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Number Two
11-27-2004, 04:11 AM
So i was cruising in arvada, going home at about 3:00am tonight, and i was pulling off 64th onto my st. when a wrx sti pulled out of the gas station and got quickly on my tail. I turned right and got in the left lane, waiting for him to encroach. Going about 30 in second gear, I said "F*K it" and floored it, I saw the STI do the same. I kept it going, and threw it into 3rd as quick as my little hands can go, expecting his machine to blow by me any second. As I hit 100, I looked in my rear view, and he was still the same distance behind me, (about 3 cars). I couldn't believe it. I hit the brakes, and he did so also. So I turned into the next parking lot, and low and behold, it's one of my good buddies in his 1 month old STI. The first question he asked was, "how much boost are you running?!?" I told him the stock 5.5lbs it came with. I said, "Could you keep up with me?" and he said "I kept up with you, but you weren't pulling on me." I didn't want to brag about it anymore, and instead I just asked him how and when he got his new car. It IS a sweet car. Even thought it was a tie race, his car still is way nicer than mine. Then he points at my hood and says "dude, you're smoking." Sure enough, my car was overheating. "That's why I got a new car," he said ...."W-a-r-r-a-n-t-y". I felt damn pround of my little 4 banger. I just wish it ran perfect. :(


BTW: His car was a stock STI, my car is a 95 civic with stock D16, and greddy turbo with 5.5lbs and exhaust.

stu
11-27-2004, 07:33 AM
I don't see a D16 coming any where close to holding off an STi. Maybe your friend just needs to learn how to drive better still or something.

P.S. STis are four cylinders as well.

HONDA GHANDI
11-27-2004, 10:20 AM
100 mph on 64th? What a retard.

rmcdaniels
11-27-2004, 10:31 AM
This is a guy who boosted his car, then cracked the electrodes off of his plugs, so he replaced the plugs and boosted it until smoke came out of it. I don't think he'll be going 100 MPH for long.

taikahn
11-27-2004, 10:44 AM
lol, another awesome "owned" story ... as if.

David
11-27-2004, 10:52 AM
I wish my car could beat an STI too, but its just not gonna happen

rmcdaniels
11-27-2004, 11:18 AM
I saw a D16 hatch with a homemade turbo last night that was running 13.3-13.2 consistently. I'd put that up against a STI.

David
11-27-2004, 11:24 AM
but I doubt he was running 5.5 psi on a greddy kit

d16 is the coolest honda engine BTW ;)

taikahn
11-27-2004, 12:07 PM
I saw a D16 hatch with a homemade turbo last night that was running 13.3-13.2 consistently. I'd put that up against a STI.

Wow. Not up here... but wow.

Tai

rmcdaniels
11-27-2004, 01:18 PM
You should have seen the K20 swap, 500WHP with a SC61, running 11.5's, daily driver. His clutch was slipping badly though, probably low 11's there with a good clutch.

David
11-27-2004, 02:51 PM
thats crazy...Now I need to build a 500whp d-series to be cool :cry:

s1ngle
12-05-2004, 10:47 PM
i'm sorry, i dont really believe this. I ran RabidSTi and i'm running a D16y8 on 8 lbs and he owns me. granted he has mods, but even before mods he owned me.

STIBungy
12-05-2004, 10:49 PM
I'll run you. :D

celica man
12-06-2004, 08:29 AM
does you civic have a red front bumper?

floored4door
12-06-2004, 09:48 AM
What Color is your car? It isn't primer grey with LED M3 style mirrors is it?

slor22
12-06-2004, 11:03 AM
brand new 1 month old STI, putting the pedal to the metal already... not a smart idea

Skaterkid
12-06-2004, 11:07 AM
Why exactly? There is no accelerated wear on the engine because you floor it 1 month old in comparison to 12 or 24 months old.

