Anyone with CCW Permit?

[SlamMan]

I took a class and got my prints done a couple days ago. I'll be sending off for my Florida permit pretty soon here. Anyone else here currently carry? I'm looking forward to shooting my first illegal. jk.

[Kwando]

just curious why you went with a florida.... and what do you plan on carrying?

mods please move this to firearms

[lswhitecivic]

I need to get mine, just haven't had time recently. Hopefully sometime in the next couple months. I need to get a smaller handgun too, my full-size .45 is a little big for a concealed weapon.

[HONDA GHANDI]

Moved to firearms.

[SlamMan]

Oops. Didn't realize we had a dedicated firearms section. Thanks for the move Tobi.

I took the class at www.GunSmokeGuns.com in Lakewood and they suggested Florida for a couple reasons. It was explained to the class that you will be put on a persons of interest list after receiving your CO permit. Also info about your permit is attached to your license or registration and a cop sees that every time you or some one in your car pulls you over. I'm not interested in either of these situations.

AFAIK Florida's permit is also the most widely accepted ccw permit with acceptance in over 30 other states.

www.Packing.org is a great place for ccw info but it seems to be down now. wtf.

If I'm stating something inaccurate or leaving something out someone please feel free to correct me. I don't have my notes from the class in front of me now.

I'll be carrying my Kimber Stainless Pro Carry initially.
http://www.kimberamerica.com/images/pistols/compact/large_stainlessprocarry2.jpg

Might have to move up to something spensive like an www.EdBrown.com

[HONDA GHANDI]

Florida also sells your information to anyone who is willing to pay $150 for a list of registered CCW holders. Thats the only reason I didnt get a FL one. I have enough fucking junkmail coming to my house as it is. I have CO and UT.

[HONDA GHANDI]

Nice gun BTW.

[Kwando]

i have a UT one, and will be taking a class for my CO... UT's CCW permit is the cheapest to obtain, wait time is the shortest, and they do not have any database...

i carry a glock 23 90% of the time... the only time i am not carrying is at work and at prohibited places...

also make sure you practice with your carry weapon...

go with the largest caliber you can handle... i have small hands that is why i went with the smaller glock framed guns...

[SlamMan]

How did you go about getting the UT Tobi? How Much?

You have your CCW Kwando?

How often and what do you guys carry?

[Dave_L]

Nice Kimber! I plan on getting my CCW at some point.

[HONDA GHANDI]

How did you go about getting the UT Tobi? How Much?

You have your CCW Kwando?

How often and what do you guys carry?


The class I took for Jeffco offered UT also. I just filled out the paperwork, sent in fingerprints and a photo.

I carry every day, and in my sleep.

[SlamMan]

Hrmmm... May have to look into the UT. How much was it and what was the wait?

Why did you guys go for the CO too? That persons of interest list left a bad taste in my mouth.

[Kwando]

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Utah CCW

Covers 28 states or 31 states for Utah residents*
Issued Residents of any state & legal resident aliens
Cost $59.00
Time 60 days max but usually in 3 to 4 weeks
Valid 5 years
Renewals Every 5 years for $10
Requires No subsequent classes for renewals
Live-fire not required
Other Names of permit holders are confidential
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Colorado CCW

Covers 25 states*
Issued CO residents & active duty military in CO
Cost $152.50 max with some counties a bit less
Time Most counties take up to the full 90 days
Valid 5 years
Renewals Every 5 years for $50 (+ $ in some counties)
Requires New handgun class every 10 years
Live-fire not required except by Adams County
Other Many counties put names in CCIC database
===========



i carry a Glock 23 13+1 IWB via a Comp Tac CTAC.. one extra mag... fox labs OC... spyderco with wave mod (open one handed)... and usually one flashlight...

the class i am taking is not strictly a ccw class, it has live fire drills... with practice of reloading, clearing jams, etc... i am taking the class for the experience... it also qualifies as a ccw class, so i might as well apply for the CO one.

[SlamMan]

Where are you taking the class? I'm looking for something like this too.

And damn, the UT permit is about half of the FL. Where did you get that info?

[TXKompressor]

I have CCW short class. Ex-Military.. It was actually really easy, Just ask for one...

