Going out on a limb

[Angel]

:rolleyes: Ok I am gonna go way out on a limb and risk all the "rice" comments ...I have a question. I had a Tanabe exhaust installed and its freaking quiet. How do I make it louder? From what I've heard this is a "loud exhaust"...only apparently its not...Anyways how do I make it louder?

[Pang]

remove the cat, if you haven't done so ;)

[wongfeihung]

other than the tanabe exhaust, do you have anything installed on your motor? header or intake? the header wont make much difference in sound, but the intake (usually a short ram will be louder than a cold air intake) will make a difference in sound along with the exhaust. Did the muffler come with a silincer by chance? you did take that off right? anyhoo....time to flame just a little bit lol. Why do you want your car to be loud!! lol...its only sound and isnt it better to have a quiet car? anyho0...good luck.

[Angel]

I have a cold air intake guess I need to get a short ram. I dunno why I want it to be so loud...big wing loud car, Im brain washed by Texas imports I guess :)

[Angel]

And yes I remembered to take the silencer out :)

[wongfeihung]

I have a cold air intake guess I need to get a short ram. I dunno why I want it to be so loud...big wing loud car, Im brain washed by Texas imports I guess :)

could be it, and the only reason why the short ram will be louder is because it will be closer to the engine bay, actually inside it rather than the fender. so naturally, its closer to you. might lose like 1 or 2 horse power tho, but that wont make a difference at all except on the butt dyno.

p.s. just make your cold air intake into a short ram :) that way, you wont have to buy one.

[Angel]

Lol I drive an eclipse...cant be too worried about horse power

[Angel]

p.s. just make your cold air intake into a short ram :) that way, you wont have to buy one.
I was going to but I cant because then there isnt anywhere for my o2 sensor to hook to...ok that doesnt make sence but my cai is one long piece and one really short piece lol wow that sounds i intelligent

[wongfeihung]

I was going to but I cant because then there isnt anywhere for my o2 sensor to hook to...ok that doesnt make sence but my cai is one long piece and one really short piece lol wow that sounds i intelligent


so your telling me there is no way for you to take a saw and cut your cai into a short ram? I know it sounds ghetto, but it works. unless your cai is some expensive name brand, then its probably better off getting a cheap short ram off of ebay.

[Angel]

Nah I could cut it lol actually never thought of that. Thx

[-=[Juztin]=-]

When I did the nismo headers on my car, the exhaust note definately shifted upward on the dB scale. As for intake, no noticeable difference in exhaust, because your not increasing gas flow any! Other than with the JWT it did whistle around 4k-5k rpms noticeably which I could hear from in-car. Headers will make an exhaust note difference before an intake does. *with my own experience with my car anyway. Just remove your cat(s) if you want a louder exhaust, or you can try removing the silencer if you have one. But your more prone to rasp w/out a silencer, or cats for that matter.

[Angel]

Does Colorado have a state vehicle inspection?

[-=[Juztin]=-]

if u register your car here, yes.

[Angel]

So isnt it illegal not to have a cat?

[-=[Juztin]=-]

Pretty much every state yes because most have a form of emissions testing and legislative ordinance. Some state's do not though.

[apocs93lude]

sooooo, when you get the exhuast?, sorry it isn't loud, maybe you should buy a honda....

[Angel]

I guess I'll just not have a loud car :rolleyes: lol I just might live

[Angel]

sooooo, when you get the exhuast?, sorry it isn't loud, maybe you should buy a honda....
Your so funny...really you are....btw, you remembered to take out the silencer right?!?!?

[apocs93lude]

yes... thats the thing laying in your trunk... but there still is another smaller piping in there, so we could get some pliers and ghetto it and pull that shit out, but if we do that, might as well take out all the fiberglass in the muffler....

[Angel]

yeah oh hey while your at it stab the screwdriver through the muffler...a couple times

[apocs93lude]

but if we do that, I'm sure it will cause some back presure, and when you down shift you'll have the rumblin' sound as it idles down.... you know, the sound you didn't want...

[apocs93lude]

no that will make it sound like a leak... the fiber glass getting yanked is just gonna let all the exhuast come threw the muffler, which would than be hollow, so nothing to block the air... so it would be louder...

