This Cobra > anything you or me will ever own

[ryanman]

This car gave me a boner. I bet it eats gas like a fat guy at a $2.99 buffet.

http://www.exoticcarsite.com/pages/tuners/weineck-cobrao780-cui-limited-edition-2005.htm


Displacement: 12900 cc (780cid)
Horsepower: 1100 bhp @ 7000 rpm
Torque: 1300 lb ft @ 5600 rpm
Redline: 8000 rpm

[InRox01]

Fucking A. SO good to not read of a supercharger or turbo... haha

[myshtern]

Is 1100hp impressive on a 780ci engine?

Edit - It says 0-300kmh in 10 seconds.
So that means 0-186mph in under 10 seconds...
Is that possible? Those tires are 12 inches wide, how can it put all the torque down.

And if it can put all that torque down, should it have a wheelie bar?

[ryanman]

If I didn't have kids to haul around I'd sell all my cars and buy one of those.

[-=[Juztin]=-]

not bad for n/a

[doctorstupid]

I've been in love with Cobras and huge engines since I was knee-high.

[rmcdaniels]

So where can I find a $2.99 buffet?

[ryanman]

I knew someone was gonna ask that. :rofl:

[DC2]

Drooollll

[exciv2000]

very nice

[Terry]

wow

[David]

For the same amount of money you could make like 10 Civics twice as fast.

[ryanman]

For the same amount of money you could make like 10 Civics twice as fast.
Uhh, no, try again. For the same amount of money you couldn't make 1 civic twice as fast, or even as fast as that car.

[David]

Uhh, no, try again. For the same amount of money you couldn't make 1 civic twice as fast, or even as fast as that car.
You've obviously never heard of something called power to weight ratio.

[doctorstupid]

You've obviously never heard of something called power to weight ratio.
With a weight-to-power ratio of 0.9Kg/hp, 12.9 litres of engine capacity, 1,100hp and 1,760Nm of torque
That's 1.98Lb./HP, meaning that car weighs about 2,178 pounds. Hey, what's your car weigh?

And more to the point, there's a hell of a lot more to going fast than peak power numbers. Even power:weight ratios are kind of silly, as mechanical advantage (read, gear ratio) plays a critical part in that; you make the same power in 5th gear you do in first, but golly gosh, you can't accelerate as quickly, now can you? Point is, peak power numbers and power:weight ratios are the arguments of fanboys with no real comprehension of performance.

That, and that car will get you laid with terrifying frequency.

[TheJackal]

Thats a pretty good looking car but good luck getting that to the ground, let alone racing a wb that short, drag or road course.

[rmcdaniels]

Thats a pretty good looking car but good luck getting that to the ground, let alone racing a wb that short, drag or road course.


Yeah, it's too bad the Cobra's wheelbase kept it from being competitive in racing, otherwise it might have been dominant in domestic racing, dominated the international GT-class racing scene, won the United States Road Racing Championship in 1963 and 1964, the 1964 Sports Car Club of America American Road Race of Champions, took first in class in the 1964 Le Mans 24 hours, the 1966 SCCA ARRC B-production title, the 1968 ARRC B-production title, won the FIA GT World Championship in 1965, dominated its classes in NHRA drag racing for several years during the '60's, won the SCCA ARRC A-production championship in 1965, 1966, 1967, 1968 and 1973, and set 23 national and international speed records on the Bonneville Salt Flats in 1965.

[jkbrand]

... took first in class in the 1964 Le Mans 24 hours,.

In fact, I believe Ford took 1-2-3 places in class at LeMans (it was in '66, tho').....I recall
a writeup back then that described international colors being popular
to differentiate the nationalities of the cars, although no one was required to,
nor prohibited from, using ANY color. Ford chose red. The quote went on to
describe the choice: "Oh, that was to piss off Enzo Ferrari."

It did! And so did the sweep.

Jeff

[jkbrand]

=-']not bad for n/a

It's not n/a.....where'd you get that idea?

