Tobi tuned my car too

[DragIIISi]

I like to thanks Tobi again for a awesome job on the tune.

At 9 psi, we got:

274.3 hp
183.9 tq

At 18psi, we got:

376.7 hp
266.8 tq

Setup:

B16
- 9:1 Je pistons
- Crower Rods
- Full Crower Valvetrain
- Precision sc61 turbo
- 750cc Rc injectors
- Full Race style exhaust manifold
- Tial Wastegate
- Most important Hondata.

I will post dyno sheet when i get it scanned.

:Beer:

[Bedlam]

Nice..you still have the in the Si or do you have it in some other car now? Havent seen you around in like...forever. :p

-Bedlam

[DragIIISi]

Got rid of the si last year, but kept the motor and put it in a 96 hatch. Haven't been around very much.... been working to much. Thought I'd drop in and show some more of tobi's work.

I have the dyno on a pdf format. Can anybody tell me how to post. Or if somebody wants to do it for me, I can send it to them.

[STIBungy]

Awesome numbers. Dammit, you're making me want to do that to my B16. But I doubt I can afford to mod 2 cars.

If you wanna email it to me, I can upload it or host it.

[HONDA GHANDI]

I can host it for you too Kizzle.

[STIBungy]

Here it is:


I will post dyno sheet when i get it scanned.

:Beer:

[Prelude97]

Damn impressive numbers, you made more on your 1.6 @ 9psi than i did on my h22 with 10psi and stock 10:1 compression, cant wait to finish or start my hatch

[DragIIISi]

I think we would have had a little bit more on the 18 psi run..... At 7500rpm we went a little over 18 psi and the EBC started lowering my boost. I had my warning set to limit over boosting.

[Prelude97]

was the 18psi on pump gas?

[stu]

Jesus, you go from like 80whp at 3,000rpm to over 350whp by 7,500rpm. That must be crazy to drive.

[DragIIISi]

yeah it was on pump gas (93.5octane). i don't plan on running 18 psi on the street (already no traction on the dyno), only at the track.

[HONDA GHANDI]

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[TedR719]

Dang haven't seen a post by Korney is ages, congrats on the good numbers :cool: Tobi is doing his thing with these cars, hopefully my coupe will be one soon.

[nolimitsoldier]

Wow, nice numbers!

[Mark_H]

Nice #'s Korney, good to see you got that hatch up and running.
Mark

[servion]

I suppose this is partially O/T, but at what point does traction become a problem on this dyno? I'm looking to take a stab at tuning mine very soon at the same dyno, and I'm a little fearful of not being able to tune the high hp area because there is a traction issue.

But on topic, looks good... nice smooth curves; good tune :) Tobi, could you take a guess at what the little dip around 7.75K is caused by? Could it be the EBC issue?

[Mark_H]

I suppose this is partially O/T, but at what point does traction become a problem on this dyno? I'm looking to take a stab at tuning mine very soon at the same dyno, and I'm a little fearful of not being able to tune the high hp area because there is a traction issue.

But on topic, looks good... nice smooth curves; good tune :) Tobi, could you take a guess at what the little dip around 7.75K is caused by? Could it be the EBC issue?

FWIW my car spun the tires on the dyno in 3rd gear every time. We tried 4 staps on the front and lowered tire pressure a little bit and it still spun 3rd. So then we just did 4th gear pulls and that took care of it.
Mark

[servion]

FWIW my car spun the tires on the dyno in 3rd gear every time. We tried 4 staps on the front and lowered tire pressure a little bit and it still spun 3rd. So then we just did 4th gear pulls and that took care of it.
Mark

I'm shooting for ~550WHP up top this year; my plan is to tune it to the limit of pump gas on one day, and then come back with race gas and tune the real high HP area. DynoPro seems to be a pretty nice place to tune; they're daily rates are fairly reasonable (if I get 1 or 2 other cars to tune together).

Sorry to steal your thread Korney :)

[DragIIISi]

Same problem with my car.. Had to do the high boost runs in 4th. You may want to run your slicks for better traction.

