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Debate on Ammendment 44. Check it out.
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do you have a link to ammendment 44
edit: i became unlazy and googled it
Deceptakhan
10-02-2006, 03:12 PM
Holy shit my work laptop is slow. Its taking waaayyyy to long to buffer the vid, so I'll offer my opinions without watching the video. In some aspects, it is a good thing. Lets face it, there is a HUGE proporion of our population smoking the cannibus excellentimus. Are the majority of these crimanals? Hell no. With overcrowded prisons, the word "criminal" is becoming very commonplace. I think that this bullshit, save the space for the bigtime criminals, like rapists, murderers, and the like. Drugs is a problem, but a war on drugs is not working, it has been a common facet in society since well, the beginning of society. The bad thing about this imo, will be federal regulations that go along with anything. Do I have a clue what I'm talking about? It appears not. Ahh well, I tried.
thats going to be the downside, is when it gets passed its going to cost more than what you pay now, going to be taxed like a MO just like cigs, and the quanity/quality is going to seriously go down or you will be forking over some $$$$$ to get some decent shit
lol you would have to be 21 to buy it and only have an 1 OZ or less in your possession
alaska has allready decrimalized it.... i didnt know that
Alaska allows up to 4 oz.
nicklk
10-02-2006, 03:31 PM
That dude OWNED that republican!
Alaska allows up to 4 oz.
this is the part where i dont understand, is it still going to be sold "under the table" but just not punisable(sp) if your 21 and have less than an OZ or are you going to buy it at a gas station or what
*shrug* Beats the hell out of me. I don't plan on smoking/buying it, but I am for legalizing it. They make very valid points. Make room for real criminals in prisons and not people trying to smoke themselves stupid.
nicklk
10-02-2006, 03:36 PM
*shrug* Beats the hell out of me. I don't plan on smoking/buying it, but I am for legalizing it. They make very valid points. Make room for real criminals in prisons and not people trying to smoke themselves stupid.
Agreed
*shrug* Beats the hell out of me. I don't plan on smoking/buying it, but I am for legalizing it. They make very valid points. Make room for real criminals in prisons and not people trying to smoke themselves stupid.
i agree with you there and im not sorry to say i would be smoking and buying.:)
saabracr
10-02-2006, 05:13 PM
i agree with you there and im not sorry to say i would be smoking and buying.:)
Me too. Legalizing it will keep people on their couches eating doritos and not out drunk driving.
Deceptakhan
10-02-2006, 05:28 PM
. They make very valid points. Make room for real criminals in prisons and not people trying to smoke themselves stupid.
Thats what I said :) This issue would free up, some much needed prison space, which in itself is an issue. Still, this is going to be a long battle. Just like before when we legalized it (so to speak), the feds found a way to ban it, and keep people who really DID need it from getting it, such as busting people that were legitly supplying them. We are going to have to clear many many loopholes before it is generally accepted, imo this will be a small battle in a large war.
Weston
10-02-2006, 08:54 PM
Suthers makes good points, and he clearly has a much better understanding of how our laws are written and the way that the legal system works. Legalizing it will send the message to everyone (including kids) that it's ok and even encouraged, and it will greatly increase the number of people growing it and selling it (which is still a crime). This country really doesn't need to be legalizing or encouraging the use of mild altering drugs. Alcohol may have a potential to be more harmful, but that doesn't mean that people only drink it to the point of intoxication; a moderate amount has even found to be good for your health. Pot, on the other hand, is only used to get high.
The SAFER group is being very deceptive here, and that should tell you something. They claim that legalizing possession will cut down on the number of people in our jails. Well, I hate to burst their bubble, but no one in Colorado is going to jail for possession of less than an ouce with the law the way it currently is... it's a petty offense with a maximum of a $100 fine; they say it themselves! They also say that people are "cited", not "arrested" or "thrown in jail". Their own arguments conflict with each other! You'll be in much more trouble if you get caught doing 80 mph in a 55 zone... that's a misdemeanor and it has a higher fine. Hell, there are a lot of people who don't even see any real jail time for their first and second felony convictions. So, leading people to believe that this has anything to do with reducing jail populations is nothing more than a weak attempt to manipulate them. Legalizing possession will actually increase the number of jailable offenses committed, because there will be an even bigger market for growing it and selling it, which are still crimes.