Jeff

[Zach]

It's not n/a.....where'd you get that idea?

Jeff

ummmm, yeah it is man. naturally aspirated breathing through two carburetors counts as N/A

[David]

That's 1.98Lb./HP, meaning that car weighs about 2,178 pounds. Hey, what's your car weigh?

And more to the point, there's a hell of a lot more to going fast than peak power numbers. Even power:weight ratios are kind of silly, as mechanical advantage (read, gear ratio) plays a critical part in that; you make the same power in 5th gear you do in first, but golly gosh, you can't accelerate as quickly, now can you? Point is, peak power numbers and power:weight ratios are the arguments of fanboys with no real comprehension of performance.

That, and that car will get you laid with terrifying frequency.
I doubt that car would get you laid, if you told a women all that she would just go 'wtf mate?' and walk off and bang some walmart flourist. But a Honda, oh man, chicks KNOW that those are seriouse race cars, thus you will get laid ever minute of ever day.

On a side note, I was just mocking what happened to our Corvette thread (RIP)

[rmcdaniels]

In fact, I believe Ford took 1-2-3 places in class at LeMans.....I recall
a writeup back then that described international colors being popular
to differentiate the nationalities of the cars, although no one was required to,
nor prohibited from, using ANY color. Ford chose red. The quote went on to
describe the choice: "Oh, that was to piss off Enzo Ferrari."

It did! And so did the sweep.

Jeff

Yeah, the Cobra guys say it's the reason Ferrari stopped making GT cars in '65, they couldn't take getting spanked by Cobras.

[jkbrand]

ummmm, yeah it is man. naturally aspirated breathing through two carburetors counts as N/A

You may be right, but not for the reason you offer. The use of carbs does not mean nitrous isn't being--or can't be--used, and if it is, the combination is not considered n/a.

One of my screen savers is an earlier blue (w/gold stripes) Weineck Cobra. It's apparently NOT the limited edition. Pictures of the car with the trunk opened, clearly show a NOS bottle. (See their site http://www.weineck-power.de/ and don't "skip intro.")

These Weineck folks, and their fascination with producing humungous-hp'd Cobras, go back to 2000, so they've been around a while, and there are several versions available. One only has to see the variation in valve covers (I've seen at least three different versions) to verify this.

Looks like they offer a S/C, too, but it's hard to tell in their intro if it's on any of their cobras.

As for the NOS, I suppose the owner could have installed it as an aftermarket bolt-on, but somehow I doubt it.

Jeff

[doctorstupid]

IF it is running nitrous, or Naaaaawwwzz as the kids call it these days, I sure as hell can't see any lines to the intake, be in direct port, distribution plates, or otherwise.

[ryanman]

There is no nitrous on this particular car. It is n/a. Period.

[TheJackal]

Yeah, it's too bad the Cobra's wheelbase kept it from being competitive in racing, otherwise it might have been dominant in domestic racing, dominated the international GT-class racing scene, won the United States Road Racing Championship in 1963 and 1964, the 1964 Sports Car Club of America American Road Race of Champions, took first in class in the 1964 Le Mans 24 hours, the 1966 SCCA ARRC B-production title, the 1968 ARRC B-production title, won the FIA GT World Championship in 1965, dominated its classes in NHRA drag racing for several years during the '60's, won the SCCA ARRC A-production championship in 1965, 1966, 1967, 1968 and 1973, and set 23 national and international speed records on the Bonneville Salt Flats in 1965.


Really?!? Did those ahve 708ci hugeblocks in them too to throw the weight balance off like a goat with 17 baby cows in it?

EDIT: 780ci of heavy ass unneeded weight.

[ryanman]

Really?!? Did those ahve 708ci hugeblocks in them too to throw the weight balance off like a goat with 17 baby cows in it?

EDIT: 780ci of heavy ass unneeded weight.
No, they had 427's in them.

[TheJackal]

No, they had 427's in them.