V13T
12-06-2004, 11:42 AM
I thought some people said running your car hard is the better way to break it in...?
*edit for typo*

stu
12-06-2004, 12:26 PM
From what I understand, it takes about an hours worth of driving (in a certain way) to set your rings.

gjcivic
12-06-2004, 08:35 PM
sorry, but your friend is stroking you or doesn't know how to drive... at 5.5 PSI your maybe a low 15 second car (BIG maybe)... not bagging, just warning you incase your "friend" tries to talk you into racing for some cash.....

STIBungy
12-06-2004, 09:44 PM
Low 15 is too optimistic, IMO. Stock ones run 18s, 17.5 at best? At 5.5psi, I would say high 15s.

Diaper Rash, what boost are you running and what's your best time?

sorry, but your friend is stroking you or doesn't know how to drive... at 5.5 PSI your maybe a low 15 second car (BIG maybe)... not bagging, just warning you incase your "friend" tries to talk you into racing for some cash.....

floored4door
12-07-2004, 11:52 AM
I still want to know what this car looks like. I might have raced this guy.

s1ngle
12-07-2004, 05:06 PM
Low 15 is too optimistic, IMO. Stock ones run 18s, 17.5 at best? At 5.5psi, I would say high 15s.

Diaper Rash, what boost are you running and what's your best time?

maybe up here, but at lower altitude you can get bolton D16's to high 15's, but few get there, most get low 16's.

but i have to agree, mid to high 15's, at lower altitude. again, i dont know what it would be up here.

David
12-07-2004, 05:11 PM
Low 15 is too optimistic, IMO. Stock ones run 18s, 17.5 at best? At 5.5psi, I would say high 15s.

Diaper Rash, what boost are you running and what's your best time?
Mine ran a 14.9 at 97mph w/ 2.5 60' (im a shitty driver) Im running 8psi

turbomirage
12-07-2004, 06:54 PM
Marc from MAC ran a 14.0 @ 105 with a bad #3 spark plug. Full interior and stock wheels, tires and car seat in back. Then again it made 312 hp and 305 ft/lbs @ 17 psi.

gjcivic
12-07-2004, 07:20 PM
Like I said "VERY optomistic"... at 5.5-6 PSI I couldn't get any better then 15.7, bu that is with a full interior, A/C, and a bit of bump in the trunk.....lighter, maybe a little faster, but I don't consider myself a very good Drag Racer... (total of maybe 10 runs...)

STIBungy
12-07-2004, 07:21 PM
Told you to dump that body the night before. :rolleyes:

Like I said "VERY optomistic"... at 5.5-6 PSI I couldn't get any better then 15.7, bu that is with a full interior, A/C, and a bit of bump in the trunk.....lighter, maybe a little faster, but I don't consider myself a very good Drag Racer... (total of maybe 10 runs...)

saabracr
12-07-2004, 08:38 PM
Marc from MAC ran a 14.0 @ 105 with a bad #3 spark plug. Full interior and stock wheels, tires and car seat in back. Then again it made 312 hp and 305 ft/lbs @ 17 psi.

That car pulls hard. I was very impressed.

floored4door
12-08-2004, 11:02 AM
Is SaabRacr Nick from Mac? Or someone else?

STIBungy
12-08-2004, 11:14 AM
Somebody else. His name is Andy.

floored4door
12-08-2004, 12:21 PM
Cool just checking.

saabracr
12-08-2004, 12:29 PM
I'll just check your mother.

Nick's car is fast as shit too. As soon as I get my turbo rebuilt mine should be in that range.

floored4door
12-08-2004, 02:15 PM
I lost my mother in August of '01 to cancer. I bet you won't be doing that. :fu:

Yeah I heard his shit is fast. Haven't had a chance to ride in it tho.

gjcivic
12-08-2004, 08:53 PM
Told you to dump that body the night before. :rolleyes:

yeah, well, I am italiano..... not 100%, or I'd be driving an IROC :)

slor22
12-09-2004, 08:59 AM
Why exactly? There is no accelerated wear on the engine because you floor it 1 month old in comparison to 12 or 24 months old.

