View Full Version : RS vs. GS vs. LS
Beater114
03-02-2005, 10:16 PM
ok, im trying to figure out what engine to put in an eg, and i came upon the LS. its wasnt too bad, but noticed the low compression ratio, and heard it was great for boost. i was just searching around and found an RS and a GS. if lookin at swaps from a junkyard, and in case i dont see and LS, ill wait till i find one, unless there is any difference in engine, or are they all b18b's?
fantasya98
03-02-2005, 10:21 PM
they're all the same. ah ha, i got on it first!
Beater114
03-02-2005, 10:23 PM
ok, just checking
Weston
03-02-2005, 10:25 PM
Yup, RS/LS/GS/SE are all the same B18B engine. The GS-R has a different engine/tranny/ecu/tach, a front strut tower bar, and slightly larger sway bars. The Type-R is the only one that's really a big difference.
Beater114
03-02-2005, 10:26 PM
k, thanks, trying to find a cheap engine to pop in my eg hatch, lookin at a b18b or possibly an h22
GO WITH H22 IF YOU CAN THAT THING FEELS LIKE ITS BOOSTED NOT SURE HOW EASY INSTALL IS ....
Weston
03-02-2005, 11:01 PM
GO WITH H22 IF YOU CAN THAT THING FEELS LIKE ITS BOOSTED NOT SURE HOW EASY INSTALL IS ....
151 ft-lbs of torque doesn't even compare to boost.
http://maddox.xmission.com/keyboard4.jpg
Beater114
03-02-2005, 11:05 PM
what engine would u say is the best bang for the buck? i plan on turboing it so thats y i was lookin at the b18, but the h22s r pretty cheap for the initial power. any advice or opinions would be helpful.
Skaterkid
03-02-2005, 11:07 PM
GO WITH H22 IF YOU CAN THAT THING FEELS LIKE ITS BOOSTED NOT SURE HOW EASY INSTALL IS ....
3 grand for an H22 that has 200 hp, or 3 grand for a boosted LS that makes 250 hp. Hmmmm that's tough.
STIBungy
03-02-2005, 11:08 PM
Too bad keyboards dont come with a search button.
Weston
03-02-2005, 11:12 PM
A B18B is a basic engine that doesn't cost too much, isn't too hard to swap, is easy to find parts for, and works very well with boost.
Weston
03-02-2005, 11:18 PM
3 grand for an H22 that has 200 hp, or 3 grand for a boosted LS that makes 250 hp. Hmmmm that's tough.
Even if you set the LS set to low boost to only make 200 crank HP (it's very easy to achieve more), it will still have substantially more torque than the H22, and it will be lighter, so you can guess which one is faster. Not much compares to forced induction... it really opens the door to all kinds of power.
Beater114
03-04-2005, 10:43 AM
allright, i appreciate all of the info. whats a better idea, to buy a complete swap off of a website, or to go to a couple of junkyards to see if i can salvage one?
Mario
03-04-2005, 11:33 PM
Even if you set the LS set to low boost to only make 200 crank HP (it's very easy to achieve more), it will still have substantially more torque than the H22, and it will be lighter, so you can guess which one is faster. Not much compares to forced induction... it really opens the door to all kinds of power.
An h-series swap is only 20lbs extra, the motor is not that much heavier at all.
But I do agree - a turbo LS would rape an N/A h22a (fairly relative.. stock motors) at this altitude. Sea level would tell a totally different story.
Weston
03-04-2005, 11:52 PM
Not really... still 200 hp & 150 tq for the H22 vs 200 hp & ~190tq for the LS. But of course the turbo LS is going to easily make more... you'd have to run low boost to make only 200 crank hp.
ailachami
03-05-2005, 01:40 AM
h22 is the way to go if you're planning NA. I got mine for about 1500 and install it myself. You can find one for about 2000. i think someone was selling one for 1800 a couple months ago.
nxbrennan
03-07-2005, 10:10 AM
dont go for an h22. even if the weight difference is only 20 lbs like mario says, it'll probably substantially change your weight distibution/handling balance and the car won't be as good for auto-x and shite we'll probably want to do
Weston-work
03-07-2005, 12:10 PM
20lbs isn't really a big deal, but I'm sure the transmission weighs more too.
