Turbo Suggestions?

[iinvazionii]

I have a 95 stock LS Integra and I plan on boosting it soon. I was wondering what everyone's suggestions for LS Turbo would be. Thanks in advance.

[redb20teg]

suggestions as in what turbo to use?

[cybergreencivic]

depends on what you are looking for, as to what kind of power you want, or what brands you prefer. so many options. if you just want a kit, id do a drag kit. decent power for the money.

[M@]

60-1! :)

[iinvazionii]

i want to do a custom turbo kit. a kit thatd equal more power... faster response rate and an average long run? maybe i dont know... im still noobin this turbo stuff

[Terry]

t3/t4 .57 trim

[doctorstupid]

t3/t4 .57 trim
Heh, I've got one on my desk. For no good reason that struck me as funny.



Anyway, I'm not gonna jump on the bandwagon and tell you to get the turbo I have, instead ask what kind of power do you want? If you're only running 6 or so PSI, a T3/T4 is an absurd notion when a much smaller unit would give the same power and better response.

[john]

What do you want out of the car, power-wise? You can probably run 6-8 psi on the stock internals, but after that I'd consider an upgrade.

Talk to Honda Ghandi... :)

[M@]

You can run 17psi on the LS with stock internals, big injectors, big fuel pump, a good tune (Hondata), and ARP head studs. Might wanna go with a thicker Cometic head gasket too.

[john]

I sure wouldn't... :)

[M@]

I sure wouldn't... :)
But where's the fun in not pushing it to the max, buddy? :D

With mine, I'll also be running alky and have a knock sensor gauge.. but I also have an ignition box, so.. I have a few things that well help to reduce detonation which is deffinatley a good thing. Not to mention my motor will have new bearings/rings. :)

[john]

Touche. I push my motors hard, but not so hard that they break (ok - the supra motor broke (http://jsalmi.com/kaboom) playing with nitrous, but that doesn't count). The last DSM was probably 400-425 crank HP at 25psi worth of 20g. The supra was 730 crank hp at 25-26psi worth of t66.

But, those motors were engineered to be boosted, so doubling the power output isn't really "a big deal".

But hey - I'm anal about that kinda stuff. :)

[M@]

Hahahaha.. you said.. anal.

</9th grader voice>

My goal is 400+ WHP out of this setup, stock inny's. It's possible, ask Pang. :D

[john]

BOOYA! I hope it holds together NICELY for you.

[M@]

BOOYA! I hope it holds together NICELY for you.
I hope so too, if not... time to start on a BUILT block. :D

[iinvazionii]

im trying to get the most power out of it maybe aroun 10psi? and still keep it safe...

[oldskoolracer]

i don't think the pistons will hold the high boost for long, that's the only thing
on the ls's i've noticed, the ringlands crack,,DONE.

but pang ran his for a while ours @ 8psi was fune as hell but really not fast enough for either of us,lol.

i want to see how far i can go on forged pistons and that's it evrything else
stock,,,,,,,,25+psi what the hell it'll be fun

[iinvazionii]

how much will it cost to run like 8psi with a good tune?

[iinvazionii]

cost for the entire turbo setup i mean...

[M@]

If you built the kit yourself, with tuning on an AFC, you can expect to spend around $2k+ depending on how good of stuff you get.

[iinvazionii]

cool. thanks. what are some quality products?

[M@]

Garrett makes good turbos, so does Turbonetics. Spearco, Precisions are good intercoolers, you could run some DSM 450cc injectors, you could run a Pang manifold (lookup the username of "Pang" and PM him for pricing), Tial makes good wastegates and BOV's, just to list a few parts.

[kevino002]

You can run 17psi on the LS with stock internals, big injectors, big fuel pump, a good tune (Hondata), and ARP head studs. Might wanna go with a thicker Cometic head gasket too.

If you do anything, do not do this!!!! them pistons will not last a week. Your best bet would be to do a Drag kit or something like that. Just make sure to have someone good tune it Tobi, Pang, Jeremy, and use a good FM like hondata, Neptune, Chrome Pro, ect.

[M@]

If you do anything, do not do this!!!! them pistons will not last a week. Your best bet would be to do a Drag kit or something like that. Just make sure to have someone good tune it Tobi, Pang, Jeremy, and use a good FM like hondata, Neptune, Chrome Pro, ect.
That's a little contradicting considering you said have someone good tune it, yet Pang ran 17 psi daily on a stock LS. :rolleyes:

[kevino002]

That's a little contradicting considering you said have someone good tune it, yet Pang ran 17 psi daily on a stock LS. :rolleyes:

Yeah I am sure it can be done, and I am not saying that it cant be done, but you are leaving no room for error here. He should just get a good sized turbo that will match up well with his motor, budget, and tune it for good reliability. 17psi is taking to an extreme and I would hope that Pang would agree with me, or not... LOL..

[M@]

I'm sure he will. I think he's even ran 20 on it, but 17 is about the highest you can go w/out worrying about blowing it up, IMO.

