2005 Subaru Legacy GT

[wild.irish]

just saw this car on the street, still with manufacturer licence plates. i think this is the first subaru that i really like for looks alone! (no offence you WRX people ;)
it was black too, very nice. rear is kinda intrepid-inspired though, but the car looks great!

[LeonZ]

It's a good looking car all around. Pretty quick too. No wonder it's the car of the year in many parts of the world.

[2fastNturn]

My dad just got one. Silver, Black leather, loaded.

Its pretty nice, but you can tell the turbo is a hair drier. I bet its the standard WRX turbo. Car drives and feels very light and nimble, lots of down low torque and instant go. To bad Burt already had to fix the paint on the bumper from when the scratched the crap out of it unloading it from the truck.

[nolimitsoldier]

Those are damn nice, I'd like to get one. I hadn't seen one in person until I saw Brian's last weekend, very sweet car!

[john]

They guy I share my office with @ work has one of the first that was available in the Denver area. He's scared to mod it due to him being a warranty watcher, but I think that motor could make some really decent power if someone took the time to play with it.

Even in stock trim it's a blast to drive. I would love to have one with a nicely sized turbo, some fuel, and around 25psi (assuming that stock boost is in the 1 bar ballbark).

[exciv2000]

Stock boost is 13.5. I considered buying one until I saw the side impact crash tests pretty much sucked. :(

[Brian]

I've got one and love it. Hopefully i'll have an mbc on it along with a catless uppipe within a week or so.

[LeonZ]

My dad just got one. Silver, Black leather, loaded.

Its pretty nice, but you can tell the turbo is a hair drier. I bet its the standard WRX turbo. Car drives and feels very light and nimble, lots of down low torque and instant go. To bad Burt already had to fix the paint on the bumper from when the scratched the crap out of it unloading it from the truck.

yep, it's the same turbo TD-04

[Bedlam]

Weston might have some comments about these too...ran into one last night on the way home from wings. Pretty nice car.

-Bedlam

[Weston]

Yeah, I came across one with temp tags on it and the guy was trying to race me (in traffic)... I had no idea what kind of car it was, but figured it was the typical slow ricer. I stepped on it in 1st and my tires just spun once I hit about 4000 rpm, so I put it in 2nd and only managed to make up for lost ground by the time I had to shut down for traffic (about 50 mph). This only lasted for about 6 seconds, but I was surprised to see that I didn't just completely blow his doors off like he was standing still. I'm sure I would have had him, but it definately seemed faster than a stock WRX.

I just wish I stayed on 287 with you guys... it looked like he was going to turn on 36, so that's where I went (which is the usual way I go home).

[STIBungy]

So he beat you from a dig?

[MirageZ31]

They're nice. I got to sit in one.

[Brian]

From what I have seen they are faster than a stock or lightly modded wrx. A few guys are hitting solid 13's stock in them. It is actually a bigger turbo than the WRX has in it. The legacy uses a VF40. Here is a stock dyno

http://home.comcast.net/~scott_humble/images/05LegacyGTDyno.JPG

Boost gauge results show they run about 12 psi stock. There are guys using mbc's running 15-17 with no other mods that have logged no detonation or other engine problems on the stock turbo.

[Brian]

A couple guys with cobb stage 2 wrx's say the legacy stays pretty close to them in a race, so that gives you a pretty good idea I guess. Definitely not as fast as an STi, but with a few mods it will put up a good fight.

[MKIII-Shoopra]

is that wat that red car was weston?? I tried messing with him but he wouldnt do anything...

[LeonZ]

You tried messing with it? Lol dumbass...

Damn i thought legacy has a different turbo. Didn't know about vf turbo. Foresters have wrx turbos on them.

[MKIII-Shoopra]

I didnt know what it was.... it was too dark... I can beat stock wrx's... I even beat one w/ exaust and a downpipe on the highway once.

[Skaterkid]

You don't learn do you?

[Weston]

So he beat you from a dig?

Not reallly... I was just briefly pwned by my own superior acceleration in 1st gear on cold pavement. I shifted into 2nd and made up for it, but had to shut down pretty quickly due to traffic in my lane.

[STIBungy]

Superior acceleration does you a whole lot of good standing still. :D

So you did pass him then?

Not reallly... I was just briefly pwned by my own superior acceleration in 1st gear on cold pavement. I shifted into 2nd and made up for it, but had to shut down pretty quickly due to traffic in my lane.

[Brian]

Yeah, the legacy is the only one that has the bigger turbo from what I understand.
You tried messing with it? Lol dumbass...

Damn i thought legacy has a different turbo. Didn't know about vf turbo. Foresters have wrx turbos on them.

[Weston]

Superior acceleration does you a whole lot of good standing still. :D

So you did pass him then?

We weren't standing still... I was going along in 1st with traction, but the tires quickly broke loose as soon as it hit higher RPMs. I shifted into 2nd and made up for my lost ground, but had to shut it down as soon as I started passing him because of traffic (I don't run up to people's rear bumpers like some jackass ricer). We only got up to maybe 50 mph, so it didn't exactly last long.

Why do you care so much? It's not like it was even comparable to your STi, which we already know I can hang with just fine. :D

[STIBungy]

We havent exactly proven that yet.

Why do you care so much? It's not like it was even comparable to your STi, which we already know I can hang with just fine. :D

[MirageZ31]

I want to watch Weston and Hung race!

[Weston]

We havent exactly proven that yet.

Funny... the video (http://www.apexracingmedia.net/hai/Hung%20STi%20Race.wmv) says otherwise. The gap between us sure stayed pretty consistent there... and that was before my exhaust upgrade. :)

Find a smart place to do this again and I'll more than just keep up... :D

BTW: how do you compare to Justin's Z on the highway (ie 100+)?

[Skaterkid]

Dibs on filming.

[Dustin]

Funny... the video (http://www.apexracingmedia.net/hai/Hung%20STi%20Race.wmv) says otherwise. The gap between us sure stayed pretty consistent there... and that was before my exhaust upgrade. :)

Find a smart place to do this again and I'll more than just keep up... :D

BTW: how do you compare to Justin's Z on the highway (ie 100+)?

Looked like he was pulling the whole time...

[STIBungy]

I pulled on Juztin's car.

BTW: how do you compare to Justin's Z on the highway (ie 100+)?

[Weston-work]

Looked like he was pulling the whole time...

Not really... he got a jump at the beginning due to being the one who decided when to start, but the gap stayed pretty much the same after that. I think it's quite reasonable to say that I was able to hang with him. In any case, it doesn't really matter because I'm faster now... Just ask AV630. :D

[stu]

This thread makes me super sad now. :(

[LeonZ]

Just ask AV630. :D

Yeah. In fact, you can ask him about anything if you want the TRUE answer.

[Weston-work]

Well, I was referring to the fact that he saw the before and after performance... it was substantial. It turns out that my old exhaust wasn't even entirely 2.25"... it went down the 1.8" at the axle-back flange for some crazy reason. I thought the bottleneck was only at the cat flange, which I had fixed, but it turns out that it really had two to begin with.

[wild.irish]

It turns out that my old exhaust wasn't even entirely 2.25"...
quick thread jacking question - what's your exhaust pipes diameter now?

[wild.irish]

actually, wait a minute, this is my thread! i can't jack a thread from myself! :rofl:

[2fastNturn]

227 whp SAE? yeah, it felt that slow.... thats only 180 actual whp. Slap on a STI ECU, Turbo and Injectors, then it would be decent.

[Brian]

Yeah, but I doubt something like that is going to change the outcome of any race.
Well, I was referring to the fact that he saw the before and after performance... it was substantial. It turns out that my old exhaust wasn't even entirely 2.25"... it went down the 1.8" at the axle-back flange for some crazy reason. I thought the bottleneck was only at the cat flange, which I had fixed, but it turns out that it really had two to begin with.

[Brian]

No, that is actual wheel hp. It is corrected because that dyno run was up here in colorado. At sea level it would put down 227 at the wheels.

227 whp SAE? yeah, it felt that slow.... thats only 180 actual whp. Slap on a STI ECU, Turbo and Injectors, then it would be decent.

[2fastNturn]

No, that is actual wheel hp. It is corrected because that dyno run was up here in colorado. At sea level it would put down 227 at the wheels.

yeah sae... corrected for altitude, meaning it only actually makes 180 whp at altitude

[2000SiVTEC]

All I can say is that Brians Legacy is pretty damn quick. It is a torquey car....To gauge how fast it really is him and I will have to run one another one day when we have a chance. My Jetta ran a 14.6 with a pretty crappy 60 foot last time I was at the track and when I drove his car it felt about as fast as mine....All I know is its not slow, especiallly for being totally stock.

[Weston-work]

Yeah, but I doubt something like that is going to change the outcome of any race.

I'm not sure if you're talking about just the exhaust bottleneck, or the entire cat-back upgrade... I wouldn't expect a big difference from just removing the bottleneck, but I just replaced the whole cat-back with 3" piping and basically no muffler (just a muffler-shaped resonator). I'm running a 2.5" mandrel bent downpipe and a 2.5" Carsound high-flow cat, so the old 2.25" cat-back was clearly choking it.

I didn't really feel much difference driving it (my boost and powerband are very smooth), but I was surprised when I saw the actual performance difference... I went from only getting one car length on AV630's mod'ed 350Z by 100 to getting many, even after I blew the start with massive wheelspin and let him get several cars on me. I figured I didn't have a chance after my bad start, but I ended up catching up and flying passed him around 90. We were both quite surprised that I was able to do that, and he made no excuses. The air temperature was slightly cooler that night (maybe 10 degrees), which helped me more than it helped him, and I think he might have had a little more weight than the previous time too, but neither was much of a difference... not nearly enough to even dream of making me that much faster. There was really nothing other than the exhaust to account for the improvement in performance.

[Brian]

Cool, I didn't read that correctly. I thought you were just talking about teh bottleneck making the difference. A whole catback on a turbo car will make a nice difference though.

[Brian]

yeah sae... corrected for altitude, meaning it only actually makes 180 whp at altitude
probably, but again on the stock turbo and everything else I bet it could get pretty close to the numbers you are putting down.