All Lube / Performance

[ForceFedLS]

I went to this shop off mississippe & sheridan to get a routine oil change (yes i know how to change my own oil)

well about 1 hour later i come to pick up my car and come to find out that my front ground effect is crooked , cracked , and the paint is falling off. Theres also rubber chunks all over my front fenders!

i ask the only freakin mechanic there about what happened and he tells me this "What are you talking about...ur car came in that way"

by then im so mad i cant even see straight , i leave before i do anything stupid...

it looks to me like the fucker there took my car for a fucking joy ride

WHAT THE HELL CAN I DO ABOUT THIS!?!

[M&Ms]

Sorry that this is a first time post from me but I was looking through today and saw this. Was this like a little shop that had some performance guys sign underneath it? My older brother took us to a cruise in one night there and I didn't trust him for shit.

[MirageZ31]

Damn sucks to hear that

[STIBungy]

Set them up. Have someone with a car like yours take it in for an oil change. Tell them you'll be back in an hour to pick it up and video tape it from afar. Bust their ass.

[sbiggi]

You should have asked the mechanic which car was his. Walked out in the parking lot, and shit on his windshield. :guns:

-Seth

[HONDA GHANDI]

LOL seth.

Sorry to hear about your mishap. Some mechanics just ruin it for the rest of us. PM me if you ever want quality service and no Joyrides.

[RiceNmotioN]

this was today?....hmmm i quite yesturday

[HONDA GHANDI]

Was that GJ's Shop? I thought it was GN perf.?

[RiceNmotioN]

the real name is called....All Pro Lube and then G-N Street Performace

[myshtern]

Wow, he is really getting tons of respect from the local enthusiasts
Way to start up a shop

[Ashton]

it will be out of business soon at this rate... i feel sorry for his gf cuz this dudes gonna be broke.

[djet820]

Man that sucks

[ForceFedLS]

it will be out of business soon at this rate... i feel sorry for his gf cuz this dudes gonna be broke.


wait...you guys know this mechanic? has he screwed other people over too? we should boycott him!

[Blowncivic]

ohh im sure gj didnt do it he is a god i mean he is the only guy i know that can have a 1700hp truck that runs 14's id deff let him work on my fuckin car ;NutKick;

[Blowncivic]

i mean he states that he has experience from midas anybody thats down with the foreman is a friend of mine by the way i remember hearing that he blew up this kids talon because he didnt put the correct oil filter on it to handle the pressue for the turbo

[Blowncivic]

the mechanic that did that to your car was prolly just jealous that u had a faster ride then anybody at that shop.

[STIBungy]

WTF did you just say? Learn to use punctuations.

i mean he states that he has experience from midas anybody thats down with the foreman is a friend of mine by the way i remember hearing that he blew up this kids talon because he didnt put the correct oil filter on it to handle the pressue for the turbo

[myshtern]

WTF did you just say? Learn to use punctuations.
:werd:

I got the ghist of what he was saying and I have heard a dozen different stories like that.

1700hp running 14s?
Was this while towing a house?

[Ashton]

ohh im sure gj didnt do it he is a god i mean he is the only guy i know that can have a 1700hp truck that runs 14's id deff let him work on my fuckin car ;NutKick;
you do know that your opinion holds pretty much no weight without identifying who you are or what not due to your post count being 1. well 3 now. but it sounds like you are trying to promote this place without a rep.

[stu]

ohh im sure gj didnt do it he is a god i mean he is the only guy i know that can have a 1700hp truck that runs 14's id deff let him work on my fuckin car ;NutKick;
He must fucking suck then.

[STIBungy]

This is the same place as that meet happening 11/21?

[Steve_C]

This is the same place as that meet happening 11/21?
yes yes. i guess they want to see what inventory is available.

and wtf are you doing surfing HAI? you suppose to be out macking on the fine asian females

[STIBungy]

STFU. Travelling solo sucks sometimes.

yes yes. i guess they want to see what inventory is available.

and wtf are you doing surfing HAI? you suppose to be out macking on the Nor Cal females

[Steve_C]

STFU. Travelling solo sucks sometimes.
it only sucks when you make the situation sucky. plenty of hotties, go eat pho/sushi and boba and make some new friends :D


and go to In & Out and down an 4x4 for me. hahaha

[ForceFedLS]

guys we need to do something about this mechanic if hes trashing cars

[HONDA GHANDI]

Coming on here isnt doing anything. Call him, call his boss, call the BBB. Thats how to get greivances solved. Bitching on the internet only hurts peoples feelings and causes more problems.