[ChewiSi]

Any psi up to 22 is do-able. but the thing is how long will it last. Pang said he hit 22 psi on the dyno one time. and he also got 15K out of it which is pretty damn good. how I see it, the higher the boost, the less it will last, on a stock motor at least.

[Skaterkid]

I'm sure he will. I think he's even ran 20 on it, but 17 is about the highest you can go w/out worrying about blowing it up, IMO.
Yeah but why not spend the extra dough on a Hondata and make more power because you can actually control timing? It's tunability more than justifies its price.

[M@]

Word. Also depends on current mileage of the motor, and whether or not it's gotten new rings/bearings/etc. My motor will pretty much be fresh, so it should last quite a while.. longer than I'll need it anyways.

[M@]

Yeah but why not spend the extra dough on a Hondata and make more power because you can actually control timing? It's tunability more than justifies its price.
Who said anything about NOT doing Hondata? I was saying 17 with Hondata. No way would I run that much boost on a piggyback.

[kevino002]

That's a little contradicting considering you said have someone good tune it, yet Pang ran 17 psi daily on a stock LS. :rolleyes:

All this good info coming from someone that Blew up there motor because of lack of tunning!!! :)

I would just think that 8-9 psi will be fun while you wait for pistons rods ect. but you have to save fast, cuz boost is addictive and you will want to turn that shit up.

[M@]

All this good info coming from someone that Blew up there motor because of lack of tunning!!! :)
Says YOU... someone who has no clue what he's talking about.

My motor blew up cuz 2 wires came loose on my VAFC and caused my injectors to turn off. :rolleyes:

[Pang]

everyones trying to be like me;) jk

But yeah my old completely stock ls motor held aproximately 15k miles (most of it delivering chinese food! :D LOL) of boost then terry bought it and it still ran good for him :). With boost cut set at 22psi, on cold days i'd slam that all the time ;) I got a 12.2 @ 119 2.0 60ft for a stock Honda engine, loved it :)

[kevino002]

Says YOU... someone who has no clue what he's talking about.

My motor blew up cuz 2 wires came loose on my VAFC and caused my injectors to turn off. :rolleyes:

I will not qoute on the whole VAFC thing!!

when it comes to your car I dont, but when it comes to turbo'd hondas I do. I just think that you are giving bad info to someone that wants to boost there car with some reliabliy.

[Skaterkid]

Who said anything about NOT doing Hondata? I was saying 17 with Hondata. No way would I run that much boost on a piggyback.
I wouldn't even bother with an AFC, ever

[M@]

I wouldn't even bother with an AFC, ever
Werd.. I learned the hard way on that one.

I'm not giving him bad info. Like I said, 17 psi I wouldn't even CONSIDER w/out Hondata. 7-9ish would be fine with an AFC though, if he wants to go the cheap route.

Pang - the white hatch ran 12.2, or the silver EK did?

[kevino002]

everyones trying to be like me;) jk

But yeah my old completely stock ls motor held aproximately 15k miles (most of it delivering chinese food! :D LOL) of boost then terry bought it and it still ran good for him :). With boost cut set at 22psi, on cold days i'd slam that all the time ;) I got a 12.2 @ 119 2.0 60ft for a stock Honda engine, loved it :)
LOL...

Yeah but would you recommend that to a customer?

[servion]

The thing that you guys need to remember is that boost pressure is not what is potentially dangerous, its the power that's associated with it. 17psi on a tiny t3 is definitely not equal to 17psi on a gt42. As long as you can keep the intake air temps under control, it would be smarter to set a power threshold instead of a boost pressure one.

P.S. Kevin, empty your PM box so I can write you back :)

[kevino002]

P.S. Kevin, empty your PM box so I can write you back :)

It should be good now.

[Prelude97]

The thing that you guys need to remember is that boost pressure is not what is potentially dangerous, its the power that's associated with it. 17psi on a tiny t3 is definitely not equal to 17psi on a gt42. As long as you can keep the intake air temps under control, it would be smarter to set a power threshold instead of a boost pressure one.

P.S. Kevin, empty your PM box so I can write you back :)
Fucking :werd: I'm getting pretty sick of seeing all these post saying you can run XX psi with hondata, neptune, AEM, etc when no one bothers asking on the size of the turbo.

[M@]

Well when you're talking about boosting a Honda, someone's ideally talking about a T3, T3/T4, etc. Not some fucking Godzilla turbo. I think that people in general know that they won't be bolting up a T88 or something, so I don't see what you two are making such a huge deal out of.

[servion]

I'm not making a big deal, I'm just trying to shed a little light on the situation. There is also a big difference between a t3 60 trim and a t3/t4e 60 trim at 17psi too.

[iinvazionii]

so is a t3/t4 turbo good for reliable, long lasting 8psi's?

[M@]

A t3/t4 won't spool as fast as a T3 but it'll have more top end. Any turbo will last a long time if you take care of it. Change your oil regularly, allow for cool down times, make sure the oil pressure going into it meets the turbo's requirements (I was pushing too much through mine which is what I think cause my seals to go bad).

[iinvazionii]

what turbo is kind of in the middle? spool kind of quickly and have good top end?

