Anyone Ever Notice You Carrying?

[SlamMan]

My permit showed up last week. :guns:

I carry a commander size 1911 and it doesn't exactly disappear under a t shirt. No one I've talked to has said they noticed it and maybe I'm being self conscious but I wouldn't be surprised if someone noticed too.

Has anyone else been made carrying or anything else weird happen while carrying?

[Brandon]

that's pretty big gun for concealed carry.

[Weston-work]

that's pretty big gun for concealed carry.

:werd:

[stu]

Scott on here was once arrested for having just an empty holder on while at a Subway.

[Weston-work]

"empty holder"? You mean a holster? That's not illegal. What happened with that?

[exciv2000]

was not

[SlamMan]

that's pretty big gun for concealed carry.

It's the worst when I'm sitting and even then it's not that bad. The great thing about a 1911 is they're thin. That's why so many people carry them. My neighbor carries a full size 5" officers model and I can never tell if he's got it on him and he only wears a t-shirt.

[SlamMan]

What does everyone else carry? How do you carry? IWB?

[HONDA GHANDI]

.38 special, G-21 (in the winter when I wear heavy clothes)

[chris]

nunchucks, people freak out when they catch a glimpse, for good reason too, ill fuck em up

[SlamMan]

.38 special, G-21 (in the winter when I wear heavy clothes)

Shit Tobi. Yours is bigger than mine. Err, wait, NM. :frown:

[Kwando]

i have noticed several people when they are carrying... one in particular was a guy in cargo pants, shirt, and a 5.11 vest... not to mention his wilderness belt...

most people don't even notice... if they see it they think its a pager...

my daily carry is a G23 IWB in a comp-tac CTAC holster (its the best holster that i've tried)... i also carry a LED 3w flashlight, a folding blade, 2oz of OC, and an extra mag... take away the gun and the extra mag for places that i cannot carry... all with a 1.5" wilderness belt...

http://photos.imageevent.com/kwando/mydailycarryrig/websize/PC120063.JPG

[Skaterkid]

Fucking christ! You afraid of being jumped Simon?

[stu]

What's OC?

[Jackrabbit]

It's like tear gas.

[Kwando]

Fucking christ! You afraid of being jumped Simon?

no... but i'm not going to wait for the cops to show up when some guys are trying to jump me and my wife...

self defense should become natural to humans... just like the animal world...

i don't start shit anymore, but if someone wants to start shit with me, i will be the one ending it...

[Kwando]

stu - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oleoresin_Capsicum

[CT9A]

I carry a full size 1911 with an 8 round mag every day with an IWB holster. The only thing that kills me is the hammer when I sit down (it tends to dig into my side) and the thumb safety from it being pressed up against my skin. I will might eventually move to an SA XD-45. My wife got one and I'm very envious.

I'm the one that Stu was referring to with the empty holster. I wasn't ticketed for the holster, I was arrested for illegal CCW. I had the 1911 in the car as I had a little range time and stopped for lunch on the way home. Someone in the restraunt saw the empty holster on my hip and called the cops. I assume they just got a glance at it and "thought" they saw a gun. It was a nylon OWB holster and I was wearing a petty coat type jacket. long story short, I went to King Soopers and had guns drawn on me when I came out of the store. I told them the gun was in the car and had not left there since I left the range. I was issued a ticket anyway and the confiscated (sp?) my 1911. I got the gun back a month later from the court house but ended up with a deferred judgement.

[Mark_H]

My permit should be here in the next several weeks. I'll be carrying my brand new G19.
Mark

[SlamMan]

@CT9A - Wow! That sucks. How long ago was this? I guess I'm a little surprised to hear you had guns drawn on you for something that's not necessarily illegal.

What kind of IWB do you have. Right now I've got a Galco Summer disComfort and it digs into my side. I'm hoping my Milt Sparks Versa Max2 arrives tomorrow. Hopefully it's more comfortable and more concealing.

http://www.miltsparks.com/images/Photos/VM-2_large.jpg

[Kwando]

I carry a full size 1911 with an 8 round mag every day with an IWB holster. The only thing that kills me is the hammer when I sit down (it tends to dig into my side) and the thumb safety from it being pressed up against my skin. I will might eventually move to an SA XD-45. My wife got one and I'm very envious.

