Jon Stuart vs CrossFire [Archive] - High Altitude Imports

DrJones

10-19-2004, 08:18 PM

John Stuart used to be funny... now his show is just a bunch of cheap shots at Bush.

Where did he get so full of himself that he thinks he's so special? At least America is wiser than that and has stoped watching him. His viewers droped 7% last month, and it's only on the decrease. People get sick of hearing the same gay shit over and over again.

myshtern

10-19-2004, 08:25 PM

I shed a tear for you, poor confused republican

:p
I have been saying this for almost 17 years:
Entertainers should stick to entertaining and leave the politics to those who are educated in politcs

People are sick of actors talking bad about Bush and whatnot.
Everytime they do, their careers go down

DrJones

10-19-2004, 08:29 PM

Everyone go see Team America

myshtern

10-19-2004, 08:34 PM

Everyone go see Team America
John Stuart is now a prominent member of F.A.G.

David

10-19-2004, 08:49 PM

well I can see where this thread is going

down the crapper with all the other ridiculously false political threads

Skaterkid

10-19-2004, 09:08 PM

Someone speaks the truth about politics! He shows the head of the shows that they're wrong! He must be uneducated and not up to date! Never question the system!!11!! :rolleyes:

exciv2000

10-19-2004, 09:52 PM

Everyone go see Team America

"New Rule: No puppet fucking. The "South Park" guys have a new movie called "Team America," which features graphic sex scenes between marionettes. Hey, you know what? If I had any interest in wooden sex with strings attached, I'd get married." - Bill Maher

David

10-20-2004, 11:56 AM

Someone speaks the truth about politics! He shows the head of the shows that they're wrong! He must be uneducated and not up to date! Never question the system!!11!! :rolleyes:
:werd:

its always good to see that HAI is filled with a bunch of bright fair minded unbiased gentlemen :rolleyes:

stu

10-20-2004, 12:00 PM

"New Rule: No puppet fucking. The "South Park" guys have a new movie called "Team America," which features graphic sex scenes between marionettes. Hey, you know what? If I had any interest in wooden sex with strings attached, I'd get married." - Bill Maher

How cute, both you and Bill Maher can write off a whole movie soley based one scene.

David

10-20-2004, 12:03 PM

so? I loved titanic soley based on one seen

stu

10-20-2004, 12:22 PM

The part where she loses her virginity in the back seat of a car that happens to be the only one on a huge ship in the middle of the ocean at a time when very few people had cars to begin with? Given those circumstances, she is a real pioneer that I deeply respect.

chris_venturini

10-20-2004, 02:50 PM

Paul, futurama and family guy can come on whenever you want it to. Its called winamp tv.....n00b.

stu

10-20-2004, 02:52 PM

Why are you replying to my sig you diareha belt?

chris_venturini

10-20-2004, 02:55 PM

because i knew you would check this thread and relay the message to paul, dont forget to mention the n00b part, and possibly any other insult you can think of.

WRX Harvey

10-21-2004, 01:46 PM

We are all citizens and must behave so. I don't beleive that since I am a bartender I should keep my political thoughts to myself.

That is what the Bush Regime would love for you to do anyhow. Restauranteurs should stick to their thing, Entertainers, Race Car Drivers, Professors too. Fuck That.

I am a Libertarian who Hates to, but, WILL VOTE KERRY!

Here is what the economists think.... or are they allowed to think about politics?
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5818277/

DiSekt

10-22-2004, 09:19 AM

Haha, only allow people who are so called "experts" on the subject of politics discuss it. No free thinking or educating yourself on topics that you aren't going to make a profession out of because that's someone elses job.

I never knew it was someone elses job to tell you how people are doing or how things should be, I thought you as an individual are suppose to choose. No wonder our country is the way it is now. ;UgH:

David

10-22-2004, 12:15 PM

my thread all of a sudden this thread got cooler because people swayed to my side :D

stu

10-22-2004, 12:59 PM

You can't really argue with the poin that Harvey makes.

myshtern

10-22-2004, 01:08 PM

Haha, only allow people who are so called "experts" on the subject of politics discuss it. No free thinking or educating yourself on topics that you aren't going to make a profession out of because that's someone elses job.

Do you call going on cable TV and bashing the government an educational experience? I dont think celebs do it to learn about politics

You can think whatever you want.
You can say whatever you want.
Doesnt mean what you say doesnt come with consequences.

I never knew it was someone elses job to tell you how people are doing or how things should be, I thought you as an individual are suppose to choose. No wonder our country is the way it is now. ;UgH:

So you are saying that nobody should tell us how things are going on?
You dont want the news nor Patrick Swayze telling you whats going on in the country?
Our country is bad because because other people tell us how to think?

David, you've got some real strong arguments backing you up :rolleyes:

;NutKick;

DiSekt

10-22-2004, 01:42 PM

Do you call going on cable TV and bashing the government an educational experience? I dont think celebs do it to learn about politics

You can think whatever you want.
You can say whatever you want.
Doesnt mean what you say doesnt come with consequences.

I think you're reading my comments wrong. You were saying that people who are not political analysists should not talk about politics in any form because it's not their job. I completely disagree with not allowing people, no matter their profession, to voice their political views. He is just stating a view, what is wrong with that? I don't think that you need to be labled as a professional in the forum of politics in order to have a valid opinion.

So you are saying that nobody should tell us how things are going on?
You dont want the news nor Patrick Swayze telling you whats going on in the country?
Our country is bad because because other people tell us how to think?

I'm saying that we shouldn't base our opinions solely on the information given to us by news reporters because they are just stating a view of a situation. And yes, our country is bad because we ALLOW other people to tell us how to view things without giving the whole story. Most people now a days watch the news and assume that's the whole truth therefore have an opinion that is given to them, not choosen by them.
;NutKick;

myshtern

10-22-2004, 02:28 PM

I think you're reading my comments wrong. You were saying that people who are not political analysists should not talk about politics in any form because it's not their job. I completely disagree with not allowing people, no matter their profession, to voice their political views. He is just stating a view, what is wrong with that? I don't think that you need to be labled as a professional in the forum of politics in order to have a valid opinion.

Anyone can say whatever they want, they just shouldnt be surprised if their acting career goes downt the tube.

My problem isnt that they are 'expressing their views' but rather that they are exploiting their celebrity status and have absolutely no idea what they are talking about.

I'm saying that we shouldn't base our opinions solely on the information given to us by news reporters because they are just stating a view of a situation. And yes, our country is bad because we ALLOW other people to tell us how to view things without giving the whole story. Most people now a days watch the news and assume that's the whole truth therefore have an opinion that is given to them, not choosen by them.
;NutKick;

By saying this you completely contradict your first statement.

First you say everyone should say whatever they want no matter what their profession is, then you say our country is bad for ALLOWING people to say something without giving the whole story.

So people just shouldnt be able to talk unless they bat for both teams.

THRICE

10-22-2004, 02:47 PM

If everyone kept thier thoughts to themselves and entertainers solely entertained, this country wouldn't be what it stands for.

The two asshats on Crossfire aren't real political analysts either. They are nothing more than highly paid actors that are fed information prior to air and spout them in a rude unprofessional manner. Watch and listen to how they ask a question and when Jon Stuart attempts to answer they interrupt him. Why do you think he was getting pissed? That's what they want, and on-air verbal disagreement so that people will tune in and listen to their bullshit. Americans like nosy, personal, pointless conflict.

myshtern

10-22-2004, 03:14 PM

The two asshats on Crossfire aren't real political analysts either.
http://www.cnn.com/CNN/anchors_reporters/begala.paul.html

A native of Texas, Begala earned his undergraduate and law degrees from the University of Texas, where he taught before his work at the White House. After leaving the Clinton administration, Begala joined Georgetown University's staff as a research professor of government and public policy.

Begala first entered the national political scene after his consulting firm, Carville & Begala, helped elect President Bill Clinton in 1992. Serving in the Clinton administration as counselor to the president, he helped define and defend the administration's agenda and served as the principal public spokesman.

http://www.cnn.com/CNN/anchors_reporters/carlson.tucker.html

Formerly a staff writer at the Arkansas Democrat-Gazette in Little Rock, Carlson has been a columnist for New York Magazine and Reader's Digest. He has covered politics and disorder from around the world for dozens of magazines and newspapers, including the New York Times, the Weekly Standard and the Wall Street Journal. He now writes for Esquire. His book, Politicians, Partisans and Parasites: My Adventures in Cable News, was published in the fall of 2003.

So what is a real political analyst?

David

10-22-2004, 03:48 PM

soooo...are you calling john stewart a celebrity?

anywas, dispite the fact that his show is a news show, he shouldn't be allowed to speak out (which BTW is what this country is all about) because hes an idiot for talking bad about Bush and using his news show to spread his opinion

[this thread was never about politics]

myshtern

10-22-2004, 03:56 PM

dispite the fact that his show is a news show
In the words of John Stuart, "a show with puppets making prank calls leads into mine."

David

10-22-2004, 03:57 PM

that doesn't say what kind of show it is ;)

Skaterkid

10-22-2004, 05:14 PM

So, who gives a fuck? Seriously. The dude on Crossfire with the bow tie is a tool, and shouldn't be allowed to speak. I'd say John made some valid points.

DiSekt

10-23-2004, 07:05 AM

By saying this you completely contradict your first statement.

First you say everyone should say whatever they want no matter what their profession is, then you say our country is bad for ALLOWING people to say something without giving the whole story.

So people just shouldnt be able to talk unless they bat for both teams.

It doesn't contradict itself if you actually read it. I didn't say the country is bad because the news tells half truths. From the start of that comment I stated it was about the opinions people develop based on what they are told through mass media, not the opinions expressed by them.

WRX Harvey

10-23-2004, 11:03 AM

How can anyone explain the phenomenon of Arnie in the Gov seat? He is doing a good job (and is a republican;)). It is the Reagan effect working it's cycle(He was an actor, for most of you youngins). Although Jessie Ventura is a good argument for the actors staying out of politics argument as well. Maybe we should look at individuals for their intelligence instead of trying to pigeonhole everyone. I realize that it makes the world easier to look at, but it is rather simpleminded. They want that.

socksRtees

10-24-2004, 10:19 AM

CNN aired Jon Stuart speaking at some forum yesterday. He was pretty clear about the fact that The Daily Show is not news, that their viewer base is already knowledgable about the subjects (because otherwise they'd have no interest in the show), that the daily show assumes a certain knowledge base, that their whole point is to make jokes about the news.

He is not a political commentator. He is a self proclaimed joke maker. But the thing that makes real commediannes really funny is when their observations are honest and uncensored, i.e., Lenny Bruce and his ilk.

Don't Shoot the messenger.

I am unabashedly in love with Jon Stuart. He has a gift and he's brilliant.

BTW, anybody out there got a 64 1/2 Mustang Convertible?

THRICE

10-24-2004, 12:32 PM

http://www.cnn.com/CNN/anchors_reporters/begala.paul.html

A native of Texas, Begala earned his undergraduate and law degrees from the University of Texas, where he taught before his work at the White House. After leaving the Clinton administration, Begala joined Georgetown University's staff as a research professor of government and public policy.

Begala first entered the national political scene after his consulting firm, Carville & Begala, helped elect President Bill Clinton in 1992. Serving in the Clinton administration as counselor to the president, he helped define and defend the administration's agenda and served as the principal public spokesman.

http://www.cnn.com/CNN/anchors_reporters/carlson.tucker.html

Formerly a staff writer at the Arkansas Democrat-Gazette in Little Rock, Carlson has been a columnist for New York Magazine and Reader's Digest. He has covered politics and disorder from around the world for dozens of magazines and newspapers, including the New York Times, the Weekly Standard and the Wall Street Journal. He now writes for Esquire. His book, Politicians, Partisans and Parasites: My Adventures in Cable News, was published in the fall of 2003.

So what is a real political analyst?

Michael Moore has a shitload of credentials too, does that make him a professional documentarian? Fuck no. Does it make him a good filmaker? I guess it must because you fucktards can't stop talking about his stupid films.

My point is that I don't watch shit where some fat fuck tries to make some sort of point about how shitty this country really is, And I don't prefer to watch two suit wearing faggots argue back and forth while constantly interrupting eachother about some bullshit that wont change anything.

I would make a show called Crossfire that would involve those three douchbags running through a battlefield.

THRICE

10-24-2004, 12:37 PM

http://www.cnn.com/CNN/anchors_reporters/begala.paul.html

A native of Texas, Begala earned his undergraduate and law degrees from the University of Texas, where he taught before his work at the White House. After leaving the Clinton administration, Begala joined Georgetown University's staff as a research professor of government and public policy.

Begala first entered the national political scene after his consulting firm, Carville & Begala, helped elect President Bill Clinton in 1992. Serving in the Clinton administration as counselor to the president, he helped define and defend the administration's agenda and served as the principal public spokesman.

http://www.cnn.com/CNN/anchors_reporters/carlson.tucker.html

Formerly a staff writer at the Arkansas Democrat-Gazette in Little Rock, Carlson has been a columnist for New York Magazine and Reader's Digest. He has covered politics and disorder from around the world for dozens of magazines and newspapers, including the New York Times, the Weekly Standard and the Wall Street Journal. He now writes for Esquire. His book, Politicians, Partisans and Parasites: My Adventures in Cable News, was published in the fall of 2003.

So what is a real political analyst?

BTW, I'd like you to enlighten me on how these two aren't highly paid speakers/actors. Read what I underlined.

myshtern

10-24-2004, 12:48 PM

BTW, I'd like you to enlighten me on how these two aren't highly paid speakers/actors. Read what I underlined.
Ok, Now you reread what you just underlined.

All it says is that one was a writer for several news agencies and the other worked for the Clinton administration.

Why does it matter if they are paid well?
They are simply paid to talk politics.

THRICE

10-24-2004, 12:54 PM

Ok, Now you reread what you just underlined.

All it says is that one was a writer for several news agencies and the other worked for the Clinton administration.

Why does it matter if they are paid well?
They are simply paid to talk politics.

Don't you get it? They are speakerboxes bro.

They are told what to say because they can deliver it.

:D
I love how you dumbed it all down to saying he worked for the Clinton administration. He was a political speaker. WHY? Well, I don't think i need to repeat myself.

myshtern

10-24-2004, 12:57 PM

I love how you dumbed it all down to saying he worked for the Clinton administration. He was a political speaker. WHY? Well, I don't think i need to repeat myself.
So you dont think these guys can deliver a coherent thought of their own?
What does it matter if they are political speakers?
That just means they are very good speakers and know how spin things towards thier perspectives.

Plus only one of them worked for Clinton.
The other was just a newspaper columnist.