonna laugh and cry at the same time if the hellement beats teh Z :rofl:

Looking awesome man! :cool:

[HONDA GHANDI]

That will probably never happen.

[MrsGhandi]

Yea J - we don't have deep pockets like you Z guys ;)

[HONDA GHANDI]

Updates for Feb. 15, 2007.

Today went well, I am feeling much better and got a lot more done today than yesterday.
I got the transmission out, the 6speed conversion done, The Phantom grip installed in the diff, the turbo assembly done and installed with most of the oil lines done.

Here is a pic of the trans before teardown, Looks a bit strange compared to the RSX/EP3 trannies. LOL.
http://www.dynojunkies.com/forum/album_pic,pic_id,211.html

Here is a pile of the parts needed to do the 6 speed conversion. I planned on doing this a while ago and doing a write up on this alone but, there is a keen fellow over at www.elementownersclub.com that beat me to it. Cheers buddy, thanks for the write up.
If you are interested in doing this to your element please feel free to PM me or call us at the shop. This is not a job for the do it yourself'r by the way.
http://www.dynojunkies.com/forum/album_pic,pic_id,212.html

Here is what the internals look like before and after....
http://www.dynojunkies.com/forum/album_pic,pic_id,213.html
http://www.dynojunkies.com/forum/album_pic,pic_id,214.html

Here is what the shift fork assemblies should look like after the job is done.
http://www.dynojunkies.com/forum/album_pic,pic_id,215.html

And for future reference, the RSX-S diff is the same as the element with one slight difference. There is no boss for the 02-04 speed sensor ring. The E uses a mainshaft driven speed sensor similar to the 05+ RSX. So the quaife will drop right in for those of you wanting to get rid of that pesky one tire fire business on the 2wd E.


Here is a pic of the turbo assembly all ready to go to into the car...
http://www.dynojunkies.com/forum/album_pic,pic_id,216.html

Here is a pic of the unit all bolted into its permanent home. I measured the oil feed hose incorrectly and made a hose about 3/4 of an inch too short so I have to make another one tomorrow. That and I broke the mainshaft bearing on the tranny taking it off (oops) so when that shows up tomorrow on the overnight truck I will put the tranny back in and start on fabbing the drain tube, turbo feed pipe and intercooler pipe. All thats left is fuel pump, injectors, a litte wiring, the rest of the intercooler seetup and tuning! HooRay!

http://www.dynojunkies.com/forum/album_pic,pic_id,217.html

Stay tuned!!!1

[ryanman]

Lookin good!!

[5thgenownr]

Woot i cant wait to see that monster run.

[BluByU]

Wow, nice work. I'm going to have to drop in soon so I can see it!

[cybergreencivic]

Very nice, if i have time tomorrow when im in Denver i may have to stop by and take a look.

[HONDA GHANDI]

OK, Update for February 17, 2007. I didnt get a whole lot more done on it in the last couple of days. Stupid work is getting in the way :P . I did however finish the tranny build and installed it with a ACT Clutch and flyeheel. I finalized the turbo assembly and installation with new oil feed and return lines, Seen here:
http://www.dynojunkies.com/forum/album_pic,pic_id,218.html

Here is a good shot of how much room there is left on the right hand side, There is plenty of room between the axle and turbo and still a lot of room between the VTEC solonoid and wastegate. From the looks of it you can almost change the wastegate spring through the wheel well without taking it off, we will see though. Hopefully I wont have to try it.
http://www.dynojunkies.com/forum/album_pic,pic_id,219.html

Monday if I have time I will install the subframe and begin fabrication of the charge pipes, BOV installation and plumbing, Injector install and whatever else I can get to. After that there will not be any updates until the following Monday. I need to do some training classes and wont be able to finish this up. It should only take me a couple of more days to get this thing done and on the dyno. Is there a pool going yet to see how much power this is going to make?

[bluetalon]

I bet you'll get at least 350!

Can you send me an estimate for putting the six speed on my Element?

[V8SpankR]

Maybe it should be called the HELL-EMENT:mad:

[EVORSTroy]

Maybe it should be called the HELL-EMENT:mad:


Ummmmm......... nevermind

[Martian]

Maybe it should be called the HELL-EMENT:mad:
That is exactly how it is reffered to.

