North American Union (NAU)

[Seved]

What are your (members of HAI) views on this. I've been hearing a lot about this lately and I want to hear your opinions on it.

[Kwando]

first time i've heard aboutit

[stu]

What is it? Link?

[Skaterkid]

I'm assuming its an economic union much like the EU.

[Seved]

I am putting some links and videos together for you including government websites. Give me some time and I will have enough to get you thinking. But the idea is to open the borders to Mexico and Canada.

[Seved]

Ok...

Here is a long - But Very interesting Article.
http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=16189

Here is a bunch of articles.
http://www.eagleforum.org/topics/NAU/

Lou Dobbs discusses it -- Please pay attention to the end of the video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QAeEc23_7Ig

Here is a government website describing it.
www.spp.gov

Here is a article reguarding the "Superhighway" that they want to build connecting the three countries together.

http://infowars.net/articles/August2006/290806NAFTA.htm

And Another

http://www.nascocorridor.com/

A North American Union ID card.
http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=16058

A couple more videos on it from Google video.
http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=%22north%20american%20union%22&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&sa=N&tab=wv

That's it for now -- I will let you all go through it (if you wish) and we can discuss more...

For the most part this whole thing is not being told anywhere, yet in reality it is going on.

[CT9A]

Anything that opens borders is a bad idea.

[Martian]

Anything that opens borders is a bad idea.
If this were to be the method of opening them, then I would disagree. The united states would gain highly from canada's logging industry, the ability to taxate mexico, and be the central party for intercountry logistics adding further to our economy. It would bring Mexico up to our standard of living and there by making it more lucrative for Mexicans to stay in Mexico. Then security wise, there would only be one land mass to guard, The land bridge between Mexico and South america. Everything else would be in the water. I see a whole lot of benefits to this type of union, while maintaining ourselves as a country.

[Seved]

If this were to be the method of opening them, then I would disagree. The united states would gain highly from canada's logging industry, the ability to taxate mexico, and be the central party for intercountry logistics adding further to our economy. It would bring Mexico up to our standard of living and there by making it more lucrative for Mexicans to stay in Mexico. Then security wise, there would only be one land mass to guard, The land bridge between Mexico and South america. Everything else would be in the water. I see a whole lot of benefits to this type of union, while maintaining ourselves as a country.

I am going to have to disagree with you on this.

Here is a quote that i feel really reflects the issue with opening the borders.

Corsi explains: The goal of the elites is to create, with almost unnoticeable gradualness, a North American Union modeled on the European Union. It wouldn't happen by legislation but through a process of evolving partnerships and increasingly free migration, until the day we wake up and find the old United States gone! If this sounds paranoid, consider what Vicente Fox told a Madrid audience in 2002: "our long-range objective is to establish with the United States, but also with Canada ... an ensemble of connections and institutions similar to those created by the European Union ..." NAFTA tribunals have already reviewed U.S. court decisions.

Doubtless there are economic development zealots who think regional integration is a great idea. We must respond that we are more than an economy; we are a nation with a constitutional heritage of limited government -- with private property rights for all, not just the super-rich. This heritage -- in bad enough shape after ghastly Supreme Court decisions like Kelo -- will disappear in less than a generation if the United States is eased into a regional superstate.

Unconvinced? Look at Europe. Look especially at France. Under the European Union, France has become a jobless no-man's land of unassimilated immigrants (mostly Muslim) -- a tinderbox that has already erupted in violence. The plain truth is, the borderless economic utopia of the elites just won't work. It will widen the gulf between rich and poor, and further undermine a middle class still reeling from NAFTA. It will trigger justified resentment if native-born Americans see ex-illegals reaping benefits (e.g. Social Security) for work done while still illegal (this is in the Senate immigration bill).

Continue with regional integration, and within 20 years America will look like France does now.

And in response to protecting one giant land mass. We cannot currently protect our own against Terrorist. Militarly we are the strongest, and I would not feel safe in using our resources in help protecting two other huge countries when 19 plane hijackers can attack our own soil.

[Martian]

I am going to have to disagree with you on this.

Here is a quote that i feel really reflects the issue with opening the borders.



And in response to protecting one giant land mass. We cannot currently protect our own against Terrorist. Militarly we are the strongest, and I would not feel safe in using our resources in help protecting two other huge countries when 19 plane hijackers can attack our own soil.

Well to counter, Our nations power comes not from its money but from its people. The government can't act without our approval. It may be a very long process but no matter what this is our country protected and run by its people.

The reason we can't protect ourselves well now is due to the large land borders we currently have. If you don't have to protect that much land and only have to concentrate on a by sea invasion, whether its by a group or a country, thats alot less area to patrol.

Don't get me wrong, I'm positive that there are people in power willing to exploit this type of situation for there own gain, particularly in Mexico. However there is always an up and a dwon side. IMO, I think we could (key word) see far more ups than downs.

[Seved]

Well to counter, Our nations power comes not from its money but from its people. The government can't act without our approval. It may be a very long process but no matter what this is our country protected and run by its people.

The reason we can't protect ourselves well now is due to the large land borders we currently have. If you don't have to protect that much land and only have to concentrate on a by sea invasion, whether its by a group or a country, thats alot less area to patrol.

Don't get me wrong, I'm positive that there are people in power willing to exploit this type of situation for there own gain, particularly in Mexico. However there is always an up and a dwon side. IMO, I think we could (key word) see far more ups than downs.

In reply to our nation cannot do anything with out the approval of our people, they are currently doing this with out our approval. Most people on here and the majority of America didn't even realize this was taking place.

Also, the Terror attacks in which we are most vunerable to according to our government are not from the borders, they are from people comming from over seas. If the threat was from our borders then we would have protected those long ago. Think back to Sept 11th. The day after the Terrorist attacks no soldiers were sent to our borders to protect them. We did not secure our country from canadian and mexican borders more so then what they currently are.

Also, Canada and Mexico wouldn't in there wildest dreams want to attack us, or aid in the attacking of us. So once again, what would be the benefit in connecting the three countries?

[Martian]

In reply to our nation cannot do anything with out the approval of our people, they are currently doing this with out our approval. Most people on here and the majority of America didn't even realize this was taking place.
We vote people into power and we can just as easily take them out of it. I'll also mention 2nd amendment.

Also, the Terror attacks in which we are most vunerable to according to our government are not from the borders, they are from people comming from over seas. If the threat was from our borders then we would have protected those long ago. Think back to Sept 11th. The day after the Terrorist attacks no soldiers were sent to our borders to protect them. We did not secure our country from canadian and mexican borders more so then what they currently are.

There is always going to be a way. Nothing is absolute. But, we are invaded from the north and the south more per capita than we are by boat or plane.

Also, Canada and Mexico wouldn't in there wildest dreams want to attack us, or aid in the attacking of us. So once again, what would be the benefit in connecting the three countries?
They would have greater incentive to keep us safe. Plain and simple, money talks.

[Seved]

There is always going to be a way. Nothing is absolute. But, we are invaded from the north and the south more per capita than we are by boat or plane.

What are we invaded from by the north and south from? Illegal immigration.


I want to encourage you to goto this link. This is only a small example of what is happening to America.

If you cannot see, Mexicans take down the American Flag and put up a Mexican flag over a American Federal Post office.

http://www.jonesreport.com/articles/300806_mexican_flag.html

Explain to me how opening the borders will not affect our economy negativly. Like the quote I gave eariler look at France it was once prosperous, now it is flooded with immigrants.

They would have greater incentive to keep us safe. Plain and simple, money talks.

We shouldn't have to pay other countries to keep us safe, that is the duty of America. We do not and should not rely on other countries to giving us protection. Protecting our own borders will do that.

[Martian]

What are we invaded from by the north and south from? Illegal immigration.


I want to encourage you to goto this link. This is only a small example of what is happening to America.

If you cannot see, Mexicans take down the American Flag and put up a Mexican flag over a American Federal Post office.

http://www.jonesreport.com/articles/300806_mexican_flag.html

Explain to me how opening the borders will not affect our economy negativly. Like the quote I gave eariler look at France it was once prosperous, now it is flooded with immigrants.



We shouldn't have to pay other countries to keep us safe, that is the duty of America. We do not and should not rely on other countries to giving us protection. Protecting our own borders will do that.

Not everything is a crisis. I have made more than my point on this. I more than understand yours. And......................I'm about off work, so I might continue this tomorrow. For now though I'm going home.

[Weston]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/c/c4/NAFTA-Emblem.gif

This has been a long time coming. It's just the next step after NAFTA. I don't really see much value in it though... the benefit of Canada is cancelled out by the parasite that is Mexico. We need to stop giving Mexico hand-outs and letting them leach off of us, and then they'll actually have a reason to get their shit together and fix their own country.

I also see this as a way for the government, and the greedy corporations that corrupt it, to keep the border open so that they can keep using Mexicans as 2nd class labor... now it will just be legal, so the problem will get even worse. Even though the Mexicans claim they want to do "the jobs that Americans don't want to do", it's fucking stupid to let them be a 2nd class... that will only serve to encourage prejudice and hostilities, and further divide this country. It will further the invasion and take-over of this country by Mexico and lead to riots, and possibily even civil war. This is what corporate greed gets us. We care too much about profiting today, that we bring about our own destruction tomorrow.

[David]

No, fuck that, the last thing we need is more power in a single set of hands.

[Seved]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/c/c4/NAFTA-Emblem.gif

This has been a long time coming. It's just the next step after NAFTA. I don't really see much value in it though... the benefit of Canada is cancelled out by the parasite that is Mexico. We need to stop giving Mexico hand-outs and letting them leach off of us, and then they'll actually have a reason to get their shit together and fix their own country.

