I just got OWN3D :)

[Newsance]

Yep, on of your own just took me down pretty good.

Rico_00SI. :)


I guess we both work with eachother. On the way home, we end up hitting a light, and he starts inching up the line.

Not having any clue what I am dealing with, I kinda blow him off. I figure I'll give him a visually appealing smokeshow while pulling ahead.

Light goes green, I stomp it and go sideways. He doesn't spin, instead just goes rocketing off into the night. I spin through first, into second, and halfway through second it catches, and I am 3 cars behind and being dropped. Ouch. Hmmm. He isn't stock.

2nd try, it was a little better, as I didn't spin AS bad, but damn, these tires suck. I held about a car back I'd say, after I hooked at the top of first.

3rd race. Tires go up in smoke off the line this time it's about three cars by the time we let off.

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Ricer excuse section: My back tires right now are super generic used 245 50-16's. So generic, they don't have a brand name on them. I have no idea what tires they are, just that if I try, I can light them up from the top of second, the rubber is so hard. They are out back right now because I bought them on a set of tires that ws going tp have my DR's mounted on, but some issues happened, and I had to mount the DR's on my stock wheels, and roll with this shitty tires for a week, instead of the 255 kumho 712's that are on the front and normally the back.

I'm also still tuned for 4500 feet, because up until recently I resided in Ft Collins. The car is rich as hell right now, to the point of fouling plugs.

Normal shit I need to do before the track opens like a tuneup wouldn't hurt either.

Boy there is nothing like an asskicking on the street to get your ass in gear about getting your car set up right, eh?

This weekend, I'm getting around to plugging in my datalogger and changing my calibration back to something befitting the rare air, as well as a tuneup, and hopefully getting real tires remounted. After that it shoudl be closer, but damn, that is a pretty damned strong car Rico. :)

Good races! I hope to see you at the track when I have my setup geared a bit more towards racing.

[rico_00si]

hehehe...........:PIMP:

we raced from a roll once too, not enough to give a good outcome, but enough to see immediate response from the cars.

at least you're tuned for 4500, my car is tuned for houston, tx, pretty sure it's really close to sea level down there. if you think you're running rich, try my altitude difference

[newt2]

Looks like that swap worked rico!

[SC-MECHAM-WS6]

Originally posted by Newsance
I guess we both work with eachother.

isnt this a small world...

[Brian]

Nice race guys!! Can I go next :)

[rico_00si]

Originally posted by newt2
Looks like that swap worked rico!


you're talking about the ecu swap right??

[rico_00si]

Originally posted by 99SIVTEC
Nice race guys!! Can I go next :)


sure.........when do you want to go next???:fu:

[2000SiVTEC]

I wanna race too......good race guys. Glad to see everyone being cool about it.....

[john]

i could own you with my honda minivan. :)

[Tsunami]

I want to race! I don't have traction problems, I bet me and rico would be close.

[newt2]

Didn't you do a whole b16 swap with a JRSC and a Hondata?

[Newsance]

Originally posted by newt2
Didn't you do a whole b16 swap with a JRSC and a Hondata?

It looked like a real SI to start with... with a JRSC, intake manifold, and some other shit. It's the proverbial "fast honda" that all the riceboys talk about but you never see... :)

With my traction issues on those shitty, shitty tires, I doubt I could pull a 2.5 60', making a sweet high 15 second run, but still, I wouldn't be surprised at all if that car is well in the 14's.

It was loud as FUCK too, and he said he had the silencer in...

[Brian]

Originally posted by Newsance


It looked like a real SI to start with... with a JRSC, intake manifold, and some other shit. It's the proverbial "fast honda" that all the riceboys talk about but you never see... :)

With my traction issues on those shitty, shitty tires, I doubt I could pull a 2.5 60', making a sweet high 15 second run, but still, I wouldn't be surprised at all if that car is well in the 14's.

It was loud as FUCK too, and he said he had the silencer in...

Rico, myself, and 2000SIVTEC all have the exact same setup. I'm the only one that has had a chance to run at the track. My best time so far on street tires has been a 14.7. I have a couple more mods now so we shall see. I think our cars could hit low 14's or maybe even a high 13 with drag radials. My trap speeds were around 99 which should be close.