Exactly, so sombody hint (no you ryanman) ^^ totally misinterpreted my statement and decided to be a sarcastic about something totally different

[ryanman]

+1

[doctorstupid]

Really?!? Did those ahve 708ci hugeblocks in them too to throw the weight balance off like a goat with 17 baby cows in it?

EDIT: 780ci of heavy ass unneeded weight.
427 is an iron block, considering the original 427 and this 780 Cobras weigh the same, I'd be willing to bet it's an aluminum block.

[TheJackal]

I garuntee theres more weight differences then just bare a block. Either way that car is meant for the owner to have a bigger penis, and has no future in any racing.

[ryanman]

It comes with a bigger penis?

[ryanman]

Oh wait, this just in.......

http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/5371/fastercarpenis1kg.jpg

[TheJackal]

It comes with a bigger penis?

Metaphor.. Dynoqueen, ect...

[rmcdaniels]

Really?!? Did those ahve 708ci hugeblocks in them too to throw the weight balance off like a goat with 17 baby cows in it?

EDIT: 780ci of heavy ass unneeded weight.

Let's see, first you said it was the wheelbase that made unsuitable for the track. And since it's got the same wheelbase as one of the greatest track cars of all time you now say it's the weight. It weighs about 300 pounds more than the original 427 Cobra SC, not much difference there either. Wanna try again?

[stu]

It's just Austin's internet personality.

[doctorstupid]

I garuntee theres more weight differences then just bare a block. Either way that car is meant for the owner to have a bigger penis, and has no future in any racing.
1967 Shelby Cobra 427 weight: 2149.5 pounds
780CI Cobra, based on power:weight: 2178 pounds

Have you ever compared an aluminum block to an iron one? HUGE weight difference. Hell, in a Fiero, going from the stock iron block V6 to an aluminum small block, you actually make the car lighter.

[TheJackal]

Let's see, first you said it was the wheelbase that made unsuitable for the track. And since it's got the same wheelbase as one of the greatest track cars of all time you now say it's the weight. It weighs about 300 pounds more than the original 427 Cobra SC, not much difference there either. Wanna try again?

Wheel base for drag, dumb shit. Why are top fuel cars so long?

Point being, nobody here for the life of them, is going to run faster times in that thing then they would in say a corvette or something like that, You would need to be an expert driver to be able to compete in this thing. Ever seen these cars at bandimere?

[TheJackal]

1967 Shelby Cobra 427 weight: 2149.5 pounds
780CI Cobra, based on power:weight: 2178 pounds

Have you ever compared an aluminum block to an iron one? HUGE weight difference. Hell, in a Fiero, going from the stock iron block V6 to an aluminum small block, you actually make the car lighter.

I find that, very hard to believe. I would be curious to see the weight balance specs between the real ones that competed and this "kit car"

[rmcdaniels]

Wheel base for drag, dumb shit. Why are top fuel cars so long?

Point being, nobody here for the life of them, is going to run faster times in that thing then they would in say a corvette or something like that, You would need to be an expert driver to be able to compete in this thing. Ever seen these cars at bandimere?

Yes, I'll grant that it won't be competitive at the drag strip with a top fuel dragster. Congratulations on figuring that out. It will probably kick the shit out of anything that anyone on this board is likely to show up at the track with though. It doesn't need drag strip justification though, seeing as Cobras were running 10's and dominating their class at drag strips over 40 years ago, and that's in a stock class with a much less powerful motor. As far as seeing them at the track, I've seen several Cobra replicars (mostly Factory five kits) at the track, quite a few of them with fairly monstrous motors (some very nice blown Ford motors), and they are definitely competitive with Corvettes, depending on the suspension/brakes/driver/etc, that is in either car.

That said, bench racing the car is kind of pointless, but anyone with any experience knows that a well sorted out Cobra replicar is a fine track beast. Just because this one is done to a ridiculous extreme doesn't mean that it will suck at the track. I'd be willing to bet that in the hands of a competent driver it would be fine, you'd just have to be really vigilant about using the gas pedal.