I also see this as a way for the government, and the greedy corporations that corrupt it, to keep the border open so that they can keep using Mexicans as 2nd class labor... now it will just be legal, so the problem will get even worse. Even though the Mexicans claim they want to do "the jobs that Americans don't want to do", it's fucking stupid to let them be a 2nd class... that will only serve to encourage prejudice and hostilities, and further divide this country. It will further the invasion and take-over of this country by Mexico and lead to riots, and possibily even civil war. This is what corporate greed gets us. We care too much about profiting today, that we bring about our own destruction tomorrow.

:werd:

David
No, fuck that, the last thing we need is more power in a single set of hands.

:werd:

[Loud_Scott]

there's enough shit wrong in American right now; the billions spent to "connect the 3 countries" should be used to fix our own damn roads, pay teachers more than McDonald's counter people, and figure out wtf to do with the homeless and poor Americans..... not turn North America into some kinda of Giant-bastard country

[Seved]

there's enough shit wrong in American right now; the billions spent to "connect the 3 countries" should be used to fix our own damn roads, pay teachers more than McDonald's counter people, and figure out wtf to do with the homeless and poor Americans..... not turn North America into some kinda of Giant-bastard country


I agree with you 100% on the teachers of America. Right now there is a shortage of nurses due to the fact that there is really no incentive to become a nurse teacher. A nurse teacher makes about 1/3rd that of a working nurse in a hospital, who would want to do that?

[Weston]

What are we invaded from by the north and south from? Illegal immigration.


I want to encourage you to goto this link. This is only a small example of what is happening to America.

If you cannot see, Mexicans take down the American Flag and put up a Mexican flag over a American Federal Post office.

http://www.jonesreport.com/articles/300806_mexican_flag.html


:werd: Illegal immigration really isn't the problem though... The term "immigration" really doesn't apply to a lot of whats going on; it's the illegal invasion that's fucking us all over. An "immigrant" moves here, learns the language and respects the country, because they want to become an American. They are usually decent human beings and I respect them for trying to work for a better life for their family, even if they had to come here illegally (the legal route isn't easy for a Mexican). However, an "invader" comes here, refuses to learn the language or show any respect, leaches off of the resources, and attempts to take over an area in the name of their own country. These are the ones protesting, acting like they're entitled to something, and flying the mexican flag in our country, and they are nothing but scum that is bringing us all down.

[Weston]

there's enough shit wrong in American right now; the billions spent to "connect the 3 countries" should be used to fix our own damn roads, pay teachers more than McDonald's counter people, and figure out wtf to do with the homeless and poor Americans..... not turn North America into some kinda of Giant-bastard country

:werd: This administration is like a child with a credit card... they run up a huge tab on stupid bullshit that we don't need or want, completely ignoring the things that need to actually be taken care of.

[Seved]

:werd: Illegal immigration really isn't the problem though... The term "immigration" really doesn't apply to a lot of whats going on; it's the illegal invasion that's fucking us all over. An "immigrant" moves here, learns the language and respects the country, because they want to become an American. They are usually decent human beings and I respect them for trying to work for a better life for their family, even if they had to come here illegally (the legal route isn't easy for a Mexican). However, an "invader" comes here, refuses to learn the language or show any respect, leaches off of the resources, and attempts to take over an area in the name of their own country. These are the ones protesting, acting like they're entitled to something, and flying the mexican flag in our country, and they are nothing but scum that is bringing us all down.

Oh don't get me wrong, it is true that many hispanics are here and truly are here for the better life, in which they learn english, and word there ass off. And you are right about the "invader", they are the ones that demand rights where they shouldn't even have the right to be here.

[rmcdaniels]

And the will (or best interests) of the people has very little to do with who gets elected to high office and what government does. Sure we have a choice, but only between carefully vetted candidates. It's like the choice between a blue 1982 Chevy Cavalier and a red 1982 Chevy Cavalier.

[Weston-work]

And the will (or best interests) of the people has very little to do with who gets elected to high office and what government does. Sure we have a choice, but only between carefully vetted candidates. It's like the choice between a blue 1982 Chevy Cavalier and a red 1982 Chevy Cavalier.

:werd: We don't have a democracy, just the illusion of one... Tyranny is far more effective when the people think that they live in a democracy.

[-=[Juztin]=-]

The thought of U'ing our continents together does seem to have some benefits in terms of new economic roads, and alliances.. but also what about political situations such as Chavez and his country being lubby dubby w/ Iran, and so forth. It really seems like the only fully functional country that would be in our own Union is the USA itself, with the rest being 3rd world countries or countries without really much power in the world view. I dont think assimilation of all of us is particularly bad if done right, but we'd seem to be the one's with all the leg work in this. I can see an immediate return on enhanced GDP thru columbia with Coke being it's main wonderful product that we can export to the EU and not just fuck them over, but cost them good coin to do so :) I'm kinda mixed on this, but right now I'm leaning it to more of being a bad idea just for the sake of why should we combine with a bunch of 3rd world/pansy countries. We'd be getting a lot of Frances in the deal which really sucks.