[Zach]

How are you going to tune it on your dyno? is it as simple as leaving the driveshaft to the rear axle disconnected? or will you have to buy the two more hubs for your dyno?

[M@]

It's front wheel drive..

[bluetalon]

Do you still think I'm going to be able to get my greddy turbo on mine?

[HONDA GHANDI]

How are you going to tune it on your dyno? is it as simple as leaving the driveshaft to the rear axle disconnected? or will you have to buy the two more hubs for your dyno?

Mine is 2wd, but there is another E that I will be tuning with a similar steup in a few weeks. I will just disconnect the driveshaft and it will be the same as mine.

[HONDA GHANDI]

Do you still think I'm going to be able to get my greddy turbo on mine?

It looks like it has plenty of room for the greddy. You may have to relocate the powersteering hose but that looks like thats about it.

[Zach]

It's front wheel drive..
my bad. i thought he had the 4wd one.

D'oh

[floored4door]

Looks dope, So you are intercooling it as well as after cooling? Is this something that usually goes hand in hand, or unique to this aplication?

EDIT: Just reread. Very cool. I wasn't aware you could do both..

[HONDA GHANDI]

Er, its not an intercooler. It is an air/water aftercooler. The front mount cools the water after it has been through the aftercooelr assembly. It doesnt directly cool the air charge.

[myshtern]

Did you do that just to minimize the headache of plumbing?

[HONDA GHANDI]

by 11ty billion% yes.

[Slo4G63]

Damn..... I wanna see this project!!!!!

[floored4door]

Er, its not an intercooler. It is an air/water aftercooler. The front mount cools the water after it has been through the aftercooelr assembly. It doesnt directly cool the air charge.

Ahhh I see. got it. :)

[young geezer]

hey tobi those higher temp coating you put on your manifold, can i get those from autozone? are those the samething they have in a spray can? thanks.

[Brandon]

No it's not the same thing.

[young geezer]

o i c. well you guys know where i can get one of those from? or a place where i can get it done at. i need it bad.

[HONDA GHANDI]

any powdercoating place can do it. I use Applied Plastics in Arvada, or powdercoat specialties in Golden.

[digitalgangster]

very impressed with the project-- cant wait to see the final results and a lil dyno graph

[Brian]

So i'll be up thursday and will plan on just dropping off the vette for the rest of the winter. Go ahead and turbocharge it then get it back to me for spring :)

[kio]

=O

[HONDA GHANDI]

So i'll be up thursday and will plan on just dropping off the vette for the rest of the winter. Go ahead and turbocharge it then get it back to me for spring :)

No problem. Would you like single or twins? :D:D

[MrsGhandi]

Alright ladies and gents. Got the install finished today, tomorrow I begin the tune process.
Here is a pic of the underhood that is now finished. Just have to send the pipes off to the polisher someday.
http://www.dynojunkies.com/forum/album_pic.php?pic_id=220&sid=7e84d9cd9f166d6d61a28940d0152667

Here is the cooling lines for the aftercooler entering the trunk. I used some B series cam plugs for
the grommets LOL.
http://www.highaltitudeimports.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=3571&d=1172710200

here are the coolant lines in the trunk passing through the floor. Notice the quick disconnects? Now I can pull the
cooler out and use the car for whatever menial job I have and then resume BOOOOOST!
http://www.highaltitudeimports.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=3572&d=1172710200

Here is the cooler installed minus the hold-down strap. Still room for Beer in there!
http://www.highaltitudeimports.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=3573&d=1172710200

Inside the cooler for those wondering, I used 25 feet of 1/2 inch aluminim tubing. I bent it to follow the contours of the
cooler. This system is a closed system so it wont spill or contaminate anything I put in the cooler (i.e. Beer, er sodas, candy bars etc.)
http://www.highaltitudeimports.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=3574&d=1172710200

Tomorrow I will put her up on the dyno and finish the job. I still have not finalized the exhaust yet but that will be in the next few days as well. Stay tuned!

[stu]

That's pretty fucking awesome.

[Brandon]

very nice

[Kwando]

sweet!!! cold drinks while tobi is racing...

[STIBungy]

I went for a ride in it this evening. Damn!