[Kwando]

www.profire.us
www.safearms.com <- i got my UT ccw from them

i am going through a guy named pete from petes tactical for the CO class... he has his contact info on coloradoshooting.org

[mirror]

I'm taking that class with kwando. I'm going to go for my CO permit, and while I'm at it get my UT

[sts2poc1]

i thought about getting my ccw. but like spiderman say, it be best if i didn't.

how much are them classes kwando? sounds intresting.

[Kwando]

here is info on the ccw class.

http://www.petestacticalknives.com/training.htm


when you actually carry a gun legally, your views change on road rage, people talking shit, etc... you tend to let things slide or walk away from the situation. its not worth the jail time, lawyer fees, headaches, etc for something stupid...

[sts2poc1]

those are similar to the stuff i shot. running around with your gun and 5 mags. shooting poppers, papers, and metal plates while timed. the only thing that i sucked at was moving targets at 10 yards.

usually with the boulder rifle club guys your first match is free. but its only like $10-16 a match.

[Jackrabbit]

I was born with my CCW. I like to call it "The 2nd Amendment to the Bill of Rights"
No funny lists either. ;)

[Kwando]

the guy was charging us for the class to pay his membership at the aurora gun club and he got caught... it was against contract rules, not to mention he did not have insurance...

i still want to get my CO permit and found this place, it's a little pricey but they have a lot of hands on reloading, clearing jams, etc...

http://www.tacticalskillsinstitute.com/courses.htm#basichandgun

or i still might take one of the classroom classes just to get the permit... i would like to see involved the tactical skills classes are...

[Mark_H]

the guy was charging us for the class to pay his membership at the aurora gun club and he got caught... it was against contract rules, not to mention he did not have insurance...

i still want to get my CO permit and found this place, it's a little pricey but they have a lot of hands on reloading, clearing jams, etc...

http://www.tacticalskillsinstitute.com/courses.htm#basichandgun

or i still might take one of the classroom classes just to get the permit... i would like to see involved the tactical skills classes are...

Ding ding ding. I just took that class a few weeks ago. I'm going to go ahead and get my CO CCW now. FWIW Jim is a cool guy, will take however long it takes and answer any and all questions you have. We kept asking him all kinds of scenarios you may get stuck in and he gladly answered everything for us. He works Part-time at Jensen's in Loveland too.
I'll be carrying whatever Glock I pickup in the next few weeks:)
Mark
Simon, PM me for some helpful info about the class if you'd like.

[Weston-work]

the guy was charging us for the class to pay his membership at the aurora gun club and he got caught... it was against contract rules, not to mention he did not have insurance...

i still want to get my CO permit and found this place, it's a little pricey but they have a lot of hands on reloading, clearing jams, etc...

http://www.tacticalskillsinstitute.com/courses.htm#basichandgun

or i still might take one of the classroom classes just to get the permit... i would like to see involved the tactical skills classes are...

Interesting. Let me know if you're going to do that...

[stu]

Does anyone have a list of exactly which states accept these permits?

Also, just because you can carry a concealed gun, does that mean it HAS to be concealed? Can you just carry it in a hip holster or what?

[Weston-work]

Does anyone have a list of exactly which states accept these permits?

Most states do. The CBI has a list. I don't have the link, but just google for Colorado CCW or something.

Also, just because you can carry a concealed gun, does that mean it HAS to be concealed? Can you just carry it in a hip holster or what?

Yes and no. Open carry is a grey area... It would seem that it's legal by default in Colorado, but some areas ban it, and I remember reading some law against displaying a deadly weapon in public. You'd also have to be careful to avoid "menacing" people with it. So, while it may appear to be legal in some areas, it's not really practical because people would make a big deal about it and flip out.

[stu]

Well I for sure knew they would flip out, I just figured if you're allowed to have a gun, might as well be allowed to wear it on your hip or whatever.

[Kwando]

i have a UT permit so i am not in that big of a hurry to get my CO, but i would like to have it... PM me some info mark... and lets all go shooting sometime... i still haven't shot my little ruger 10-22.

[Brandon]

Open carry is just a bad idea unless you're by urself in the woods or something.

Check packing.org to find out what states reciprocate with other states.

[Hellified SH]

Damn I wish I could get a CCW permit.

[Kwando]

Damn I wish I could get a CCW permit.


why can't you? my friend has a felony and is in the process of getting his CCW, its just harder to get one...

[sts2poc1]

huh?!? i thought if you had a felony, you couldn't possess any type of firearm? or is just you can't buy one?

