who do you trust to build oyur cage?

[oldskoolracer]

figured i'd ask who you guys think does good work at a reasonable price

for roll cages, they said my wife can't come back until we cage the del sol

since it's a convertable. and i keep forgetting we can't race this year until it's in



let me know thanks

[taikahn]

figured i'd ask who you guys think does good work at a reasonable price

for roll cages, they said my wife can't come back until we cage the del sol

since it's a convertable. and i keep forgetting we can't race this year until it's in



let me know thanks


Hands down best place in town.... www.saridea.com (call and ask for Okan or Shakes, tell 'em Tai from CorSport sent you)

~2k for insane work, they simply have pride in their craftsmanship and take their time.

Tai

Also, I see you have a servion link in your sig, ask him about Saridea, I believe his hatch goes in when mine comes out.

[Nate]

2000k damn, thats a big price tag :)

[taikahn]

2000k damn, thats a big price tag :)

Doh, typo fixed. :rolleyes:

Tai

[M@]

Still kinda pricey! Gotta' pay to play though.

[Weston-work]

$2k really isn't much for a quality custom welded-in cage. It's still more than I'd pay, but it's certainly not the highest price quote you'll hear. Call up 3R and ask them how much they want to do it... :rofl:

My suggestion is to read the rule book carefully and make sure you fully understand the required roll cage specifications, then buy appropriate piping and either weld it in yourself or find a friend who knows how to weld properly.

[taikahn]

Still kinda pricey! Gotta' pay to play though.

8 pt, custom bases, double nascar door bars, full cromoly, scca, nasa and nhra compliant. I was quoted twice that elsewhere.

Bolt ins are 700.

Tai

[M@]

Cool cool.. when I'm ready for one, I'll just have my buddy build me one since he's a "professional welder" for an industrial company and used to build race car cages. Can't complain about a cage for cost of material + a 12 pack of Corona.. :D

[servion]

taikahn: so you've got the grey hatch that's getting the autocross cage? Right on :) I'm hoping to bring mine in there early next week. I did a lot of shopping around (including a couple places in AZ and TX) and I'm going to give saridea a try. They're work is top notch on the other car's I've seen; I'm very excited to see what they end up with on my car. Parachute on a street car = teh hotness yO

[taikahn]

taikahn: so you've got the grey hatch that's getting the autocross cage? Right on :) I'm hoping to bring mine in there early next week. I did a lot of shopping around (including a couple places in AZ and TX) and I'm going to give saridea a try. They're work is top notch on the other car's I've seen; I'm very excited to see what they end up with on my car. Parachute on a street car = teh hotness yO

Yeah, thats me, I went in last week, they are really coming along. Its not for Autocross though, time trials/club mostly. AutoX in that car will be an afterthought.

Check out the pics at http://homepage.mac.com/tai/PhotoAlbum38.html

Let me know (send me a pm) when yours goes in there, id love to go check it out.

Tai

[M@]

That looks like quality work. Do they remove/reinstall your interior (what CAN be installed anyways)?

[taikahn]

That looks like quality work. Do they remove/reinstall your interior (what CAN be installed anyways)?

Well, the way my cage is being done nothing could really be put back in, nor were we planning too, it will be getting a fully custom sheet metal dash by them eventually.

They could work around interiors for sure, the rx7 and supra in there now are like that (have full interiors).

[M@]

That's pretty neat. Keep us posted on the progress! :)

[oldskoolracer]

ok this went nuts, hey serv. what are the rules for a conv. i think it said
i needed a four point but there's not that much else left out i kinda wanted
a price on both the 4pt. and the 8 or 10pt. cage

nobody makes a bolt in for the del sols

[taikahn]

ok this went nuts, hey serv. what are the rules for a conv. i think it said
i needed a four point but there's not that much else left out i kinda wanted
a price on both the 4pt. and the 8 or 10pt. cage

nobody makes a bolt in for the del sols

A del sol cage shouldnt be as much as that hatchback cage. Hit them up, give them a call see what they say.

[oldskoolracer]

you also have to remember they have to cut threw the back wall and deal with the rolling down back window shit.