[jkbrand]

IF it is running nitrous, or Naaaaawwwzz as the kids call it these days, I sure as hell can't see any lines to the intake, be in direct port, distribution plates, or otherwise.

I can't either, which is why I conceded to DTLandLTD he might well be correct, but for the wrong reason. Other pictures of other Weineck Cobras clearly show they're running nitrous; solenoids and all are evident vis-a-vis http://www.weineck-power.de/image.jsp?gallery=presse&image=3 I believe is the same car in my Weineck-Cobra screen saver of the past couple years, so I assumed the Limited Edition was similarly equipped.

Advertising campaigns from Weineck claim HP ratings from "500 to 1200." It's not unreasonable to assume their engines with displacements smaller than the 780 Limited Edition are using non-n/a induction if they're achieving over 1000HP.

My initial inquiry asking the basis of why the poster believed the Limited Edition was n/a, was rooted in Weineck's historical use of NOS. It's somewhat puzzling that there's never any mention in their literature of the nitrous option, but clear evidence indicates the option is there.

Also, lest we get caught up in comparing apples to oranges, there's a huge difference between the 427 Cobra (car from Shelby) and the Mark IIs that swept LeMans. In fact, about the only similarity in their heritage is the engine. They're totally different animals. There's more similarity between the Weineck renditions and the original Cobra than between either of them and ANY Mark I or II (which are 289 and 427 models of the GT40).

The Weineck Cobras might handle similarly to the original Cobra, but don't confuse them by comparing their road-handling characteristics to the mid-engined GT40's.

Jeff

[rmcdaniels]

Also, lest we get caught up in comparing apples to oranges, there's a huge difference between the 427 Cobra (car from Shelby) and the Mark IIs that swept LeMans. In fact, about the only similarity in their heritage is the engine. They're totally different animals. There's more similarity between the Weineck renditions and the original Cobra than between either of them and ANY Mark I or II (which are 289 and 427 models of the GT40).

The Weineck Cobras might handle similarly to the original Cobra, but don't confuse them by comparing their road-handling characteristics to the mid-engined GT40's.

Jeff

I think that you're thinking of the '66 LeMans. I was referring to the Daytona Cobra Coupe (Cobra with a more aerodynamic body on the same front-engine chassis as the rest of the Cobras) that won two consecutive GT class victories in the 24 Hours of Le Mans in '64 and '65, plus the '65 World Championship, winning 8 out of 11 races. rule changes for '66 made it uncompetitive, so Ford/Lola built the GT40.

[jkbrand]

I think that you're thinking of the '66 LeMans.


You're right, I was referring to '66 LeMans (note that I had edited my post indicating it was THAT year that Ford swept the top three slots.) As I recall, there were mechanical problems that kept them from finishing in '65.

Daytona Coupes, as you indicate, ARE built on the Cobra chassis, ergo, front-engined cars. In fact, there's a restored Daytona Coupe in Gunbarrel
at the Shelby Museum, totally restored by Bill Murrey of Longmont, and often is taken to vintage-car races. I believe there were only 6 of 'em made.

In any event, I think you and I are on the same page: we'd gladly take a top-heavy behemoth Weineck, a mid-engined coupe, a new Ford GT, or a reincarnation of ANY for a test ride....hey, all the factory has to do is ask.....

Jeff

[ryanman]

:werd:

[doctorstupid]

Daytona Coupe FTW.

Austin, if I follow, your new revised argument is that car is worthless because you would need a good driver to do well in it? And that differs from any form of racing... how?

[jkbrand]

427 is an iron block, considering the original 427 and this 780 Cobras weigh the same, I'd be willing to bet it's an aluminum block.

Directly from the General Manager at Weineck:

"The engine block of the 780cui Limited Edition is made from special iron but on special request it is also available in Aluminium."