[M@]

Where does the water actually go into the tubes?

[vince]

i want its penis in me

[myshtern]

numbers? video?

[HONDA GHANDI]

Finished the project yesterday afternoon. Got the thing dyno tuned and driven for a bit before the snow came today. BOOO! I found out that the BFG all terrain TAs do not have very good traction under boost. Go figure. Here are the final numbers at 9 psi. 347 whp and 337 tq. Not bad for such little boost and stock internals. Today I am ordering slicks and getting prepared for the NOPI drags in Phoenix AZ. on St.Patricks day weekend.

Video: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7875998123364181321

http://www.dynojunkies.com/forum/album_pic,pic_id,225.html

[marcrx5]

:thumbup: nice numbers and looks great.

[Conrad]

WOW... awesome!

[myshtern]

how much does it weigh?

[HONDA GHANDI]

Not sure, I wieghed it last summer but I cant for the life of me remember. I think it is just barely under 3000.

[afrointegra]

Wow, i just watched that video and it def. sounds mean, great job man. :biggthump

[HONDA GHANDI]

I will get more videos up when it dries out and I can go burn off a set of tires.

[Pang]

LOL that is awesome. I want a ride!

I thought those things weighed more, nice.

[J.Dub]

Bad ass pull you did by sonic tonight did that cop catch you?

[HONDA GHANDI]

lol, he certainly did. :rofl: He let me off with a warning: "Dont let me catch you in my city again!" bwuahahahahahah

Project Hellement: BANNED! From Westy

[BluByU]

No, just don't let him "catch" you :) Good work on the project!

[Brandon]

:rofl: Ricer fly-bys FTW!

[Kwando]

LOL - Tobis a ricer!

[floored4door]

thats badass! I wanna ride!

[Bedlam]

lol, he certainly did. :rofl: He let me off with a warning: "Dont let me catch you in my city again!" bwuahahahahahah

Project Hellement: BANNED! From Westy

Heh..they seem to be a little more friendly with us older folks with nicer cars in this town lately. I just BLASTED by one the other day he looked at me, shook his finger (as I slowed down) and he let me on my way. I dont really miss having a honda anymore..heh.

Project looks pretty badass man! Very cool stuff. :)

[J.Dub]

Haha. Nice Tobi. We didn't know what it was haha we thought it was a civic or something then you see a bright orange "hellement" fly by. Everyone was all saying did you see that shoebox fly by. Haha awesome build!

[HONDA GHANDI]

Lol. Thanks. Sorry for the momentary rice fest but I feel deep down inside that I might be a ricer. Thanks for the comments. I cant wait to get it to the track, today I found a lonely stretch of road and I think that a 13 Might be possible with a good launch and traction.

[-=[Juztin]=-]

LOL I need a ride in that! Did you use those new mufflers on it? Holy crap at the gains over stock. That would easily whoop a Z's ass. Your ellement buddies must be going nuts over the results :)

[HONDA GHANDI]

I did use the same muffler I used on your car but the 2.5 inch version. Today it became painfully clear that I will need a 3 inch exhaust on this thing. In 4th or 5th gear it feels like it is struggling and the exhuast is 'wooshing' like it is restricted. Oh well, back to the drawing board on the exhuast.

[-=[Juztin]=-]

Sweet! Should make for some even nicer gains. That sucker looks like it's fun as hell to drive :D

[HONDA GHANDI]

Its a little scary. For some reason my little SUV doesnt handle well at high speed.

[cybergreencivic]

That is soooo awsome!!! Can't wait to see what you run with slicks on the beast.

[CRX_quicktimes]

Saw this on firday, just wanted to say its pretty amazing, too bad that cop was right on ur ass. nice little box!

[HONDA GHANDI]

Yeah, my inner ricer got owned! :rofl: We will have some good track data and stuff in a couple of weeks.

[Conrad]

you got a ticket?

[HONDA GHANDI]

No. :rofl: 0-85 in 5 seconds on Federal, Illegal U-Turn and no ticket.

[Kwando]

you flashed him your man boos didn't ya... it works for me.

[MrsGhandi]

The cop didn't want the wrath of MrsGhandi :mad:


Plus it helped that the Ricer God (a.k.a. Doogie) was with him, so he immediately backed down.

[ryanman]

LOL!!!

[bluetalon]

Its a little scary. For some reason my little SUV doesnt handle well at high speed.

You're still rockin' the stock suspension aren't you?

[HONDA GHANDI]

"rockin" is the key word yes. :rofl:

[monicle]

He probably wasnt too sure of his radar equipment cause elements arent generally supposed to move that fast. Probably figured it wouldnt hod up in court.

[ryanman]

:werd:

[M@]

I almost orgasmized when I saw this thing....... lol.






Yes, I just made up a new word. "Orgasmized".

[5thgenownr]

WOOT WOOT Tobi, that is so bad.

[i drive crap]

rice-tastic!

[HONDA GHANDI]

rice-tastic!

Its faster than your rolling outhouse. ;)

[i drive crap]

Its faster than your rolling outhouse. ;)

yeah, but the rolling outhouse will get way more chicks! Seriously though, that thing rules! I'll take two!

[HONDA GHANDI]

Cash or credit card?

[marcrx5]

Where do I swipe?

[HONDA GHANDI]

My CC machine. 5415 West 59th Ave. G-Unit. Arvada CO. 80003. The car will be washed and ready to go when you get here.

[i drive crap]

how about I go back to Iraq and fight for your freedom some more? that should equal about the price of a 350HP element right? Plus all the free advertising I did for you in country last time!

[M@]

Oh man, he pulled the military and freedom card on you, Tobi. You can't turn that down.

[MrsGhandi]

^^I can ;)

[i drive crap]

damnit! Thwarted by the Barb-meister again! I'd get away with it one of these times if it weren't for your meddling wife!

[HONDA GHANDI]

how about I go back to Iraq and fight for your freedom some more? that should equal about the price of a 350HP element right? Plus all the free advertising I did for you in country last time!


Although I feel grateful that you are risking your sweet hot ass in Iraq for my freedom, I already paid for that. Uncle sam took his cut and I think you got the shaft. As far as the advertising goes, I have yet to get a call from Derkaderkastan for any parts. So there you go...

[-=[Juztin]=-]

damnit! Thwarted by the Barb-meister again! I'd get away with it one of these times if it weren't for your meddling wife!roflmao! :rofl: DENIED!

[powerban.est199]

just seen this thing yesterday when i dropped of my DA.....nucking futs i tell ya!!

[mrchris1979]

Damn! I was off on Thursday. I was so pissed when I found out you came by Planet Honda to show off the ride. Haven't seen you guys in a while and then I miss the debut of the Hellement. Everyone there loved the project. I'm gonna stop by the shop on Wed or Thurs so see y'all then.

[HONDA GHANDI]

I was wondering where you were. I figured they had you in the back slaving away. :rofl:

[HONDA GHANDI]

Well our first outing to the track went better than expected. We took the Hellement to Phoenix AZ for the NOPI drag event at Firebird raceway.

After a lot of dirty looks and snickers we actually became a fan and racer favorite after just a couple of runs. People came over to the pits to have a look under the hood. They couldn't believe that a 3500lb SUV could take off so fast!

We missed the qualifying by one position in Turbo Street class so we got bumped to the 14.99 and faster bracket class. 5 rounds later, viola! A win for the turbo element!!

Our fastest time for the weekend was 13.88 @ 102 mph. With some timing issues figured out it ran strongly most of the weekend in the low 14s and high 13s. Now I just need to find a way to get this thing to hook up in low gear and low 13s are within reach.

Thanks to everyone who helped, Mike, Josh, Natalie, Hung, Seth, Steve, and Courtney. Here is the video of the fastest run of the weekend.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=997516035086669120

[myshtern]

tits

[Jackrabbit]

HAHHA! Awesome.

[riceburner700]

damn thats sick

[ryanman]

tits

I didn't see any tits, wtf?

[HONDA GHANDI]

look in your shirt.

[ryanman]

Lost those a long time ago but just for the hell of it I looked down my g/f's shirt, I'm all better now.

[bluetalon]

Yeah man that's bad ass man. I knew it could run 13's just riding in it that one time....

Try the Drag radials man, my car hooks up in low gear with those. Well, kind of.