[RiceNmotioN]

tobi delete this

[HONDA GHANDI]

Ill give the guilty party a chance to reply. If not Ill lock it.

[RiceNmotioN]

ok

[Blowncivic]

WTF did you just say? Learn to use punctuations.


woah way to welcome a new member

[computingfuture]

woah way to welcome a new member


stfu n00b

[LeonZ]

stfu n00b

:rofl:

[myshtern]

:rofl:
Computingfuture's posts have gotten 10x better.
Hopefully Blowncivic will follow in his footsteps.

[STIBungy]

You should follow in his footsteps.

:rofl:
Computingfuture's posts have gotten 10x better.
Hopefully Blowncivic will follow in his footsteps.

[Skaterkid]

You should follow in his footsteps.
I like people who ask why you don't dump a clutch in the middle of a corner though

[chrisbarnett01]

File a complaint with the management, the BBB, etc.

Three tips:

If you have a modified car learn to change your own oil. It isn't hard.

Second, if you are going to take your car somewhere anyways, and the job is only going to take an hour, STAY there. Leaving is dumb, especially since most places have signs that say "not responsible for damage incurred in parking lot" or something similar.

Third, if you absolutely have to drop your car off and leave it unattended at a shop, WRITE DOWN THE ODOMETER reading. Take a photo, camera phones are good for this. If they put 50 miles on your car for an oil change, there is a BIG issue. Plus you'd have something resembling proof.

[rmcdaniels]

Currently there are two people in the world that I am comfortable with letting them work on my car. It's amazing the number of fuckups out there working on cars, people with no attention to detail and who frequently have no idea what they are doing, then want to charge me money for crappy results. Typically if I can do something myself, I will. That way at least I know that somebody who actually cares about doing a good job did the work.

[Dave_L]

File a complaint with the management, the BBB, etc.

Three tips:

If you have a modified car learn to change your own oil. It isn't hard.

Second, if you are going to take your car somewhere anyways, and the job is only going to take an hour, STAY there. Leaving is dumb, especially since most places have signs that say "not responsible for damage incurred in parking lot" or something similar.

Third, if you absolutely have to drop your car off and leave it unattended at a shop, WRITE DOWN THE ODOMETER reading. Take a photo, camera phones are good for this. If they put 50 miles on your car for an oil change, there is a BIG issue. Plus you'd have something resembling proof.
:werd:

[ForceFedLS]

look at my original post , jackass

[Dave_L]

look at my original post , jackass
I saw your original post. I was referring more to the second and third thing. Some times i just dont feel like changing my own oil and when i take it somewhere i sit somewhere where i can see the car the whole time to make sure they dont do anything to it.

[Steve_C]

Some times i just dont feel like changing my own oil and when i take it somewhere .
better not let the other bmw owners know that. :)

[HONDA GHANDI]

I know a few Bimmer owners that never lift a finger on their cars. And they prefer to keep it that way.

[Steve_C]

I know a few Bimmer owners that never lift a finger on their cars. And they prefer to keep it that way.
damn rich people. i was refering about the bmw owner who's car is no longer covered under warranty. called the dealership to find out they charge 98 bucks for a oil change.

spent 35 bucks (7 quarts full synthetic), plus 10 for filter. but since the filter housing is actually right next to the front of the engine and is easily accessible when you open the hood, it's not that bad.

[Ashton]

Not to sound stuck up but is it REALLY worth YOUR time to change the oil on your car? I have done it twice and that was on my accord... with the time i spend waiting around for all the oil to drain out bla bla bla and getting dirty ide much rather drink a cup of hot chocolate or make money fgs...... its only 30 bucks.

[Weston]

You can do it cheaper, better, and faster if you do it yourself. All you need is a decent floor jack, a creeper, a drain pan, and standard tools. It doesn't have to be messy.

[Skaterkid]

Not to sound stuck up but is it REALLY worth YOUR time to change the oil on your car? I have done it twice and that was on my accord... with the time i spend waiting around for all the oil to drain out bla bla bla and getting dirty ide much rather drink a cup of hot chocolate or make money fgs...... its only 30 bucks.
Take your skirt off and work on your car like a man.

