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john
01-25-2004, 09:52 AM
My system @ home has started to act up. It's an xp2800, with 512 meg of pc2700, an geforce4 ti4200, 1 30 gig (O/S) drive, on 80 gig (data) drive, memorex CD burner, generic DVD drive, and an MSI kt4v board.

The FSB is 333 mhz, and is set in bios (to 166 mhz as there's a doubler onboard). For the past few days the box has been randomly hanging & rebooting itself. I reseated all the parts, did a low level format on my O/S drive, and after the format loaded windows XP (haven't reloaded linux yet). Once in awhile the failures give me blue screens, and once in awhile after a reboot, windows will send in a failure report to microsoft. None of the failure reports have been worth anything - "Unknown failure", etc.

I thought that perhaps the CPU was getting too hot (athlons are notorious for generating gobs of heat), so I replaced the cpu cooler just to be on the safe side. After being off all night, the box would run for about 20 minutes from being cold until it locked up or rebooted. Once it's warmed up, anywhere from 5-10 minutes. So it sounds somewhat heat related.

In my debugging, I backed the FSB speed off from 333 mhz to 266, and the box has been running for well over an hour. I believe I've got a thermal issue somewhere, and am still thinking it may be the CPU.

I'm going to swap in some RAM from the other athlon box I have here today, and turn the FSB speed back up to 333 mhz. At 266 mhz, the xp2800 reports itself as an xp2200, which is what I have in the other box (and I have a spare used 2200 sitting on a shelf somewhere).

I need to load linux back onto the box & beat the heck out of it CPU-wise to see if I can get it to fail with the FSB back at 333 mhz.

I know this is really vague, but does anyone have suggestions?

Fans in the box - I've got 2 on the rear of the tower (3 counting the power supply fan), one in the front of the box, and the onboard fan which came on the geforce video card.

Thanks. :)

djet820
01-25-2004, 10:27 AM
Which blue screen are you getting? The "system is busy" or a different one?

john
01-25-2004, 10:33 AM
"The system has been stopped because..." msgs.

djet820
01-25-2004, 10:35 AM
First I was thinking it could've been a harddrive failure but you said that you turned down FSB and it handled well for over an hour. Did it crash again after that or is it running smoothly/>

john
01-25-2004, 10:51 AM
Still running. I am going to go find some lithium grease (or whever the heat sink uses to ensure good contact with the processor) and remove/clean/reinstall the cooler.

exciv2000
01-25-2004, 12:55 PM
Use some Artic silver if possile for the heat sink/processor. Check your fans that they are running in peak performance. Get some compressed air and blow out the fan shrouds just to make sure that they aren't getting caught on dust bunnies somewhere and limiting their effectiveness. Northbridge chips tend to run very hot too, check that you have a heatsink and/or working fan on that. Lastly, I'd check for bubbles on the mobo capacitors... those can cause many hard to detect problems. Not sure if MSI boards have or had that problem, but I know that soyo and abit boards have had that problem in the past.

john
01-25-2004, 12:58 PM
I clean the boxes out once/month during "regularly scheduled maintenance". :)

Thanks for the tips, tho.

Northbridge chip? What is that?

exciv2000
01-25-2004, 01:35 PM
hmm, how to describe northbridge chip. simply put, it's just another chip on your motherboard, probably close to the processor.

More specific, Here's your motherboard:
http://www.msicomputer.com/product/detail_spec/product_detail.asp?model=KT4VL
The chip with the green heatsink that says MSI is your northbridge chip. Check the thermal paste under that too.

john
01-25-2004, 04:48 PM
Thanks. :)

DrJones
01-25-2004, 07:16 PM
Take a look at memtest86 for your ram. Nothing will find a prob with it better than this stuff. It will make it easy to rule out the ram, or see if thats your problem. It makes a floppy you can boot off of that runs some tests. Very very helpful.

john
01-25-2004, 08:18 PM
Thanks doc - I ran memtest86 3.0 one day last week for 12+ hrs, booted from a cd.

Mario
01-25-2004, 10:24 PM
John, what are your room, ambient, and CPU temperatures in celcius?

john
01-27-2004, 09:33 AM
I don't know celcius. Room temp is between 68-70. I'll have to reboot the box to get the onboard stuff from BIOS.

Mario
01-27-2004, 03:50 PM
I don't know celcius. Room temp is between 68-70. I'll have to reboot the box to get the onboard stuff from BIOS.

So room temp is about 25*c then.