B series or H22 ?? PROS AND CONS,PLEASE

[oldskoolracer]

I HAVE A B16 IN MY CAR RIGHT NOW BUT IT'S TO SLOW.
SOHC,ZC,NOW B SERIES, I WANT MORE, SHOULD I BOOST
MY B OR DROP THE B AND TRANSPLANT AN H22?
I LOVE TORQUE. BUT BASIC DRIVING IS IMPORTANT,

PLEASE, ANY FEEDBACK WOULD BE GRATEFUL.

[Mario]

If you love torque, anything below a b18* was the wrong choice IMHO. But I'd boost the b, you'd get more power out of it then doing a swap alone.

[95GSRB18C]

yea, boosting will always get you more power. Plus the H22 weighs alot. I said just boost the motor you have now.

[Mario]

yea, boosting will always get you more power. Plus the H22 weighs alot. I said just boost the motor you have now.

The h22a and a b-series were weighed - it's only like an extra 18-20-something lbs... it's not all that much heavier.

[David]

The h22a and a b-series were weighed - it's only like an extra 18-20-something lbs... it's not all that much heavier.
yep, you can still feel that extra weight, but it would only take some junkyard springs to make it feel like new again.

[powder311]

ever consider a b18 or b20?

[just 2]

ok do this get the h22, save up then boost that! ;Slap: thats what im gonna do if this guy fawks up/long story hehe

[fodo]

keep the b16 head, swap for b20 or ls block. best bang for buck considering what you have. h22 means starting all over.

[powder311]

everyone always jumps straight to h22.... I get enough horsepower from my b18 to make my girlfriend cream her panties.... I used to think bigger was better (and it can be) but thats mad amounts of money.. i personally wouldn't go bigger than a b20 unless it's a track only car.. but thats just me personally....

[Mario]

everyone always jumps straight to h22.... I get enough horsepower from my b18 to make my girlfriend cream her panties.... I used to think bigger was better (and it can be) but thats mad amounts of money.. i personally wouldn't go bigger than a b20 unless it's a track only car.. but thats just me personally....

So are you saying all Prelude's should be track only cars? ;NutKick;

[Prelude97]

I wouldn't recomend boosting an H22a unless you plan on fully building the engine. They have very weak ringlands and i've seen boosted stock block b18b's put down similar if not better numbers than boosted h22a's.

[powder311]

So are you saying all Prelude's should be track only cars? ;NutKick;He's got a del sol or a CRX to put it in (if i'm correct).. Preludes need a bigger engine.....

[powder311]

So are you saying all Prelude's should be track only cars? ;NutKick;And yes.. ALL preludes should be track cars.... cuz i would like that...

[oldskoolracer]

it's a stock b16a3 in a 94' delsol. bone stock all original. my crx got stolen and then when i got it back the city towed it and gave me a ticket. all my money was in that rex. so my brain is fried. i love speed and right now i'm trying to buy champagne on
a beer budget. + the b16 has 170,000 on it. i can get the hole h22 swap for about 2,000.00 w/mounts.

[David]

the engine is the cheap part, the expensive part is the fact that you then need to buy mounts, axles, half shafts, install, ect.

[just 2]

I wouldn't recomend boosting an H22a unless you plan on fully building the engine. They have very weak ringlands and i've seen boosted stock block b18b's put down similar if not better numbers than boosted h22a's.
I think I should be fine with only 7 lbs but its boost will want more then more then boom, h22a with new motor mounts complete swap only 3,700 in stalled

[just 2]

www.jazzproparts.com or www.hmotorsonline.com

[fodo]

it's a stock b16a3 in a 94' delsol. bone stock all original. my crx got stolen and then when i got it back the city towed it and gave me a ticket. all my money was in that rex. so my brain is fried. i love speed and right now i'm trying to buy champagne on
a beer budget. + the b16 has 170,000 on it. i can get the hole h22 swap for about 2,000.00 w/mounts.

2g with mounts is kick ass deal. usually the 2g's are spent on just motor brain tranny. but dont say i didn't warn you..you drop the h22 in there, it wont feel that much of a difference that your b16 now.

[Pang]

I would boost the b16a. You'll be faster than one with an h22 NA. That and the H22 weights more and are weaker to turbocharging.

[DREW]

or boost an ls cheaper and can pull way better #'s

[oldskoolracer]

ANYBODY HAVE SOME BASIC PRICES ON GOOD TURBO KITS?
AND SHOULDN'T I REBUILD THAT BLOCK TO HOLD IT,, HIGH MILES.

[Mario]

I'd run a compression and leakdown test, see how good condition the block is.

Personally, I'd piece together your own kit.

[oldskoolracer]

ROUGH ESTIMATE ON PRICE, AND ANY SUGGESTIONS ON TURBO TO USE

[12seccivy]

ROUGH ESTIMATE ON PRICE, AND ANY SUGGESTIONS ON TURBO TO USE

Try not to use all caps please.It indicates yelling...

[rmcdaniels]

You can do it either way, my B16 makes lots of torque.

I believe the first thing you should do is get your current engine checked out to see if boosting it is an option. A compression and leakdown test would be the minimum. Personally I'd also plastiguage the bearings, but opinions differ and I've heard one old Honda tech say that it's not necessary as you will hear the knock if the bearings get too worn. Ask a tech you trust on that one.

I wouldn't even worry about the turbo until you figure out how to get fuel to the motor. Boost + poor fuel management = dead motor. Plan for more boost than you intend to use, you said it "I want more", and it's never enough. If you are on a tight budget, I think a fuel controller and some DSM injectors will do the job, I think Stu did something like that, ask him, I did Hondata.