[Steve_C]

Not to sound stuck up but is it REALLY worth YOUR time to change the oil on your car? ...... its only 30 bucks.

well if everyone was a big time realtor like yourself, then it wouldn't really be worth our time. but say the average joe get's paid 10 bucks an hour. parts for oil change is 15 bucks for regular oil. that's 15 bucks you save, or 1.5 hour of work.

also what was brought to the boards attention is this particular shop was charging for mobile synthetic, when they weren't even using it. changing it yourself gives you piece of mind that it was done correctly.

I have done it twice and that was on my accord... with the time i spend waiting around for all the oil to drain out bla bla bla and getting dirty ide much rather drink a cup of hot chocolate or make money fgs
it takes less then 5 minutes for the oil to drain, 20 minutes from start to finish at home. "i'd rather drink hot chocolate" :rolleyes:

[B20civic]

this thread is filled with douchebag shit talking n00bs

[forum]

You can do it cheaper, better, and faster if you do it yourself. All you need is a decent floor jack, a creeper, a drain pan, and standard tools. It doesn't have to be messy.
I think its about 10x easier with a lift, a drain pan meant for it, and a wrench is about all you need after that. I think it took me about 15 min while working on my brakes to change my oil today :)

[S15SiLVia]

Not to sound stuck up but is it REALLY worth YOUR time to change the oil on your car? I have done it twice and that was on my accord... with the time i spend waiting around for all the oil to drain out bla bla bla and getting dirty ide much rather drink a cup of hot chocolate or make money fgs...... its only 30 bucks.
you my friend are stupid..

[STIBungy]

In the GSR, I got down to 10 minutes, tops. The Civic, 15-20 minutes since the middle jackpoint is a bit offset and the car is so damn low. The STI takes me about 30 minutes since I have to undo the bolts and plastic keepers on underbody plastic cover.

Doing synthetic oil, it's well worth it than taking it in. $5 for a honda filter w/ new crush washer. $10 for a subaru filter w/ crush washer. and $20 for 5qts of Mobil 1 synthetic. The honda dealerships want around $50 for synthetic oil change.

IMO, well worth it going DIY.

[Ashton]

well if everyone was a big time realtor like yourself, then it wouldn't really be worth our time. but say the average joe get's paid 10 bucks an hour. parts for oil change is 15 bucks for regular oil. that's 15 bucks you save, or 1.5 hour of work.

also what was brought to the boards attention is this particular shop was charging for mobile synthetic, when they weren't even using it. changing it yourself gives you piece of mind that it was done correctly.


it takes less then 5 minutes for the oil to drain, 20 minutes from start to finish at home. "i'd rather drink hot chocolate" :rolleyes:
Im not a realtor.. I do new home sales. and Hot chocolate ownz joo.

[chrisbarnett01]

Rule #1. If changing your own oil is a pain in the ass, or a hassle, you are not a car guy. Quit pretending.

Changing oil isn't really fun, but it isn't a hassle either.

How can you be a car guy(or gal) and not like to work on your car? You can't have both.

Sure there are times when you can't do it yourself, but it needs to be done, so fine, take it somewhere. And people who live in apartment complexes have little choice.


FnF sure fucked up the car enthusast world.

5-6 years ago you never would of heard anyone who claimed to be a car enthusiast say they didn't like to change oil.

[djet820]

1 hour to drain, plug, refill? Wow....

[Steve_C]

Im not a realtor.. I do new home sales. and Hot chocolate ownz joo.
hot chocolate ownz
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choosing hot chocolate over working on your car and making sure everything is alright = gH3y



don't come crying on to the board if you take your accord or z to get simple shit such as oil changes, changing a flat, or pumping gas into your car. and having them rip you off for you supposed "synthetic oil". and then coming on here to ask what car should you buy in order to prep for le mans or NASCAR racing

[STIBungy]

There was probably a line.

1 hour to drain, plug, refill? Wow....

[Ashton]

So you're saying that you have to change your own oil to be a car enthusiast? HAH okay... tell that to every guy with a ferrari or lambo or any other nice car that doesnt want to do it... you dont have to change your own oil to be a car enthusiast shut up.