[DragIIISi]

I suppose this is partially O/T, but at what point does traction become a problem on this dyno? I'm looking to take a stab at tuning mine very soon at the same dyno, and I'm a little fearful of not being able to tune the high hp area because there is a traction issue.

But on topic, looks good... nice smooth curves; good tune :) Tobi, could you take a guess at what the little dip around 7.75K is caused by? Could it be the EBC issue?


I was looking at the instructions on my boost controller.... I had the controller set to reduce my psi by 5 psi once it hit 18.5 psi... once it reduced it by the 5 psi, it would try and go back up to 18psi. All my other runs, I was making good power up until 7.75k then it would even out and drop off around 8.2k

[HONDA GHANDI]

Most hondas in the low 300s will spin in third gear on Bears dyno. (FWD hondas edit) 4th seems to have no problems though. all the way past 500.

[vince]

What kinda hondata setup do you have? I need to buy one, how much should i plan on spending for what you were tuning with?

[DragIIISi]

What kinda hondata setup do you have? I need to buy one, how much should i plan on spending for what you were tuning with?


I am running the hondata s200 with boost. You should pm Tobi (Honda Ghandi), he'll hook you what with everything you need.

[vince]

Those arent that much from what i heard thanx.

[HONDA GHANDI]

They run about $750 for everything except an ECU.

If you want the entire tuning kit that I have look at about $2300

[Kwando]

Impressive numbers! your 93.5 must be from petro stop on parker and quincy. maybe i will run into you there.

[DragIIISi]

Impressive numbers! your 93.5 must be from petro stop on parker and quincy. maybe i will run into you there.

I was just there 30 m minutes ago :Beer:

[computingfuture]

Jesus, you go from like 80whp at 3,000rpm to over 350whp by 7,500rpm. That must be crazy to drive.


you need to keep the revs up and no problem.

[stu]

you need to keep the revs up and no problem.

The point is that's a huge difference, so when it makes the conversion, I get the tires just let loose like you're on ice. My car probably only goes up to like 240whp and I can barely keep it in my own lane because of the torque steer.

[computingfuture]

The point is that's a huge difference, so when it makes the conversion, I get the tires just let loose like you're on ice. My car probably only goes up to like 240whp and I can barely keep it in my own lane because of the torque steer.


What sort of diff do you have? The Taurus SHO was wuposed to be the highest powered FWD car stock from a manufacturer, that was about the same.

[stu]

I have an open differential. With an LSD it'd be better. I had to re-learn how to drive it at first because the torque steer can be so bad.

[computingfuture]

I have an open differential. With an LSD it'd be better. I had to re-learn how to drive it at first because the torque steer can be so bad.

can u weld it?

[stu]

I'm sure I could, but doesn't that make it difficult to drive on the street? I've really got some other issues to work out before I start messing with an LSD. Honestly, I don't think I'll ever put one in either. I just wanted my car to be faster, and that's what I got. :)

[computingfuture]

I'm sure I could, but doesn't that make it difficult to drive on the street? I've really got some other issues to work out before I start messing with an LSD. Honestly, I don't think I'll ever put one in either. I just wanted my car to be faster, and that's what I got. :)


you should find eliminating wheel spin off the jump will make it much quicker.

[STIBungy]

No shit, Sherlock.

you should find eliminating wheel spin off the jump will make it much quicker.

[HONDA GHANDI]

you should find eliminating wheel spin off the jump will make it much quicker.


Not true on a Honda. Total traction off the line usually causes bog and can kill a 60 foot time.

[computingfuture]

Not true on a Honda. Total traction off the line usually causes bog and can kill a 60 foot time.


Have you ever seen the start of a Formula 1 Race? Until this year they were using launch control, a fully automated start with computer controlled semi automatic gearboxes. This is the most high tech form of racing in the world, and if you notice not a single car spins a wheel...

Why? Because it loses so much speed.

[stu]

Have you ever seen the start of a Formula 1 Race? Until this year they were using launch control, a fully automated start with computer controlled semi automatic gearboxes. This is the most high tech form of racing in the world, and if you notice not a single car spins a wheel...

