Why are the librals so angry?

[DrJones]

I was thinking of this today and thought I'd ask here.

Turn on the radio to Air America or talk to anyone from Boulder and you will find that the people typically classified as librals (or progressives or democrats or whatever you want to call them) are "outraged" at what is going on in the US right now. There is really a substantial amount of hate that they have built up and let out through their various outlets (talking with friends, blogs or radio/print media).

So, who are you so mad at and why?

Is it the Christian Church? Is it Bush? Is it republicans in general? Is it the Terrorists?

Who is it?

[David]

Conservatives are the same way - I wish we could just put all the pussy liberal hippies and gun toting church going conservatives in a boat and sink it half way.

I'd have a far less smart ass response but i'm in a hurry to leave

[V8SpankR]

A big part of it is the questionable attack/war on Iraq and how much the Bush admin has pushed us further into debt.

[DrJones]

Conservatives are the same way - I wish we could just put all the pussy liberal hippies and gun toting church going conservatives in a boat and sink it half way.

I'd have a far less smart ass response but i'm in a hurry to leave

The conservatives are hardly as angry as the librals are. That's understandable, since things are currently more or less going thier way right now, but still. Listen to talk radio some. Pretty much every left leaning show talks about how outraged they are at the current administration and what not. The right wing shows and stations talk about all kinds of different topics as well as what is going on.

They should do something about it or a lot of them will have stokes before the midterm elections come up.

[DrJones]

A big part of it is the questionable attack/war on Iraq and how much the Bush admin has pushed us further into debt.

So they are angry at Bush and the people he put in charge and the decisions he is making. Their anger is directed at them?

That doesn't make sense to me... It's such a waste of effort and only hurts their cause and throws them off course.

[David]

The conservatives are hardly as angry as the librals are. That's understandable, since things are currently more or less going thier way right now, but still. Listen to talk radio some. Pretty much every left leaning show talks about how outraged they are at the current administration and what not. The right wing shows and stations talk about all kinds of different topics as well as what is going on.

They should do something about it or a lot of them will have stokes before the midterm elections come up.
When ever I see abortion protests or anti-gay marriage interviews they seem pretty pissed off as me. Granted there aren't as many outspoken conservatives as liberals, but like you said that's probably due to the dominating republican power as of late.

As a rule I try to usually avoid talk radio hosts that are radical politicians (well, as radical as a liberal/conservative can be)

[DrJones]

When ever I see abortion protests or anti-gay marriage interviews they seem pretty pissed off as me. Granted there aren't as many outspoken conservatives as liberals, but like you said that's probably due to the dominating republican power as of late.

As a rule I try to usually avoid talk radio hosts that are radical (well, as radical as a liberal/concervative can be) politicians

Yes, people on the extreme sides of the spectrum are always angry/crazy.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that I noticed that the anger felt has more crept in towards the center part of the spectrum. ie more people who aren't on the extreme left/right are showing their anger for the "Bush crime family" or "current administration".

I'd say in average (from my personal expieriences), your average "progressive" is pretty pissed right now.

[David]

Well - there is a highly questionable war going on right now, and the Bush administration has been very coy about the whole subject of why we are there. We have people dying in Iraq on both sides, and for the people who feel that this is just a war for oil/greed/control/ect it's easy to see why they would get pretty pissed off.

[DrJones]

Well - there is a highly questionable war going on right now, and the Bush administration has been very coy about the whole subject of why we are there. We have people dying in Iraq on both sides, and for the people who feel that this is just a war for oil/greed/control/ect it's easy to see why they would get pretty pissed off.

Yes, but IMO they are pissed at the wrong people.

Honestly, is there anything Bush could do right now that would suprise anyone? Even those who haven't been paying a lot of attention. He isn't doing anything that people don't expect. He's making the decisions as he would make them. Why get angry over that? What does that accomplish?

They talk about how mad they are at Bush and what he is doing, or the administration, or the republicans and their 'underhanded tactics'. That is all wrong.

Why are they mad at Bush? He is just doing what he does. They have no reason to be mad at him. It doesn't make sense. Shouldn't they be mad at the people who see what he's doing and agree with it? After all, that's how our system works.

What would make sense is if they were mad at the American people who put Bush in office. That's why he's there. They should be mad at America, but I've never once heard one direct their anger that way. Why aren't they mad at the people who put Bush in office a 2nd term? Why is it always him, or his policies, or the people in his cabnet, or the evil republicans who are manipulating the system. Why aren't they mad at the people who are allowing themselves to be manipulated? What happened to personal responsibility?

It seems like they go through extra steps to convince themselves not to be mad at America but to be angry at the 'evil people'.

For instance, during the election, they were outraged at what they think was deception via the Swiftboat ads. So what did they do? They complained about sneaky tactics the republicans were using, and got angry at them for playing so dirty and misleading America.

That doesn't make sense to me. They should be mad at the Americans who are being mislead. The Americans who don't know anybetter or aren't willing to put in the effort to look into the issues and decide for themselves.