[rmcdaniels]

Mostly I want to do it because I want to make sure it's done right, right oil, right filter, drain plug not tightened with an impact wrench, etc. I've watched oil change place guys put non-synthetic in when I asked for synthetic, and then act like it's no big deal and tell me it's okay because they didn't charge me for the synthetic. I think to get a job changing oil you have to be not quite good enough to get a job changing bake pads or doing other auto-tech work, and most of the auto technicians I've seen I wouldn't trust to change brake pads because they just might fuck it up. If I had any level of assurance that the oil change guy actually gave a shit about doing a good job, then I might let somebody else change it, but I've got way too much time, money, and blood invested in my car to let some jackass get his hands on it and top off the crankcase with tranny fluid. My wife's car, on the other hand, I don't actually care too much about, so it gets a trip to Jiffy Lube every 3000 miles and seems to be no worse off for it.

[Ashton]

Mostly I want to do it because I want to make sure it's done right, right oil, right filter, drain plug not tightened with an impact wrench, etc. I've watched oil change place guys put non-synthetic in when I asked for synthetic, and then act like it's no big deal and tell me it's okay because they didn't charge me for the synthetic. I think to get a job changing oil you have to be not quite good enough to get a job changing bake pads or doing other auto-tech work, and most of the auto technicians I've seen I wouldn't trust to change brake pads because they just might fuck it up. If I had any level of assurance that the oil change guy actually gave a shit about doing a good job, then I might let somebody else change it, but I've got way too much time, money, and blood invested in my car to let some jackass get his hands on it and top off the crankcase with tranny fluid. My wife's car, on the other hand, I don't actually care too much about, so it gets a trip to Jiffy Lube every 3000 miles and seems to be no worse off for it.
If you're worried about who will be working on your car meet the technicians that will be working on it... When im at boulder nissan getting serviced I will sit down for a while make sure they get my car in and up on the lift. and then mosey into the shop and meet the guy whos workin on my car... Every time I have done this it has always been a older more experienced tech guy working on my car and not one of the young bucks that are doing the oil changes on the sentras and altimas.... perhaps its because of the car? I dont know. but i would meet the techs.

[Bedlam]

IMO, well worth it going DIY.

Sadly..I'm kinda with Ashton on this one..I'd just as soon take it somewhere and not have to deal with the bullshit of trying to change it myself. I live in an apartment complex..and dont have a garage, nor a decent place to work.

On the other hand..a certain roommate of mine insists on doing it himself..our parking area is now a ecological disaster, and there have been many times where there has been a container of used oil just sitting around for weeks.

Personally, its worth the money to just go and pay someone who has the resources to do it effectively to do it for me. If anyone says I'm not a car enthusiast because I dont change my own oil...well..I'll prolly do this to them. ;NutKick;

-Bedlam

[STIBungy]

Well, like Chris B. said, if you live in an apt complex, it's a different case.

Recycling used oil is a personal responsibility. I store mine in a container for a week or so at the most. But then again, I do have my own garage so it's not an eye sore for others.

If I used regular oil on all my cars, yes, I agree, I'd rather just take it to some place to get it changed. But because these places charge alot more for synthetic, I'd rather just do it myself to save the money.

Sadly..I'm kinda with Ashton on this one..I'd just as soon take it somewhere and not have to deal with the bullshit of trying to change it myself. I live in an apartment complex..and dont have a garage, nor a decent place to work.

On the other hand..a certain roommate of mine insists on doing it himself..our parking area is now a ecological disaster, and there have been many times where there has been a container of used oil just sitting around for weeks.

Personally, its worth the money to just go and pay someone who has the resources to do it effectively to do it for me. If anyone says I'm not a car enthusiast because I dont change my own oil...well..I'll prolly do this to them. ;NutKick;

-Bedlam

[2000SiVTEC]

I used to change my own oil all the time, but latlely I've decided its not worth my time. IT costs me ~20 bucks for the oil at wal-mart. and a $5-10 for a filter. Plus it takes up my time. So I decided I didnt feel like doing it anymore and just take it to the VW dealership and get it done for $29.00. I don't think this is even a matter of being a car guy or girl. Since its my daily driven car I really dont have a lot of time to deal with this kind of stuff, espcially between school, studying and work. Some people just flat out don't have time. Now if its on a car that is my "toy" then I will change my own oil and work on it, but not on my regular car.