[Weston]

huh?!? i thought if you had a felony, you couldn't possess any type of firearm? or is just you can't buy one?

Yeah, a felony or certain misdemeanors means no guns.

[Kwando]

i don't know what he's doing but he's working with the court system (not colorado where he has the felony) to get his CCW... i'll follow up with whether or not hes successiful... i didn't believe it either, but he has paperwork to show it.

[Kwando]

BUMP... going to have to get a CO permit... anyone want to bundle a class to save $$??


tentitave date set for 02/25/07 at http://www.profire.us

[Weston]

Why do you have to get a CO permit, and what class/price-range are you looking at?

[Kwando]

http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/10873271/detail.html

http://www.nraila.org/Legislation/Read.aspx?id=2567


class cost $99. 6 hours long. +$25 if you want to get fingerprinted/photo taken on the spot (i didn' do it last time and i kept putting it off forever).

[Weston]

http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/10873271/detail.html

http://www.nraila.org/Legislation/Read.aspx?id=2567


class cost $99. 6 hours long. +$25 if you want to get fingerprinted/photo taken on the spot (i didn' do it last time and i kept putting it off forever).

Wow, making more laws to solve things that aren't broken. Not surprising. Is the class just classroom, or is there live fire?

[Kwando]

classroom only.

[Mark_H]

BUMP... going to have to get a CO permit... anyone want to bundle a class to save $$??


tentitave date set for 02/25/07 at http://www.profire.us

I took the class last summer, just need to send in the proper paperwork and payments.
Mark
FYI I took the class with Jim Torrez from Jensen's, cool guy, very easy to learn from and get along with.

[ntgtyper]

i have my co permit all you have to do is take your hunter safety class 10 dollars pass that and then go and fill out your app at the sheriffs office have your finger prints taken twice your picture taken and about three weeks later it comes in the mail 152 dollars for the S.O. to do your back round check and federal back round check thats its so a total of 162 for your co ccwp i have beeen carring for two years been pulled over a shit load of times you dont have to say anything to the officer unless he asks then you tell him yes i am carring and i do have a permit and do exactly what he says and everything will be fine and you will be on your way. I personaly carry a g27 :guns:

[Kwando]

i have my co permit all you have to do is take your hunter safety class 10 dollars pass that and then go and fill out your app at the sheriffs office have your finger prints taken twice your picture taken and about three weeks later it comes in the mail 152 dollars for the S.O. to do your back round check and federal back round check thats its so a total of 162 for your co ccwp i have beeen carring for two years been pulled over a shit load of times you dont have to say anything to the officer unless he asks then you tell him yes i am carring and i do have a permit and do exactly what he says and everything will be fine and you will be on your way. I personaly carry a g27 :guns:



what county are you? just hunter safety?

[Weston-work]

It's my understanding that you're supposed to take a class that specifically covers concealment and self defense issues. I never heard of a hunter's safety class being adequate, but that sure would save some money if it's true...

[ntgtyper]

im in elpaso http://shr.elpasoco.com/NR/exeres/35B5E856-6E6A-4844-92C1-A269738637C6,frameless.htm

[Brandon]

yea, that's crazy, I've never heard of that either. *shrug*

I'm interested in taking a class but that doesn't sound what I'm looking for.

[ntgtyper]

i didnt feel the need to take a class i shoot with a lot of police officers run there same drills and have a common sense only pull if your going to use, life or death!

[M@]

i didnt feel the need to take a class i shoot with a lot of police officers run there same drills and have a common sense only pull if your going to use, life or death!

I'm Rick James, bitch!

[SlamMan]

Someone will have to brush me up on the law making process. When will this take effect? Is this a for sure thing? This is complete and utter bull shit. Fuckin Dems.

[EG BTER]

I dont have a perminant CO address so Im interested in a UT.

[blkhatch22]

I have a co ccp and i carry a glock 30

[EG BTER]

Im takin the profire class on sunday :guns:

[young geezer]

i dont know too much about the gun law so help me out wit this. what charges you get if carry a gun in your car without a permit.

[i drive crap]

you get an unlawful possession of a firearm, and if it's concealed, they tack that on too. My buddy just had to do a week in the clink for having a loaded gun under the seat of his truck with no CCW. I think that you get the same loaded or unloaded, but the judge comes down on you more if it's got a mag in the well. Just take the class and pay the cash. It's way easier than going through the crap. Or if you are former military, you can use a DD214 that's less than 3 years old in leiu of the formal class. I also have a CO CCW, and I carry a glock 37 or glock 17, depending on how saucy I feel.

[Mark_H]

you get an unlawful possession of a firearm, and if it's concealed, they tack that on too. My buddy just had to do a week in the clink for having a loaded gun under the seat of his truck with no CCW. I think that you get the same loaded or unloaded, but the judge comes down on you more if it's got a mag in the well. Just take the class and pay the cash. It's way easier than going through the crap. Or if you are former military, you can use a DD214 that's less than 3 years old in leiu of the formal class. I also have a CO CCW, and I carry a glock 37 or glock 17, depending on how saucy I feel.

I've been reading up on all these laws and that doesn't seem right to me. I know some rednecks that have 2-3-4 guns in their trucks at all times and it's perfectly legal. Also, a car is just like your house...you can have a loaded gun in your house and you can have a loaded gun in your car with or without a CCW permit. Atleast thats how I understand the laws. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong.
Mark

[Dave_L]

^that was my understanding of it too. Except for rifles and shotguns. Cant have a round chambered on a rifle or shotty in your car.

[young geezer]

so who is correct. can anyone else put inputs on it.

[Weston-work]

^that was my understanding of it too. Except for rifles and shotguns. Cant have a round chambered on a rifle or shotty in your car.

:werd:

CRS 18-12-105, section 2b, gives you the right to carry in your car without a permit...

18-12-105. Unlawfully carrying a concealed weapon - unlawful possession of weapons.

(1) A person commits a class 2 misdemeanor if such person knowingly and unlawfully:

(a) Carries a knife concealed on or about his or her person; or

(b) Carries a firearm concealed on or about his or her person; or

(c) Without legal authority, carries, brings, or has in such person's possession a firearm or any explosive, incendiary, or other dangerous device on the property of or within any building in which the chambers, galleries, or offices of the general assembly, or either house thereof, are located, or in which a legislative hearing or meeting is being or is to be conducted, or in which the official office of any member, officer, or employee of the general assembly is located.

(d) (Deleted by amendment, L. 93, p. 964, § 1, effective July 1, 1993.)

(2) It shall not be an offense if the defendant was:

(a) A person in his or her own dwelling or place of business or on property owned or under his or her control at the time of the act of carrying; or

(b) A person in a private automobile or other private means of conveyance who carries a weapon for lawful protection of such person's or another's person or property while traveling; or

(c) A person who, at the time of carrying a concealed weapon, held a valid written permit to carry a concealed weapon issued pursuant to section 18-12-105.1, as it existed prior to its repeal, or, if the weapon involved was a handgun, held a valid permit to carry a concealed handgun or a temporary emergency permit issued pursuant to part 2 of this article; except that it shall be an offense under this section if the person was carrying a concealed handgun in violation of the provisions of section 18-12-214; or

(d) A peace officer, as described in section 16-2.5-101, C.R.S., when carrying a weapon in conformance with the policy of the employing agency as provided in section 16-2.5-101 (2), C.R.S.; or

(e) (Deleted by amendment, L. 2003, p. 1624, § 46, effective August 6, 2003.)

(f) A United States probation officer or a United States pretrial services officer while on duty and serving in the state of Colorado under the authority of rules and regulations promulgated by the judicial conference of the United States.


CRS 18-12-105.6 further clarifies that cities and counties cannot limit this right...

18-12-105.6. Limitation on local ordinances regarding firearms in private vehicles.
Statute text
(1) The general assembly hereby finds that:

(a) A person carrying a weapon in a private automobile or other private means of conveyance for hunting or for lawful protection of such person's or another's person or property, as permitted in sections 18-12-105 (2) (b) and 18-12-105.5 (3) (c), may tend to travel within a county, city and county, or municipal jurisdiction or in or through different county, city and county, and municipal jurisdictions, en route to the person's destination;

(b) Inconsistent laws exist in local jurisdictions with regard to the circumstances under which weapons may be carried in automobiles and other private means of conveyance;

(c) This inconsistency creates a confusing patchwork of laws that unfairly subjects a person who lawfully travels with a weapon to criminal penalties because he or she travels within a jurisdiction or into or through another jurisdiction;

(d) This inconsistency places citizens in the position of not knowing when they may be violating local laws while traveling within a jurisdiction or in, through, or between different jurisdictions, and therefore being unable to avoid committing a crime.

(2) (a) Based on the findings specified in subsection (1) of this section, the general assembly concludes that the carrying of weapons in private automobiles or other private means of conveyance for hunting or for lawful protection of a person's or another's person or property while traveling into, through, or within, a municipal, county, or city and county jurisdiction, regardless of the number of times the person stops in a jurisdiction, is a matter of statewide concern and is not an offense.

(b) Notwithstanding any other provision of law, no municipality, county, or city and county shall have the authority to enact or enforce any ordinance or resolution that would restrict a person's ability to travel with a weapon in a private automobile or other private means of conveyance for hunting or for lawful protection of a person's or another's person or property while traveling into, through, or within, a municipal, county, or city and county jurisdiction, regardless of the number of times the person stops in a jurisdiction.

[SlamMan]

You might want to clarify with your buddy on what happened and what he got busted for.

From Rocky Mountain Guns Owners web site. www.RMGO.org.

Lots more info in their FAQ - http://www.rmgo.org/faq/


Carrying in a Vehicle
Can I carry concealed in a vehicle or rv without a permit? YES
18-12-105. Unlawfully carrying a concealed weapon - unlawful possession of weapons.
(2) It shall not be an offense if the defendant was:
(b) A person in a private automobile or other private means of conveyance who carries a weapon for lawful protection of such person's or another's person or property while traveling
ALSO:
18-12-204. Permit contents - validity - carrying requirements.
(3) (a) A person who may lawfully possess a handgun may carry a handgun under the following circumstances without obtaining a permit and the handgun shall not be considered concealed:
(I) The handgun is in the possession of a person who is in a private automobile or in some other private means of conveyance and who carries the handgun for a legal use, including self-defense

Can I carry openly in my car? YES (Colorado law does not prohibit open carry, however some municipalities do)

Can I have a loaded pistol in my vehicle or rv ? YES
33-6-125. Possession of a loaded firearm in a motor vehicle.
It is unlawful to possess any firearm, other than a pistol or revolver, in or on any motor vehicle unless the chamber of such firearm is unloaded. For the purposes of this section, a "muzzle-loader" shall be considered unloaded if it is not primed, and, for such purpose, "primed" means having a percussion cap on the nipple or flint in the striker and powder in the flash pan.

Can I have a loaded rifle or shotgun in my vehicle or rv? YES (as long as there is not a round “chambered”)
33-6-125. Possession of a loaded firearm in a motor vehicle.
It is unlawful to possess any firearm, other than a pistol or revolver, in or on any motor vehicle unless the chamber of such firearm is unloaded. For the purposes of this section, a "muzzle-loader" shall be considered unloaded if it is not primed, and, for such purpose, "primed" means having a percussion cap on the nipple or flint in the striker and powder in the flash pan.

Can I carry while on a motorcycle? CONDITIONAL YES
18-12-105. Unlawfully carrying a concealed weapon - unlawful possession of weapons.
(2) It shall not be an offense if the defendant was:
(b) A person in a private automobile or other private means of conveyance who carries a weapon for lawful protection of such person's or another's person or property while traveling
(just remember that if you stop at a prohibited carry location i.e. school or court, you will have to leave the weapon in your vehicle. With motorcycles, this is not an option.)

Can I carry in my vehicle in Denver? YES
18-12-105.6. Limitation on local ordinances regarding firearms in private vehicles.
(2) (b) …no municipality, county, or city and county shall have the authority to enact or enforce any ordinance that would restrict a person's ability to travel with a weapon in a private automobile or other private means of conveyance while traveling into, through, or within, a municipal, county, or city and county jurisdiction, regardless of the number of times the person stops in a jurisdiction.

[i drive crap]

I just clarified it with him, he had the pistol partially hidden (under the seat) which is not considered "open carry", apparantly under the seat is considered concealed, and he had it loaded, and since it was a revolver (.44 mag), the round is considered chambered with any bullet in the firing or next to be fired postition.

so he got the unlawful possesion for the round being "chambered" in the car, and the concealed weapon charge for it not being carried "open". Apparantly on the seat next to you is fine, but not in the glove box or under the seat. (All heresay. I haven't looked into this as far as you guys, obviously. Just going on what he's telling me)