"We were also killed on 9/11, Avenge us"

[Seved]

here is a 15 minute or so video, some testmonies from First responders who were told the air was safe. About 50% of the first responders on 9/11 will die in the next 4 years and that will double in the next 7 years. For those of you who say, how could the government lie to us, and allow 9/11 to happen? In the same way they lied to the First responders.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1855050994689354420&q=We+were+also+killed+on+9%2F11&hl=en

P.S. According to Times and CNN. 81% of Americans don't believe offical story. 3% were undecided, and only 16% believe the offical story.
36% think it was a inside job..

Not to small numbers anymore.

[blue]

very moving.. and have to agree 100% with what everyone said on that video

[Bedlam]

Its was aliens...obviously.

[Terry]

i bet portugal had something to do with this. they probably want back their leader dave_L.

[Dave_L]

I blame Seved for all this. I even blame him for taxes. WE all know that you don't trust the government and that you don't like Bush. We also know that you think 9/11 was/is a huge conspiracy. You've made your point now move on and see the world past the internet. You remind me of Mel gibson in the movie Conspiracy Theory.

Terry, STFU n00b.

[2fastNturn]

I dont believe the official story.

If you think the government will tell your the whole truth then you are an idiot and should get in line with the rest of the cattle.

Besides, what exactly are you to do if the air is bad? Just hang out 10 hours till some masks arrive and let people dies and shit burn?

[DrJones]

P.S. According to Times and CNN. 81% of Americans don't believe offical story. 3% were undecided, and only 16% believe the offical story.
36% think it was a inside job..

Not to small numbers anymore.

According to my poll, 50% of Americans are dumber than the average American.

[blue]

I dont believe the official story.

If you think the government will tell your the whole truth then you are an idiot and should get in line with the rest of the cattle.

Besides, what exactly are you to do if the air is bad? Just hang out 10 hours till some masks arrive and let people dies and shit burn?

they should at least let them know that they will be breathing in bad air, dont just leave them out to dry, and deffenatly dont say THE AIR IS FINE

[2fastNturn]

they should at least let them know that they will be breathing in bad air, dont just leave them out to dry, and deffenatly dont say THE AIR IS FINE

I honestly dont think it takes a genious to figuer out there is a shit load of stuff in the air after two giant fucking buildings fall.

[Seved]

I blame Seved for all this. I even blame him for taxes. WE all know that you don't trust the government and that you don't like Bush. We also know that you think 9/11 was/is a huge conspiracy. You've made your point now move on and see the world past the internet. You remind me of Mel gibson in the movie Conspiracy Theory.

Terry, STFU n00b.

Don't like the threads I start, then don't participate. I am sorry for actually giving 2 shits for people I don't even know. Thousands of people died and millions were lied to on 9/11. The 9/11 movment is something that I truly believe in and if your gonna make fun of me, that's cool, you have your opinion. I am glad i have made my point, and I will continue to make my point until people actually try to find the truth for themselves instead of being like the analogy of 'The cave'.

If you lived in New York, and you like many other citizens went to help out on that day, being told the air was safe to breathe, and then 5 years later you find out that you and a majority of the people are now gonna die, well know what, that is fucked. Not standing up and doing something about it, that is just cowardly.

Call me a conspiracy theorist, call me a nut. I don't care, I have learned more about our country and political system since 9/11 then I could have ever dreamed. When only 16% of America believe the offical story, soon the people who are pointing fingers at 'conspiracy' theorist will have the fingers being pointed at them.

And in reguards to the Income tax qusetion, was a simple question. I never said once that I agree with it, or anything. I was asking cause I am writing a paper on 'Taxes in the U.S.' for my political science class. And a majority of the websites speaking of the 'Income tax' say that is it is not legal. so I was getting perspectives, opinions, and insights.


Good day.

[stu]

So far, the people speaking seemed like fucking idiots.

[Slow96GSR]

The truth is that 4 planes crashed, 2 buildings fell and a lot of people died and were injured. I doubt the government made it happen but I can't say for sure they didn't know it was coming. As for what really happened or who knew what we will never know. There are hundreds of people involved in each piece of intelligence. It's just like the chain story; it's going to get messed up in the chain as people tell the story. The best you can do is to try to get it as correct as possible. The only way for the decision maker to get all the facts and have them be 100% correct is for him to be there to see for himself. But there is a chain of command and a bunch of red tape and paperwork that it will never be 100% in the game of intelligence.