I'm the one that Stu was referring to with the empty holster. I wasn't ticketed for the holster, I was arrested for illegal CCW. I had the 1911 in the car as I had a little range time and stopped for lunch on the way home. Someone in the restraunt saw the empty holster on my hip and called the cops. I assume they just got a glance at it and "thought" they saw a gun. It was a nylon OWB holster and I was wearing a petty coat type jacket. long story short, I went to King Soopers and had guns drawn on me when I came out of the store. I told them the gun was in the car and had not left there since I left the range. I was issued a ticket anyway and the confiscated (sp?) my 1911. I got the gun back a month later from the court house but ended up with a deferred judgement.



you got a ticket for illegal CCW but you didn't have a weapon... WTF!

[sts2poc1]

you got a ticket for illegal CCW but you didn't have a weapon... WTF!



It was a nylon OWB holster

hehe, that could look like an anything holder then. what city was this in?

[Brandon]

no... but i'm not going to wait for the cops to show up when some guys are trying to jump me and my wife...

self defense should become natural to humans... just like the animal world...

i don't start shit anymore, but if someone wants to start shit with me, i will be the one ending it...

:werd:

nice knife, whirlwinds and CTAC FTW.
I dunno when I'll ever get my CCW but I like the CTAC and have read nothing but good things about it.

[Dave_L]

I want to get my CCW. Ill prolly get a glock to carry at that point.

Simon, that's a lot of shit to carry around every day.

[Conrad]

I carry this setup belt..


http://zerro.cool.free.fr/Images/big_gun.jpg

[sts2poc1]

Simon, that's a lot of shit to carry around every day.


+1 does it get annoying carrying all that stuff? i guess if you put it in your daily routine, you don't really notice it.

[Weston-work]

no... but i'm not going to wait for the cops to show up when some guys are trying to jump me and my wife...

self defense should become natural to humans... just like the animal world...

i don't start shit anymore, but if someone wants to start shit with me, i will be the one ending it...

:werd: The world is not some sugar-coated candy playground... There are a lot more criminals running around than most poeople think, and they often carry weapons and will not hesitate to use violence. Therefore, people should be prepared so that they're not completely screwed over when they happen to run into a bad situation. Every day, you hear stories on the news of someone being in the wrong place at the wrong time and being the victim of a robbery, car jacking, random act of violence, etc. And most of the time, they get screwed over because didn't have any real means to defend themselves. It's insurance... it's not something that you use often, and if you're lucky, you'll never have to use it, but that doesn't mean that you shouldn't have it covering your ass.

[Kwando]

Simon, that's a lot of shit to carry around every day.


+1 does it get annoying carrying all that stuff? i guess if you put it in your daily routine, you don't really notice it.



actually not really... when i am in the S2K i ususally don't carry the extra mag... my fat ass barely fits in that car anyway... but the OC and extra mag hoslter is horizontal so i can barely tell its there... the flashlight is in my weak side front pocket. the gun is carried IWB at about 3:30.

if you have a uncomfortable holster you will be in pain... if you don't have a good gun belt you gun side will sag...

the belt makes a world of a difference... when i am carrying light i just leave the mag at home... but for the most part, its the same...

[sts2poc1]

so you have to carry the oc and flashlight? does ccw tell you to use only the gun after everything else's failed?

[Kwando]

no i choose to carry the flashlight... i find a lot of uses for it... it comes very handly when you start carrying one...


i carry the OC, so that i can try to eliminate the threat without using lethal force... i'm sure if i sprayed someone with OC, they won't be able to see where i run to... if i can blind them with OC and turn around and run, i would... rather than just shooting them... plus if i ever did shoot someone i can say i tried using less lethal force, that obviouslly didn't work so i had to pull the trigger...