[HONDA GHANDI]

That was on drag radials. It still wont hook in first. Too much torques! :D

[Nightfall]

Your name is already the Ghandi do you really have to shove it in our faces that you can make anything fast ;)

[MrsGhandi]

:rofl:

[FigIS300]

Great work Tobi, much respect for the project and the timeline it was done in.

Fig

[MrsGhandi]

Woot...Hellement gets a win at Bandi....

http://www.tcperf.com/hondaeleme-a-55.html?items=55&id=article

[M@]

Congrats guys!

[Kwando]

fuck yeah! congrats!

[-=[Juztin]=-]

Congrats Ghandi's!!!! :cool:

[Pang]

Congrats, now get it in the 12's!

[HONDA GHANDI]

lol, easier said than done Im afraid.

[doogie06]

No way that toaster oven got into the 13's.....congrats man, that is awesome!

[HONDA GHANDI]

I got slipz to prove it.


http://www.tcperf.com/images/article/secondary/HellementTimeslipWin7-6-07.JPG

[HONDA GHANDI]

Oooh just noticed too, first time under 9 seconds to the 1/8th as well.

[Slo4G63]

That is awesome Barb & Tobi!!!!!!

[stu]

Good thing the other guy red lighted.

[myshtern]

lol, easier said than done Im afraid.
Whats the next mod?

I guess I should say what will blow up if you try?

[HONDA GHANDI]

Good thing the other guy red lighted.



I saw him redlight with tons of time to spare so I changed my strategy from "Be consistant" to "Go Fast"

[HONDA GHANDI]

Whats the next mod?

I guess I should say what will blow up if you try?

The next mod is an E-85 conversion and more boost. After that, RSX cylinder head, internals, and MORE boost.

[myshtern]

The next mod is an E-85 conversion and more boost. After that, RSX cylinder head, internals, and MORE boost.

Sounds like it might get a little complicated, let me know if you need help :D

[musicman3x]

i read some of this thread but i don't have the time to read it all so this might have been covered. if so sorry.

I understand the enjoyment of having six gears but from what I know having more gears when the car is built for draging is accually a bad thing. Usually most cars that are bumped up to six gears instead of five just get an extra gear inbetween 2nd and 3rd and are not accually needed. They will change 2nd and third gear slightly so there is less of an over lap, but the other gears stay the same. I have also driven my sisters RSX and RSX-S and found that the top gear and 1st gear are the same. So when you run 1/4 miles you accually have to shift and extra time and therefor run slower times. I am no expert but I would think that keeping only 5 gears is a good idea.
What is your take on this? Is the tranny better with 6 gears?

[HONDA GHANDI]

Wha? How can top gear and first gear be the same. Please elaborate.

Cliff notes on this thread. I added a 6th gear to a 5 speed tranny. 1st-5th stay the same. The Element 5 speed trans has a 4.78 final drive ratio making 5th gear cruising unbearable due to the high RPMs. Also mileage is a concern.

[stu]

I think he meant to say that 1st gear and fifth gear are the same between the two transmissions, and only 2,3,4, and 6 are different. Or something.

[john]

Hellement FTMFW.

[justin]

Hot damn...haven't posted on here in almost 2 yrs and I come back to see this..wow. Insane man :rockon:

[musicman3x]

I ment top gear. 5th gear on the RSX and 6th on the RSX-S. they both put me at the same rmps at highway speed.

Wha? How can top gear and first gear be the same. Please elaborate.

Cliff notes on this thread. I added a 6th gear to a 5 speed tranny. 1st-5th stay the same. The Element 5 speed trans has a 4.78 final drive ratio making 5th gear cruising unbearable due to the high RPMs. Also mileage is a concern.

I see.:thumbup:

[schmidlkofer]

The next mod is an E-85 conversion and more boost. After that, RSX cylinder head, internals, and MORE boost.

e85 is amazing but not to manyplces to get it... hmmm you should put a station at yuor shop.

[Blkack1]

wow man. just read this entire thread.

absoulutly amazing :biggthump

[HONDA GHANDI]

e85 is amazing but not to manyplces to get it... hmmm you should put a station at yuor shop.

I wish....

wow man. just read this entire thread.

absoulutly amazing :biggthump


Thank you sir.

[hrcDSM719]

Yea, I agree. That junks dope!