Why? Because it loses so much speed.


You've GOT to be kidding to even try to compare a 1/4 mile drag race to an F1 race.

[computingfuture]

You've GOT to be kidding to even try to compare a 1/4 mile drag race to an F1 race.


I dont go much for 1/4 miles, the 0-100-0 test is a much better comparision of performance, what use is going fast if you cant stop. An F1 car will go from 0-100-0 in under 4 seconds, and that includes the ones at the back of the grid.

[stu]

Ummm, we're not talking about 0-100-0 performance, or turning, or stopping. We're talking about getting out of the hole for drag racing, nothing else. Nice try though I guess.

[stu]

An F1 car will go from 0-100-0 in under 4 seconds, and that includes the ones at the back of the grid.

I just saw this. Are you retarded? An F1 couldn't TOUCH times like this.

[STIBungy]

Drop it from redline. :D

Not true on a Honda. Total traction off the line usually causes bog and can kill a 60 foot time.

[ryanman]

I dont go much for 1/4 miles, the 0-100-0 test is a much better comparision of performance, what use is going fast if you cant stop. An F1 car will go from 0-100-0 in under 4 seconds, and that includes the ones at the back of the grid.
You sound like a smart one.

[computingfuture]

I just saw this. Are you retarded? An F1 couldn't TOUCH times like this.

they showed it on tv here in the uk on a show called topgear, a ferrari F1 car went from 0-100-0 before the fastest production ferrari made it to 60.

[HONDA GHANDI]

Have you ever seen the start of a Formula 1 Race? Until this year they were using launch control, a fully automated start with computer controlled semi automatic gearboxes. This is the most high tech form of racing in the world, and if you notice not a single car spins a wheel...

Why? Because it loses so much speed.



Yes I have seen a F1 race and no they are not drag racing. If they were to come to the drag strip and try that shit they would get owned by by cars weighing twice as much. You dont know what you are talking about, BEFORE last year launch control and traction control were illegal in F1 causing some tire smoke and spinning on starts. Ever seen one of these? They launch like this with NO traction control ....http://www.racingtodaymagazine.com/Web%20Photos/web/Images/Dscn4370.jpg

[HONDA GHANDI]

they showed it on tv here in the uk on a show called topgear, a ferrari F1 car went from 0-100-0 before the fastest production ferrari made it to 60.


Try 7 seconds.....


http://www.syclone.freeserve.co.uk/zero_100_zero.htm

[stu]

I like how he bases his argument on how to launch a drag car based on how much he likes the sport.

You could throw a football farther if you hit it with a stick, I like golf better.

[HONDA GHANDI]

LOL :rofl:

[computingfuture]

Try 7 seconds.....


http://www.syclone.freeserve.co.uk/zero_100_zero.htm


That was Jack Villeneuve in a 2002 BAR, if I remember correctly he kept getting lapped by schmachers ferrari.

[David]

f1 don't have no launch control anymore boy!

[rmcdaniels]

So does that turbo not get fully spooled up until like 7K? Looking at the torque curve, it seems like you're not getting full bost until way late. What turbo/manifold/exhaust do you have?

[HONDA GHANDI]

That was Jack Villeneuve in a 2002 BAR, if I remember correctly he kept getting lapped by schmachers ferrari.

Getting lapped in F1 has nothing to do with 0-100-0, It more has to do with top speed, and cornering speeds. But maybe youre right, The BAR only goes 100mph and the all powerful Ferrari goes 300 so it must be faster than a top fuel dragster.

[DragIIISi]

So does that turbo not get fully spooled up until like 7K? Looking at the torque curve, it seems like you're not getting full bost until way late. What turbo/manifold/exhaust do you have?


I don't hit full boost until 6.5. I am running full-race manifold, sc61 precision turbo, and full 3-inch exhaust.

[computingfuture]

I don't hit full boost until 6.5. I am running full-race manifold, sc61 precision turbo, and full 3-inch exhaust.


Yeah you have to keep the revs up so take off is always going to be a problem without a LSD in my opinion.