[Martian]

Albins Performance in Arvada does cages, tubs, rear ends, and Paint.
303-423-1009
Ask for Cecil for the metal work and Harvey for Paint.

[servion]

Yeah, thats me, I went in last week, they are really coming along. Its not for Autocross though, time trials/club mostly. AutoX in that car will be an afterthought.

Check out the pics at http://homepage.mac.com/tai/PhotoAlbum38.html

Let me know (send me a pm) when yours goes in there, id love to go check it out.

Tai

I'll let you know. Are you happy with the baseplates? They look a little strange.... perhaps its just the camera.

Eric: Just get the 8-point (9.99 to 8.50 sec legal) cage... do it while you're in there so you don't have to worry later.

[oldskoolracer]

it's just going threw the back is the biggest issue

[servion]

Well, even if you just get a 4-5 point you'll still need to do that. You can save the parachute mount for later though :)

[oldskoolracer]

Well, even if you just get a 4-5 point you'll still need to do that. You can save the parachute mount for later though :)



but that's the cool part to have on,


BTW i think we might have the block together by the middle of next month
so we'll be back to vtec,lol. i can't wait but i still want to upgrade the turbo

not enought coming out of the keychain.

[oldskoolracer]

oh yeah i know a guy that works as an official at bandi he could probably tell you if your gonna be good with those plates on yours, or are you just going all new?

[servion]

but that's the cool part to have on,


BTW i think we might have the block together by the middle of next month
so we'll be back to vtec,lol. i can't wait but i still want to upgrade the turbo

not enought coming out of the keychain.

Hey, your current turbo will make more power on the vtec motor :) It'll keep you happy for a while ;) Parachutes are teh hotness though

[M@]

Hey, your current turbo will make more power on the vtec motor :) It'll keep you happy for a while ;) Parachutes are teh hotness though
I know it's not ricer for you, but I really hope this doesn't turn into the new ricer fad. :D :D

[oldskoolracer]

I know it's not ricer for you, but I really hope this doesn't turn into the new ricer fad. :D :D


I HOPE NOT ALSO,LOL



well with the new piping we are building when we drop the new one in i'm hoping we will atleast be able to get 10psi out of the little fucker

8psi just isn't enough,,,,, don't you agree,,,,,,

[servion]

I HOPE NOT ALSO,LOL



well with the new piping we are building when we drop the new one in i'm hoping we will atleast be able to get 10psi out of the little fucker

8psi just isn't enough,,,,, don't you agree,,,,,,

Well, just get a usable boost controller and make sure it works and we'll make that little biatch sing :)

[oldskoolracer]

i think the boost controller was good it was the fact that the wastegate
was screwed in all the way

[taikahn]

I'll let you know. Are you happy with the baseplates? They look a little strange.... perhaps its just the camera.

Eric: Just get the 8-point (9.99 to 8.50 sec legal) cage... do it while you're in there so you don't have to worry later.

They will be smoothed, and coated with interior seam seal and primer before its done. ;)

[doctorstupid]

FOr NHRA and IHRA legal cages, S&W Racecars is by far the cheapest I've found, in mild or 4130 chromoly. Not SCCA or NASA compliant, though. Mild 8 point bars for most cars are around $149, chromoly is closer to $400; both of course plus install.

They don't seem to have bars or cages for a Del Sol in their catalog, though.
http://www.swracecars.com/pdf/CATpg20.PDF
Swing-outs (removable side bars) are available, don't know cost since I never cared/asked :)

I'm building my cage, more than likely with a good amount of help and advice from a buddy, Erron, who built his SCCA legal cage.

[servion]

Hey Tai, I took another look at your cage yesterday, its looking really nice :) I dropped my car off yesterday so they can get started. I'll post pics as they go. It will be very similar to yours except the doorbars will not be bent (I need to keep the stock interior i.e. doorpanels), my plates will be bigger and I'll have a parachute :)

Oh and the stock dash is going back in as well. I'm really lookinug forward to seeing how they handle that one.

[taikahn]

Hey Tai, I took another look at your cage yesterday, its looking really nice :) I dropped my car off yesterday so they can get started. I'll post pics as they go. It will be very similar to yours except the doorbars will not be bent (I need to keep the stock interior i.e. doorpanels), my plates will be bigger and I'll have a parachute :)

Oh and the stock dash is going back in as well. I'm really lookinug forward to seeing how they handle that one.