If you like torque, check out the JRSC kit. If you have the fuel management taken care of, then the JRSC kit actually works well. It's got no lag and makes great low end torque. I got mine cheap on ebay and it's worked well. Actually mine will be back on ebay soon, my new engine is going turbo, because "I want more".

[95civic_h22a]

The H22 has a lot of torque. I drive mine as a daily driver and it's fine. I remember all the people in here saying it was a bad swap to do. I love mine. I replaced my 2.50" drop springs to dropzone 1.50" springs and that makes it fine. The torque is unbelieveable for a N/A motor. I personally recommend the H over the B boosted but that's me. I'd boost the H.

[rmcdaniels]

How high does a H22 rev?

[95civic_h22a]

JDM 92-96 Prelude VTEC
2157cc (DOHC VTEC)
Horsepower: 200hp@6800rpm
Torque: 161lbs-ft@5500rpm
Compression: 10.6:1
Bore: 87mm
Stroke: 90.7mm
OBD: 1
:eek:Redline: 8200rpm :eek:

[Bedlam]

If you have a del Sol VTEC...clean it up, sell it as is...and then get some shitbox you want to make go fast. The VTEC sol's are rare enuf anyway, why would you want to fuck up the engine bay? Maybe a turbo or something...

-Bedlam

[rmcdaniels]

That's pretty good, I didn't know it revved that high. Good torque down low too. I'd still boost the B16 if it checked out good, mostly because I think it would be easier, but the H22 sounds like it would be a lot of fun too, maybe if the B didn't do well on the compression/leakdown tests and I had to pull it anyway.

[ryanman]

Bigger is better.

[rmcdaniels]

I'd say more lbs/min of air is better, however you accomplish it. Sometimes bigger is just the easiest/safest way to do it, but where's the excitement in that? Few things are more thrilling than laying under your car, pushing your connecting rod up to get your piston out, then when it pops out hearing the clatter of the many little pieces of metal that rain down on you from your shattered piston and rings.

[HONDA GHANDI]

Click the sig, Stock block B16 with about $3500 in mods (blue car) VS CIvic with $6k in H22 swap and mods. VVVVVVVV

[rmcdaniels]

Was that hatch FI or NA?

[HONDA GHANDI]

NA with lots of boltons.

[rmcdaniels]

I looked at doing NA, it just seemed too expensive to do it well enough to get any where near boosted performance. I'm learning there's a lot more than engine though. I got horribly beaten (autox) by an almost stock CRX -w- a mighty 90 HP a couple weeks ago. He had installed better tires and a much better driver. I'm looking at tires now and in the process of a driver upgrade.

[Mario]

and in the process of a driver upgrade.

:rofl: That's the best way I've ever seen that put... nicely integrated man.

[oldskoolracer]

nicley put ghandi, was it a turbo or
all motor?

bedlam,
i love how rare the car is to but i was
lokking for the long run, everybody in
every shop i have gon to from here
to kansas city says boost the B.
some say gsr others say ls. it's a
tough decision. but i would like to keep
the stock motor rebuildable but another
b series is hard to come bye.

[HONDA GHANDI]

NA H22 in the white hatch.

B16 SC'd in the Si.

[hsunchen]

NA H22 in the white hatch.

B16 SC'd in the Si.

Come on man, don't taunt us with video clips of cars at sea level (or at least a lot closer - that's Cali right?) . . .

[12seccivy]

Come on man, don't taunt us with video clips of cars at sea level (or at least a lot closer - that's Cali right?) . . .

The N/a is going to be a lot less here than the S/C SI...
;NutKick;

[HONDA GHANDI]

That track is about 1100 feet, was a cool day too, good conditions.

THis last weekend was shitty, 10-15mph headwind, 93 temps, 115 track surface temps and very poorly prepared launch pad. Car was only good for a 13.30 @102.8 mph.
Did get consistant 1.99-2.000 60 foots though.

[oldskoolracer]

was that your si ghandi?

[ryanman]

yes thats his

[Bedlam]

That track is about 1100 feet, was a cool day too, good conditions.

THis last weekend was shitty, 10-15mph headwind, 93 temps, 115 track surface temps and very poorly prepared launch pad. Car was only good for a 13.30 @102.8 mph.
Did get consistant 1.99-2.000 60 foots though.

The weather out there was just stupid wasnt it? Weird to see that kinda weather in early/mid march.

-Bedlam

[oldskoolracer]

vortech or jackson racing?

internal work done or all bolt on?

[ryanman]

vortech or jackson racing?

internal work done or all bolt on?
Ghandi's?

Jackson s/c, all stock internals.

[oldskoolracer]

another fun question?
turbo or s/c,

p.s. my wife drives this car alot.

[rmcdaniels]

another fun question?
turbo or s/c,

p.s. my wife drives this car alot.

I like my SC, my wife drives my SC Civic with no problem. She used to get scared driving my turbo RX7, but to be fair so did I. A Roots blower adds power very smoothly from idle up. You won't get the same top end as you will with a turbo, and turbo setups can be simpler and cheaper. The Jackson Racing setup making six pounds of boost is a lot of fun, just make sure you take care of fuel management first, and don't use the crappy IAT relay hack that JR provides.

[rmcdaniels]

You know there is an edit button right? ~Stu ;)

[rmcdaniels]

You know there is an edit button right? ~Stu ;)


Doh! I actually did know that, but I'm a bit scatter-brained lately. I'm giving up caffeine and my head is not right. I'm monster cranky too, this sucks.