Why are they mad at the people making the comericals? Shouldn't they be mad at the people who vote based on what they see in what is obviously a negative comercial designed to pursuade them to vote a particular way ignoring the major issues? They should be mad at the people who change make an important decision for the future of the country based on what they see in a comercial.

No one gets mad at the Americans who fall for this shit. The people who vote when they shouldn't be. Why is that?

Bush is doing nothing but being Bush. It's pointless to complain about what he's doing. It won't accomplish anything. They should be mad at the people who voted for him a second time shouldn't they? The people who didn't see all this comming?

They do there best to bring the 'truth' to people and educate them. They use every media outlet they have to do so, and they still lose when it comes to the election and major votes.

Why aren't they mad at Americans? Why do they go through such leaps and bounds to direct the anger towards other parties, completly wasting their effort.

They convince themselves that the only reason they lost an election or people aren't mad at a policy is because they don't have all the information. They think any rational people will agree with them if they saw the same things they did. They are wrong, this is only hurting their cause.

They are treating Americans like inocent children, making up excuses for what they do rather than addressing the issues of why they do it. If they want to win this fight that doesn't seem like the best strategy. If you make bad assumptions and direct your efforts away from where the problems exist you aren't going to get anywhere.

All this anger does is push people in the middle away from their cause. People who are emotional are usually irrational. People don't like negative energy that comes from always complaining about something/someone.

Am I the only one who feels this way?

I've literally talked with people who basically believe that everyone who let everything happen, ie Bush supporters, can't really be blamed because they are all 1/2 retarded and couldn't help it. They were deceived by the evil republicans and big business. They don't have any ability to think for themselves, and the only reason Bush won was because the big buisiness backing them had more money to spend on propaganda than the librals did. If they do conciously support Bush it's only because they don't have the mental capacity to understand the facts, don't know the facts, or make their decisions based on outdated beliefs. They feel sorrow that not everyone is as intelegent and as informed as they are. That lack of understanding is preventing people from seeing the real 'truth' about what is going on and what needs to be done. They were all tricked by someone and had their mind poisoned.

It's almost like they are afraid to look into this side of things. Like for some reason they don't want to acknowledge the fact that either people are educated and just don't agree with them, or most of america is just too stupid for their own good. It's like they think if they ignore that fact and just keep playing the political game they can meet their goals, but if they took the time to look into this stuff they would find something that would completely destroy their efforts.

[Slow96GSR]

It's not all Bush. Bush wanted 346bill for the military over the next 2-3 years, Congress gave him 360bill, and Senate gave him 380bill. So you can see that Bush wants to spend less but it's our reps that are spending more. Not to mention the gas-guzzlers they all drive and charge to the taxpayers. Why leave Iraq before we're done too. They are talking about 50k troops stationed in the region, more if we leave with out a stable government in Iraq. If we pull out we'll just be going back there in a few years too. Might as well stay and do it right the 1st time, well technically the 2nd time.

[newt2]

Bush is doing nothing but being Bush. It's pointless to complain about what he's doing. It won't accomplish anything. They should be mad at the people who voted for him a second time shouldn't they? The people who didn't see all this comming?

What you suggest would be counterproductive. If we go around blaming everyone who voted for Bush, they would just tell us to fuck off.

Obviously we're not going to get all their votes, I mean there is still about 29% of the people in the country who think he's doing an OK job. Having said that, we do need some of them. It does no good to alienate the people who we need to vote our way. One thing that got Bush re-elected is the elitist attitude that a lot of proggresives have. Kerry won every debate, they really weren't even a contest. Despite that, Bushh won the election. Why? IMO, it's because too many liberals make fun of the stereotypical religious country Republican. They look down their noses at them, call them stupid and then wonder why they won't vote with us. Makes you wonder who the stupid ones are sometimes....

Besides, in the end who calls the shots? The GOP does right now. If we're going to get mad at someone we should get mad at the decision makers, not the people who voted for them and who now are about equally divided on the wisdom of that vote.

What you're suggesting would end up causing another defeat for the Democrats. As it sits now, they're looking good for November. I think they've managed to convince enough people that it's time for change in the government to at least get one of the two houses of Congress back. I think that almost all leftist and a large majority of moderate Republicans agree on that. I know there's people who would argue it, but I think that to a large percentage of voters, having both parties share power is the best option. One party rule, from the left or right is usually a bad thing.

[Zach]

i also dont get why people are angry with bush, he has done good job of keeping this country going, and although he may have done some things that were questionable to us, they were neccesary in order to protect the US economically, and keep us a world power.

then again, most people would probably be to short sighted, ignorant, and selfish to understand that.

[blank_]

OH THE LAST LINE IRONY

Whining about Bush is shortsighted though. ;NutKick;

[newt2]

i also dont get why people are angry with bush, he has done good job of keeping this country going, and although he may have done some things that were questionable to us, they were neccesary in order to protect the US economically, and keep us a world power.

Unfortunately they seem to be doing the exact opposite.

then again, most people would probably be to short sighted, ignorant, and selfish to understand that.

Or maybe they just have a different point of view....

And they say liberals are angry....