Speaking of which, what's the point of making it legal to possess when it is still technically impossible to get legally? It doesn't take a genious to see what they are trying to pull here... they know that they don't have a chance in hell of legalizing both possession and drug dealing at once, so they'll start by just legalizing possession of a little bit, which will greatly increase the number of people growing it and dealing it. Then at that point, they will come back and use the same tactic of saying that it's such a waste of our resources to enforce those laws, so we should simply give up.
Another deceptive thing that they're doing is nit-picking at insignificant details and technicalities in an attempt to discredit Suthers, not to mention the non-stop baseless accusations and implicit personal attacks. You may call that a debate tactic, but it's also called misleading your audience. The whole thing about Alaska is not about if it's currently legal to possess marijuana there or not, but rather the fact that there is a significant effort to recriminalize it and there is a lot of support behind that. It has even passed, but what shot down by the Supreme Court because it wasn't compatible with other laws. So, obviously that state has strong enough reasons to feel that it is a real problem and that it needs to be recriminalized.
Nightfall
10-02-2006, 09:11 PM
Legal or illegal those who want to smoke are going to smoke. So, really, who cares. :D
This country really doesn't need to be legalizing or encouraging the use of mild altering drugs. Alcohol may have a potential to be more harmful, but that doesn't mean that people only drink it to the point of intoxication; a moderate amount has even found to be good for your health. Pot, on the other hand, is only used to get high.
since were using the word encourage, then why is it "encouraged" to drink meaning no one cares that you drink and theres commercials for it so there for "encouraging" its use. and you say pot is ONLY used to get high. obviously you dont smoke because anyone that smokes can tell you no, i use/have used it to relax, loosen up, chill not just get high. And you say people dont always drink to get drunk, so tell me whats the purpose of having a drink or two after work; i'll tell you: to relax, chill, loosen up. Ive used pot for the same reason people use alcohol. so can we say we see simularities in both using small amounts???? idk about you but i sure can
and mind altering; is alcohol not mind altering
chris_venturini
10-02-2006, 09:29 PM
Yeah, but i hope that fly eats your eyeball http://www.mybuddyicons.com/data/thumbnails/11/male32.gif
Nightfall
10-02-2006, 09:37 PM
I smoke to piss off old people, I don't know about you
I smoke because I want to, like it, and it's my life. Simple as that. If i'm a worse person because of it, don't hang out with me. I probably wouldn't have wanted to hang out with you either if thats the route somebody was willing to make based on a single judgement without knowing me.
I smoke because I want to, like it, and it's my life. Simple as that. If i'm a worse person because of it, don't hang out with me. I probably wouldn't have wanted to hang out with you either if thats the route somebody was willing to make based on a single judgement without knowing me.
agreed
Nightfall
10-02-2006, 09:41 PM
This thread makes me reflect on the HAI smoke club that never took off. Seems like modified cars and mental imparment would have gone over well, guess not :(
I'll join! Do we get our own forum? :D
This thread makes me reflect on the HAI smoke club that never took off. Seems like modified cars and mental imparment would have gone over well, guess not :(
what smoke club... when does it meet... i was never informed :)
damn you beat me to it ^^
Weston
10-02-2006, 09:43 PM
I'll join! Do we get our own forum? :D
You already have your own forum... Maybe you'd be able to find it if you were above the influence, rather than under it. :D
Nightfall
10-02-2006, 09:45 PM
You already have your own forum... Maybe you'd be able to find it if you were above the influence, rather than under it. :D
:(
;)
Nightfall
10-02-2006, 09:52 PM
http://www.highaltitudeimports.com/showthread.php?p=614140#post614140
...god....i'm gonna get banned, lol. :D
well if so you took one for the team
Weston
10-02-2006, 09:56 PM
fuck it, lets just take over the firearms section
You guys are a disgrace to the Stoner (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugene_Stoner) name.
Nightfall
10-02-2006, 09:57 PM
You guys are a disgrace to the Stoner (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugene_Stoner) name.
:rofl:
chris_venturini
10-03-2006, 02:28 AM
this is why it should be banned
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-9085610229984937407&q=stoned+professor
Nightfall
10-03-2006, 02:30 AM
That was a poor decision on his part. You know what? Because there is a chance that people might go to work drunk I vote alcohol is banned.
Loud_Scott
10-03-2006, 08:18 AM
Alcohol may have a potential to be more harmful, but that doesn't mean that people only drink it to the point of intoxication; a moderate amount has even found to be good for your health. Pot, on the other hand, is only used to get high.
Actually marijuana has some medical value. For people that have a terminal disease (cancer for example) it can help increase appetite. This is especially true for cancer patients right after chemo therapy --
It's also a pretty handy way to deal with high anxiety/panic attacks -- because you can mellow out but don't necessarily hafta be drugged up on a percoset or zanax for 6-8 hours....
Also your example of people drinking but not 'getting drunk' -- and I'm making an assumption here, so correct me if I'm wrong -- are most likely doing it for the old tried and true reason that "I just like the taste." Well, not me especially, but I'ld bet there are people that just like the smell/taste of pot. They can just take 1 hit, or maybe even just sit in the room where it's going on, they don't hafta smoke it to get stupid-ass stoned.
taikahn
10-03-2006, 08:43 AM
^^Yup.
Pot > Xanax > Prozac, etc.
Alcohol when misused < ALL.
Loud_Scott
10-03-2006, 08:53 AM
^^Yup.
Pot > Xanax > Prozac, etc.
Alcohol when misused < ALL.
Silly logic --
pot when misused < ALL
works both ways --
Dave_L
10-03-2006, 08:56 AM
Silly logic --
pot when misused < ALL
works both ways --
I dont think thats what he meant. Alcohol is much more dangerous in one sitting when used in excess i.e. being completely wasted. People do way more retarded things when really drunk. On the other hand, if someone just smoked 10 bowls, they are most likely just gonna go sleep. But over an extended period of time, either one can be bad for you.
taikahn
10-03-2006, 08:59 AM
Silly logic --
pot when misused < ALL
works both ways --
Its not logic, its a fucking opinion. :guns:
V8SpankR
10-03-2006, 11:25 AM
What is with people thinking legal means it's going to be sold in convenience stores and such? The law just protects adults from possesing it,now how they get it still might be illegal but you could grow it on your property and the like.
This will also not affect prices of pot. The law really frees up law enforcement to fight real crimes and real drugs.
Loud_Scott
10-06-2006, 08:37 AM
Actually marijuana has some medical value. For people that have a terminal disease (cancer for example) it can help increase appetite. This is especially true for cancer patients right after chemo therapy --
Because it's friday and I'm already bored -- apparently it can also help stave off alzheimers...
http://www.cnn.com/2006/HEALTH/10/05/pot.alzheimers.reut/index.html
V8SpankR
10-06-2006, 10:19 AM
Stupid is as stupid does.
Go ask Mel G. how alcohol helped him out.
since we've had the debate on it how many of us are acctually going to get off our ass and go vote
When I got my new ID, they asked if I wanted to be a registered voter, I said yes. Do I have to register specifically for the November voting?
Brandon
10-06-2006, 12:07 PM
I would but I'll probably be too high to care or too drunk to drive.
V8SpankR
10-06-2006, 01:22 PM
I'm ready to vote and so are a good number of people I know but of course there's several that'll support the Pot legalization bill but they'll be too busy watching Boomerang to go vote. :(
No, once you register you're in for good unless you move, get a felony, or something like that.
Good to know. Thanks.
Nick_S
10-06-2006, 02:17 PM
I vote yes! The state actually called my house today and said all my voting stuff is in the mail. Can you not vote with a felony?
is there a website i can look at to see where voting is set up, or does anyone know where i can vote in the parker area?
I vote yes! The state actually called my house today and said all my voting stuff is in the mail. Can you not vote with a felony?
no
Loud_Scott
10-06-2006, 04:21 PM
since we've had the debate on it how many of us are acctually going to get off our ass and go vote
prolly not; i dont get informed enuff about all the little things, and if i dont know wtf the issue is, i feel i might as well just keep my dumbass home. i usually only vote for the president (fat lotta good it did me the last time), oh and i voted yes on the new bronco stadium --
prolly not; i dont get informed enuff about all the little things, and if i dont know wtf the issue is, i feel i might as well just keep my dumbass home. i usually only vote for the president (fat lotta good it did me the last time), oh and i voted yes on the new bronco stadium --
just read up on it, if you agree vote for it, if you dont agree vote againt it, but if your going to vote against it just stay at home ;)
thanks david for the link
Weston
10-07-2006, 12:29 AM
From the Longmont paper...