Nice, ill stop by and look at your over the next month.

Can't wait to get mine back, I saw it early this week and was looking incredible.

Hey, quick question for you... Do i have to have windows for drag at bandimere?

Tai

*1000th post. woot.

[oldskoolracer]

yes you do have to have windows,,,, they all have to be rolled up etc.

[sbiggi]

I just bought my cage through safedrives.com they have them for just about everything, they have cages that are legal for nhra, scca, nasa, fia.

Mine is a S&W 8 point with swingouts, the swingouts were $30 each I think.

-Seth

[taikahn]

yes you do have to have windows,,,, they all have to be rolled up etc.

shit. FAL here we come. (but they have to be removed for Time Trials) -- lol argh...

Tai

[servion]

With a cage, you also have to have a window net. NHRA rules this year have made it extremely expensive for me to run :(

[taikahn]

With a cage, you also have to have a window net. NHRA rules this year have made it extremely expensive for me to run :(

SO, I have to have: a cage, a window net and glass to run nhra?

damn.

[servion]

SO, I have to have: a cage, a window net and glass to run nhra?

damn.

You don't have to have "glass", you can have lexan or something along those lines. As long as you don't want to run a specific class though... i.e., if you want to bracket race, or if you want to show up to a test-n-tune then lexan will be fine.

Any car with a cage requires a window net and SFI padding anywhere where your helpet could hit the cage. How fast would you anticipate being able to run?

[taikahn]

You don't have to have "glass", you can have lexan or something along those lines. As long as you don't want to run a specific class though... i.e., if you want to bracket race, or if you want to show up to a test-n-tune then lexan will be fine.

Any car with a cage requires a window net and SFI padding anywhere where your helpet could hit the cage. How fast would you anticipate being able to run?

Yeah, I was thinking FAL not glass... I just was saying, I have to remove it for the road racing I will eventually do with that car.

Anyway, since there are almost no road tracks around anymore and the scca trials program is basically dead out here until we get a new track I will do some drag with it this season. Probably just bracket at the import events and random test-n-tunes, and thats if we can finish the car this season. I don't aticipate it running the 1/4 very fast, prolly 14s before we turbo it (which will take a season or two for us to get done).

Out of curiosity, whats a gutted eg with a bolt on n/a b18 run up here?

Tai
CorSport

[servion]

Well, I used to run 15.2's in my fat-ass si hatch with a GSR swap in it. My buddy Steve used to run 14.3's or so (at PMI) with his CX EG hatch with a GSR motor and bolt-ons.

Are you interested in getting your cage NHRA certified? If so, I'm going to pay the CO NHRA guy to come down to saridea and cert my cage once its done, we could split the costs if youre interested in getting it done :)

Edit: actually, now that I think about it you don't really even need a cage unless you're going 135mph+ or 9.99 and faster, so unless you plan to do that within 3 years you probably don't even need to cert it

[[stfu]Pete]

Let me know what the cost is and i will split it with you servion since my car is there as well.

[oldskoolracer]

is there anyone who will maybe write an estimate on how much it will cost for the del sol?????

[taikahn]

is there anyone who will maybe write an estimate on how much it will cost for the del sol?????


Okan or Shakes at Saridea.com

[taikahn]

Well, I used to run 15.2's in my fat-ass si hatch with a GSR swap in it. My buddy Steve used to run 14.3's or so (at PMI) with his CX EG hatch with a GSR motor and bolt-ons.

Are you interested in getting your cage NHRA certified? If so, I'm going to pay the CO NHRA guy to come down to saridea and cert my cage once its done, we could split the costs if youre interested in getting it done :)

Edit: actually, now that I think about it you don't really even need a cage unless you're going 135mph+ or 9.99 and faster, so unless you plan to do that within 3 years you probably don't even need to cert it

Yeah, I doubt I will certify it for Drag. It wont be that fast (probably ever)... its going to be a SCCA 'club' road race car once the series has a new home out here.