[Kinematics]

As a partial Native American, I know better than to trust a single thing the government ever says. The principles on which this country was founded made it illigitimate long before 9/11 ever happened. I hate to say it, but the events on 9/11 are a joke compared to the atrocities the US government has inflicted upon the natives of this land.

Doesn't make it any less valid, however.

[DrJones]

Ok, soapbox time, so quit reading if you don't care.

The real problem with this country isn't the goverment, it's the people.

Anyone who took a middle school history class knows about specialization. It's pretty much why we are where we are today, because of technology that allowed us to specialize. We started off with farmers and hunters and cooks, then we had shop makers, brewers and politicians, now we have engineers, economists and so on. Most people who are in an advanced field can tell you that we are specializing a ton now. You can't just get a degree in 'engineering' or even 'mechanical enigineering' you have to specialize in something like building structure or automotive or something.

That is just the natural progression of things. As time goes on, we are able to specialize more.

So what does this have to do with anything? Well, a lot of people in america are arrogant, overly self centered and lacking of intelegence. When it comes to 'serious' topics, like healthcare, or the economy or the war on iraq, most people giving opinions aren't really justified in giving them. They are no where near enough of an expert in the field, or even educated enough about the topic to make a valid decision. But because of their arrogance they they that they are the only person that matters, and give their 'opinion' anyway.

Want an example? I could go out and ask 1000 americans if P ≠ NP or P = NP. This is a famous question (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P%3DNP) from advanced computer science (that currently has no correct answer). A lot of people may give an answer, because they read something online, heard about it on TV, or had a friend mention it. Does that mean anything? if 99% of the population said P ≠ NP does that mean anything? Nope. Not one bit. Because those people have no basis for the answer. I would trust the answer of one professor who has studied NP problems way way way way more than I would trust the answer of 10000x people.

The same goes for topics like economics. There could be a vote for some new kind of tax or raising the minimum wage or something that says it's going to help the economy. It might be the best thing to ever happen, it might also be the worse. But, that doesn't matter, because it's success is just what the majority of people *think* will happen. Chances are most of them have absolutly no idea how economics works. They don't have the background to truely understand how the change will impact the economy. They just hear a comerical somewhere and then vote the way they *think* it would work out better.

It's seriously causing the decline of society. Yes, we are way more specialized than we have ever been, and only specializing more. That's a good thing. The problem is that people have to jump off their high horse and realize this fact. They can't contiinue going around thinking everyone of their opinions and thoughts is valid, because in many cases it won't be. People need to recognize when they out outside their element and STFU. Right now people explain things to themselves in an invalid way, but they don't know it's invalid, so yes, it makes sense to them, but that doesn't matter because they are wrong. Then they go out spreading this 'logic' to other people who don't know any better and beleive it. It doesn't matter. These people aren't qualified, they are wrong. It doesn't matter how many of them there are or how solid their arguement seems to them.

But that's the problem with people. This is particularlly true with 'conspiracy nuts'. I'm not saying there aren't some people out there with qualifications to decide what may of happened when the buildings collapsed. But a HUGE portion of them are no where near that point. Yet, those masses go on explaining the 'science' to others pretending to know what they are talking about. That would be like me instructing people how to install a turbo when i've never even changed my own brakes.

Seved, I've watched all the video's you've posted on this topic. I know your goal is to just be as informed as you can. Thus, I present a video for you to watch:

link (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7501020220921158523)

I'd highly recommend people watch the entire thing and really try to understand it. However, if you aren't going to watch the full thing, at least watch the first few minutes.

I think the big part you are missing is that you basically think that the rest of us are all buying into the lies that have been told to us from someone else. Have you thought about the other side? Maybe it's you who are buying into all the lies. Now, you might say "no, because I've seen the facts, and I've made the decision that makes more sense. Well, maybe you aren't really qualified or maybe you don't have the logic skills to comprehend everything. Thus, you see it as the truth, but it's not. Just like you think we are seeing the truth, but it's not. You can't just go out on the internet and beleive what you see in a video. Even if it makes sense to you, that doesn't mean it's true.

If there is one thing we can both agree on, I think it is that people do have the ability to manipulate masses of other people and get them to think and believe things that are untrue (intentional or not). We just disagree on which side is doing that.

[stu]

Good post. Very impressed.

[kevino002]

Good post. Very impressed.

Well put, well said, and well thought out..

[stu]

I don't know about you guys, but if I was in charge of a whole city full of fucking morons on the brink of panic and disorder, I'd tell them the air was okay to breath too. That guy needs bitch slapped.

[Loud_Scott]

I don't know about you guys, but if I was in charge of a whole city full of fucking morons on the brink of panic and disorder, I'd tell them the air was okay to breath too. That guy needs bitch slapped.

and by lying possibly causing more innocent death. As opposed to telling peoiple "stay the fuck inside" -- not to sound like a rotten asshole (too late I'm sure) but the people in/around the buildings were already fucked. if everyone stays inside then at least the losses are minimized.

[Slow96GSR]

Loud_Scott I think Stu was thinking it would be population control more or less. Tyring to get rid of the "morons".

[M@]

The truth is that 4 planes crashed, 2 buildings fell and a lot of people died and were injured.
Wasn't it actually 3 buildings that fell? 3 getting hit from planes, 1 catching fire?

[stu]

Loud_Scott I think Stu was thinking it would be population control more or less. Tyring to get rid of the "morons".

Not population control, crowd control. The last thing the rescue workers need is a bunch of fucks losing their minds, panicing, and getting in the way.

I like how everyone who rushed into to help victims and died, is held up on a pedalstool as a hero (which I agree with). But now, because some people may die a late death, they're not hero's they're all of the sudden victims. What difference does it make if you die that day, or 2 years later? Still the same result right? It's your duty to help those in need, even if it puts your life at risk. I wish that anyone who is complaining about getting sick would have just died the first day. What kind of worthless fucking hero are you if you just survived to bitch and moan?

Did anyone notice that no one in the video complained that no one stopped all the rescue people from rushing into the buildings because it was clearly unsafe? I didn't. Either be a hero or don't. Fucking wanna be victims.

[-=[Juztin]=-]

I would trust the answer of one professor who has studied NP problems way way way way more than I would trust the answer of 10000x people.That's setting yourself up for failure, the only being capable of playing that card is God. Everybody believes in him, but you don't ever hear him giving out any answers :)

[STIBungy]

All this propaganda was caused by a glitch in the Matrix. This will all be fixed in the next revision.

[Seved]

DrJones, that was a very well written post. I do agree with you, America is becoming extremely specialized. I also agree with you that someone must have the credentials in the field to acutally give valid answer. Whose opinion on the issue may hold more merit then that of 500 other people.
However, for the 9/11 movment, people whom have the credentials, such as: Pilots, Ex-CIA, Demolition experts, Physists, Mathematics, police, fire fighters, and many many many more, all go against what was officially told.
Along with this movment there will be those people who believe more radical ideas. These are the people in which Penn and Teller interview. They then make the viewer believe that this is exactly what every person who question 9/11 believes; and how much a "fucking idiot they are." As I said, there is a group known as the 9/11 Truth movment. These followers are as listed above such as Controlled Demonlition experts and Ex-CIA members. I have the 9/11 Commisson report, FEMA report, NIST report. I am not qualified on a lot of the subject matter, however, it does not deny my right to question what is going on. The government changed their reasoning as to why building 7 fell, now up to 5 differnt times. In the 9/11 commisson building 7 is not even mentioned, however, it being 47 stories tall fell flat into its own footprint (Yeah M@ 4 Planes, 1 in both WTC, 1 In pentagon, 1 in Shanksville, 3 buildings fell). So it is things such as this, and questions such as why fire fighters said they heard bombs going off in the building.
From the last time I really went into depth, there has been so much more overwhelming things that have came up. I suggest just going through 911blogger.com and scrolling through their when you have time. They have great links and differnt threads you can go through.

[john]

+2

I dont believe the official story.

If you think the government will tell your the whole truth then you are an idiot and should get in line with the rest of the cattle.

Besides, what exactly are you to do if the air is bad? Just hang out 10 hours till some masks arrive and let people dies and shit burn?

[Loud_Scott]

Not population control, crowd control. The last thing the rescue workers need is a bunch of fucks losing their minds, panicing, and getting in the way.

I like how everyone who rushed into to help victims and died, is held up on a pedalstool as a hero (which I agree with). But now, because some people may die a late death, they're not hero's they're all of the sudden victims. What difference does it make if you die that day, or 2 years later? Still the same result right? It's your duty to help those in need, even if it puts your life at risk. I wish that anyone who is complaining about getting sick would have just died the first day. What kind of worthless fucking hero are you if you just survived to bitch and moan?

Did anyone notice that no one in the video complained that no one stopped all the rescue people from rushing into the buildings because it was clearly unsafe? I didn't. Either be a hero or don't. Fucking wanna be victims.


a) no it's not my duty to fucking help people that are gonna die. as far as im concerned if you're about to die you're fucking WEAK! Get OUT of the fucking gene pool. Darwin for prez!

b) Stu, that was fucking retarded. People that died and were thought of heroes are still thought as victims. It's called Martyrdom. They died/suffered/got their shit pushed in because of Al Queada and the towelies! As Americans, that's what we do; we raise people like this on a pedastool. I'm not saying that's necessarily right.....BUT whether you died on 9/11 or you die on 5/26/2012 -- if the REASON you died is 9/11 then you should fucking be treated the same. I don't give a rats ass if you were the firefighter that got cement dropped on you, or if you're the nice middle-aged soccer mom who stood there and held someone crying -- if you died cuz of that day then be treated the fucking same. (fyi. i dont think any of them are heroes....heroes woulda stopped the whole thing; see spiderman, superman, aquaman, batman, the A-Team, and wonerwoman)

[stu]

Let me clarify. I feel that the people who rushed to the scene were heros, all of them. I also feel that the people in that video complaining that they are going to die soon are spineless pansies that can't accept the result of their own attempts at heroism. Now they are just trying to point fingers. The government is NOT your fucking mother. A random certified person on the street is not your mother. The police and firemen who show up to the scene, they aren't your mother either. If you want to be a hero, that's your choice. If you are a pansy, but you're just curious and want to see the view from your front yard instead of behind your living room window, that's your choice. People were trapped and dying at the time. If I were a professional firefightter responding to an emergency of that scale, I can tell you that I wouldn't be all that concerned with the safety of some joker who's not even hurt, wanting to know if the air is safe, when there are fucking people buried alive. And I'd be damned if one of those people came back later to call me a liar because I didn't warn them that the air wasn't shooting out of a hepa filter. Those people were in just as much of a state of panic as everyone else. So fuck these retards for crying that they were lied to. Even if they were lied to, no one MADE them prance around in the open air. Fuck them.

[Loud_Scott]

(fyi. i dont think any of them are heroes....heroes woulda stopped the whole thing; see spiderman, superman, aquaman, batman, the A-Team, and wonerwoman)

:werd:

[Seved]

:werd:

I dont understand, your :werd: your self?

[Dave_L]

I dont understand, your :werd: your self?

It's still your fault.

[Loud_Scott]

I dont understand, your :werd: your self?

yes because i think its a valid point... a HERO would have stopped the whole thing... THAT'S why they're heroes!

[Dave_L]

WTF is superman when you need him.

[Loud_Scott]

in his dome of solititude?

[Dave_L]

That bastard! Get me some kryptonite so I can go kick his ass.

[blue]

=-;628565']That's setting yourself up for failure, the only being capable of playing that card is God. Everybody believes in him, but you don't ever hear him giving out any answers :)

well not everyone believes in god... but i do agree with your first statement... DrJones it was very well written and very good points, but what i am getting from it is that anyone who says anything about anything is not valid unless there a specialist.. which i dont agree with, but yes the majority of the people just take something they might have heard and spead that lie, but there is nothing wrong with someone taking an educated guess as long as the people told are let know it is a educated guess and not 100% sure on it, and basically i can turn your words toward the tech zone and anyone who posts any advice on there shouldnt be believed because there not a specialist.:confused: