Dilemna

[WyoTeg]

I have decided since the New Year to flip my life around and stop doing some of the things I do i.e. smoke. So I am going to have alot more pocket change and am going to be able to get serious with my car again. So here's what I have right now I have a 1990 Integra LS with an ITR motor in it. I am either going to keep the ITR and boost it, or sell the ITR and use the money to rebuild my LS motor and boost that. In terms of reliability and power which would you suggest?

[Conrad]

Boosting B18c5 = stupid

[oMekone]

swap some gsr or b16 cams in, good fuel managment and 7-8psi you should be ok on stock internals.

its cheeper to boost a ls as they can take higher psi in stock forum

[Dave_L]

Boost the LS. It responds better to boost and if you break it, its super cheap to fix.

[Conrad]

Not sure if a type r block has the oil squirters.... But take the head off and throw an LS head on it.

[Boston Racing]

Put the turbo in the Type-R, High compression turbo cars are the way to go in my opinion. They do have to be tuned right or they like to detonate. I remember seeing a car with 11.5 to 1 on 10 pounds and he was waxing guys with lower compression and alot more boost. There is a ton of ways to go fast, that is one.

[Dave_L]

I did know someone that turbo'd his type r. It was definetly a fast car and he was only running 7 lbs. That was before it was stolen. You could do it but your going to spend more and there will be less room for error with the turbo'd type r.

[WyoTeg]

Thank you all for all the info. Being a student I think letting the R go and fixing the LS for boost is the way to go.

[Mark_H]

I vote boost the C5, but I'm biased ofcourse. One my car when the motor was 100% stock, I made 282whp on 7.5-8psi untuned.
Mark

[WyoTeg]

Mine isn't a C5 BTW it is the B18C.

[WyoTeg]

The only reason I was clarifying that is I have been told(I never have checked) that the JDM ITR has a higher compression ratio making it much easier to detonate.

[Mark_H]

The only reason I was clarifying that is I have been told(I never have checked) that the JDM ITR has a higher compression ratio making it much easier to detonate.

Ohhh, ok. Yeah, the JDM ITR motor is slightly higher in compression then the USDM version. In which case, you would have to be slightly more careful with boost and you want to have it tuned right away.
Mark

[servion]

Not sure if a type r block has the oil squirters.... But take the head off and throw an LS head on it.

No way man, the head is the best thing about a type-r motor. See my post in the tech forum as to why LS's do not really respond better to boost.

The J-SPEC type-r motor is an awesome motor.... with proper tuning, that thing with a turbocharger would be a blast. The only quarrel I would have with that would be that the JSPEC type-r motor is such a good base to start an n/a build with. You could probably sell the type-r motor and get enough $$$ to build a turbo ls-vtec right there.

[WyoTeg]

I am sorry but if I sold the ITR there is no way I would build an LS/VTEC. I am a member of G2IC and there are about 1000000 reasons not to do LS/VTEC. Yes they make alot of power Brad Hopkins car is proof but he blows it up almost everytime her races. I am a student and as I said I need reliability. I am definately going to sell the ITR. I just don't know if I should put it on EBay.

[servion]

I am sorry but if I sold the ITR there is no way I would build an LS/VTEC. I am a member of G2IC and there are about 1000000 reasons not to do LS/VTEC. Yes they make alot of power Brad Hopkins car is proof but he blows it up almost everytime her races. I am a student and as I said I need reliability. I am definately going to sell the ITR. I just don't know if I should put it on EBay.

Brad Hopkins had other problems which causes his motor to pop, and it wasn't because it was an LS/VTEC (Brad is a very good friend of mine, we're actually in the same crew). He doesn't blow up every time he races either... although he did spin a bearing last season, it wasn't just because it was an LS/VTEC. LS/VTECs can be excellent and reliable it build properly. Anyway, that is just what I would do. Either way you go I'm sure you'll be happy with what you build.

Another idea: Keep the ITR motor and sell the integra. Get an '88 HF CRX (~1800lbs curb weight), drop it in there and haul ass!

[rmcdaniels]

Another idea: Keep the ITR motor and sell the integra. Get an '88 HF CRX (~1800lbs curb weight), drop it in there and haul ass!
I think that's the best idea, probably the cheapest and easiest too. Are ITR swaps still selling for crazy $? It would be fun to sell the ITR swap for $4000-5000, pick up a H22A swap for around $2000, get it bored/honed, 12:1 pistons, good N/A cams, and have a >200WHP N/A engine you could drop into a CRX or hatch shell. You just couldn't boost it, but with>200WHP in an 1800lb car you wouldn't have to. Plus you could put a big N2O shot on it for the drag strip, a guy here has a 100 shot on his and he says it's insane.

[Skaterkid]

I think that's the best idea, probably the cheapest and easiest too. Are ITR swaps still selling for crazy $? It would be fun to sell the ITR swap for $4000-5000, pick up a H22A swap for around $2000, get it bored/honed, 12:1 pistons, good N/A cams, and have a >200WHP N/A engine you could drop into a CRX or hatch shell. You just couldn't boost it, but with>200WHP in an 1800lb car you wouldn't have to. Plus you could put a big N2O shot on it for the drag strip, a guy here has a 100 shot on his and he says it's insane.
Or you could just buy an blown LS for cheap, build it up and run huge boost in the Teg...I mean R swaps get you so much money, there's a bunch of different routes he could go. I support boosted motor in a CRX though. They're fun!

[WyoTeg]

I don't want to take the CRX route because I love the Teg. I have been talking to a kid that wants it he doesn't have green though. He wants to do a trade, he has a built LS head(which would be ok because I think that is all that is fucked up on my old LS) and he has a turbo kit with a T28 thrust bearing turbo. I really know nothing about what the T28 is and how much boost it could push at all. I am thinking that I am getting screwed on that deal though because I could probably sell the ITR for close to 4500 and I don't think the kit and the head are worth that much.

[Skaterkid]

Yeah, a T28's a great turbo for up 250-270 hp depending on the trim, but won't go much higher than that. Sell the swap, its worth more than a head and a turbo.

[rmcdaniels]

A used T28 is worth a few hundred bucks in good shape. If you're not going to work with the ITR engine, I'd sell it, people pay big bucks for them. For $4000-5000 you can build a pretty mean LS setup, sleeved, bored, pistons, rods, turbo, etc.

[WyoTeg]

Ya that was the plan rmcdaniels. I just don't know where to sell it or anything. Thanks Skaterkid 250-270 definately is not where I want to be I want closer to the 300-350 range. Where would you guys suggest selling it? Ebay is my last resort I see alot of people get jewed(I am not an antiseminist) on there.

[rmcdaniels]

I've had good luck with ebay, just set a good reserve and write a good description with lots of pics.