Flash Suppressor Tests

[Weston]

Go through the thread to see more comparisons...

http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=3&f=118&t=229664

My Phantom 5C1 showed up today. :)

[Kwando]

you bastard... i wish i could change mine...

[myshtern]

Why would one want that unless they were in a night time combat situation?

[Kwando]

Why would one want that unless they were in a night time combat situation?

you just answered your own question... its also good for jabbing someone with it

[Weston]

you bastard... i wish i could change mine...

I'm sure you could sell that M4 upper and buy yourself a 16", then it will only take you all of a minute to swap out muzzle accessories.

Why would one want that unless they were in a night time combat situation?

The flash suppression is only useful at night, but that's not all that these do... The M16 "A2" and the Phantom 5C1 & 5C2 do not have a bottom port, which reduces dust problems when shooting from a proned position, and it also works as a compensator to help keep the end of the barrel from rising after each shot. There are also compensators that function as muzzle brakes (aka "y-compensators"), which reduce recoil, at the cost of blowing pressure back in your face. That's what Simon's AR-15 came with, but I really don't think he will notice much difference in recoil when he gets rid of that... these rifles are designed to absorb a lot of the recoil, so what the shooter feels is pretty light to begin with.

[doogie06]

I prefer the 2 liter bottle taped to the muzzle.

[Weston-work]

I prefer the 2 liter bottle taped to the muzzle.

Homemade sound suppressor?

[doogie06]

Yes sir, only good for one shot.

[sts2poc1]

is that from experience?

[stu]

Yes sir, only good for one shot.


Sounds like a catch 22 to me. You've only got one shot, but you can't aim because there is a 2 liter bottle on your barrell.

[sts2poc1]

its also mucho jail time if your caught.

[Weston-work]

:werd: It's the same as having an illegal machine gun... a victimless crime, but still a pretty big deal (thanks to legislators pissing on our 2nd ammendment "rights"), so don't get caught.

[Jackrabbit]

I'm pretty sure if you're in a situation where you need a one shot sound supressor... you're not too concerned with legality.

Besides, the 2-liter trick won't work any any sort of high powered cartridges. Maybe a .22 mag at best.

[Ashton]

Weston what did you pay for that?

[Weston-mobile]

23 or so... from ADCO

[doogie06]

Sounds like a catch 22 to me. You've only got one shot, but you can't aim because there is a 2 liter bottle on your barrell.

Yeah, true, but for a pistol with a silencer, you want to be close anyways...

[2fastNturn]

I saw Segal use a 2 litter bottle on a bigger caliber hand gun..... therefore, it must work great!

[doogie06]

Obviously.

[Tonnerre]

I once heard that you can, if you are good at welding, use washers and a metel pipe and something that will screw it to the barrel of the gun. It would smell bad but it would work and if you wanted you could make it so it would damage/change the bullet so it could not be matched to the gun. Any skilled welder cold do this.

[Tonnerre]

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c221/Mind-of-Loki/Suppresser.jpg

[Deceptakhan]

Tonnerre, a gun in your hands is especially scary.

Use a potato to silence the gun.

[Jackrabbit]

Use a potato to silence the gun.

Have you ever tried this? We did once. It muffles it a bit. But it also blows potato into tiny bits in about a million directions. :D We tried it in my buddies mom's living room, shooting into a stack of papers with a Colt Gov't Model .380ACP. Pretty funny actually. ;OwnEd;

What people don't understand about firearms and suppressors is that the supressor only muffles the gases released my the powder explosion. That's only part of the sound a gun makes. Most bullets are also supersonic and create a sonic boom when they leave the barrel. Then with autoloaders you get sound that comes out the chamber when the slide rocks back.

I had a buddy in th S. African Military. His favorite setup was a 1911 modified so you had to manually rack it for every shot. With the supressor he told me it was extremely quiet. .45ACP is generally a subsonic (around 900FPS) round, with a lot of stopping power.

[Tonnerre]

Still the idea that I had could work. It would be simular to a pro type of one and you cold make it as long as you want. 6 inches or more. Also depending on what you put in it and how you pack it. You could reduce a lot of the sound.

[Jackrabbit]

Yes homemades are good at muffling the powder burn, but you'll still have the sonic boom.
I've seen a lot of supressor designs with different types of baffles. The most promising uses freeze plugs (y'know, the things in your engine block the keep the coolant in the jacket) spaced with rubber or soft plastic discs.

Others use a small tube dilled full of holes barely bigger than the bullet diameter, wrapped with steel wool, then cased with a bigger tube.

The largest problem is tolerances. They need to be tight to keep gases from escaping out the barrel. And that fucker better be on there perfectly straight, or you might mess yourself, or at least your gun, up good. At the very least you need to find an extended barrel to mount the can on anyway.

*all info is for historical, research, and entertainment purposes only and should not be construed as advice or advocacy to break current, past or future firearm, criminal or other laws* :D

Yeah, I've been around a bit. ;)

[Tonnerre]

*all info is for historical, research, and entertainment purposes only and should not be construed as advice or advocacy to break current, past or future firearm, criminal or other laws* :D

Yeah, I've been around a bit.
I total agree, This is only theory here. We would never try this.

[Tonnerre]

http://www.special-warfare.net/data_base/202_pistols/pistol_002_01_euro_02/hk_socom_pistol_03.jpg The Socom pistol has the threads already.

[Deceptakhan]

Lol, we tried the potato thing when we were camping. Its pretty funny what it does to the potato, but it works on a pistol. And for silencing, .45 or any other pistol that is naturally subsonic works well. Most slugs that are supersonic, like pretty much all rifle and 9mm and smaller pistols have poor perfomance with subsonic loads.

There are naturally 9mm silenced weapons out there like the mp5sd, but these are not the solid snake whisper of a report. These weapons are designed for indoor use/urban situation where the report of the weapon is far too sharp in a room, and could cause serious damage to the ears. Also the reason alot of 5.56ers used by the PD and military are equipped with these. There are more reasons of course. Silencers lessen the report, not eliminate it completly.

But that potato was pretty darn quiet!

[sts2poc1]

they do sell sub-sonic ammo

[Jackrabbit]

http://www.special-warfare.net/data_base/202_pistols/pistol_002_01_euro_02/hk_socom_pistol_03.jpg The Socom pistol has the threads already.

And it's only a measley $2000! LMAO!

It's actually not too hard to find extended threaded barrels for Glocks, Berrettas, etc. Just hard to find a place to do a cash no paper trail transaction. ;)