[rmcdaniels]

I don't hit full boost until 6.5. I am running full-race manifold, sc61 precision turbo, and full 3-inch exhaust.

That's a big turbo for a Honda, I'd guess that's why it takes its time spooling up, great top end though, once it gets there.

Doh!, I just noticed most of the info was in the first post, should have re-read the thread before posting. It says "full race style", is it from full-race or somebody else?

[computingfuture]

Is stil sounds to me that your car is about numbers and not performance. A lot of american motors seem to have impressive figures but cant go around corners. Take a look at a Lotus Elise and the track times it clocks up compared to a corvette.

[David]

yea, but a corvette has better 0-100-0 times, so the corvette is going to lap the Lotus

[HONDA GHANDI]

yea, but a corvette has better 0-100-0 times, so the corvette is going to lap the Lotus


LOL.

RM, Ont he road the car seems like it has a lot of lag in first but its really not that bad. After the first couple of seconds you better start looking for something to hold onto and after the first 5-6 seconds you need something to poop into because you just lost all bowel control.

[computingfuture]

yea, but a corvette has better 0-100-0 times, so the corvette is going to lap the Lotus

Uhmm, on an oval perhaps but you only get them in the States.

The Elise gets to 100 in 18.9 seconds and brakes from 100m in 5.2 seconds.

24.1 seconds isnt too impressive, however the elise can carry so much more speed through corners that it dosent need to accelarate as hard.

Too see what the Elise can do, and the stripped down Exige (Same Chasis & Engine) take a look at this

http://www.topgear.com/content/misc/TV/lap_times/

Note: This was the bottom of the range Lotus Elise with just over 100 bhp. The top of the range Exige is a Ferrari and Lambo beater.

[HONDA GHANDI]

You only know what you read in a magazine huh?

Ever actually raced on a real roadcourse and been passed by a peice of american muscle so fast on a straight you thought you were standing still? Not every track in america is a dirt oval. Please get a grip. Every track is different and can suit some cars better than others.

[computingfuture]

You only know what you read in a magazine huh?

Ever actually raced on a real roadcourse and been passed by a peice of american muscle so fast on a straight you thought you were standing still? Not every track in america is a dirt oval. Please get a grip. Every track is different and can suit some cars better than others.

Yeah in the UK we dont go in for the long straights perhaps we dont have the space for them, how much speed do you think a vette would carry around the Lowes Hairpin at monaco? Do you think it would catch the Elise by then end of the tunnel? Even if it did the Elise would be 1/4 lap ahead by the next lap.

[HONDA GHANDI]

Monaco is not in the UK. I garuntee a Z06 Vette would junk an Elise at half the tracks in Europe, Thats the whole point Im trying to make, Hp, 0-100-0, lateral G, numbers make no fucking difference on paper. The Elise may be faster than a vette at Monaco, but there are many many tracks out there that it wont even stand a chance so it really boils down to what the particular car is suited to.

[computingfuture]

You only know what you read in a magazine huh?



Uhmm no reading is for whimps. I watch TV http://www.topgear.com/

[HONDA GHANDI]

That explains your geography confusion.

[DragIIISi]

That's a big turbo for a Honda, I'd guess that's why it takes its time spooling up, great top end though, once it gets there.

Doh!, I just noticed most of the info was in the first post, should have re-read the thread before posting. It says "full race style", is it from full-race or somebody else?


A guy on honda-tech makes the manifolds... i got it when he first started selling them at a very good price, and it looks great. Pretty good welds.

http://www.neukin.com/

The car was really built to go fast in the 1\4. That's the reason for the big turbo. I don't care about the lag to much, cause i'm always driving through rush hour traffic.

[myshtern]

wow, that looks extrememly nice!!!!

[rmcdaniels]

A guy on honda-tech makes the manifolds... i got it when he first started selling them at a very good price, and it looks great. Pretty good welds.

http://www.neukin.com/

The car was really built to go fast in the 1\4. That's the reason for the big turbo. I don't care about the lag to much, cause i'm always driving through rush hour traffic.

Good looking mani, I just ordered one from Cody at Lovefab that looks pretty similar.