Tsunami, i'll run ya. Those STS's are pretty quick, but not 14's up here :D. I think a lady at the track with one was running high 15's which is pretty damn good for such a big car.

Pat, Rico has an SI :)

[newt2]

I thought rico had a crx.... I guess I thought wrong.

[TedR719]

Wow Rico I should have stayed out last night :) Anyways good runs

[Newsance]

99 mph? Shit, if I'm not juicing, I'm owned from a roll. Last season I was trapping 14.7 at 94, and this season I'm only expecting to pick up 1-2 mph off the juice. With the DR's that should be 14.5 or therabouts, but I guess I don't want to fuck around with blown B16A civics without a warm bottle... :)

[rico_00si]

Pat: no, i have the other blue SI. sometimes i do wish i would have gotten a hatch though. :(

Newsance: was that a 14.7 @ 94 on a 150 shot??

[Brian]

Originally posted by Newsance
99 mph? Shit, if I'm not juicing, I'm owned from a roll. Last season I was trapping 14.7 at 94, and this season I'm only expecting to pick up 1-2 mph off the juice. With the DR's that should be 14.5 or therabouts, but I guess I don't want to fuck around with blown B16A civics without a warm bottle... :)

and I don't want to fuck around with your car if you have a warm bottle :D

Rico, no he has run 12's from what I hear on the 150 shot. The 14.7 is his best N/A run :)

[Newsance]

Originally posted by 99SIVTEC


and I don't want to fuck around with your car if you have a warm bottle :D

Rico, no he has run 12's from what I hear on the 150 shot. The 14.7 is his best N/A run :)

Roger. On the bottle, I'm trapping 108+ on the 150 shot, and last year, I ran a little more juice one day at the track and hit a 116 mph trap.

Rico, like I said last night, My car is pretty far from set up right. With those tires, and in the current state of tune, I'd be happy with a 2.5 60', 15.5@90, compared to the 2.0 60' and 14.7 at 94 on decent tires and a correct tune.

[02GTI1.8t]

man rico, you seem to be racing everyone the past couple days. Nice kill

[2000SiVTEC]

I wish I coud pull 2.0 60' times.....Best we can come close to on our street tires is 2.3's......

[Dallas J]

Hey Steve--

Im sure you can get better than that with your tires. With the neon i was pulling a low 2.3, and sometimes dipping into the 2.2 60 range. I believe that the tires are the stock tires that came on the car in 98 too. That means they are hard enough to last 60k miles. But im sure my clutch didnt like it to much.

[Brian]

My best 60' time on street tires was a 2.383 which was also my fastest run. We definetly need some drag radials.

[HONDA GHANDI]

im sure tires would make a huge difference on the 60 ft. My old hatchy squeezed off a 1.9 once on the bottle. The run ended up being the fastest it had ever run up here at 14.2. But alas the clutch was not very happy about it. Oh and that was on soft DOT road course race tires. Nice kill though Rico. I dont think if Newsance had the juice it would have made much difference with the traction problems he is having. But watch out when you see him with some stickies on!

[Dallas J]

is it that the tracks suck here or something? I know the track i went to wasnt very good.
How are you guys launching?
I was pretty much just holding it at about 3500-3800 and burning the clutch just enough so it didnt burn to long, but didnt bog. I got very slight wheel spin for the best results.

I guess ill see how i do with my laser this season up here. I wont be happy with anything slower than 2.0-2.1 on my street tires. Im sure i can get that, the laser weighs the same as the neon, but it has stickier tires.

[Brian]

The track here is great, but I doubt you will hit 60' times that low consistently at least. I launch at about 2500 rpm's but with the supercharger it roasts the tires pretty good....

[Dallas J]

Im gonna probably just get slicks for the track after i start having more traction problems.

After looking through the times of the Fastest Colorado DSMs, im sure im gonna have the top FWD up there. Although i bet not all the FWDs have been posted, but i want to be the first on there in the 13s.

[Brian]

Should be sweet man. Good luck in your quest. I hope to hit 13's at some point here too!!

[Newsance]

Originally posted by Dallas J
Im gonna probably just get slicks for the track after i start having more traction problems.