Tai

[sbiggi]

Well, I used to run 15.2's in my fat-ass si hatch with a GSR swap in it. My buddy Steve used to run 14.3's or so (at PMI) with his CX EG hatch with a GSR motor and bolt-ons.

Are you interested in getting your cage NHRA certified? If so, I'm going to pay the CO NHRA guy to come down to saridea and cert my cage once its done, we could split the costs if youre interested in getting it done :)

Edit: actually, now that I think about it you don't really even need a cage unless you're going 135mph+ or 9.99 and faster, so unless you plan to do that within 3 years you probably don't even need to cert it

Jerremy, I have my car and my brothers that will need to have the roll bars certified. We wont have ours done for probably 2 weeks... but maybe less.
Maybe we could get in on that?

-Seth

[servion]

Pete: I'll PM you

2fastNturn: If you guys are interested that would be great. However, if you just have a rollbar (5 or 6 point) you don't need to get it certified; you only need to certify a chassis when you're getting the 8-10 point full cage to run faster than 135mph or quicker than 9.99s.

[sbiggi]

O, I didnt know tech wasn't necessary . Cool thanks for the info!

[Erron S.]

Cages, oh what fun they are...

Caution to guys that are looking for cheap cages. ERW, (electo-rolled-welded) is banned by the scca and a number of others are soon to follow suit. Look for a seam inside the tube, if there is one, it's ERW. You want DOM (drawn over mandrel, has no seam) mild steel or 4130 CRMO. Do the math, $4.33 a foot is the bulk rate for DOM mild steel in a straight 20 foot stick. Also the mounting points are critical. THE FLOORBOARD IS NOT A SUITABLE PLACE TO MOUNT A HOOP!! If you can dent it with a hammer, will it hold a car's weight? (did I really just ask such an obvious question??)

http://www.w3si.org/images/jwieman/Wreck05(rollbarThruFloor).JPG

http://www.w3si.org/images/jwieman/Wreck02.JPG

If you are getting one, from whomever it is, ask how many they have had certified, with which sanctioning body, on what date, and get proof. Rules change ever year...


Erron S.

[servion]

O, I didnt know tech wasn't necessary . Cool thanks for the info!

You defeinitely need to tech every time you race (at the tech inspection booth at the track), but you don't need to get the chassis certification sticker unless you're >135 and/or in the 9's.

http://www.w3si.org/images/jwieman/Wreck05(rollbarThruFloor).JPG
Ouch... I'm pretty sure my old cage would have done that

[oldskoolracer]

what did they do on the new cage??? put bigger plates down??

ambers in the car so i don't want to worry about it

[servion]

Its all about the location of where the cage meets the car. If you look at a stock honda's floor, its very very thin and it would not hold the weight of the car on one point like that. The new cage is welded to the shock towers in the rear and more fortified places in the front of the car. Actually, it will be bolted to the front of the car.

[Erron S.]

Good question. There are a few "best places" to locate a main hoop. One of which is up on the rear seat level. If you get under the car, really any car, this is where the rear trailing arm or A arms are usually mounted to the unibody or frame rail. This is one of the strongest points of the car, it after all, holds the weight of the car already via the suspension. The front down tubes that connect the halo usually have to be boxed in and welded to unibody box rails down both sides of the car. This bar should also be in front of, towards the inside of the car, and welded directly to the crossmember under the dash.

If I could attach pics, I could show ya, but for some reason it's not letting me...


Erron S.

[servion]

For anyone interested, the cage is getting closer to being completed down at Saridea:

This is for NHRA, it will certify to 8.50's (hopefully next weekend). Its not done yet, but you can tell the quality; I'll let the pictures speak for themselves.

http://serviontuning.com/miscellaneous/rollcage/Cage07.jpg
http://serviontuning.com/miscellaneous/rollcage/Cage09.jpg
http://serviontuning.com/miscellaneous/rollcage/Cage11.jpg
http://serviontuning.com/miscellaneous/rollcage/goofballs02.jpg
http://serviontuning.com/miscellaneous/rollcage/oldtonewplates.jpg

Pretty good welds if you ask me ;)
http://serviontuning.com/miscellaneous/rollcage/seatbracket03.jpg

Anyway, the rest of the bars and the parachute are all going in next. I'll keep the pics updated, but I'm very pleased with the work. Its a little different from a "traditional" nhra cage, which is great because that definitely needed some rethinking for a FWD chassis like this. Additionally, all the interior is going back in (everything but the back seats) so they've left room for it, as requested.