[M@]

T3/T4 would be good for more top end, but IMO a T3 is a great turbo for 8-9 psi. I loved it on my Si.. that's how I always got the win.. my turbo would spool quicker than theirs. ;)

[iinvazionii]

how long would it last though?

[M@]

As in mileage? You can have a turbo last for longer than you'll own the car if you take care of it, man. Like I said, you allow proper cool-down time, change your oil frequently, use an oil restrictor (http://www.atpturbo.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=tp&Product_Code=ATP-OIL-022&Category_Code=BCS), it'll last a long time. I treated my T3 like total SHIT and it lasted 30K+ miles, with 60K already on it.

[iinvazionii]

i meant uhh the turbo during a race... liek the top end

[M@]

Oh.. rofl. Hard to say. My T3 started losing it's power right around redline (7200rpm), and spooled at about 3k or so if I remember correctly.

[iinvazionii]

oh i see... when does a t3/t4 spool?

[M@]

oh i see... when does a t3/t4 spool?
To be honest I'm not sure.. never ran one on my car. ChewiSi could tell ya' though. I'll link him to this thread when I talk to him next.

[iinvazionii]

alright... hey thanks for all the help man... i really do appreciate it... my names keith... so yeahh

[M@]

No problemo.

[iinvazionii]

is there anyone that did a daily drive stock ls turbo? if anyone did could i hear about its powers and everything?

im trying to compile a list of all the good products for turbos so i can get a good kit by summer... taking any recommondations(sp?) or suggestions

[ChewiSi]

Mine spools fucking late as shit on my 00 Si. about 5.3K in first and about 5K in second. I am running a T3/T04E 57 trim. pulls hard as shit though.

[iinvazionii]

oh i see... thats not too bad... how many psi's are you running?

[boostedEG]

a t3/t4 has a t3 turbine housing, so a t3/t4 with a .63 A/R should spool very similar to a t3 with a .63 A/R, compressor size will effect it a bit but i wouldn't think it'd make a huge difference. matts tiny turbo had a .48 A/R exhaust side, chewi's is most likely a .63 A/R, that is why there is a difference in spool time. also an LS should spool a given turbo a tiny bit quicker than a b16 with the same turbo.

matt shouldnt your B16 have had an 8200 redline?

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[iinvazionii]

so a bigger A/R side equals a faster spool?


lastly i might have something your interested in iinvasionii...
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sry but im still saving up for a new kit... thanks anyways

[M@]

a t3/t4 has a t3 turbine housing, so a t3/t4 with a .63 A/R should spool very similar to a t3 with a .63 A/R, compressor size will effect it a bit but i wouldn't think it'd make a huge difference. matts tiny turbo had a .48 A/R exhaust side, chewi's is most likely a .63 A/R, that is why there is a difference in spool time. also an LS should spool a given turbo a tiny bit quicker than a b16 with the same turbo.

matt shouldnt your B16 have had an 8200 redline?

lastly i might have something your interested in iinvasionii...
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Typo.. good catch. ;)

[ChewiSi]

chewi's is most likely a .63 A/R, that is why there is a difference in spool time.

Ding Ding Ding Ding, good going. You sir are correct.

[stu]

so a bigger A/R side equals a faster spool?





No, a slower spool. I had a T3/T04E on my LS running 15 psi and it first started to make boost just after 3,000 rpm, but didn't make any real power till around 4,500 rpm.

[iinvazionii]

oic whatd you do to run 15?

[M@]

oic whatd you do to run 15?
A stock LS has a much lower compression ratio than a B16/B18C and can handle the boost with a good tune and the right turbo.

[boosted_b16]

stock Ls motor+.63/.60 60 trim t3 @ about 10 psi+dsm 450 cc injectors+resistor box from older crx/civic+a decent tune with uberdata/neptune= a very streetable car with quick spool up and power in the upper 200's to the wheels, it'll be fun and maybe last for a year or so without blowing up...

[M@]

^ :werd: Could last longer. All depends on how nice you are too it, and how well you maintain it.

[boostedEG]

stock Ls motor+.63/.60 60 trim t3 @ about 10 psi+dsm 450 cc injectors+resistor box from older crx/civic+a decent tune with uberdata/neptune= a very streetable car with quick spool up and power in the upper 200's to the wheels, it'll be fun and maybe last for a year or so without blowing up...

on 10 PSI with a good tune it should last many years. 60-1teg ran 24 lbs on a stock LS and it was only tuned for 20. it lasted for awhile, but eventually started smoking.

[iinvazionii]

so what are all the components needed to run a 10psi setup?

[M@]

255lph Walbro fuel pump, 450cc DSM injectors, Apexi VAFC, front mount IC, and a good tune should be good for ya'.

[bo0stedk2o]

go for the t3

[iinvazionii]

^^ yeah thats what im planning... and thanks everyone else for all the input

[bo0stedk2o]

doesn't LS motors have high compression tho

[M@]

doesn't LS motors have high compression tho
Actually, no. It's the exact opposite. LS compression ratio - 9.2:1, GSR compression ratio - 10.0:1, Si Compression Ratio - 10.2:1

That's why they're such boost friendly motors with stock internals. ;)