Ouoted from Auto Maintenance an Tunning:

"The break-in procedure is typically outlined in your car manual. Most suggest coming in at 500-1000 miles for your first oil change, and then again at 3000 miles. Up until 3000-5000 miles, you are to keep driving gently, not revving the car, not dumping the clutch, not braking too hard, and so on and so forth".

enough said...

Skaterkid
12-09-2004, 09:35 AM
Ouoted from Auto Maintenance an Tunning:

"The break-in procedure is typically outlined in your car manual. Most suggest coming in at 500-1000 miles for your first oil change, and then again at 3000 miles. Up until 3000-5000 miles, you are to keep driving gently, not revving the car, not dumping the clutch, not braking too hard, and so on and so forth".

enough said...
Okay, you can follow those procedures. Too bad the engine has already seen a break in run on the dyno at the factory from zero to the redline for 10 min to check for problems. I'll change my oil early, but there's no need to drive it gently.

Dustin
12-09-2004, 09:45 AM
Ouoted from Auto Maintenance an Tunning:

"The break-in procedure is typically outlined in your car manual. Most suggest coming in at 500-1000 miles for your first oil change, and then again at 3000 miles. Up until 3000-5000 miles, you are to keep driving gently, not revving the car, not dumping the clutch, not braking too hard, and so on and so forth".

enough said...

haahahah, don't brake to hard you might hurt yer pistons.

slor22
12-09-2004, 01:09 PM
Okay, you can follow those procedures. Too bad the engine has already seen a break in run on the dyno at the factory from zero to the redline for 10 min to check for problems. I'll change my oil early, but there's no need to drive it gently.

Yeah, if I drove a Geo Metro or what ever it is you drive, I'de probably do the same as you. Geoooooooo Power

Skaterkid
12-09-2004, 01:19 PM
Well, when you actually learn the science behind engines and stop believing what a manual tells you and figure out whats really going on I'll applaud you. Manufacturers reccomend that to cover their asses. If somethings going to break, might as well be during the warranty and the earlier you find out.

And I see that you have no evidence to disprove me so you make an attack on my car (hell you didn't even get that right) instead of finding some proof.

stu
12-09-2004, 01:21 PM
Yeah, if I drove a Geo Metro or what ever it is you drive, I'de probably do the same as you. Geoooooooo Power

His car is probably faster than yours anyway. The problem here is that you are citing sources that were created for the general public, not for people who know about cars. Every company will tell you to be careful with their product, because they want to reduce the risk of failure so they don't look bad, this is just common sense.

Dustin
12-09-2004, 01:23 PM
slor22 just got stuowned

rmcdaniels
12-09-2004, 01:35 PM
Yeah, if I drove a Geo Metro or what ever it is you drive, I'de probably do the same as you. Geoooooooo Power
You don't know what you are talking about. Other than reading that one book about engine break-in, how many different break-in methodologies have you looked at with regards to their merits/weaknesses? How many engines have you broken in with different methods (new cars don't count, they have already been run, only brand new engines count) and what were your results? I have examined and used a couple of methods on a number of different engines, others on this board have significantly more experience. Perhaps if you would listen and keep an open mind you would learn something.

rmcdaniels
12-09-2004, 01:37 PM
Damn, I typed too slow, gotta be quick around here.

rmcdaniels
12-09-2004, 01:46 PM
Every company will tell you to be careful with their product, because they want to reduce the risk of failure so they don't look bad, this is just common sense.
Plus I bet car companies aren't too interested in your car having the best possible performance and lasting as long as possible, pretty much if it runs okay until the warranty runs out they are happy.

slor22
12-09-2004, 02:00 PM
Plus I bet car companies aren't too interested in your car having the best possible performance and lasting as long as possible, pretty much if it runs okay until the warranty runs out they are happy.

hahhahahaha, did i just hear you say that. you just made a total fool of yourself. first off, a new cars performance and reliability in the years to come, is the number one priority. why do you think they spend multi-millions on R&D. to be successfull in the automotive industry, it takes more then cheating your customers untill the end of the warranty. Its about providing a life long quality product, to retain customers. and we all know that with any business, retaining customers is the key to generates the most profitable revenue. let me guess, your probably just a high school kid huh??? stay in school.

slor22
12-09-2004, 02:02 PM
His car is probably faster than yours anyway. The problem here is that you are citing sources that were created for the general public, not for people who know about cars. Every company will tell you to be careful with their product, because they want to reduce the risk of failure so they don't look bad, this is just common sense.

if you take the time to read the "official authentic written by the engineers that designed the car Manual," you'll also see that they agree with the automotive and tunning quote. oh let me guess, your a rebel and like to do whatever that brain of your tells you instead of listening to Engineers. you always talk so big. why don't you put $200 on your buddies geo against my H22a-R Civic Hatch. anytime, since we all live in the same states. or else, shut that hole in your mouth if it doest involve you...

Skaterkid
12-09-2004, 02:03 PM
Ahaha! rmcdaniels is about the farthest from high school and has a way more badass Civic than you. Not only that, but he's probably the most creative guy on here for mods. Go back to your "265 hp Civic". If your profile's right, you aren't too bright of an engineer.

And Stu's car would kick the tail of a little NA hatch. His car made 277 whp, not crank, which is 60 more hp than what you posted for that weak little hatch. And child, I don't street race for money. My names not Brian Spilner, and I don't live my life a 1/4 mile at a time.

slor22
12-09-2004, 02:09 PM
Ahaha! rmcdaniels is about the farthest from high school and has a way more badass Civic than you. Not only that, but he's probably the most creative guy on here for mods. Go back to your "265 hp Civic". If your profile's right, you aren't too bright of an engineer.

And Stu's car would kick the tail of a little NA hatch. His car made 277 whp, not crank, which is 60 more hp than what you posted for that weak little hatch.

yeah, i would have to agree that he would smoke me since he has Subaru's most prestigious car, the almighty WRX STI. i don't stand a chance against him at this altitude. but back to the topic, your little geo metro.

Skaterkid
12-09-2004, 02:13 PM
You don't pay much attention do you? Stu had a DA Integra with a turbo on the stock engine. The fact that you blew when you could've had an LS turbo for much cheaper shows the brains you have. Keep it on the streets son, I'll laugh when you wreck.

slor22
12-09-2004, 02:18 PM
you name one person in the world that knows anything about Hondas, that would "honestly" take a Common LS integra (140hp) motor over a Limited Edition Prelude Type S (220hp)? if you can, then i'll step down.

Skaterkid
12-09-2004, 02:20 PM
I would. Boost would put me way over you for the same cost as the overpriced H22.

slor22
12-09-2004, 02:22 PM
thank you. you just answered your own question on how smart you are. im done here...

Dustin
12-09-2004, 02:29 PM
yeah, i would have to agree that he would smoke me since he has Subaru's most prestigious car, the almighty WRX STI. i don't stand a chance against him at this altitude. but back to the topic, your little geo metro.

What the fuck are you talking about?

rmcdaniels
12-09-2004, 02:32 PM
hahhahahaha, did i just hear you say that. you just made a total fool of yourself. first off, a new cars performance and reliability in the years to come, is the number one priority. why do you think they spend multi-millions on R&D. to be successfull in the automotive industry, it takes more then cheating your customers untill the end of the warranty. Its about providing a life long quality product, to retain customers. and we all know that with any business, retaining customers is the key to generates the most profitable revenue. let me guess, your probably just a high school kid huh??? stay in school.Guess you haven't studied up up the automotive industry's initial reception of Deming's TQM methodology, or MacArthur's implementation of the TQM methodology during his post-WW2 industrial reconstruction efforts, leading directly to the subsequent Japanese dominance of the automotive industry. It's no accident Toyota City, Japan, replaced Detroit, Michigan as the car capital of the world. You probably haven't read the case studies of the long-term effect of variances in tolerances in transmission gear assemblies directly resulting from automotive manufacturers executive decisions regarding cost/quality either. I'd say you definitely have not read the transcripts from the government hearings over Ford's secret "Planned Obsolescense" program. I graduated from high school over twenty years ago, and have been to college for business, worked for businesses, founded, run, and sold businesses for some time now. Currently I do pre-sales consulting and solutions architecture for an international network integration company. Maybe if you were a bit more experienced, then you would understand that customer satisfaction is far from the primary concern of businesses. If that were true, then the primary metric that my commissions and bonuses would be derived from would be my customer satisfaction index. You can always tell what's important to a company by looking at what they pay for, and my bonuses, along with those of every other person at this company and every other company I have ever worked for are tied to gross profit and/or revenue goals. My customer satisfaction index has no bearing on my pay, and is used primarily as a tool to justify downsizing if times get rough. I've seen one other company (Cisco) that tried tying primary commissions and bonuses to cust. sat. index numbers, and it was a bad move, their top salespeople left in droves. It's far easier to sell crappy products with good advertising, big sales bonuses, and financing or leasing subsidies than it is to sell high quality products for what they are worth, otherwise more people would buy V1's than buy Beltronics, but it ain't happening. After you finish reading books on business and go out and work at all levels of different businesses for 10-20 years, then maybe you will understand what really drives business, as opposed to believing that quality really is job 1. :rolleyes:

P.S. - I guess Ford moved engine production to Mexico because Mexican workers produced higher quality products, not because they worked for 1/10 of what US auto workers worked for, had no health care requirements, no EPA requirements, no OSHA requirements, no protective labor laws, and were only allowed to join unions that Ford and the Mexican government jointly rubber-stamped.

rmcdaniels
12-09-2004, 02:47 PM
you name one person in the world that knows anything about Hondas, that would "honestly" take a Common LS integra (140hp) motor over a Limited Edition Prelude Type S (220hp)? if you can, then i'll step down.
Why do you list stock HP numbers? If I wasn't allowed to modify them, then sure. But I can't put good forged pistons in a H22 without sleeving it due to the fact that it has Nickasil sleeves, so all I gotta do is pop some forged 8-9:1 pistons in my LS engine, replace the rods while I'm at it (that's just a few hundred worth of parts), then boost the crap out of it and spank the expensive H22 engine all day long. It's got a great R/S ratio for making lots of torque, and they are cheap as hell.

P.S. - there are a few other things involved, but it's still way cheaper to get a fast LS engine in my car than an expensive (and slower) H22. H22 is good for NA, though, if I had some aversion to boost I'd consider it. Personally I'd pick a B16 over either of them, which is what I did, but I wouldn't expect you to understand why.

Skaterkid
12-09-2004, 04:00 PM
I don't care what you think of me. Your ignorant comments have proven how stupid you are. Have fun street ricing in Westminister.

slor22
12-09-2004, 04:08 PM
Why do you list stock HP numbers? If I wasn't allowed to modify them, then sure. But I can't put good forged pistons in a H22 without sleeving it due to the fact that it has Nickasil sleeves, so all I gotta do is pop some forged 8-9:1 pistons in my LS engine, replace the rods while I'm at it (that's just a few hundred worth of parts), then boost the crap out of it and spank the expensive H22 engine all day long. It's got a great R/S ratio for making lots of torque, and they are cheap as hell.

P.S. - there are a few other things involved, but it's still way cheaper to get a fast LS engine in my car than an expensive (and slower) H22. H22 is good for NA, though, if I had some aversion to boost I'd consider it. Personally I'd pick a B16 over either of them, which is what I did, but I wouldn't expect you to understand why.

Okay, so you make a valid point in terms of how the business industry runs, and i respect your much for you knowledge. The bottom line is, I'm not in school for business, so there's no way I'm going to debate this topic with a business major. Im studing Electrical Engineering with a Computer Programming minor, so if you want to argue about the Computer Science field, I'm more then happy.

So lets get back to the topic of the matter. The truth is, any motor can be made fast. But lets take a look at the Import Scene for a second. Whats the most demanded parts in the United States right now? I'm sure we, can all agree that JDM parts dominate the market. Why? Well, it's not that JDM parts are so much more superior. Skunk2, DC Sports, AEM, have all proven that they all can product just as good of a product for a fraction for the price. The main reason is because the scarcity of the parts. The new K20a(R) engines were a gift to the import market, and currently the most demanded motor in the United States. That complete motor swap is a $8000 investment a the moment. If you think about it, thats out of control. Sure, it's possible to make a D16, B18c1, B20/Vtech just as fast, but you'll never recieve the same amount of respect or attention from people for having something so rare and so coveted. If thats not what your after, then I'm sure everything I just stated made no sense to you. As for me, the H22a-R (prelude typ S) motor i purchased ment a lot more to me then just 220hp and 163ft/torque.

PS: oh yeah, the "fastest" honda in the world (steph AEM civic), runs the TWENTY-TWO motor, not the LS. :fu:

Skaterkid
12-09-2004, 04:31 PM
Steph has lots of money. I don't. If I want to go fast, I'll buy a DA Teg and boost the engine/ In about a year or so, the big dogs will run a K24 with the K20 head because its way better than the H in anything.

Most of the ricers I know covet the H, those who race covet the K.

rmcdaniels
12-09-2004, 05:00 PM
Actually I'm an consulting engineer, but I went back to school and took some business courses when I was looking at getting into management. Turns out I like consulting better than managing.

As far as having the best engine, I think you need to take dollars into account. I know a guy with an H22a swap -w- pistons/rods/cams that makes well over 200WHP before he sprays, but he still isn't outrunning my little B16 in my overweight '99 coupe. Same for a couple of K20 swaps I've seen, although I know a guy with a K20 swap that he runs 25PSI on that makes 500WHP that's got me by a bit, but my launch sucks (I'm getting 2.3s 60' times with 24.5x8 Hoosiers), so hopefully as I become a better driver I will shave that gap down, plus I have a feeling that my engine will last longer. If money were no object, I'd have a K20 over a Dart block B20 VTEC over a H22, but money is definitely an object. As far as respect and attention, I get plenty of respect and attention after I spank a few Cobras, SC'd F-bodys, and spraying Corvettes at the track. That's not to say I always beat them, but even if I'm a couple tenths behind a Z06 and trapping 120, I still get respect, even from the Z06 driver. I'm probably just a little too old to go for the JDM street cred angle, I'd rather be fast than cool, plus I'm probably too old to know what cool is anymore, although everyone at the local meets and events here is like 18-22 and I don't have any problems getting along, although I'm sure they think I am some kind of geezer. There is quite a crowd when I pop the hood though, my setup is better than most around here, it's nice having a grown-up job with real paychecks.

HondasTrail
12-09-2004, 05:09 PM
hahhahahaha, did i just hear you say that. you just made a total fool of yourself. first off, a new cars performance and reliability in the years to come, is the number one priority. why do you think they spend multi-millions on R&D. to be successfull in the automotive industry, it takes more then cheating your customers untill the end of the warranty. Its about providing a life long quality product, to retain customers. and we all know that with any business, retaining customers is the key to generates the most profitable revenue. let me guess, your probably just a high school kid huh??? stay in school.


You're the automotive industries best tool. You listen and believe every word they say as if it came from the bible. Hell, I'm willing to bet that if they told you to bend down and give them head; you would follow suit because you believe automotive industries are god. You are a retard trapped in a n00bs body. Now stfu and get off my board n00btard. Oh yea go back to school cause it looks like someone only got a Good Enough Degree.

STIBungy
12-09-2004, 05:27 PM
Stu's car wooped on me. :cry:

You don't pay much attention do you? Stu had a DA Integra with a turbo on the stock engine. The fact that you blew when you could've had an LS turbo for much cheaper shows the brains you have. Keep it on the streets son, I'll laugh when you wreck.

gjcivic
12-09-2004, 07:56 PM
wow.....wow....wow....

oh, forgot to add

FUCK STREET CRED

all street cred will get you is ripped of by some jealus ass fuck theif.