After looking through the times of the Fastest Colorado DSMs, im sure im gonna have the top FWD up there. Although i bet not all the FWDs have been posted, but i want to be the first on there in the 13s.

Where are you looking at DSM times? I know lots of guys in Colorado DSM club in the 12's, 3 of my good friends are...

[Dallas J]

Im talking about FWD. I know there are lots of fast AWDs, but im not blessed with traction:Peace: . I checked the times on CoDsm. If you know some fast FWDs let me know, id like to meet them.

btw ;RoCkOn;

[Newsance]

I know one. Has a 1998 TSI FWD, with I believe a 20G, front mount, 3" exhaust, and a bunch of other shit. mid/low 13's, and insane from a roll.

I raced him before i had nitrous once. He messed up at the line, and I got at least ten cars on him out of the hole. I was just about to lift, when I heard a PSSHHH!

I look over, and he is at my rear quarter panel, shifting into third. Then he's just fucking gone. I couldn't believe it, I have NEVER seen a car make up that much of a deficit that fast

[Dallas J]

That car sounds pretty bad ass. Im sure the car has more in it with the 20g if he had maybe some cams and good tuning. Maybe just race fuel and slicks and he in the 12s. Well now i have my goals....;RoCkOn;

But i do have an advantage though....:D. My car is a 92 and a laser so gutting it wouldnt make me feel bad at all. Maybe i can get some good weight advantages here.

[V8SpankR]

The CoDSM club is just a list of their members and not all the DSMs in the state.
If you stop being a member they remove your timeslip. IMO that's crappy they should have a list for all the DSMs in the state so you know what to shoot for.

I'm shooting for 12s but I'll be happy with a low 13 till I get the big IC.

[Dallas J]

When are you gonna upgrade that 2 3/8 exhaust to a real 3 inch V8SpankR?

[newt2]

When it starts slowing him down. Right now he's faster than 90% of the folks with the same mods (except for a 3"), so why bother?

[Dallas J]

Actually im pretty sure hes unique here...I dont think anyone else is running a 18g. Im sure that switching to a 3" would net him a few tenths with that semi-big turbo.

[V8SpankR]

I think I'm gonna prove something with this exhaust and then upgrade to a 3 inch next year. I really like the stock look and the sound is nice on the HKS.
I know John Shepherd ran the same exhaust into the 11s on his '92 Talon in the stock appearing class at the DSM shootout a couple of years ago.

[Dallas J]

Thats cool, i was just wondering. I didnt know that shepherd took that exhaust into the 11s. But i still think you would get some tenths out of a 3". BTW that exhaust is only 1/8" bigger than the stock neons.

[V8SpankR]

The stock exhaust is over 2 inches? Wow,didn't know that,the stock exhaust on a DSM is under 2 inches I think that's why there's such a gain from just an exhaust.

[newt2]

Originally posted by Dallas J
Actually im pretty sure hes unique here...I dont think anyone else is running a 18g. Im sure that switching to a 3" would net him a few tenths with that semi-big turbo.

He's unique here right now but Dave Landry ran a 13.9 when he had a 18G and a 3" exhaust. Paul ran that on a 16G and 2 3/8" exhaust.

I think 3" may be overkill for this altitude. It works great on the sea level crowd but up here may be different. On most 4cyl cars a 3" isn't really needed till you cross the 300 chp mark, and altitude corrected I don't beleive he's there yet.

[Dallas J]

From what i understand from my countless hours of reading back posts on DSMTalk, and other website....yeah so i have no life;) ...is that if turbo cars had there way that there would be no exhaust. The Turbo it self gives enough velocity to not need anything else.

Just cause Dave Ran a 13.9 with a 18g and V8SpankR ran a 13.9 with a S16g doesnt mean a whole lot to me cause i dont know the amount of supporting mods, boost, 60ft..and so on of Dave.

Just curious, what is the correction factor from here to sea level? It seems that its got to be more than 1 sec for our cars cause alot of people have been getting into the 12s range with just the 14b, and with bigger turbo easier. Maybe V8SpankR needs to get some more fuel mods and crank the boost to about 22 psi with some 118 and run in the 12s :D . I cant wait to see how alot of these people run this year, its gonna be great.
;RoCkOn;

[Brian]

Paul has very little done to his car which is why it's impressive. I think he has one of the best money:speed ratio of any dsm i've seen around here so far.