[Angel]

I was being sarcastic

[apocs93lude]

sure... guess what... my car is still louder

[Angel]

You are god

[-=[Juztin]=-]

sure... guess what... my car is still louder But does it sound good or like shit? I dont know about everyone on this board, but I prefer a loud good sounding exhaust. Ideally I'd like to have resonated test pipes for my exhaust to get rid of the rasp I get from 3-3.8k from not having any cats....

[crxnco]

I'd say the holes in the muffler is the way to go, if you can't force the screwdriver through, just drill some holes. You could also drill some holes in your header and cai,, it definatly be louder too.. then make sure you always drive with your window down to get the full effect.... ;NutKick; ;NutKick;

[Angel]

=-']But does it sound good or like shit? I dont know about everyone on this board, but I prefer a loud good sounding exhaust. Ideally I'd like to have resonated test pipes for my exhaust to get rid of the rasp I get from 3-3.8k from not having any cats....
It sounds alright its just not loud. I wanted a loud exhaust and its not loud its kinda deep but not nearly what i wanted.

[apocs93lude]

I dunno I like the sound of it, ask her...

[Angel]

like I said its ok but not what I wanted

[Angel]

But yay my car is low again. Buh bye front end lol

[transaxion]

the emissions tests here only look for the cat. they dont make sure its doing its job like other states do. gutting that thing out will make it louder if you want but in colorado the law is if the exhaust is louder than stock, its illegal. doesnt matter if it came from whatever factory DOT approved 50 state street legal. cops give me shit for my exhaust and its pretty quiet. plus with how flashy your car is, i'm sure it will attract a lot of attention.

[racer_rex89]

Where I live we don't have emissions tests but the cops will still give you shit. But they just give warnings.

[bluetalon]

Since no one else said it...


...Ricer!!!

[Angel]

Haha I was waiting for that

[Angel]

So what exactly classifies my car as "rice"

[apocs93lude]

I think it was Jeff Foxworthy that said

"If your wing is so big, that people get it confused with a delta air liner, you might be a ricer"

[bluetalon]

Basically, any euro tail lights, big spoilers, neon lighting, and some body kits are now considered "rice." Most of us want to make our car "RACE, not rice." If it's not performance oriented, it may be ricey. Also, doing performance mods solely to seem cool is a ricer trait. Like if you have turbo and you really need that blow off valve to be loud, and the only reason you bought it is for it to be loud, you might be a ricer. When I first started my cars, they were a little ricer style, but I'm slowly phasing out all the rice.

[bluetalon]

Don't get me wrong, your car is cool, but if it were mine I would take off at least one of the cosmetic upgrades. Don't get offended either, you built the car for yourself, not for everyone else. My extra car is a '92 Eagle Talon TSI with a body kit and some ricer tails, but I like it a lot. My daily driver is an '03 Honda civic si with turbo. I have been clowned on a couple times but I don't care.

[wongfeihung]

So what exactly classifies my car as "rice"


lets see, your hood, your body kit, your shopping car wing, your wheels, and you probably have altezza rear lights huh? lol...and plus your ricer mentality of wanting a car thats loud. Its ok tho, its your car so if that makes you happy then who are we to say anything.

[Angel]

lets see, your hood, your body kit, your shopping car wing, your wheels, and you probably have altezza rear lights huh? lol...and plus your ricer mentality of wanting a car thats loud. Its ok tho, its your car so if that makes you happy then who are we to say anything.
http://www.cardomain.com/memberpage/850097 Haha lets try all of the above. And yes I love my car :)

[apocs93lude]

I dunno to me rice, is anything in the import scene not done right... like body kits screwed on and you can still see the screws, exhuast that has been stabed to give it a kinda exhuast effect... big wings, and that being the only comestic upgrade, to me all that is rice, than to me theres 2 diff kinda imports, race and show, show being the ones with kits that are nicely done, everything flows togehter, might have a big wing, but it still works, nice paint jobs, clean sounding exhuast, interior done up properly, with out the 100 strobes and neons... something clean, than theres race, spend all the money on the engine for internals and turbos, and trying to better thier times... which is coo, I think all car people deserve some kinda respect, cuz race people spend all thier money and dedicate thier time to going fast into, show people dedicate thier time and money to making thier car look clean cuz thats what thier into, it's all the same thing, just different points of view... the only people that don't derserve respect is the ones that don't give it... and ricers..... if you actually have a true love for the sport, than why hate... soooooooo I dunno, the worst people I've met in the import scene down here, are JDM people, cuz they seem to think theres only 1 kinda import, and it's thiers and thier better than everyone cuz they keep the Japan look... but last time I checked, the kits and crap we have on our cars, are from Japan, are on all the cars in Japan... so wouldn't that almost make it JDM..except for the non-stock part...... I'm gonna stop talking cuz I don't know what else to say... so I'm out...