I'd rather enjoy driving my car all by my lonesome then pop the hood for people to admire... who gives a fuck what any of them think? Better go get some vinyl, a B-52 Wing, and JDM body kit so you can get ALL the attention. Makes it better for us while your showing of your shit to a cop that doesn't give a shit cause he pulled you over for standing out. Thanks for taking the attention away from me so I can cruise on by....

you, obviously, haven't been out of school very long...

InRox01
12-09-2004, 09:10 PM
hahhahahaha, did i just hear you say that. you just made a total fool of yourself. first off, a new cars performance and reliability in the years to come, is the number one priority. why do you think they spend multi-millions on R&D. to be successfull in the automotive industry, it takes more then cheating your customers untill the end of the warranty. Its about providing a life long quality product, to retain customers. and we all know that with any business, retaining customers is the key to generates the most profitable revenue. let me guess, your probably just a high school kid huh??? stay in school.
Well their r and d sucks.. My block in my car cracked a few months into the warranty.

slor22
12-10-2004, 09:24 AM
Actually I'm an consulting engineer, but I went back to school and took some business courses when I was looking at getting into management. Turns out I like consulting better than managing.

As far as having the best engine, I think you need to take dollars into account. I know a guy with an H22a swap -w- pistons/rods/cams that makes well over 200WHP before he sprays, but he still isn't outrunning my little B16 in my overweight '99 coupe. Same for a couple of K20 swaps I've seen, although I know a guy with a K20 swap that he runs 25PSI on that makes 500WHP that's got me by a bit, but my launch sucks (I'm getting 2.3s 60' times with 24.5x8 Hoosiers), so hopefully as I become a better driver I will shave that gap down, plus I have a feeling that my engine will last longer. If money were no object, I'd have a K20 over a Dart block B20 VTEC over a H22, but money is definitely an object. As far as respect and attention, I get plenty of respect and attention after I spank a few Cobras, SC'd F-bodys, and spraying Corvettes at the track. That's not to say I always beat them, but even if I'm a couple tenths behind a Z06 and trapping 120, I still get respect, even from the Z06 driver. I'm probably just a little too old to go for the JDM street cred angle, I'd rather be fast than cool, plus I'm probably too old to know what cool is anymore, although everyone at the local meets and events here is like 18-22 and I don't have any problems getting along, although I'm sure they think I am some kind of geezer. There is quite a crowd when I pop the hood though, my setup is better than most around here, it's nice having a grown-up job with real paychecks.

wow, that pretty impressive. its not everyday that you hear about a cobra killing civic si coupe. what kind of set up are you running, and were did you have it tunned?

rmcdaniels
12-10-2004, 10:55 AM
wow, that pretty impressive. its not everyday that you hear about a cobra killing civic si coupe. what kind of set up are you running, and were did you have it tunned?Been a while since I made a list, I'll try to remember it all:

84mm bored and Darton sleeved B16
Wiseco 8.4:1 pistons
Eagle rods -w- ARP studs/nuts
stock crank -w- ARP bolts
Lovefab SST manifold
GT28RS turbo
Lovefab SS 3" downpipe
Thermal Research 3" exhaust
RLZ Engineering fully ported head -w- Ferrea valves/springs/guides and ARP studs
Cometic MLS head gasket
RC750 injectors
AEM fuel rail
AEM fuel pressure regulator
AEBS intake manifold
Edelbrock 65mm throttle body
Hondata Intake manifold gasket
GM 3 BAR MAP sensor
Blitz DD BOV
TIAL 38mm wastegate
AEM EMS
AEM CDI
coil-on-plug 540,000 volt ignition (no more distributor)
AEM Uego wideband O2 sensor/controller
stock B16 transmission -w- Quaife LSD
ACT Chromoly Prolite flywheel
ACT Xtreme pressure plate
ACT 6-puck solid hub clutch disk
Z10 traction bars
front/rear/upper/lower strut braces/tie bars
Energy Suspension polyurethane engine mount inserts and full suspension bushing set
Omnipower camber-adjustable front upper control arms, running -.5 degree camber
Omnipower rear camber-adjustable suspension link, running -.5 degree camber
Skunk2 coilovers over Koni Yellows
Mugen 24mm rear anti-sway bar with Beaks kit and polyurethane bushings
homemade CAI -w- K&N filter
AEM Big Brakes -w- AEM ceramic pads
homemade 2.25" IC piping -w- appropriately sized (small) garage-made bar/plate intercooler
16" Rota Slipstreams
225/45 BFG KDW2 tires for street and autox, had to roll the fenders to fit them in
Hoosier 24.5x8 slicks on 13x7 Lensos for strip
B&M Pro-Edge short shifter
Energy Suspension polyurethane shifter bushings
probably more stuff, but it's been a couple years since I started it and I have had a lot of things on and off of it, so I'm not really sure any more