As a result of this, I'm expecting:
1) a much safer trip down the 1/4
2) a stiffer chassis that will result in better 60's.
3) Not to mention I won't be afraid of getting caught for running too fast anymore :)

Combined with some more suspension work, proper corner weighting and more power, it should make this year interesting :)

[M@]

Couple of questions.

1: How much did that run you?
2: Why are there just bolts holding it in.. is it just for alignment?
3: Are you going to paint it? If so.. how will you go about doing that?

[taikahn]

Always checking it out when I am down there, its looking great!

Tai

[servion]

Matt:
1) I don't want to say publically, but I can tell you that I did a TON of hunting, searching and research before choosing these guys, and I learned a couple things. First, with chassis fab, you DEFINITELY get what you pay for, period. Second, the price I am paying is significantly cheaper than some of the quotes I got. For what I'm getting, its definitely a good price. The price will of course change from car to car depending on what you want, but you can trust that they will give you a good and fair deal.

2) Most people weld the plates in in the front there, but if you check out a civic in that place, its not fortified at all. If you weld the plate in there, it is my understanding that it will actually weaken the chassis at that point. A pari of plates with bolts going all the way through is actually a much more rigid and safe way to do it in a car like this.

3) Paiting is part of tha cage work :) I don't know the datils on how, but I've seen some other cages they've done and they've all turned out beautifully.

[HONDA GHANDI]

Do they require you to use the stock seat mounts in SFWD? Just wondering why you didnt run floor bars. Also the rule for the 6x6 mount plates doesnt mean you have to have a solid 6x6, the total area of the plate needs to equal 36 sq inches so you can cut the plate up and traingulate it to mount it to the floor and side rails. For mine I am making a three sided box to fit into the pocket where the floor, side and rear/front frame rails meet. It is the strongest part of the car right there.

[servion]

They don't require it, but I wanted to retain stock sliders for a couple reasons. Mainly, I still wanted to be able to adjust the seat placement (i.e., slide it back and forth). Also, it is simply easier to do, since 4 of the 5 required mounting points are already taken care of. Its saving me some time and money.

[taikahn]

Do they require you to use the stock seat mounts in SFWD? Just wondering why you didnt run floor bars. Also the rule for the 6x6 mount plates doesnt mean you have to have a solid 6x6, the total area of the plate needs to equal 36 sq inches so you can cut the plate up and traingulate it to mount it to the floor and side rails. For mine I am making a three sided box to fit into the pocket where the floor, side and rear/front frame rails meet. It is the strongest part of the car right there.

Good idea. In what car?

Tai

[taikahn]

They don't require it, but I wanted to retain stock sliders for a couple reasons. Mainly, I still wanted to be able to adjust the seat placement (i.e., slide it back and forth). Also, it is simply easier to do, since 4 of the 5 required mounting points are already taken care of. Its saving me some time and money.

Yup, I did the same.

[HONDA GHANDI]

I understand, just wondering if it was required. I kept them on my car, it was nice to be able to adjust. The new setup will require floor bars so I will have to mount the seats permenantly.

[servion]

I understand, just wondering if it was required. I kept them on my car, it was nice to be able to adjust. The new setup will require floor bars so I will have to mount the seats permenantly.

Yeah, unfortunately I'm on a budget too like everyone else ;)

I think that pocket mounting idea of yours sounds really good. What are you building the car to run that is requires floor bars?

[HONDA GHANDI]

Its a secret.

[taikahn]

^figured that. ;)

Tai

[oldskoolracer]

those are awsome servion, i can't wait for you to kill what you did last year,

i just gotta make sure your wife doesn't beat the shit out of me again when you do,lol.

when i went down there to price it out they had quite a few nice cars they were working on. like that supra in the pic the cage in that thing is awsome
i just wish i had the money to pay for it.

they do amazing work