If you are just having an oil change just hang out there, these days it rarely takes more than 30 minutes.

[rmcdaniels]

I put mine in milk jugs, then never get around to taking it in for disposal. I've got years worth of milk jugs full of used motor stored on a big shelf behind my house.

[myshtern]

I put mine in milk jugs, then never get around to taking it in for disposal. I've got years worth of milk jugs full of used motor stored on a big shelf behind my house.
Are you preparing for a bikini party where you will pour all the oil into a kiddie pool and watch beautiful women wrestle?

[MirageZ31]

Are you preparing for a bikini party where you will pour all the oil into a kiddie pool and watch beautiful women wrestle?
I want to watch!!!

[rmcdaniels]

Well, I got the used motor oil and the kiddie pool. Anyone know a bunch of bikini models than don't mind cancer?

[G-NPerformance]

No idea who you are but Why dont you snap a Pic of the reciept?? If your a so called customer.. There is no way I can joy ride your car seems I work alone and that would mean I left my building unattended... So how about that pic? then a pic of the body kit??? Man your a real shit talker and never been to my shop.. Thanks thouhg.. Why whoud I test drive your slow car anyway ??? O yah I dont even have a license nice one though. SO snap a pic of the reciept if you would

[Steve_C]

So you're saying that you have to change your own oil to be a car enthusiast? HAH okay... tell that to every guy with a ferrari or lambo or any other nice car that doesnt want to do it... you dont have to change your own oil to be a car enthusiast shut up.


i don't think lambo or ferrari owners get paid 10 bucks an hour, so paying for service on their cars is the least of their problems. and when did higher end dealers such as bmw, benz, porsche, and lambo make their customers pay for any service. they are car enthusiasts, but of a whole different caliber then you and your 350z.

the average joe get's paid 10 bucks an hour.

average joe does not mean ferrari/lambo owner.

sure, you don't have to change your own oil to be a car enthusiast. but if you have the means, such as a garage, a lift, tools, knowledge and the time, what's 20 minutes to you? if you got the means, but your either too lazy to do it, or just too lazy to learn how to do it. that's my definition of a poser. have fun looking hard standing next to your car

[stu]

O yah I dont even have a license nice one though.


Not the best at advertising are we?

[HONDA GHANDI]

and when did higher end dealers such as bmw, benz, porsche, and lambo make their customers pay for any service.


Uh since always. The only time services are free is when they are included in the warranty. And if you are making a payment on the car or paid for it at all then that money already came out of your pocket.

[G-NPerformance]

?? How does me having a license mean anything ? I dont need to test drive a car to know the issues. I great tech like myself can figure it out with just pulling the car in. And I dont care if the whole board hates my work becuase I know its A quality and I am one of the only shops with the shit I do.. O BTW I have just hired the ex head tech form Paragon for some tunning. O an when you build something compaired to this run your lips...
http://www.denverracing.com/~gj/hatch/hatchHUm%20001.jpg
http://www.denverracing.com/~gj/hatch/hatchHUm%20003.jpg

[G-NPerformance]

also had toby as a customer he had no issues some pics of the work
http://www.denverracing.com/~gj/toby/toby%20001.jpg
http://www.denverracing.com/~gj/toby/toby%20002.jpg
http://www.denverracing.com/~gj/toby/toby%20003.jpg
http://www.denverracing.com/~gj/toby/toby%20004.jpg

[HONDA GHANDI]

Yeah I heard you were out joy riding my trailer all around town. You evil bastard.

[G-NPerformance]

you shoulda seen it man, we were skiing off that shit... I think we even have a video. LMAO

[M&Ms]

?? How does me having a license mean anything ? I dont need to test drive a car to know the issues. I great tech like myself can figure it out with just pulling the car in. And I dont care if the whole board hates my work becuase I know its A quality and I am one of the only shops with the shit I do.. O BTW I have just hired the ex head tech form Paragon for some tunning. O an when you build something compaired to this run your lips...
]

Actually yes, you do have to drive the car to find problems because that is when the occur. You are obviously the kind of mechanic DADC always warned about, the kind that just looks at numbers and throws parts at cars until they run correctly. Your pictures prove that more then anything as I see the littany of bolt ons acting tantamount to actual thought.