Always carry a cell phone on you... if you were in a dangerous situation, call 911... they will dispatch the cops... and you have everything recorded on tape...

[CT9A]

The city was Lakewood and it happened about 5 years ago.

i use some cheap no name kydex holster that I picked up at one of the Tanner shows. I've been looking at the Milt Sparks Versa Max 2 as well. Let me know how you like it.

[stu]

Sorry Scott, I couldn't remember your screen name at the time.

I like this line from the wikpedia description:

It is a non-lethal agent that can be deadly in rare cases.

[SlamMan]

The city was Lakewood and it happened about 5 years ago.

i use some cheap no name kydex holster that I picked up at one of the Tanner shows. I've been looking at the Milt Sparks Versa Max 2 as well. Let me know how you like it.


I've been using it for about 2 days now and I really like it. It was stiff at first but it's already getting better. There is a flap between your body and the safety/hammer/bevertail so that stuff isn't digging into you when you sit. It's nice. It also prints a lot less and is a lot more stable than the Galco Summer Comfort I was using.

I was considering Milt Sparks Versa Max 2 or Watch 6 and the Brommeland Max Con v. I'm sure you can't go wrong with any of these but I picked up the VM2 because they happened to have one in stock at TopGunSupply.com

[exciv2000]

What's preferable to everyone: under the arm, on the leg, around the waist, other?

[Kwando]

What's preferable to everyone: under the arm, on the leg, around the waist, other?

i like in the wasteband... i tried OWB but the bottom of the holster shows

[SlamMan]

IWB is the way to go.

[Ashton]

I feel bad for the person who shows up to an HAI meet and tries to jack someone.

[Tonnerre]

http://www.special-warfare.net/data_base/202_pistols/pistol_002_01_euro_02/hk_socom_pistol_02.jpg I like this gun but has a US GOV stamp on it.

[Tonnerre]

I saw pics of the 1911 and it seems bulky, this is a lot smaller and has room for 12+1

[exciv2000]

stick to your motorcycle and your own forum. You're not welcome in the firearm forum. You're too dangerous as it is, the last thing you need is a firearm.

[sts2poc1]

http://www.special-warfare.net/data_base/202_pistols/pistol_002_01_euro_02/hk_socom_pistol_02.jpg I like this gun but has a US GOV stamp on it.


nope thats legal to own. but there expensive, and not worth it.

[Tonnerre]

Is it good qualty? I have seen them at pawnshops for about 250-300

[sts2poc1]

really??? they usually start in the thousands for a socom. i had an h&k usp compact .45 and i paid $900 for it after tax.

socom at gunbroker.com (http://gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=56177829) there's an example, so if you can pick one up for $300 i would.

[CT9A]

The 1911 isn't too bad to carry. it's thin so it doesn't 'print' through your shirt like a thicker gun would.

[Jackrabbit]

My Glock 26 doesn't print when I'm naked. ;)

[Jackrabbit]

Is it good qualty? I have seen them at pawnshops for about 250-300

I had a full size USP .45ACP the sibling to that SOCOM above. If you see them at the pawn shop for 2-300 bucks. BUY THEM ALL!
I sold mine used for $600 and that guy got a hell of a deal. I think you might be mistaking it for something else.

[Tonnerre]

really??? they usually start in the thousands for a socom. i had an h&k usp compact .45 and i paid $900 for it after tax.

socom at gunbroker.com (http://gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=56177829) there's an example, so if you can pick one up for $300 i would.
My bad, I saw a few USPs at a pawnshop in Lakewood. They are both in MGS, that is where I first hear of them. But they are simular, I think but the USP if I am not mistaken holds 15, or it did in the game.

[Brandon]

HK is da shit

[Tonnerre]

http://geowww.geo.tcu.edu/student/frazier/usp45_lg.jpg This is the gun I saw there, they look simular.

[sts2poc1]

it's probably a full size usp then.

[Tonnerre]

Are they a good gun?

[sts2poc1]

i liked the one i had, but for the price you can almost have two glocks. (brand new $900+)
i didn't like was the cost of extra mags. they were $50 for an 8 rounder (uspc45) and i was gonna buy 6 extra ones for idpa. detail stripping it is a bitch, and you can't clean some things like you could a glock. other then that, i never had any problems with it.

[Brandon]

the H&K fit my hand better. The glocks weren't comfortable.

[sts2poc1]

some ranges have these for rent, so i would go and try it out, and see what works the best for you.

[Tonnerre]

I live in a dorm so I can not have one, But I admire a few kinds of guns.

[Mario]

I am way too much of a people loving person to be reading this thread... ;)

[Kwando]

you aren't even old enough... stick to trying to kill yourself on a bike

[lswhitecivic]

you aren't even old enough... stick to trying to kill yourself on a bike

:werd:

No reason to be looking at handguns if you: 1. Live in student housing and 2. Aren't old enough to own a handgun.

[sts2poc1]

I am way too much of a people loving person to be reading this thread... ;)

not to many people think like you, and i hope to never have to use mine in self defense.

[Mario]

not to many people think like you, and i hope to never have to use mine in self defense.

Haha no they don't.

In all honestly, the chances of me having to use a gun are pretty slim. I mean what? Someone steals my girls purse while we are walking and I kill him? That's a shit load of court and investigation right there.

I just pop one in his leg or shoulder? Well that leaves him talking meaning all sorts of shit available to happen.

Not worth the risk in my opinion, I know I live in a good area though so it's prolly different for some people here.

[sts2poc1]

i don't carry, and i think i live in an ok area. atleast you know guns don't solve everyone's problems, and i commend you for that. (or whatever, can't seem to find the right word)

[Brandon]

No one that carries looks for a reason to use it (hopefully), it's just a little more insurance. I wear a seat belt but have never needed one in the last 9 years of driving.

[Jackrabbit]

'Tis better to have and not need, than to need and not have.

[Tonnerre]

you aren't even old enough... stick to trying to kill yourself on a bike

I am 22, I can own a gun if I want. And they way the world is turning out it would be a good idea to get one, in the next few years.

[Kwando]

Haha no they don't.

In all honestly, the chances of me having to use a gun are pretty slim. I mean what? Someone steals my girls purse while we are walking and I kill him? That's a shit load of court and investigation right there.

I just pop one in his leg or shoulder? Well that leaves him talking meaning all sorts of shit available to happen.

Not worth the risk in my opinion, I know I live in a good area though so it's prolly different for some people here.



i remember reading a book of stories about CCW/firearms... a lady was just stoppping by a book store to kill time, minding her own business reading books when a nut case came in to try to rob the place... ended up killing like 3 people including her mother inlaw.... she had her CCW and a gun but it was in the car...

point is, you fucking NEVER know what might happen next... but i rather be prepared for it, if it does... there are too many regular people out there that just loose it for no reason...

[CT9A]

I'd rather be judged by 12 than carried by six. I heard this somewhere and love it.

[SlamMan]

In all honestly, the chances of me having to use a gun are pretty slim. I mean what? Someone steals my girls purse while we are walking and I kill him? That's a shit load of court and investigation right there.

I just pop one in his leg or shoulder? Well that leaves him talking meaning all sorts of shit available to happen.

Not worth the risk in my opinion, I know I live in a good area though so it's prolly different for some people here.

The thing is you don't get to kill the bad guy for just stealing a purse. You are only allowed to use lethal force to defend yourself if you fear your life is in danger. If the bad guy had a knife or gun and was robbing you and your GF then you could, and by all means should, kill him.

Like Kwando said "you just never fucking know". Just think how helpless you would be to an attacker that outweighed you by 50-100 lbs. Now say he has a weapon. Even worse think about how you would feel if you and your GF or family were attacked and there wasn't shit you could do to defend them.

Think about how much money people spend every year on all kinds of insurance. Carrying is cheap compared to insurance and I'd much rather be caught without insurance than without a gun. I've only been carrying for a few weeks now and it's already second nature. Now in the morning instead of checking for wallet, keys, phone before I walk out the door I check for wallet, keys, phone, gun. I hardly notice it's there anymore and I'm disappointed that I didn't start earlier.

[Kwando]

The thing is you don't get to kill the bad guy for just stealing a purse. You are only allowed to use lethal force to defend yourself if you fear your life is in danger. If the bad guy had a knife or gun and was robbing you and your GF then you could, and by all means should, kill him.

Like Kwando said "you just never fucking know". Just think how helpless you would be to an attacker that outweighed you by 50-100 lbs. Now say he has a weapon. Even worse think about how you would feel if you and your GF or family were attacked and there wasn't shit you could do to defend them.

Think about how much money people spend every year on all kinds of insurance. Carrying is cheap compared to insurance and I'd much rather be caught without insurance than without a gun. I've only been carrying for a few weeks now and it's already second nature. Now in the morning instead of checking for wallet, keys, phone before I walk out the door I check for wallet, keys, phone, gun. I hardly notice it's there anymore and I'm disappointed that I didn't start earlier.

look at that couple taht was beaten almost to death near lowell and 32nd... think about that cop that got shot yesterday... shit like this happens daily, i'm not waiting for it to happen to me before i take action...

[Weston]

look at that couple taht was beaten almost to death near lowell and 32nd... think about that cop that got shot yesterday... shit like this happens daily, i'm not waiting for it to happen to me before i take action...

:werd: FOX 31 News is on right now, and within just the first 5 minutes, they talked about 5 different cases of murder or attempted murder in the Denver area. This shit happens every day... innocent people frequently pay the price for being in the wrong place at the wrong time with no means of defending themselves. People think they are safe because they have the false assumption that criminals and crazy people think the same way as the rest of us. We don't do these things because they're morally wrong, we don't want to get caught, face the consequences, feel guilty, etc. But there is an ever increasing number of people who don't think that way, and they do not consider or care about the consequences, so they will do brazen things in broad daylight, just like that cop that got shot the other day. It is disturbingly easy for a determined person to kill or seriously injure a lot of people before they are stopped. As an innocent person, your odds in these situations are often not good at all, but they aren't as nearly bad if you are prepared and able to defend yourself.

[Mario]

The thing is you don't get to kill the bad guy for just stealing a purse. You are only allowed to use lethal force to defend yourself if you fear your life is in danger. If the bad guy had a knife or gun and was robbing you and your GF then you could, and by all means should, kill him.

Like Kwando said "you just never fucking know". Just think how helpless you would be to an attacker that outweighed you by 50-100 lbs. Now say he has a weapon. Even worse think about how you would feel if you and your GF or family were attacked and there wasn't shit you could do to defend them.

Think about how much money people spend every year on all kinds of insurance. Carrying is cheap compared to insurance and I'd much rather be caught without insurance than without a gun. I've only been carrying for a few weeks now and it's already second nature. Now in the morning instead of checking for wallet, keys, phone before I walk out the door I check for wallet, keys, phone, gun. I hardly notice it's there anymore and I'm disappointed that I didn't start earlier.

OK the problem is, "You are only allowed to use lethal force to defend yourself if you fear your life is in danger." is a very debatable cause. That means that it can be argued in court and won against you as well.

I can understand why you carry, but I would be interested in seeing the outcome of this type of situation.

-Mario

[NZDarren]

I don't have my CCW but it is something I have been wanting to do for a while, did you do a course to make it easier to get the permit?

If I had to choose between some scumbags life or myself/family it wouldn't be a tough decision.

[Jackrabbit]

The thing is you don't get to kill the bad guy for just stealing a purse. You are only allowed to use lethal force to defend yourself if you fear your life is in danger. If the bad guy had a knife or gun and was robbing you and your GF then you could, and by all means should, kill him.



"Colorado Constitution. Art II section 13. Right to keep and bear arms.

The right of no person to keep and bear arms in defense of his home, person and poperty, or in aid of the civil power when therto legally summoned, shall be called into question; but nothing herein contained shall be construed to justify the practice of carrying concealed weapons."

Oh, it's definately arguable. There was a guy a few years back, I want to say Littleton?, who shot some dude in the back that was breaking into his car. He was aquitted.
Get in front of a jury. These days, everyone has had something bad happen to them. No one likes a theif. ;)

[Mario]

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/bear%20arms


10. bear arms,
a. to carry weapons.

It means you are simply allowed to carry a weapon for that purpose - it doesn't mean you get to use it.

[SlamMan]

I don't have my CCW but it is something I have been wanting to do for a while, did you do a course to make it easier to get the permit?


Took the CCW class at www.GunsmokeGuns.com in Wheatridge. I really like them a lot. I just finished the 3 day essential pistol class on Monday.

I applied for the Florida permit. In the future I'd consider getting the Utah permit but you must attend training by a Utah certified instructor. Biggest advantage Utah has over Florida is cost.

[Jackrabbit]

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/bear%20arms



It means you are simply allowed to carry a weapon for that purpose - it doesn't mean you get to use it.

Oh and that makes sense?

"Sir you can carry a gun to defend yourself but it's illegal to actually use it."
Debating on dictionary definitions is weak. A typical high school debate team tactic. When you're wrong, attack the definition and avert the discussion. Lame.

If I bear my fists, it means I intend to use them. It doesn't mean i'm carrying them.

Keep and bear arms means to be able to own and use firearms without question.

"No Free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms."
-- Thomas Jefferson

"The great object is, that every man be armed ... Every one who is able may have a gun."
-- Patrick Henry

"The right [to bear arms] is general. It may be supposed from the phraseology of this provision that the right to keep and bear arms was only guaranteed to the militia; but this would be an interpretation not warranted by the intent. The militia, as has been explained elsewhere, consists of those persons who, under the laws, are liable to the performance of military duty, and are officered and enrolled for service when called upon.... [I]f the right were limited to those enrolled, the purpose of the guarantee might be defeated altogether by the action or the neglect to act of the government it was meant to hold in check. The meaning of the provision undoubtedly is, that the people, from whom the militia must be taken, shall have the right to keep and bear arms, and they need no permission or regulation of law for the purpose. But this enables the government to have a well regulated militia; for to bear arms implies something more than mere keeping; it implies the learning to handle and use them in a way that makes those who keep them ready for their efficient use; in other words, it implies the right to meet for voluntary discipline in arms, observing in so doing the laws of public order."
-- Thomas M. Cooley, General Principles of Constitutional Law, Third Edition [1898]

[JL LGT]

Took the CCW class at www.GunsmokeGuns.com in Wheatridge. I really like them a lot. I just finished the 3 day essential pistol class on Monday.

I applied for the Florida permit. In the future I'd consider getting the Utah permit but you must attend training by a Utah certified instructor. Biggest advantage Utah has over Florida is cost.
Thanx for the link.

I'm going to be taking a class here in the Springs for the CCW, but Gunsmoke has plenty of classes I could get into. Like the Carbine class.

How was the 3 day pistol class you attended?

[B20civic]

.38 special

nobody notices when i carry their albums around:guns:

[HONDA GHANDI]

LOL

[Mario]

Everyone should carry. I agree now:

http://www.highaltitudeimports.com/showthread.php?p=611732#post611732

So that way this situation would be avoided. And 10 others can be created. :)

[Brandon]

Everyone should carry. blah blah blah :D

I agree. An armed society is a polite society.

[Mario]

Oh man that had me laughing hard. :rofl:

[Mark_H]

Here is my baby, I love the size. Easy to conceal, yet big enough to intimidate if need be.
M
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid214/p37822574e7f0360b05a39787bb4facdf/ed1b114a.jpg

[97CivicNick]

umm 18 or 21 to own a handgun in CO what about concealed weapons permit

[stu]

21 to purchase.

[Weston]

21 to purchase handguns or handgun ammo, and normally 21 for a concealed permit (can be given to 18+ on a temporary basis for emergencies)