B20badboy
03-07-2005, 01:29 PM
I have a JDM H22a longblock for sale which is 220HP to the crank with the alternator, dizzy, shifter box / cables, wireharness asking $1600 get ahold of Ben and he can help you pick it up I am curently out of town but the motor is at my house.
B20badboy
03-07-2005, 01:30 PM
Sorry Ben is suavecito1177 on here.
Mario
03-07-2005, 02:13 PM
dont go for an h22. even if the weight difference is only 20 lbs like mario says, it'll probably substantially change your weight distibution/handling balance and the car won't be as good for auto-x and shite we'll probably want to do
20lbs up front? Move the battery to the back and you've just offset that weight.
Honestly dude, find some hard facts and don't listen to people here. Find the weight of an h22a + tranny, and find the weight of what you have now. You'll be more than surprised that the 'oh so heavy' h22a will hold up great if you have the correct suspension setup.
For anyone who argues with the weight issue... adding a turbo to the car increases your front-end weight anywhere from 30-40lbs. So stop the bullshit talking about how much heavier an h22a is.
Skaterkid
03-07-2005, 02:38 PM
35lbs with tranny is how much more an H22 weighs over a B series.
http://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=684550
B20badboy
03-07-2005, 05:20 PM
I was the originally selling for 1800 down to 1600 now
ailachami
03-07-2005, 08:27 PM
20lbs up front? Move the battery to the back and you've just offset that weight.
Honestly dude, find some hard facts and don't listen to people here. Find the weight of an h22a + tranny, and find the weight of what you have now. You'll be more than surprised that the 'oh so heavy' h22a will hold up great if you have the correct suspension setup.
For anyone who argues with the weight issue... adding a turbo to the car increases your front-end weight anywhere from 30-40lbs. So stop the bullshit talking about how much heavier an h22a is.
Im running the h22 setup and still have all my stock shocks and drop springs from the civic. i dont see any problem with understeering or whatever. it feels the same when i had the b16 in my car.
nxbrennan
03-07-2005, 10:38 PM
hey guess what, that was an opinion. i commented on it being heavier, because i'd personally prefer more of a 50/50 split, or even more in the back, and in addition to the static weight, its size would probably put more in front of the wheels. having a bunch of weight outside your wheelspan is one of the things i hear is a major detriment to handling, but since ailachami has experience with it and says otherwise, obviously the effect is minimal. im sorry it offends you that i didnt find the matter important enough to go do a full research project on the issue, but how about you quit whining.
ailachami
03-07-2005, 10:52 PM
I was the originally selling for 1800 down to 1600 now
you still have this motor for sale? i might know someone who is interested. is it complete? you still at the same place? Im the one that bought your cf hood.
B20badboy
03-08-2005, 06:41 AM
you still have this motor for sale? i might know someone who is interested. is it complete? you still at the same place? Im the one that bought your cf hood.
Yes I am still firm on the 1600 pm me or call me at 303.956.6821 if you would like to pick it up I have a friend local who would meet you and help you load it. I am curently 1800+ miles away
Conrad
03-08-2005, 09:20 AM
what H22 is it?
B20badboy
03-08-2005, 09:44 AM
what H22 is it?
The JDM longblock I have for sale.
Beater114
03-08-2005, 10:06 AM
ok....so how hard is the swap, obviously it requires aftermarket motormounts, what about the wiring harness, any modiifcation to it? if anyone has a quick summary of ther swap, it would be much appreciated.
B20badboy
03-08-2005, 01:13 PM
Do a search on Honda-tech.com for H22 swap info
vBulletin® v3.7.1, Copyright ©2000-2008, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.