TA vs. DA

[Dynhamik]

Just curious to what kind of numbers a honda would have to be putting out for it to be able to take a LSI(i think thats what its called) Trans AM with 380hp with a 100 shot of No2. And what mods do you recommend going all motor.
I appologize if this is a ignorant question.

[stu]

At least 425 and someone who can really really drive. Not to mention a suspension and tires that can handle that kind of power and put it down.

[Dynhamik]

Damn.......Dreams have been crushed today..

[Dynhamik]

But what about Power:weight? Id think all id need is barley half of that?
And what about on a circuit

[stu]

Nope, you'd need about what they have to compensate for Hondas sucking in a straight line. You might have a chance at beating one on a small, tight, parking lot SCCA Solo course. You'd have to really put some money into your car on any real race track where the turns aren't so small.

[Weston]

If it's a drag race, then weight, gearing, and aerodynamics are all factors as well as engine power.

If it's a "circuit" (assuming you mean road course), then there are a ton of other factors (driver skill being a huge part of it), and he wont last long using nitrous.

If it's an autocross (parking lot course), then it's almost entirely driver skill, and suspension and tires are more important than power.

[Dynhamik]

k thanks for the info. i have some work to do.

[ryanman]

Well a T/A with roughly 380hp at the wheels plus a 100 shot of nitrous at sea level will run somewhere around a high 10-low 11 with slicks and trap in the mid-upper 120mph range.

Good luck with your civic, LOL.

[Skaterkid]

Just make your car fun to drive for you. There will always be someone faster.

[STIBungy]

Another dream crushed by Ryanman. :rofl:


Well a T/A with roughly 380hp at the wheels plus a 100 shot of nitrous at sea level will run somewhere around a high 10-low 11 with slicks and trap in the mid-upper 120mph range.

Good luck with your civic, LOL.

[M@]

To put it into perspective, I ran a 13.9 on a blown turbo with a slipping clutch. About 3 weeks ago, I raced a newer Camaro SS ('01 or so) spraying a 125 shot of N20.. he wasn't able to inch on me until 110+. I have no power in that area thanks to my little turbo. Anyways, a good turbo kit and good driving, you could take em.

[Dynhamik]

Thanks again.

[rmcdaniels]

There's too many variables, I have beaten those with 380 WHP and lost to them with 408. I beat one guy 6 times in a row one night. He got better E/T's than me every time, but he gave me .5 second in reaction time every run. It pissed him off to no end. I had another guy with a stock Camaro SS and a 100-shot just destroy me, it wasn't even close, but he had good tires, better gearing, and was a better driver, especially his launch. I've seen some all-motor H22 swaps that did real well in the 1/8th, but not so well in the 1/4, same for K20 swaps. Of course those same swaps with nitrous might be a different story.

For non-drag racing, it's mostly driver and tires, plus a bit of suspension. I've seen a stripped hatch with the original 150,000 mile D16 run 3rd fastest in a field of 80+ cars at a road course, the guy had great tires and really knew how to drive, the way he went through corners was just nuts and reflected a total disregard for the value of human life.

[floored4door]

Just make your car fun to drive for you. There will always be someone faster.

:werd: and :werd: All that matters in my book.

[ryanman]

Just make your car fun to drive for you. There will always be someone faster.
:werd:

[Dynhamik]

So it what your saying is that it depends on so many things, power,suspension,tires, but mostly driver experience?

[Dynhamik]

I just get tired of these muscle heads always talkin shit about hondas, and someone really needs to shut them up.

[Weston-work]

While that's true of many of them, the ones who actually are skilled drivers and successful are usually pretty friendly.

In my experience, there are a lot of quite insecure and cocky drivers, who are sometimes successful, but are constantly afraid of being beaten. Their limited success doesn't last forever, and when someone beats them, they don't always know quite what to do, but the excuses will be flying. The smarter, and ultimately more successful, drivers realize that having good competition gives them the drive to become better themselves, and there's a lot more satisfaction in winning when it's a challenge.

[ryanman]

:werd:

[stu]

No one needs to shut them up because honestly, Hondas do kind of suck.

[M@]

:werd: Good post weston.

[M@]

No one needs to shut them up because honestly, Hondas do kind of suck.
You suck.

[ryanman]

I just get tired of these muscle heads always talkin shit about hondas, and someone really needs to shut them up.
Don't think that it's just Hondas, people have been talking shit about other makes/models of cars ever since they started rolling off the assembly lines. It's always been that way and it will never stop, get use to it. Build whatever you're gonna build and be proud of it. I've built many different kinds of cars and heard all the shit that people say but honestly I could give a flying fuck about what they say, you and everyone else should feel the same way, it's your car/money, not theirs.

[rmcdaniels]

No one needs to shut them up because honestly, Hondas do kind of suck.

That's pretty true at the drag strip, for every fast one I see, there are at least 20 slow ones. At autocross and road course events they do well and get some respect, more than a F-body at any rate.

[rmcdaniels]

In my experience, there are a lot of quite insecure and cocky drivers, who are sometimes successful, but are constantly afraid of being beaten.

Those are the most fun ones to beat, I've seen them break down and have panic attacks. Then it's fun to rub it in "Wow, nice driving, that Z06 almost kept up with my Civic. Is it modified? Because I usually don't see those cars keeping up that well with the Civic" (said in a very nice, sincere, and condescending tone of voice).

[Weston-work]

Yup. :rofl: It's usually the street warrior types that show up to an open track day, but rarely manage to get into an actual sanctioned race.

[servion]

Well a T/A with roughly 380hp at the wheels plus a 100 shot of nitrous at sea level will run somewhere around a high 10-low 11 with slicks and trap in the mid-upper 120mph range.

Good luck with your civic, LOL.

Are you sure about that? That seems like a pretty quick time for a heavy car like that with those mods; I'm not as familiar with the domestics and what it takes to run certain times so I could be way off, but that time seems a little quick for that power. I have a buddy with a 500whp mustang that was (using nitrous) hoping for 11's.

FYI, 425 actual uncorrected whp is more than enough for 10's in a honda (assuming we're talking about drag racing).

[ryanman]

At sea level with slicks and a good driver, yes. I've seen a few stock LS1's (300-ish whp) with slicks run 11.90's.

[servion]

At sea level with slicks and a good driver, yes.

Well, you don't see many of them around here hahah

120mph traps in a honda takes about 300-325 corrected colorado whp, which can be achieved with a cheap-ass drag turbo kit. Race him from a roll :)

[ryanman]

Nahh, lol. As you know elevation kills.

[rmcdaniels]

I've noticed that the big domestic cars also don't seem to deal well with high humidity. We have a track here in NC where the humidity gets pretty high and on humid days my turbo setup would kill about anything with a V8, even guys who would definitely beat me on a less humid day. I only know one of the F-body guys who takes a portable hygrometer to the track and uses the reading from it to tweak his fuel tables though, and I've never raced him, although he would probably have beaten me, he's got a built high-compression 383 stroker with some kind of high $ heads and runs low 12's/high 11's. He also owns a GM performance shop and builds/tunes LT1/LS1 cars for a living.

[Why do i try?]

I heard of ppl making there civic awd useing a CRV drive train. It will cost you a lot but then you got a good bace to upgrade. Also if ppl want to import from japan i found a good sight. It has a lot of cars that never came here, FTO, vits Silvas and skylines, the are K and K trading. Check them out but you can't ship the cars here you need to make them parts.