Tuned by Jason, I think he's jdogg on the EMS boards, certified AEM EMS tuner at Eurospeed Performance in Cary, NC on a Dyna-Pak dyno. Curerently running 20PSI, which falls off to 17 PSI at redline, probably due to running the GT28RS way off the right side of its map. Got a GM 3-way boost control solenoid wired in and installed, just not hooked up/configured yet, going to get speed-based boost control set up on it one of these days.

Don't have a copy of the latest dyno, but this one is close, clutch was slipping toward the top of the chart so I put the 6-puck in it, later dyno'd at 296TQ, 380HP. Best 1/4 is 12.69@119.8, that was in Georgia with BFG drag radials. Just got the slicks and haven't learned to use them yet, last time out ran a 12.8 on them, but that was a crappy night at the track and will get better, hoping to eventually get into the 11's with it'burnout:

http://rmcdaniels.home.mindspring.com/images/dyno37.JPG

taikahn
12-10-2004, 10:59 AM
^ most impressive.

stu
12-10-2004, 11:35 AM
hahhahahaha, did i just hear you say that. you just made a total fool of yourself. first off, a new cars performance and reliability in the years to come, is the number one priority. why do you think they spend multi-millions on R&D. to be successfull in the automotive industry, it takes more then cheating your customers untill the end of the warranty. Its about providing a life long quality product, to retain customers. and we all know that with any business, retaining customers is the key to generates the most profitable revenue. let me guess, your probably just a high school kid huh??? stay in school.


HAHAHAHAHAHAHA. I guess you've never been exposed to any domestic passenger and compact cars. Bigger displacement half-assed motors is what they have. Why? Because they can.

stu
12-10-2004, 12:07 PM
My car was right on par with what Cobras run up here and you're not swinging on my nuts.

Skaterkid
12-10-2004, 12:27 PM
That's because you have an STi ass ;)

stu
12-10-2004, 12:53 PM
Oh yeah, my bad.

slor22
12-10-2004, 01:54 PM
very very impressive RMCdaniels. i agree, with more track time, im sure 11s wont be a problem. your cars very capable. good luck, and keep up the good work.

Shakespeare
12-10-2004, 05:10 PM
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA. I guess you've never been exposed to any domestic passenger and compact cars. Bigger displacement half-assed motors is what they have. Why? Because they can.

Almost sounds like you'd diss my 1st car, a 1991 Pontiac Grand Am with a 110 hp 2.5L I4. It overheated and broke the wrist pin and sold it for $250. It had less than 100,000 miles on it.

stu
12-10-2004, 05:11 PM
Almost sounds like you'd diss my 1st car, a 1991 Pontiac Grand Am with a 110 hp 2.5L I4. It overheated and broke the wrist pin and sold it for $250. It had less than 100,000 miles on it.

Perfect example.

rmcdaniels
12-10-2004, 06:15 PM
very very impressive RMCdaniels. i agree, with more track time, im sure 11s wont be a problem. your cars very capable. good luck, and keep up the good work.
Thanks, let's hear the specs on that H22 swap.