Smoking ban not being stopped!

[STIBungy]

I'm with stupid ^^^^

[Terry]

i heard hungs really a shim

[hatchbackgirl]

I was at Sweetwater one evening (100th and Wads, by the way, Tuesday nights there are ALOT of fuckin hotties there for a small bar) but I was talking to the bartender and this guy down the bar lit up at the end of the bar, she went down and grabbed it out of his hand and put it in his drink! LOL

She came back and said that an undercover cop was going to alot of the local bars in Westy, Broomfield, Arvada and other areas and that they had got tagged by one! The person smoking was fined $120, as well as each of the bartenders was fined $100......not just hte person that was smokng got fined, so they dont fuck with the ban lol

Sweetwater is a dump... we went there one nite last Spring and after we left we thought the cigarette smell would never come out of our clothes. We even had a couple of smoker's with us that were grossed out.

[nicklk]

Sweetwater is a dump... we went there one nite last Spring and after we left we thought the cigarette smell would never come out of our clothes. We even had a couple of smoker's with us that were grossed out.

LOL, its completely changed over the past year I guess......Tuesday and Wednesday nights are freakin hopping there, alot of younger kids from the Westminster/Broomfield area go there, lotsa hotties, Weds night is Beerpong night too......I like it! Especially now you cant smoke

[hatchbackgirl]

LOL, its completely changed over the past year I guess......Tuesday and Wednesday nights are freakin hopping there, alot of younger kids from the Westminster/Broomfield area go there, lotsa hotties, Weds night is Beerpong night too......I like it! Especially now you cant smoke

sweet..seems like it has changed. oh, and when we went there it was mostly older adults like 40yo and up.

[nicklk]

Officially been one year to the date of the ban going into effect!

Cool thing is that alot of countries are following suit as well!!! Now the whole US needs to ban smoking!

http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/europe/07/01/smoking.facts.reut/index.html

[Weston]

Officially been one year to the date of the ban going into effect!

Cool thing is that alot of countries are following suit as well!!! Now the whole US needs to ban smoking!

http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/europe/07/01/smoking.facts.reut/index.html

:werd:

[Brian]

I love it. Now I don't have to burn my clothing when I go out to a bar or out to eat.

[Loud_Scott]

Officially been one year to the date of the ban going into effect!

Cool thing is that alot of countries are following suit as well!!! Now the whole US needs to ban smoking!

http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/europe/07/01/smoking.facts.reut/index.html

:werd: I can't wait to live in Communist China and have the government make all my decisions :rolleyes:

btw, before someone jumps the bandwagon and yells "oh you dirty smoker get your cancer out of my lungs!" -- I don't smoke... but I DO remember when America was "the land of the free" --

[stu]

Officially been one year to the date of the ban going into effect!

Cool thing is that alot of countries are following suit as well!!! Now the whole US needs to ban smoking!

http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/europe/07/01/smoking.facts.reut/index.html

Ummm, weren't you against this when it started?

[myshtern]

Fuck smokers, this is working out great

[myshtern]

:werd: I can't wait to live in Communist China and have the government make all my decisions :rolleyes:

btw, before someone jumps the bandwagon and yells "oh you dirty smoker get your cancer out of my lungs!" -- I don't smoke... but I DO remember when America was "the land of the free" --

I generally agree with you'll see by the popularity in this thread alone that this an example of GOOD Government regulation.

Want to smoke? Go outside, don't ruin the air for everyone else.

[stu]

Ummm, weren't you against this when it started?

Never mind, I just read the first post again. I guess you're still cool in my book.

[nicklk]

:werd: I can't wait to live in Communist China and have the government make all my decisions :rolleyes:



They are making a decision that will reduce health care costs, improve overall health of the whole US, the list goes on of benefits of controlling a legal substance that does much harm to those that are around it.....

Ummm, weren't you against this when it started?

Negative, I have been definatly pro-smoking ban since they banned it in Oregon when I lived there in 2003.....I even started this thread :D

[Bedlam]

Screw smoking! Screw smokers! They should all die! Well maybe not..but I really enjoy not having to worry about it anymore when I go places. :)

[Martian]

Still against it here for the same reasons as before. Non smokers had a choice before the ban, businesses chose who their customer base was going to be. Just because something is good for individual health doesn't make it good government policy. Guns are harmful to innocent bystanders all the time, but I don't think they should be illegal.

[myshtern]

Still against it here for the same reasons as before. Non smokers had a choice before the ban, businesses chose who their customer base was going to be.
I was against it for the reason of businesses as well but it turns out to have had the exact opposite effect. More people are going to bars and clubs now because they don't have to bother with cigarette smoke (i.e. bedlam)

[myshtern]

The smoking ban is all round good for everyone, business owners and consumers.

The only people who really oppose it now are asshole smokers who don't want to go outside and hardcore right wingers.

[LOL_ALIAS]

Im against it and I'm not a smoker or a hardcore right winger

[myshtern]

I forgot to mention d-bags :D

[Weston-work]

I generally agree with you'll see by the popularity in this thread alone that this an example of GOOD Government regulation.

Want to smoke? Go outside, don't ruin the air for everyone else.

:werd: It's pretty ridiculous that smokers are claiming that their "right" to poison the air is a more important "freedom" than the right of other people to breathe clean healthy air. Smoke in your homes, cars, and designated pro-smoker businesses all you want, but I can't stand it in regular places where I have to share the air with that shit. They have no more of a right to poison my air than I have to dump dirty motor oil into the public water supply.

[Martian]

The smoking ban is all round good for everyone, business owners and consumers.

The only people who really oppose it now are asshole smokers who don't want to go outside and hardcore right wingers.

I challenge you to back both statements up. Bars are closing left and right because their customer base isn't around any longer. My fiancee, who is a NON smoker, hates cigarettes, and is leftist more than right, is against the ban.

I don't smoke in my own home, so that she doesn't have to deal with it.

So don't try and make me out to be some evil person out to kill you.

People who are for the ban are generally concerned with only themselves, but use the excuse of general populous health. There are some who are not, however they are the minority.

As far as health costs go, The smokes I buy are taxed 4 times, soley for the purpose of maintaining healthcare costs. They tax the manufacturer when they are sold(Federal tax), they tax the shipper when they are transported(federal tax), they tax the retailer(state tax),and they tax the consumer(state tax). Everyone of those are outside of any normal sales tax. You add that and its 5 times(sales tax is municiple).

I don't mind going outside to smoke and never have, I went to restraunts AND bars that didn't allow smoking prior to the ban. But they had the choice to allow or disallow it. This ban has taken their right to run their business away from them.

Trans fat bans are the new thing coming, and it might be better for the people in general. But the government has no right to be in our personal lives. IT has no right to make these choices for us. Like I said just before the ban took effect, eventually they will ban something that you enjoyed or feel strongly about. Maybe then you'll understand this is more then just smokers being pissed.

[Martian]

:werd: It's pretty ridiculous that smokers are claiming that their "right" to poison the air is a more important "freedom" than the right of other people to breathe clean healthy air. Smoke in your homes, cars, and designated pro-smoker businesses all you want, but I can't stand it in regular places where I have to share the air with that shit. They have no more of a right to poison my air than I have to dump dirty motor oil into the public water supply.
Weston can you name one time when you were forced to to breath my second hand smoke?

[myshtern]

I dont really care about the health, I'm sure me inhaling a bunch of second hand once or twice a week will never affect me.

Does that mean I still have put up with inhaling a mouthful of smoke every time I take a breath? Not everyone wants to smell like piss after going out either.

Want to smoke? just go outside.

If bars you know of are closing down that means they were just bad businesses.

I know that since the smoking ban, I've been going out more often then going somewhere afterwards knowing I wont smell like shit. The girls I'm with never complain about the smoke anymore so they go too. Just look at it in the popularity of this thread alone.

It's overwhelmingly popular. It makes people want to go out, plain and simple.

[LOL_ALIAS]

People need to stop being such whiny bitches - thats what I think.

[Brian]

There was actually an article in the paper the other day where they interviewed a bunch of restaurant and bar owners. Overall they said business is up and even if the ban were lifted they would likely keep their establishments non smoking. The "closures" are highly over exaggerated. There is a web site with supposed closures due to the ban, but when interviewed all of the abr owners said the ban had little or nothing to do with them closing.

[Seved]

If you smoke, have respect and go outside.

[Brian]

That's all it comes down to. Respect others. I don't want to breathe that shit, so go outside. I would do the same for you if I were a smoker.

[Seved]

But then again, this is America and respecting other people isn't really in our code of conduct.

[V8SpankR]

Why should anybody cater to someone's drug habit?

[Weston-work]

That's all it comes down to. Respect others. I don't want to breathe that shit, so go outside. I would do the same for you if I were a smoker.

:werd:

But then again, this is America and respecting other people isn't really in our code of conduct.

:werd: We refuse to take responsibility for our actions too.

Why should anybody cater to someone's drug habit?

:werd:

[Martian]

you guys really need to get above the smoking part of this. There is by far, more to this issue than its initial subject. One day you'll understand. I just hope its sooner than later.

[myshtern]

you guys really need to get above the smoking part of this. There is by far, more to this issue than its initial subject. One day you'll understand. I just hope its sooner than later.
No no you have it all backwards :)

You need to see that this is all about smoking and has nothing to do with public health or freedoms.

No one likes smoke in their face, it's that simple

[Loud_Scott]

That's all it comes down to. Respect others. I don't want to breathe that shit, so go outside. I would do the same for you if I were a smoker.

If it's all about "respect" then how come none of you non-smokers will respect the choice of a PRIVATE business owner to ALLOW smoking in their establishment??

It seems that some of you should practice what you preach....but that is nothing new on HAI -- Land of Hypocrisy

[Dave_L]

I still love this ban.

[Weston-work]

Because they were financially pressured into allowing it. If they banned smoking, they'd lose business because people would go elsewhere. But when the law bans smoking everywhere, then they don't have that problem.

[Bedlam]

People who are for the ban are generally concerned with only themselves, but use the excuse of general populous health.[/B].

Now THATS a bullshit statement right there...haha...we all know how much smokers care about everyone else! Hey, deal with my foul ass habit..while you are at it, be happy that I litter the f'ing world up with my butts! Oh..I start fires when I throw my cigs out the window and destroy forests and grasslands? Its OK! I dont want to stink up MY CAR!

[Loud_Scott]

Now THATS a bullshit statement right there...haha...we all know how much smokers care about everyone else! Hey, deal with my foul ass habit..while you are at it, be happy that I litter the f'ing world up with my butts! Oh..I start fires when I throw my cigs out the window and destroy forests and grasslands? Its OK! I dont want to stink up MY CAR!


Both sides, at this point, are just generalizing the worst of the other.

"smokers don't care!"
"non-smokers don't care!"

OF COURSE there are going to be inconsiderate smokers, but there are also going to be those that are human beings about it. Just like there are dick non-smokers, and dick republicans, and dick democrats....

The fact remains that the gov't took the right away from business owners to do what they want. Whether you like the end result or not, it's not a good idea to have the gov't fucking with choicies of PRIVATE businesses and PRIVATE citizens (yes, we all know about how they fuck with the right to do illegal things like kill people, yadda yadda -- don't get off on a goddamn tangent)

[V8SpankR]

Well,with cigarette killing 1200 people a day and health care costs skyrocketing banning smoking in public places may be doing the populace a favor by restricting it a bit. Smoking is a huge problem in america so there really isn't too much of a solid agument for the smokers.

Drug use isn't a right and I do like going to a bar and seeing a band without looking through a choking haze and smelling like ass when I leave.

[Dave_L]

Scott, I understand what you're saying but like Weston said, most bars had to allow smoking to stay competitive. The gov't still allows you to smoke in your car, house, etc. Just not at public establishments. Just like walking around naked. Feel free to do it in your house but most people don't want to see you naked at a restaurant while eating their dinner.

[DrJones]

The fact remains that the gov't took the right away from business owners to do what they want. Whether you like the end result or not, it's not a good idea to have the gov't fucking with choicies of PRIVATE businesses and PRIVATE citizens (yes, we all know about how they fuck with the right to do illegal things like kill people, yadda yadda -- don't get off on a goddamn tangent)

Exactly, govt can take away the right of them to do illegal things.

Just because someone doesn't think something should be illegal, doesn't mean it isn't. What is and isn't illegal is defined by our laws. In this case, smoking inside was made illegal. There is nothing wrong with that. The government has the ability to do such things.

If the government can make beating your child in a restaurant illegal, than they can make smoking in one illegal. They could also make it illegal to take your dog inside one, or go in one alone, or go in one wearing a cowboy hat. They define what is legal and not legal, so you can't say they don't have the right to take the choice of a legal action away from private citizens and business owners. If they define what is legal, than they have full ability to make any decision about what you can and can't do. It's just a matter of what the public lets them do.

In this case, the public was fine with the ban.

[Weston-work]

Well,with cigarette killing 1200 people a day and health care costs skyrocketing banning smoking in public places may be doing the populace a favor by restricting it a bit. Smoking is a huge problem in america so there really isn't too much of a solid agument for the smokers.

Drug use isn't a right and I do like going to a bar and seeing a band without looking through a choking haze and smelling like ass when I leave.

:werd: The bitter smokers can cry about it until the end of time, but the bottom line is that there was a good reason, and enough public and political support, to create a law that bans it, so it's now banned.

[Loud_Scott]

Well,with cigarette killing 1200 people a day and health care costs skyrocketing banning smoking in public places may be doing the populace a favor by restricting it a bit. Smoking is a huge problem in america so there really isn't too much of a solid agument for the smokers.

Drug use isn't a right and I do like going to a bar and seeing a band without looking through a choking haze and smelling like ass when I leave.

There are 6 billion + people in the world... 1200 a day isn't doing shit to help out our over population problem.

And GOOD -- ya know what? Get the weak ones OUT of the gene pool! Maybe that way the next generation will be LESS stupid that this one, instead of the way it's been going for years and years...

Drug use isn't a right? Until 21 you can't legally drink alcohol -- then you get the "right" to do so at 21 -- alcohol is a drug.

Weston -- there was also enough political and public support to start a war with Iraq...how's that working out?? :rolleyes:

[Dave_L]

But even being 21, you can still get a ticket for being "drunk in public".

[Weston-work]

Weston -- there was also enough political and public support to start a war with Iraq...how's that working out?? :rolleyes:

Apples and oranges, but I'll go ahead and entertain your absurd comparison anyway...

The war's support was because of lies and deception, and when things went badly Bush decided to be a dictator about it, so it became an even bigger mess and it is not supported by hardly anyone outside of Bush's little fan club.


The smoking ban, on the other hand, had public support going in and still continues to have it, as you can see here: http://www.9news.com/poll_results_page.aspx?vdcss=97&Cat=1

There is also a very clear and easy exit strategy for the smoking ban, if things were to somehow go bad... if the majority of the public were to no longer be in favor of the ban, there would be the possibility to repeal the law. You can't say the same about the Iraq war, seeing as how Bush has decided that laws don't apply to him or the war.

[DrJones]

LMAO....

Weston, you did not just link an online poll to support your point did you? Come on....

If we are going to start doing that then it's not even worth debating the next election because 90% of republicans support Ron Paul.

[V8SpankR]

Drug use isn't a right? Until 21 you can't legally drink alcohol -- then you get the "right" to do so at 21 -- alcohol is a drug.



I wouldn't say it's a "right",it's more of a priveledge since that can be taken away if you abuse it i.e. drunk driving,spousal abuse,etc.

And drinking alcohol in a bar doesn't directly affect me if I'm just there minding my own business.

Allowing smoking in a public place is like allowing peeing in a public pool. (ok,that does happen sometimes) :)

[dreadlocks]

I glanced over this thread and now I need to go smoke a Cigerette..

to all you that hate me smoking... I hate you too!

Ive stopped going to clubs, bars and restaraunts completely in the winter and I'll only go out to eat now if the weather is nice and the establishment has an outdoor area I can smoke & drink.

The only good thing about this smoking ban is now I stand infront of a building while finishing my cigerette and blow it into the faces of the asshats who walk by me coughing and acting like a dick cause Im a smoker... I also enjoy walking by a restraunt with an open window and blowing as much smoke as I can into the damn place.

I dont give a fuck what you or the govt thinks, Im still going to smoke my tobacco, inhale my mairjuana, drive without my seatbelt, and operate power tools without saftey goggles.. wana know why? Cause were all gona die.. If Cigerettes kill me then so be it.. I hope it kills you too!

ok im done

[V8SpankR]

I dont give a fuck what you or the govt thinks, Im still going to smoke my tobacco, inhale my mairjuana, drive without my seatbelt, and operate power tools without saftey goggles.. wana know why? Cause were all gona die.. If Cigerettes kill me then so be it.. I hope it kills you too!

ok im done


Darwin's theory at work. ;)

[Loud_Scott]

[QUOTE=V8SpankR;740845]I wouldn't say it's a "right",it's more of a priveledge since that can be taken away if you abuse it i.e. drunk driving,spousal abuse,etc.

[QUOTE]

we're mostly splitting hairs here, and like weston dr. j have pointed out -- it doesn't matter it's in place now -- I just dont think it ever should have gotten that way...

but.... I don't think anyone can legally take away your "priviledge" or "right" to drink no matter how you abuse it... DUI's result in the taking away of the priviledge to drive not drink. Short of incarceration, there's nothing that can be done to keep someone from taking a drink...

[stu]

You can put them on that pill, but there really isn't anything you can do to make them take it.

[LOL_ALIAS]

Are we really comparing second hand smoke to drunk driving and spousal abuse?

[Weston-work]

LMAO....

Weston, you did not just link an online poll to support your point did you? Come on....

If we are going to start doing that then it's not even worth debating the next election because 90% of republicans support Ron Paul.

You can't tell me it doesn't have any value at all. Go find more solid statistics if you're so concerned about it. Personally, I'm not going to waste the effort on a pointless "debate" on the internet that has no potential to accomplish anything at all.

[M@]

Non-smokers > smokers. We win. You lose. Game over. /thread

:)

[Weston-work]

Are we really comparing second hand smoke to drunk driving and spousal abuse?

Smokers eat babies!

[Loud_Scott]

You can't tell me it doesn't have any value at all. Go find more solid statistics if you're so concerned about it. Personally, I'm not going to waste the effort on a pointless "debate" on the internet that has no potential to accomplish anything at all.

yet here you are "wasting your effort...."

[doogie06]

I'm going to stand 15ft away from barz and blow smoke in peoples face.

[V8SpankR]

[QUOTE=V8SpankR;740845]

but.... I don't think anyone can legally take away your "priviledge" or "right" to drink no matter how you abuse it... DUI's result in the taking away of the priviledge to drive not drink. Short of incarceration, there's nothing that can be done to keep someone from taking a drink...


Go talk to people on probation for alcohol related crimes that can be tested on a daily basis for alcohol/drugs. They can still do it but they take a risk and receive bigger penalties if caught. Essentially that's taking away the privelidge.

[V8SpankR]

I'm going to stand 15ft away from barz and blow smoke in peoples face.


And I'll be the first to document it and get a lawyer and sue you and don't think I wouldn't win considering other silly winning lawsuits in this country. ;NutKick;

[doogie06]

And I'll be the first to document it and get a lawyer and sue you and don't think I wouldn't win considering other silly winning lawsuits in this country. ;NutKick;

I'm 15 ft away though.

[Weston-work]

yet here you are "wasting your effort...."

No, I'm wasting time, not effort.

[Loud_Scott]

[QUOTE=Loud_Scott;740896]


Go talk to people on probation for alcohol related crimes that can be tested on a daily basis for alcohol/drugs. They can still do it but they take a risk and receive bigger penalties if caught. Essentially that's taking away the privelidge.

hmm..interesting i didnt know that. i have friends that are on probation/community service/ yadda yadda for dui's but they only have to prove clean piss for drugs not booze... must not be for first offenses or possibly for violoent crimes...

[Dave_L]

I know a girl that had random breathilyzers. She got a few MIP's though.