[rmcdaniels]

Maybe this would be better off in the "looks and sound" forum. I'm not sure that "Why isn't my ricemobile loud enough to wake up ALL of my neighbors?" is really a technical question.

And just one more thing:






















































RICER! ;NutKick;

[Angel]

Chill thats not what I asked I never said I wanted to wake up all my neighbors, just want it to be louder than stock. So call me a ricer if you choose. :rolleyes: :Peace:

[saabracr]

If you just installed the exhaust, put a few hundred miles on it and see if it gets louder. Most glass packed mufflers will get a little louder after a short time. My magnaflow on my last car sounded stock until I drove around for a week or so. I don't know anything about Tanabe, other than that its not Swedish, therefore making it crap.

[Skaterkid]

Big, useless wing, ugly chrome rims (IMO), extraneous vents and slats that serve no purpose, car has no intention for any type of motorsport, engine mods are weak bolt ons, and you want your car to be louder. Have fun staring at my taillights.

[Angel]

Uh yeah thx they arnt chrome

[apocs93lude]

sup skater, she didn't say anything about racing, nor did she say she could out run anyone, shes not into speed, if she was she wouldn't of got a 3G eclipse.......... so the whole "have fun staring at my tail lights" just made you a jack ass, if you wanna talk shit about you being quick, go talk to someone who really givez a fuk... can we get back to the topic of making her exhuast louder, and leave ignorant comments like yours out.... and you run a 15.7 she runs a 15.3..... so have fun staring at her tail lights...

[racer_rex89]

.......... so the whole "have fun staring at my tail lights" just made you a jack ass....... and you run a 15.7 she runs a 15.3..... so have fun staring at her tail lights...

;NutKick; :rofl: :werd:

[Angel]

Yeah I didnt wanna know how to be a drag racer just wanted to know if anyone had any intelligent ideas on making it louder. :)

[myshtern]

Suckah got served. [/lisp]

If its using a cat, just replace it with a pipe.

[Angel]

[QUOTE=myshtern]Suckah got served. [/lisp]

?

[Skaterkid]

sup skater, she didn't say anything about racing, nor did she say she could out run anyone, shes not into speed, if she was she wouldn't of got a 3G eclipse.......... so the whole "have fun staring at my tail lights" just made you a jack ass, if you wanna talk shit about you being quick, go talk to someone who really givez a fuk... can we get back to the topic of making her exhuast louder, and leave ignorant comments like yours out.... and you run a 15.7 she runs a 15.3..... so have fun staring at her tail lights...
Welcome to high altitude. Come up here and run a 16.5. I'll run a 14 easy down in Texas. She asked why she was a ricer. I answered. You and your ricer kroo don't concern me.

[Angel]

Lmao paint, soap and a brillo pad

[apocs93lude]

ok cool guy, explain to me how your car will cut 2 sec. in the quarter? ;ScratchHe
;SwallOw: your running a turbo motor... Where you live is the best place to run forced induction... cuz of the climate... coming down here, will just decrease the chances of you ever seeing the head lights of her car in your mirror.... and about the whole "ricer crew" you don't know shit... dude you have geo... no ones afraid of a apparenlty almost fully built Geo thats only pulling 15's I have a turbo miata down here running 10.9's... how are you going to talk down on a stock car that runs better times than you with you being fully built? shut da fuk up, oh yeah... props on the engine bay, keeping it clean.... "usuk: ;NutKick; ;ScratchHe

