Car = Dead

[stu]

Okay, I'll post this just so Paul will stop bugging me about it. Tonight I went out of my way to follow this Eclipse. He went fast onto the highway just like I expected him too. I kept up with him, he was fast. Anyway, he asked what I had, I told him, then we went our way, only my car sounded a little wierd. So on the way home I kept tapping the throttle and listening to the motor. It sounded a little gurgly. Anyway, I get home and pop the hood and the breather was pretty much spewing oil vapor and it smelled pretty strongly like fuel. So my roommate and I came to the conclusion that the rings blew.

Anyone have a cheap motor for me? Or a car to trade my whole car for or something. I'll have to take the damn bus to school tomorrow. Shitty.

[Ashton]

Stu this is what parents are for borrow one of there cars.

[stu]

I don't live at home any more. Actually, I think I'll ride the bus to school, and since I live right by my parents, and work with them, I'll just have them take me to work until I figure something out. I guess I can drink a lot more now.

[MirageZ31]

Wow that sucks

[chris_venturini]

hehehehe, i wont say anything out of pity.

[stu]

Alex had a sweet deal on some Volvo that he had for sale, but I think it's sold by now.

[LeonZ]

Sorry stu :(

You can take the lightrail to school with me :)

[stu]

The lightrail doesn't go by my house. But that doesn't mean that I'll be voting for referandum 4A.

[Weston]

Shitty, but at least you got off with pretty mild damage. Just stick some new pistons and rings in there... I even have a set if you're really in a bind (you should get new rings though). It would be the perfect time to replace the headgasket and check your rod bearings too.

[stu]

I don't know what I'll do yet. You think it had anything to do with using the check valve? That thing really fucked up the drivability.

[Weston]

Why the hell did you use a check valve with that fuel setup? You're completely blinding the ECU when you really need to be manipulating it with the MAP signal. How long have you been using it?

[Bee18c]

bummer dude, let me know if I can help.

[stu]

Since the day I tuned it. It only messed up when I was in partial throttle boost. Full throttle it was fine.

[Kwando]

I have a goped you can buy stu

[nolimitsoldier]

That sucks man, sorry to hear that

[David]

hope you get it all worked out, let me know if you need any help (like a bare b16a2 block)

[Dave_L]

Sorry to hear that Stu. I know how you feel tho. At least you got your car home. The first time my motor blew it was on I-25 and Belleview. The second time it was on I-25 again, except this time it was just south of lincoln.

[myshtern]

Alex had a sweet deal on some Volvo that he had for sale, but I think it's sold by now.
Yeah, I think the guy sold it because he wouldnt respond to my emails.

Does the car still run?
Have you tested compression?
Have you considered a rebuild?

I'll look out for a car for you.
You might get more for your car if you sell the aftermarket parts.

[stu]

Yeah, I could probably afford a decent car if I parted my car out. Or at least afford a new motor with money left over. I'm not sure yet though.

[djet820]

Oh man...Now I'm scared.

[Mario]

Wow Stu, that really sucks... I swear it wasn't me. :)

I would do a cheap rebuild on it. :)

[saabracr]

How much vaccuum does it pull? Any significant loss since when you first had the gauge working?

I assumed my motor was done for when the oil smelled like fuel, but driving around with shitty tuning for a while caused some gassy badness in the crankcase.

Sorry for your misfortune, but now you can buy that old 900 you've always wanted ;)

Best of luck,
Andy

[cherrybombcivic]

NA>Boost

[Weston]

Eh, I've more than proven that a boosted Honda can be reliable. Stu was just running a crazy amount of boost on a real old motor.

[HONDA GHANDI]

NA>Boost


Shut up scrub.

[Skaterkid]

NA>Boost
Come out to CO and you'll change your tune.

[stu]

Uh oh Steve, now you've ruffled everyone's feathers. lol ;)

[HONDA GHANDI]

Youre car was faster anyway Stu.

[myshtern]

Youre car was faster anyway Stu.
Thats all that matters :)

[Weston-work]

:werd: Stu has the fastest car on the side of the road... he took that title away from the DSM guys. :rofl:

[stu]

While I was driving it, it would still boost. I bet I could still get a high 14 or 15 out of it. It felt pretty strong, but I didn't want to hammer on it. Probably a good thing I didn't.

[doctorstupid]

Shitty :(

Just a word of advice, cheap rebuilds are cheap for a reason; and are very different from a rebuild on a budget ;)

[cherrybombcivic]

The only thing i scrub is my balls in the shower....

dont make me post that vid of my hatch hitting a 12 second pass, which i did UNboosted mr. ghandi.

:)

[cherrybombcivic]

and , and how bout this one:

NA>Boost>blown rings>one of ghandis hummers...

[HONDA GHANDI]

Post the vid beeoch. Oh and Ooooh, a 12 second car at sea level, thats something no one has ever done. ;)


And for your info, Nothing>Ghandi's hummers. (I have retractable teeth and no gag reflex.

[cherrybombcivic]

hahahahaha, thats awesome!

so is the k project gonna go down or what?

[HONDA GHANDI]

yep.

[Pang]

Why the hell did you use a check valve with that fuel setup? You're completely blinding the ECU when you really need to be manipulating it with the MAP signal. How long have you been using it?


check valve sounds like the problem. Damn sorry to hear Stu, at least you had your fun with it right?!

[stu]

Yep.

[THRICE]

And for your info, Nothing>Ghandi's hummers. (I have retractable teeth and no gag reflex.


Dirty old man! :D

[Jackrabbit]

You can drive my minivan for awhile. But you gotta fix it first. ;)

Seriously though, you should hit an auction for a cheap beater to commute in. I don't know how I lived with only one car, especially if you race it.

[stu]

I don't have any money. Really, I don't think I'd even be able to leave with anything that even runs from an auction. The other problem is, my car is already a cheap beater. I'm thinking about doing just that though.

[David]

If you part the car out there a couple parts id buy off of you ;)

rebuilding the car wouldn't be that bad would it? I would think if its just the rings you could do it for under $100

[stu]

I don't know how to rebuild a motor though.

[STIBungy]

If rebuilds were that cheap, everybody would be rebuilding.

If you part the car out there a couple parts id buy off of you ;)

rebuilding the car wouldn't be that bad would it? I would think if its just the rings you could do it for under $100

[David]

what all is involved in a rebuild? I thought it was just rings and seals and the reason nobody does them is because they are hard, and usually unnecessary

stu, if you are planning on just junking the engine, why not give it a shot? You have the ultimate resource on your speed dial (Tobi)

[stu]

Tobi is #4 in my cell phone. He's right above the police, my mom, my girlfriend, the hospital, and the dentist. The only people who are above him are pizzza hut, my girlfriend's mom, and my massuse. Plus, I don't like to bug Tobi by calling him all the time. I'm sure he gets that from thousands of other people all the time, I don't need to add to his phone bliss, I mean bills.

[David]

and you always have the ultimate...david...im on your speed dial right ;)

[Weston-work]

OEM rings will run you $30 per piston, so about $120. If your ring-lands are shot, then you need new pistons as well, which is around $400 for a set of aftermarkets, or you can get OEM's for much less (especially if you buy used). Rod bearings are about $10 a pop and you need 2 per cylinder (each one in just a half). So, a proper rebuild, even a mild one, adds up quick. You also need to hone the cylinders to create a cross-hatch pattern so you can get a good seal with the new rings... the ghetto way is just an attachment on a drill, but I wouldn't trust that to do it evenly.

If you're really broke and you need a fix, you can slap in some used OEM pistons & rings, but that's just a band-aid to buy you time. Better to spend the money and do it right once than to do it twice... go stand on the corner if you have to.

[STIBungy]

For the engine being that high mileage, there are many other parts you'll want to replace while it's apart. Here's a list(I'm probably missing alot of small items):

rings
rod bearings
main bearings
head studs
oil pan gasket
head gasket

[myshtern]

You also need to hone the cylinders to create a cross-hatch pattern so you can get a good seal with the new rings... the ghetto way is just an attachment on a drill, but I wouldn't trust that to do it evenly.

The attachment on a drill works fine.
Just approximate 60 degrees.
If you think about the purpose of this, it doesnt need to be exact.

Either way, stu should do the rebuild I think.
He will have a fresh reliable car
He will learn tons about the engine

Its still not more money considering he wont sell his car for much with that much mileage and a blown engine. The money he will get for his car is probably just enough to buy an unreliable junker.

[David]

You could get a good ammount of money if you parted everything out, and buy an older honda, that would probably be the smartest thing to do, but it would be a shame to part out a car you put so much time and money into

[Weston-work]

The attachment on a drill works fine.
Just approximate 60 degrees.
If you think about the purpose of this, it doesnt need to be exact.


It doesn't need to be exact, but I wouldn't want to taper the cylinders. Once you have the engine apart enough to do this, it's not too hard to just pull the block and take it to a machine shop... just need to drop the tranny and unbolt the motor mounts. If you're going to rebuilt, you might as well do it right.

[STIBungy]

I agree. I'd hate to put everything back together, fire it up and find out my rings wont seat properly because I didnt hone the walls properly.

It doesn't need to be exact, but I wouldn't want to taper the cylinders. Once you have the engine apart enough to do this, it's not too hard to just pull the block and take it to a machine shop... just need to drop the tranny and unbolt the motor mounts. If you're going to rebuilt, you might as well do it right.

[stu]

I don't want another unreliable junker. I'm just going to try and buy Slava's motor and have some people on here help me swap the motor sometime (I can't afford to pay someone else to do it). Then I think I might try my hand at building the motor on my own. I'm going to see if I can get a higher paying full time job over the winter, then money won't be as much of an issue. :)

[David]

what engine does slava have? Are you going to keep your turbo setup?

[stu]

Slava has got a B18a motor, just like what I have. I thought about taking the turbo parts off, but then I realized that I don't have any of my stock parts anymore, unless they are still sitting in Tobi's back yard or something. I think I'll just go on the wastegate boost until I can get a built motor in the car. That should be fine probably.

[myshtern]

It doesn't need to be exact, but I wouldn't want to taper the cylinders. Once you have the engine apart enough to do this, it's not too hard to just pull the block and take it to a machine shop... just need to drop the tranny and unbolt the motor mounts. If you're going to rebuilt, you might as well do it right.

I asked my auto mechanics teacher about this and he said he has never had any problems with this in his career.

He taught auto courses specializing in engine rebuilding for like 30 some odd years and has worked on practically every single type of engine built in the last 40 years.

I just say this because I think he knows what he is doing and thats what he told me.

[Weston-work]

I'm sure he knows what he's doing, but the first timer isn't going to hone it as well as him either. It's important to do it an even amount throughout the cylinder.

[David]

Slava has got a B18a motor, just like what I have. I thought about taking the turbo parts off, but then I realized that I don't have any of my stock parts anymore, unless they are still sitting in Tobi's back yard or something. I think I'll just go on the wastegate boost until I can get a built motor in the car. That should be fine probably.
that sounds like a good idea. When do you think you will get the motor? I would be more than happy to help out if you want.

[stu]

Thanks, Dave. I'm trying to put the money together by next week. Hopefully he doesn't sell it before then and we can come to an agreement on price. Riding the bus to school blows.

[Weston-work]

Yeah, I can help with this too... I've done it before.

[myshtern]

Yeah, I can help with this too... I've done it before.
me too, i hope hondas are like volkswagons

[computingfuture]

I have an idea:
http://www.aros.net/~mstahnky/humor/Just%20Plain%20Weird/One%20Horsepower.jpg

[chris_venturini]

ill help ya out on the weekends, i wont necessarily do much except drink your alcohal, critisize your work and lose your tools.

[Weston-work]

Don't forget "rub salsa in your eye"... speaking of which, I ordered the "hot" legs on Wednesday and made the mistake of rubbing my eye. Didn't get in the eye itself (thank god), but it caused my eyelid to swell up for a few days.

[GSX59]

I have an idea:
http://www.aros.net/~mstahnky/humor/Just%20Plain%20Weird/One%20Horsepower.jpg

:rofl: