2003 MACH1 Times

[69stang]

Ford brought out a few MACH1s for showing off purposes in Atlanta. 90 degree heat and the Mustang ran a 12.97@104mph using Drag Radials. Low 13s with the street tires.

That's a low 13 here right?
Not too shaby for off the showroom floor.:)

[SC-MECHAM-WS6]

how much $$$?

[Dallas J]

Are those the ones that are SCed?

[V8SpankR]

Are you sure that wasn't the new 390hp Cobra? I thought the Mach1 was going to have just about 300 horse and be sold like the Bullitt in limited quanities?

[93BlackHatchSI]

Sounds cool how much $$$$$$?

[73Camaro]

Sounds impressive. Maybe I will get to race one once my car gets running. Well, once I fix it and get it running anyway.

[grndcont]

ford finaly wakes up, ( as long as it's 30k or under.)

[69stang]

Price is supposed to be around 28.5K

It is not the Cobra either, that beast should really impress the masses.


Finally a Mustang that can hang with a LS1, (among others)


The MACH1 Motor has different Cams and gears, that is why it is better than the 2001 Cobra times. I'm not sure if they are using the same new heads as the new Cobra will have. The new design has greatly improved flow and power:cool:

[V8SpankR]

Do you have a link to that test or more info?

[69stang]

Yup,

Go to www.stangnet.com

It is the first article on the page.

[V8SpankR]

I do like it better than a Bullitt and it's a half second quicker on street tires at 13.41 and the 12s were on drag radials,I initially thought it ran 12s off the showroom floor. The part that threw me was I saw early tests of the forthcoming Cobra and it hit high 12s on street tires but the Mach1 is still impressive and should be over $10k cheaper.
Finally Ford has made a car that can directly compete with the LS1 in performance and price. :Beer:

[Dustin]

It will be in the 14's here.

[69stang]

But the Bullit was a GT motor with a new intake, this is a cobra motor with new cams, so if you threw a supercharger on the MACH1 then you could easily have a car in the low 12s here.

I'm guessing a decent driver will have it in the high 13's here

[SC-MECHAM-WS6]

Originally posted by V8SpankR Finally Ford has made a car that can directly compete with the LS1 in performance and price. :Beer:

what LS1? They arent making F-Bodies anymore... :(

[V8SpankR]

Originally posted by SC-MECHAM-WS6


what LS1? They arent making F-Bodies anymore... :(

Ok,Ford is a bunch of "johnny come latelys" but they will still have the "old" LS1s to play with at least untill '05.

[Dallas J]

Torque is all good and fun, but id rather have high reving boost anyday....TORQUE STEER 4-EVER!!! Untill i get AWD that is....

I wonder if Dodge will ever get into the $20-$30k muscle car.

[69stang]

Take a look at the dynos of a bossted Cobra, they can rev to 7grand, not bad if ya ask me. Pretty good fo most V8s.

[Dallas J]

Originally posted by 69stang
Take a look at the dynos of a bossted Cobra, they can rev to 7grand, not bad if ya ask me. Pretty good fo most V8s.

Damn, thats pretty sweet. My 4g63 doesnt even pull much after 6500 rpms. But then again I could never afford one of those.

Im one of the few guys probably, but im just tired of hearing V-8s. I love the sound of a screaming turbo, a BOV, and nice exhaust on a 4-banger.

BTW i grew up with the big cars, and graduated up to technology over brute force:Beer:

[HONDA GHANDI]

found a sweet pic of the new Cobra at its debut.

[69stang]

Nice pic,

What about Brute Force and Technology?

Thats what the Cobra is all about, 4V per cyl, dual overhead cams, coil on plug ignition, and a nice roots blower to top it off

[12seccivy]

that setup sounds like it'll knock yer socks off..
i'm not much of a ford fan,but i wouldn't mind getting a ride in one of those mach 1's
nice burnout pic!!:cool:

[Dallas J]

Originally posted by 69stang
Nice pic,

What about Brute Force and Technology?

Thats what the Cobra is all about, 4V per cyl, dual overhead cams, coil on plug ignition, and a nice roots blower to top it off

Im in no way saying that its not a bad ass car or engine. I wouldnt ever put any car down that is respectable. Im just saying that id rather have a rice burner....It doesnt come down to gas cause i know i dont get shit for gas milage in the laser. I just find it way more impressive to see a 13sec 4 banger at the drag strip that was driven in than a 12 sec V-8 that was driven in. I dont really like any of those trailered in V-8s, but watching the trailered in imports spank a V-8 is always fun.