Storm ;wor; Eclipse

[bluetalon]

ok cool guy, explain to me how your car will cut 2 sec. in the quarter? ;ScratchHe
;SwallOw: your running a turbo motor... Where you live is the best place to run forced induction... cuz of the climate... coming down here, will just decrease the chances of you ever seeing the head lights of her car in your mirror.... and about the whole "ricer crew" you don't know shit... dude you have geo... no ones afraid of a apparenlty almost fully built Geo thats only pulling 15's I have a turbo miata down here running 10.9's... how are you going to talk down on a stock car that runs better times than you with you being fully built? shut da fuk up, oh yeah... props on the engine bay, keeping it clean.... "usuk: ;NutKick; ;ScratchHe

Storm ;wor; Eclipse
Sounds like you don't know shit either, everyone's car is faster at lower altitude. I don't know about 2 seconds, but he will be faster.

Oh, 10.9 in a Miata? Got timeslips? And a pic of your engine? How 'bout a dyno sheet?

[rmcdaniels]

ok cool guy, explain to me how your car will cut 2 sec. in the quarter? ;ScratchHe
;SwallOw: your running a turbo motor... Where you live is the best place to run forced induction... cuz of the climate... coming down here, will just decrease the chances of you ever seeing the head lights of her car in your mirror.... and about the whole "ricer crew" you don't know shit... dude you have geo... no ones afraid of a apparenlty almost fully built Geo thats only pulling 15's I have a turbo miata down here running 10.9's... how are you going to talk down on a stock car that runs better times than you with you being fully built? shut da fuk up, oh yeah... props on the engine bay, keeping it clean.... "usuk: ;NutKick; ;ScratchHe

Storm ;wor; Eclipse

What track do you run 10.9's at?

[apocs93lude]

forced induction runs better in higher climates, thiner air, look it up, and I don't have the miata, my friend does, and yeah he has slips, it's a fully built turbo miata pushing 18 psi, and 150 shot of nitrous, higher climates are better for turbos, cuz of the air, it's a bitch on NA's engines tho, but what the fuk does it matter, this isn't no pissing contest on seeing you can fucking talk shit the best, this was a simple question about making an exhuast louder, but people wanna be jackass' and start talking shit about someones car, when that person never said anything racing, or speed, or quater mile times, or calling anyone out.... so drop the fuking shit, grow the fuk up and move on, this board has some of the most ignorant people, I have yet to meet...

[81HRDNK]

Not to start anything with anyone. But correct me if I am wrong don't motors with power adders thrive in denser(sp) air i.e. lower altitudes where the air is thicker?

[apocs93lude]

Turbocharger at high altitudes pull more power, where the air is less dense. Normal engines will experience reduced power at high altitudes because for each stroke of the piston, the engine will get a smaller mass of air. A turbocharged engine will be less dramatic because the thinner air is easier for the turbocharger to pump.

[81HRDNK]

see that just doesn't make sense to me. A internal combustion(sp) motor functions based on the properties of mixing air with gas and igniting(sp) it. In my opinion a turbo at altitude is still going to be hindered by the lack of oxygen in the atmosphere, verses the amount near sea level.

[rmcdaniels]

forced induction runs better in higher climates, thiner air, look it up, and I don't have the miata, my friend does, and yeah he has slips, it's a fully built turbo miata pushing 18 psi, and 150 shot of nitrous, higher climates are better for turbos, cuz of the air, it's a bitch on NA's engines tho, but what the fuk does it matter, this isn't no pissing contest on seeing you can fucking talk shit the best, this was a simple question about making an exhuast louder, but people wanna be jackass' and start talking shit about someones car, when that person never said anything racing, or speed, or quater mile times, or calling anyone out.... so drop the fuking shit, grow the fuk up and move on, this board has some of the most ignorant people, I have yet to meet...
All types of induction lose power at high altitudes, forced induction just loses less power than N/A. If he brings his turbo car down here to seal level, then it will get significantly faster. The people you are lecturing about the effects of altitude live in CO, they actually know what they are talking about, they have to deal with it every day, maybe you should listen to them and learn something.

As far as who owns the Miata that runs 10's, earlier you said you had it, which raised some flags because from your posts so far, you're not particularly knowledgeable about how fast cars work, which you probably would be if you had actually built one that runs 10's. Now that you've clarified that you actually just know somebody with a fast car, it makes much more sense. We all know people with fast cars, and they tend to be knowledgeable about how fast cars work. Of course most of us don't get ourselves confused with that person, but that sounds like a personal issue.