[newt2]

Just cause Dave Ran a 13.9 with a 18g and V8SpankR ran a 13.9 with a S16g doesnt mean a whole lot to me cause i dont know the amount of supporting mods, boost, 60ft..and so on of Dave.

Well I do know that Dave was at least running 4 more psi than Paul and I'm pretty sure he had a front mount too.

Here's his setup that he ran a 13.9 on:
16G at 16psi
2 3/8 exhaust
2.5 downpipe
upper intercooler pipe.
untuned SAFC
2G exhaust manifold
HKS Intake
stock cat
stock intercooler
stock fuel pump
stock injectors

That's it. I've heard a lot of people rag on his small exhaust when they had the same setup (aside from the exhaust) and he was faster than them.

But then again, IMO Paul's the best DSM driver in the entire Colorado area. He's definitely got more passes than any other DSM under his belt, most likely by a factor of 2 or 3. He's been racing the car at Bandi every Friday night for the last 5 years, it has approximately 300 passes on it. That could very easily explain the performance differences we see between his car and others with similar mods.

[V8SpankR]

Oh great,Pat's doing my shit talking for me. :D

Now I have something to prove.
But BatmanGSX has the fastest least modded DSM in the state that I've seen. He ran a 13.4 with intake/exhaust,18g pushing around 20psi (?) and a fuel pump upgrade. I know now though he has the proper exhaust mods and a few other goodies in his car so maybe he'll see 12s.
:( Man,I need to get a FMIC and soon.

[HONDA GHANDI]

Bump. what happened to htis guy?

[stu]

Damn it Tobi! I was reading all these pages and thinkng, "Why does Brian keep talking like he still has his Civic?" Then I looked at the dates.

[HONDA GHANDI]

Sorry, good post it was just a bump to keep the winter from getting stale.

[V8SpankR]

Originally posted by stu
Damn it Tobi! I was reading all these pages and thinkng, "Why does Brian keep talking like he still has his Civic?" Then I looked at the dates.

Ha,I was thinking the same thing and then realized it was almost a year old.:p

[Newsance]

Originally posted by HONDA GHANDI
Bump. what happened to htis guy?

You talking to me? I pretty much dissapeared, heh. I'm amazed my username still works a year later...

Just haven't been around any boards much.

[V8SpankR]

Hey Newsance,whwere you been and are you gonna make it to a club clash this year?

[Newsance]

Originally posted by V8SpankR
Hey Newsance,whwere you been and are you gonna make it to a club clash this year?

I'd like to. :)

As for where have I been, man, I was looking, and the last time I posted was right when my motor started puking oil out of the dipstick due to major blowby.

At that point, I really didn't feel the need to be posting, as the car was slower than shit. (Bandi times of 15.9@86 off the juice)

Anyways, around school and work, I had a friend in Texas do the machine work on a new block for me, then threw a lot of nice parts into it, to hold the amount of nitrous I ever wanted to throw at it. Got it together, and the extra power blew the transmission before I even went WOT on it during the break in.

So, I throw in a built transmission. POP! Snap the driveshaft.

New driveshaft, and by now the motor is worn in. Great. All the sudden it starts getting really slow. The breakin period destroyed my Cats, which are now completely filled with carbon.

So, I redo the entire exhaust, headers, Y pipe, catco 3" cats, Cutout. The carpicked up so much power it was ridiculous. On Kumho 712's, I have to feather it through all of first and half of second, and it has been barking the tires going into third. The DR's that used to ensure a good hook off the line now spin badly launching at anything over 800 rpm.

So, I'm pretty happy with where the car is right now. The biggest limitations of the car right now are the fact that it's still running a Long Tube Runner intake setup, and it would really like a Holly Stealth ram manifold instead. Also, it's still on the stock heads, which are really pretty poor. Mod plans are on hold right now as I am buying a house in about a month, but I would like to change out the heads and intake manifold this summer, and move up to a matching cam (Right now it has an LT4 production cam in, which is relatively mild).