alpine type R, 10's

[blue]

i was wondering if anyone knew where i could get a good deal on a pair of 10 inch Alpine type R's?

[Robert_K]

$$$

[preludeshfan]

dont waste your money

[David]

what do you mean? Do you not like Alpine subs or something?

[preludeshfan]

the type R subs have characteristics that make them have a very poor responce curve in both sealed and ported applications.
some people dont know good sound when they hear it and therefore dont realise how shitty these subs really sound.
unfortunatly people buy things that look good rather than sound good.
funny how the Type R subs sporting the "R" that looks so much like that of an acura integra type R are so popular with the rice crowd

[blue]

the type R subs have characteristics that make them have a very poor responce curve in both sealed and ported applications.
some people dont know good sound when they hear it and therefore dont realise how shitty these subs really sound.
unfortunatly people buy things that look good rather than sound good.
funny how the Type R subs sporting the "R" that looks so much like that of an acura integra type R are so popular with the rice crowd
ummm no, has nothing to do with the "R". Ive heard them and have heard that there good subs, so how about positive critisium(sp). So instead of saying they suck and have bad charactieristics, explain what the bad charactieristics are so i can look out for them in other subs.

[David]

I have Alpine R speakers in my car and they are the best sounding speakers in their price range IMO. And I have listened to various subs and I think that the type Rs have a very good sound to them. 99% of it comes down to personal preferance.

blue - you will usually find the best price for car audio stuff on ebay in the 'buy it now' auctions. Thats where I get my stuff anyways

[blue]

blue - you will usually find the best price for car audio stuff on ebay in the 'buy it now' auctions. Thats where I get my stuff anyways

yea i buy alot of stuff off there, but anything ive ever bought that has a warrenty, i can never get anyone to live up to it. But yea i was just wondering if anyone knew a local place to get them for cheaper than usuall. And thanks for the input on the speakers

[preludeshfan]

like i said a lot of people wouldnt know a good sounding sub if they heard one.

the typr R subs have a weak motor and a heavy cone.
a heavy cone works well in a small sealed box however your BL product needs to be higher (motor force) and as with any sub needs to be a relitivly flat BL curve.


a ported application works well with a lower BL product but also requires a low MMS (weight of diaphram and coil assembly)

the Type R subs posses none of these charasteristics. if you could see the responce curve of these subs you would laugh. as i said you probly havnt been exposed to a system that is properly tuned and computer aligned for optimal responce.
since i build all my boxes by computer modeling i can plot a responce curve along with any other configuration and you can plainly see where its shortcommings are.

i dont know if this will help you in the future but i can tell you that if you were into sub design and the latest technology or if you have ever had your own subs built to your specifications as i have you would be in a better position to know the difference between good and bad.
the problem is that most of the general consumers (you may be included) buy what other people say is good. and what has a good reputation.
however keep in mind that over the years it has been proven that looks sell over sound. people buy in fact with their eyes and not their ears.

let me give you a quick example
suppose you have 2 subs side by side for the same price. no salesman and no outside influence to make you buy 1 over the other.
speaker A has a large magnet, aluminum frame, aluminum cone fat rubber surround and looks beefy.
speaker B has a much smaller magnet, a stamped steel frame, a Pulp (paper) cone and a tall rolled foam surround.
which would you buy?
im sure your leaning towards A

now after you bought that sub and installed it and enjoying the heck out of it. feel like you really made a good choice.
then someone like myself comes along and explains that in fact speaker B was the better choice. the reason is that it has a Neodimimum magnet which is about 7 times more powerfull than ceramic and therefore smaller in diameter but actually has more BL product than the ceramic one your sub has.
also the pulp cone is actually 1/2 the weight of your aluminum cone and therefore 3 db more efficient and will handel transients better than your cone. also my sub has a larger voice coil and will handel 150 watts more than yours does. mine with the foam surround actually has more cone excursion also and more cone area.
also my sub was designed to be optimal in a ported enclosure verses your sub that was designed for a sealed box.

because my sub plays best in a ported box it also has 6 db more output in that application and plays from 27hz all the way to 100 hz almost perfectly flat where as your sub in the sealed application has a lot more distortion because without a port interacting inversly on the sub your sealed sub travels outside its xmax and becomes non linear at the same wattage as my ported sub.

i could go on but you get the basic idea of what i am saying. the point is to the uninformed you did in fact purchase a sub because of the way it looks and not the way it proforms. many others even thousands of people before you made the same decision for the same reason. a good portion of thoes people had good things to say about it because it did what they wanted, it pissed off the neighbors while playing rap music. not because it was a quality sub. you can make any sub pump out bass but its the sound quality and design that went into it that counts.

im not saying a type R wont make butt rumbling bass any sub will. but there is a lot more that goes into a quality sub that you cant see that matters. things that unless someone explained subwoofer theroy to you you certainly wouldnt understand. sound is a difficult thing to understand because you cant see it. and as simple as a sub is in construction it has limitations. limitations that if your not educated on the subject you cant possibly understand.
the other element i better not leave out is that this industry has become somewhat of a dissapointment. there are literally thousands of people who think they know audio because they have been installing, selling or marketing it for years and years. the problem is finding people that actually understand the physics behind it and can explain it with math. calculations and reality.

one of my favorite example is RCA cable. you ever seen thoes moster cables that run like 80 bucks a peice because they are triple shielded, oxygen free, gold plated ect... its all crap. the fact is the signal is so small that runs through thoes cables a simple 6 dollar radio shack cable will do just as good.
so why does monster keep selling so much cable? because there are literally thousands and thousands of brainwashed people out there in the public buying this crap every day that have never had a single electronics class and have no understanding of electronics theroy.
again they buy with their eyes, not with facts.

so all i can say is if you only knew what i know and have studied you would be a better shopper, and a smarter consumer when it comes to electronics. if you ever have me do an install and spend a day in my garage you will learn a thing or 2 i promise.

[David]

Good post :)

What in your opinion are some good sub manufactures then?

[preludeshfan]

Good post :)

What in your opinion are some good sub manufactures then?

if i was building a system i would consider Eclipse, JL (not the W7), MTX 8500 and 9500 series.
i might have a longer list but i have been out of the scene for so long i really dont have info on anything new yet.
but Eclipse because i personally know the man who builds them and based on the fact i would consider him a genious in the business i would buy thoes just on that fact alone. he also makes lightning audio and a handfull of others.
some of his best technology and the latest Patented designs are in the eclipse subs.

MTX because based on their parameters it looks like a good sub and priced very good if you have connections like i do.
JL because their W6 and W3 subs work well in just about anything.

[blue]

damn that was very informative, thank you very much for taking the time to type that out. So if i were to get some subs and an amp would u be able to make me a box for the sub specs and what not

[Robert_K]

Just get some Jesen 15's w/ a Dr Crankenstein 1000w mono amp. J/K :lol:

[B20badboy]

if i was building a system i would consider Eclipse, JL (not the W7), MTX 8500 and 9500 series.
i might have a longer list but i have been out of the scene for so long i really dont have info on anything new yet.
but Eclipse because i personally know the man who builds them and based on the fact i would consider him a genious in the business i would buy thoes just on that fact alone. he also makes lightning audio and a handfull of others.
some of his best technology and the latest Patented designs are in the eclipse subs.

MTX because based on their parameters it looks like a good sub and priced very good if you have connections like i do.
JL because their W6 and W3 subs work well in just about anything.
Nice I am buying a directed 1100d amp and two JL w3's on a box Still have that 1400watt amp kit was wondering how much to install for me in my 98 passport and a time length would be nice as well. I am splitting out of town for now and was just wondering so maybe we could work it out when I get back.

[B20badboy]

i was wondering if anyone knew where i could get a good deal on a pair of 10 inch Alpine type R's?
Crappy auto sound told me they were the best subs out right now BWAHAHAHA FN loosers!

[preludeshfan]

damn that was very informative, thank you very much for taking the time to type that out. So if i were to get some subs and an amp would u be able to make me a box for the sub specs and what not

ive been building boxes for folks on this board for at least 4-5 years. i would be happy to hook you up. my prices are far cheaper than a shop will run you but i dont work for free either. and also i have equipment and resources at my disposal that even shops dont have.
i can usually get you a lot more bang for tyhe buck than anyone else.

[TINTEGRA96]

The new JLB Grand Touring Amp MONO is a really powerful amp and If i were you dont waste your money on alpines get the dub 1's or the eclipse titainums best subs you can buy.