Keep marijuana illegal; cast ballot against 44
Amendment 44 presents a problem that its supporters cannot solve: If possessing up to an ounce of marijuana is legal for residents 21 and older, where will those marijuana users get their supply?
In the economy of illegal drugs, demand for legal 1-ounce increments of marijuana will require the services of the suppliers, who have operated and would continue to operate outside the law, even under Amendment 44.
That’s just the beginning of the conundrums that riddle this poorly worded amendment to Colorado statutes. Its defenders defy logic.
They claim that passing an ounce of marijuana to someone younger than 18 still would be illegal as contributing to the delinquency of a minor. True. But they fail to mention that a 21-year-old could legally pass an ounce of marijuana to a 20-year-old, a 19-year-old or an 18-year-old, who very likely would still be in high school.
While proponents and opponents differ on just how much an ounce of marijuana is, it is clear that an ounce of marijuana can make at least 30 joints, and that’s low by National Organization of Marijuana Laws standards.
It could be as high as 60.
So if Amendment 44 passes, it could be legal to pass up to 60 joints to an 18-year-old.
Further, supporters fail to mention that marijuana legalization has failed in at least one other state: Alaska.
There, possession of up to 4 ounces of marijuana was made legal in 1975. A 1988 University of Alaska study found that teenagers in Alaska used marijuana at more than twice the national average. Alaskans re-criminalized the drug in 1990.
Finally, Amendment 44 backers make bizarre comparisons between their drug of choice and alcohol and fast food. They’re all bad for you. In fact, they say, alcohol is worse, so why not legalize a more mellow drug so that alcoholics can have a safer alternative?
Get real. If they are that concerned about the effects of alcoholism, Amendment 44 backers should put their money into combating alcoholism, not offering yet another intoxicating substance to the public.
Amendment 44 is not about making society safer; it’s a twisted effort to weaken Colorado law.
What were they smoking? We already know. Vote against 44.
:werd:
Deceptakhan
10-07-2006, 08:25 AM
Holy SHit! One ounce = 30-60 joints? Wow. Must be little toothpicks. One ounce = 2-3 blunts. Maybe 30 bowls. Fucking idiot should at least know something about what he is writing about. Don't be like motor trend!
V8SpankR
10-07-2006, 08:45 AM
It's already decriminilized here in Colorado and is only punishable by a $100 fine so I don't see how things will drastically change if we just quit prosecuting adults and free up police to actually protect us from real crime and real drugs.
The reality is if it is legalized I doubt you will notice any change within our state since people that do enjoy marijuana will still get it from the same places as they already do and nothing will change whether it passes or not. It's more of a law to focus on real crime and quit wasting our tax dollars on something that will never go away and with gen Xers and younger getting older atitudes are changing and it'll be legal sometime in the near future anyway but maybe not right now.
It's just a shame that the only legal choices that adults have to "relax" are alcohol and Nicotime and both cause more deaths and health problems than all the other drugs combined.
I still don't understand how it would be legal to give pot to an 18 year old when we can't do that with alcohol. I also don't think high schoolers have problems getting pot anyway and making it legal for adults won't change how they get it.
Holy SHit! One ounce = 30-60 joints? Wow. Must be little toothpicks. One ounce = 2-3 blunts. Maybe 30 bowls. Fucking idiot should at least know something about what he is writing about. Don't be like motor trend!
no kidding i was like what hook-up did you get that your able to roll even 30 joints, fucking lying bullshit trying to sway the dumbass public
nicklk
10-07-2006, 03:17 PM
I was at a bar this last weekend and the bartender was chatting up wtih me about the smoking ban and penalities bartenders get if a policeman is in the bar and sees someone smoking in the bar....and all of a sudden this guy down the bar starts lighting up and she went over and pretty much bitch slapped him! If someone does a sweep to a bar and sees someone smoking, its a $150 to each person smoking int he bar and a $150 fine for each person TO THE BARTENDER!!
Then I laughed and thought it was funny that you get $300 worth of fines for lighthing up a cigarette in the bar, but its only $100 fine to have up to an ounce of weed. Which I am not the most keen person when it comes to the amounts of weed.....but an ounce is a shit ton of weed!
:thumbsup: for Colorado laws!
Deceptakhan
10-07-2006, 03:45 PM
Lol. If it was headies, an ounce is a decent amount. If it is schwiggles, an ounce won't last long.
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