[SC-MECHAM-WS6]

yes....but does it have VTEC? :D

[Dallas J]

Originally posted by SC-MECHAM-WS6
yes....but does it have VTEC? :D

VTEC is ok, but have you checked out the new variable valve lift from BMW? That system is Fockin sweet....Pretty much no TB...everything is controlled by the lift in the valves...Its pretty simple too, at least it doesnt look to bad in the pictures.

[HONDA GHANDI]

you aint shit without VTEC and NAWWWZZ! :rofl:

[newt2]

VTEC is ok, but have you checked out the new variable valve lift from BMW? That system is Fockin sweet....Pretty much no TB...everything is controlled by the lift in the valves...Its pretty simple too, at least it doesnt look to bad in the pictures.

Are talking about the VANOS system? It doesn't have variable valve lift, only timing. As far as I know, the only two systems in this country with variable valve lift are VTEC and Toyota's (Yamaha actually) VVTL-i.

If I'm wrong, point me to a link or something, I like VVL systems.

[DnVr]

yamaha's lift is bad ass just not reliable.
they should have left that technology alone!

[951porsche]

Porsche and Nissan

[951porsche]

Oops, and BMW....

BMW has gone one step further with current valve-train technology. As Honda's VTEC engines have variable camshaft timing and lift, BMW has developed a similar system called Valvetronic. The difference between the two is that VTEC can only alter lift from one setting to the other, by swapping cam lobes. BMW's new technology features variable valve lift.

This is achieved by an eccentric lever raising and lowering the rocker arms of each valve, thus increasing or decreasing available lift. The lever is adjusted by a worm driven electric motor. Adjustments are made in 0.3 seconds.

This means a conventional throttle, usually a butterfly valve, is not used. Throttle actions are controlled by the engine management system. For example, the engine idling would translate to a very small intake valve lift setting, whereas when power is needed lift would increase. Apart from smoother air flow through the inlet system ( as there is no butterfly to disrupt everything ), throttle response is said to have greatly improved.

The technology is currently used in the new BMW 3-series. The engine is a 1.8 litre producing 85 kW and 180 Nm of torque. The figures are said to be 20% better than previous models with a 15% improvement in fuel economy

[newt2]

Thanks, sounds like a pretty cool system. I wonder what it's capable of when fully tweaked out, probably pretty impressive numbers.

[Dallas J]

Originally posted by 951porsche
Oops, and BMW....

BMW has gone one step further with current valve-train technology. As Honda's VTEC engines have variable camshaft timing and lift, BMW has developed a similar system called Valvetronic. The difference between the two is that VTEC can only alter lift from one setting to the other, by swapping cam lobes. BMW's new technology features variable valve lift.

This is achieved by an eccentric lever raising and lowering the rocker arms of each valve, thus increasing or decreasing available lift. The lever is adjusted by a worm driven electric motor. Adjustments are made in 0.3 seconds.

This means a conventional throttle, usually a butterfly valve, is not used. Throttle actions are controlled by the engine management system. For example, the engine idling would translate to a very small intake valve lift setting, whereas when power is needed lift would increase. Apart from smoother air flow through the inlet system ( as there is no butterfly to disrupt everything ), throttle response is said to have greatly improved.

The technology is currently used in the new BMW 3-series. The engine is a 1.8 litre producing 85 kW and 180 Nm of torque. The figures are said to be 20% better than previous models with a 15% improvement in fuel economy


Thanks for the help....i couldnt remember the specifics. I think the article said it made VTEC look like a crude set up...

[HONDA GHANDI]

That is just a streetified version of Formula one valves.
Neumatic controlled servos. very good for high revs and on the fly changes in lift, duration, and timing. very cool stuff.

[Dallas J]

Well damn! This thread just proves all my theories wrong....

Not all german cars and fords suck;)

J/K before i get shot:Beer:

[HONDA GHANDI]

HAHAHAHA!

[73Camaro]

My brother-in-law's dad is getting one soon. He already ordered it. To be honest I am looking foward to riding in it even though it's a Ford. :)

[69stang]

That's the spirit!!!!