This board actually has some knowledgeable people with regards to import performance, and a bunch of them actually build and run their own cars at the track, so they can actually speak from experience. It's actually one of the better boards for getting correct answers.

Finally, Angel knew he/she (not sure about the gender, if female, then please post pics) would get flak for posting a ricer question on a performance oriented board, just read the initial post. So Angel posted the question, got some answers, and got called a ricer, no problem.

[81HRDNK]

[QUOTE=rmcdaniels]All types of induction lose power at high altitudes, forced induction just loses less power than N/A. If he brings his turbo car down here to seal level, then it will get significantly faster. The people you are lecturing about the effects of altitude live in CO, they actually know what they are talking about, they have to deal with it every day, maybe you should listen to them and learn something.


werd :)

[apocs93lude]

do me a favor, go online and look it up.... show me proof of what your saying, cuz I know for a fact that thinner air and colder air allows the turbo more power... I wouldn't be saying it if I hadn't already looked it up...

[Angel]

Alright now children lets all stop arguing. I have no problem being called a ricer, obviously. If I did, from reading other threads, I would NEVER have posted this question. The only thing that makes me mad is when people start talking needless crap (i.e Big, useless wing, ugly chrome rims (IMO), extraneous vents and slats that serve no purpose, car has no intention for any type of motorsport, engine mods are weak bolt ons) Really?!? The wing is useless? I thought I needed it to hold down the back end of my front wheel drive car...come on man. I know all this. I dont race. I happen to like my car and the pointless carbon fiber hood and the big ass wing and my ricer exhaust. A mere wow I dont really like your car would have been sufficient. Im not running around saying how my car is better looking and faster. My car is like it is for me not so I can please everyone around me. People get so off track on this forum. If I would have posted "Hey guys what do you think of my car" (which I did on my cardomain guestbook page so go talk crap there http://www.cardomain.com/memberpage/850097) I would have expected that but really its unnecessary. And I am female to answer rmcdaniels question. Thx everyone who actually tried to help with my initial
question. :)

[81RDNK]

do me a favor, go online and look it up.... show me proof of what your saying, cuz I know for a fact that thinner air and colder air allows the turbo more power... I wouldn't be saying it if I hadn't already looked it up...

Sorry if you thought I was talking sh!t dude, I wasn't. I am merely wondering if what you said was true. Cause where I am coming from it doesn't sound like it holds water. that is just my .02.

[Skaterkid]

forced induction runs better in higher climates, thiner air, look it up, and I don't have the miata, my friend does, and yeah he has slips, it's a fully built turbo miata pushing 18 psi, and 150 shot of nitrous, higher climates are better for turbos, cuz of the air, it's a bitch on NA's engines tho, but what the fuk does it matter, this isn't no pissing contest on seeing you can fucking talk shit the best, this was a simple question about making an exhuast louder, but people wanna be jackass' and start talking shit about someones car, when that person never said anything racing, or speed, or quater mile times, or calling anyone out.... so drop the fuking shit, grow the fuk up and move on, this board has some of the most ignorant people, I have yet to meet...
I lose less time from high to low altitude because of my turbo, but I still lose time. There is less oxygen up here to burn period. And while my turbo will still retain the correct pressure ratio, if I go down to Texas I'll pick up a half of a second, plus my launches were terrible the night I ran, so there is some time to gain there. Either way, you're a ricer, and you don't even notice that my car is far from built. If it was built I'd be running 11's. So go and learn something about cars other than putting hood pins on your stock hood and ghetto exhausts on a Prelude.

[Skaterkid]

do me a favor, go online and look it up.... show me proof of what your saying, cuz I know for a fact that thinner air and colder air allows the turbo more power... I wouldn't be saying it if I hadn't already looked it up...
You're wrong. Thinner air means less power. And CO isn't that cold during the summer.

[Angel]

"The turbocharger also helps at high altitudes, where the air is less dense. Normal engines will experience reduced power at high altitudes because for each stroke of the piston, the engine will get a smaller mass of air. A turbocharged engine may also have reduced power, but the reduction will be less dramatic because the thinner air is easier for the turbocharger to pump"....http://www.audspeed.com/pages/6/index.htm. can we all stop arguing bout this now

[rmcdaniels]

do me a favor, go online and look it up.... show me proof of what your saying, cuz I know for a fact that thinner air and colder air allows the turbo more power... I wouldn't be saying it if I hadn't already looked it up...
Please provide a referance of where you looked it up, I'd be interested in reading that.

http://auto.howstuffworks.com/turbo3.htm

http://www.nhra.com/preview98/moparparts_bandimere/records.html

http://www.nhra.com/preview98/winston_invitational/records.html

At reduced air density, the turbo has to work harder to pressurize the air to the same PSI as it does at a lower altitude (PSI delta is greater in CO than in NC), reducing its efficiency so it puts out hotter air, which is less dense. Less air molecules in = less power.

[Angel]

"The turbocharger also helps at high altitudes, where the air is less dense. Normal engines will experience reduced power at high altitudes because for each stroke of the piston, the engine will get a smaller mass of air. A turbocharged engine may also have reduced power, but the reduction will be less dramatic because the thinner air is easier for the turbocharger to pump"....http://www.audspeed.com/pages/6/index.htm. can we all stop arguing bout this now
Does anyone actually read my posts

[rmcdaniels]

Does anyone actually read my posts

Yeah, I was going to say nice technical post, but I was too busy impaling the other guy on the spear of my logic, and I didn't want to sound too condescending.

[-=[Juztin]=-]

Quick analogy...

Go up to the top of pikes peak, take big gulps of air and guess what you'll notice... it's hard to breath! less air! That's akin to a N/A car at 5,000 feet asl versus at sea level.

Now go up to pikes peak with an oxygen feeder as well, you'll notice it's easier to breath but your lungs still have to work for it. Same thing with putting a turbo/sc on a car. If you put a compressor in the air tube opposed to pressurized air from the canister you'd also notice the oxygen being warmer. Because it has to spin faster to get the same pressure. Just like a turbo, whereas with a SC your stuck with having less pressure in the manifold versus at sea level...

My car alone has lost ~50 hp to the wheels from high altitude. But then again I'm N/A.

[STIBungy]

Myshtern must've handed off the Corky Bell Maximum Boost book to someone else.

[apocs93lude]

I lose less time from high to low altitude because of my turbo, but I still lose time. There is less oxygen up here to burn period. And while my turbo will still retain the correct pressure ratio, if I go down to Texas I'll pick up a half of a second, plus my launches were terrible the night I ran, so there is some time to gain there. Either way, you're a ricer, and you don't even notice that my car is far from built. If it was built I'd be running 11's. So go and learn something about cars other than putting hood pins on your stock hood and ghetto exhausts on a Prelude.

umm according to your cardomain, your car is pretty well built and still running 15's..... but as for my hood, I don't have hood pins just to have them, I don't have a hood latch... so those are holding on my hood, explain what on my car makes me a ricer?... is it the fuctional hood pins, or the HUGE 15 in rims.... or maybe it's my custom exhuast.... maybe since I didn't buy it from Top Speed or Tanabe or some other bolt on manafacture, and went and got a custom SPW muffler put on with bigger piping makes me a ricer.... or maybe it's just you need something to throw at me and ain't got shit :fu: , lets drop this... I don't wanna go up there with anybody hating me.... all that should have came out of this whole thing was "get rid of your cat, if you want your car to be louder" .... nothing rice had to be brought up.... nothing about racing had to be brought up.... so lets just end this thread, cuz she already got the answer she was looking for....

[rmcdaniels]

To paraphrase the Honorable Supreme Court Justice Potter Stewart in 1964...."I can't define riced-out, but I know it when I see it."

[apocs93lude]

To paraphrase the Honorable Supreme Court Justice Potter Stewart in 1964...."I can't define riced-out, but I know it when I see it."

:rofl: 'ass: funny....

[Skaterkid]

It's not built. It's a small junkyard turbo that I pieced together. The internals are stock. It runs 7 psi, and its a small turbo. When I get everything built it'll run maybe a 13 here, but nothing about it is built.

[myshtern]

Myshtern must've handed off the Corky Bell Maximum Boost book to someone else.
hey meow, f-off
Corky is cool