[ForceFedLS]

Why whoud I test drive your slow car anyway ???

calling my car slow? so the exact same setup u have in that ugly ass turbo hatch of urs is slow too? wow....not only do u fuck up my car but then u go and prove yourself to be an idiot

P.S. I have informed the BBB about this mishap

[G-NPerformance]

calling my car slow? so the exact same setup u have in that ugly ass turbo hatch of urs is slow too? wow....not only do u fuck up my car but then u go and prove yourself to be an idiot

P.S. I have informed the BBB about this mishap

LOL post the reciept lol, and you dont have the same setup as me the studly.. And your car was never in my shop.. My shop for one is one Sheridan and Arizona. You also cant seem to show a recipet... Because we never worked on your car....Your a drama queen and someone should buy you a dress!

[G-NPerformance]

Actually yes, you do have to drive the car to find problems because that is when the occur. You are obviously the kind of mechanic DADC always warned about, the kind that just looks at numbers and throws parts at cars until they run correctly. Your pictures prove that more then anything as I see the littany of bolt ons acting tantamount to actual thought.

LOL man you got no clue when you wanna get schooled let me know. Driving the car is not needed. Being a professional I know how a car opperates and have never replaced a part not needed and I know what it is before I sell the job and too this day, been nothing but correct with my information. When you wanna talk cars let me know... My car has nothing bolt on.. You know nothing of the setup.But like the rest run the mouth of something you know nothing about

[G-NPerformance]

Im done posting on this Board.. You all can keep your business.. LOL I don't need it and I would rather not have it... Your all shit talkers and know nothing of me or my business.. Believe some fool that plays with his tool and can not show the reciept... kinda humoring to tell you the truth... Seems like someone is super jelious.. Enjoy

[MirageZ31]

Actually yes, you do have to drive the car to find problems because that is when the occur. You are obviously the kind of mechanic DADC always warned about, the kind that just looks at numbers and throws parts at cars until they run correctly. Your pictures prove that more then anything as I see the littany of bolt ons acting tantamount to actual thought.
I go to DADC. It seems like they talk about those kind of mechanics all the time.

[computingfuture]

Im done posting on this Board.. You all can keep your business.. LOL I don't need it and I would rather not have it... Your all shit talkers and know nothing of me or my business.. Believe some fool that plays with his tool and can not show the reciept... kinda humoring to tell you the truth... Seems like someone is super jelious.. Enjoy


sounds like some rip off merchant didnt issue a reciept. tax dodging too are we?

[RiceNmotioN]

holy tit theres drama here

[Ashton]

i don't think lambo or ferrari owners get paid 10 bucks an hour, so paying for service on their cars is the least of their problems. and when did higher end dealers such as bmw, benz, porsche, and lambo make their customers pay for any service. they are car enthusiasts, but of a whole different caliber then you and your 350z.



average joe does not mean ferrari/lambo owner.

sure, you don't have to change your own oil to be a car enthusiast. but if you have the means, such as a garage, a lift, tools, knowledge and the time, what's 20 minutes to you? if you got the means, but your either too lazy to do it, or just too lazy to learn how to do it. that's my definition of a poser. have fun looking hard standing next to your car
ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME? the ONLY time they dont charge for service is when you bought a extended service plan with those things included... which means you already BOUGHT itie PAID IN FULL . After your warranty runs out go over there and find out how much it costs =)

You seriously are a total fucktard. and my Z can trump on most of BMW's lineup.

[Weston]

What BMW lineup are we talking about here? Anything sporty in their current lineup isn't exactly slow.

[Ashton]

What BMW lineup are we talking about here? Anything sporty in their current lineup isn't exactly slow.
im just pointing out that other then the NEW E46 M5 or M3 i havent run across anything that can beat me otherwise?

[Bedlam]

LOL man you got no clue when you wanna get schooled let me know. Driving the car is not needed. Being a professional I know how a car opperates and have never replaced a part not needed and I know what it is before I sell the job and too this day, been nothing but correct with my information. When you wanna talk cars let me know... My car has nothing bolt on.. You know nothing of the setup.But like the rest run the mouth of something you know nothing about

I dont think it would be possible for someone that cant form (or type) a complete sentence or paragraph to school most of us. If you are really the shop owner, I'd think you'd at least TRY and present yourself as a professional. Regardless, I'm locking this on my way out..we dont need the drama.

-Bedlam