almost got kicked out of LOTR, funny shit

[ryanman]

So i'm standing in line waiting to get in to the movie. There are these three dork-ass guys in front of me wearing capes and armor from like kaybee toys.
Ok, no big deal I decide to hold in the laughter but the longer I stood behind them the harder it was to contain. Eventually snickers start to leak out. They try to give me a hard look and I fucking almost fell down I started laughing so hard. The ring leader of these dorks on parade steps to me and actually threw his cape back when he did! I laughed even harder! Then out of no where the best dis I could ever have come up with popped into my head.

"Lightning bolt! Lightning Bolt!"

I almost got kicked out cause the management thought I was trying to start a fight. Thank you dorks on parade, you made my day.

[john]

*grin*

Wanna fight? I'm a dork, but I don't wear a cape. And I'm also old & slow. Bring it! :)

[ryanman]

You don't want none old man. lol 'ass:

[john]

:)

[ricewizard]

gotta love those guys , not only made your day but mine. hahahahahahah. dumb asses

[ryanman]

I'm serious it was soo funny. I was laughing soo hard because of some of the stuff they were saying. I about fell asleep during the movie because I was tired from laughing.

There must have been a few other internet doods there because after I said "Lightning Bolt , Lighning Bolt" a bunch of people were laughin their asses off. It was good.

[ricewizard]

oh yes , ALL GOOD.

[DrJones]

Ohh yea... it's so funny making fun of people who are different than you. It gives us a chance to show off how much better we are than them.

[ricewizard]

wow, you must be a doctor for sure.

[cherrybombcivic]

ooooh god, here we go....

[DrJones]

I mean come on... wearing capes in public? How screwed up can you be. You should of just beat them down right there. What gives them the right to think that's ok? Don't they know that people are going to make fun of them? I bet they don't even have cool cars. You are so much cooler than them so it is your obligation to show them that you are superior.

</sarcasm>

seriously dude what is your problem? So they have a different sense of what is cool that you. Does that make them wrong? Does it deserve making fun of them and trying to put them below you? Aren't we living in America where it is ok to think what we want? And on Earth where we should treat people with respect regardless of what they think or are doing.

I bet you these guys have been looking forward to this movie for a long time. They probably have read all the books and have had in depth discussions of it. So what if they want to dress up and see the movie. Maybe it will make it mean something more to them. What's not ok about that? What about it deserves getting laughed at?

Can you immaging what these guys would think if they saw you at the track? "What a dumb ass" "why would you spend so much money just to make your car drive faster down a straight line. All that time invested for just 12 seconds of fun, what a waste. Why not take all that money and do something worthwhile with it, or get a car that is reliable" Yet they don't show up there, and they don't make fun of you. Therefor my conclusion is

Geeks enjoying them selfs at a movie in America > you

[DrJones]

ooooh god, here we go....

Is that a reference to me? Like I would try and get a discussion going over the internet :D

Now why would I (http://www.highaltitudeimports.com/showpost.php?p=223820&postcount=51) want to go and do something like that?

[ryanman]

OMG I'm not even going to start with you Dr. Jones. It was funny as hell and I wish I would've had my camera or even a camcorder. Just listening to these guys was making alot of people laugh. Yeha they were probably wayyyyyyyyyy into it much more than me. There are different people in the world and everyone gets laughed at no matter who they are or what they do. I'm sure I get called a dumbass for making a 4cyl. motor make 600hp but I don't really give a fuck. To each there own.

[DrJones]

I'm sure I get called a dumbass for making a 4cyl. motor make 600hp but I don't really give a fuck. To each there own.

If you really feel that way then you wouldn't of been laughing at them.

If your fine with being that kind of person, than that's your proble...er.... 'decision'

[ryanman]

I hope I see them again and I will laugh again just from the memories. It was hilarious. I could care less what anyone else thinks of me because I laugh at someone.

[DrJones]

I hope I see them again and I will laugh again just from the memories. It was hilarious. I could care less what anyone else thinks of me because I laugh at someone.

Just because you don't care when someone makes fun of you doesn't mean that is how everyone feels. It also doesn't give you the right to go around doing it to people. A lot of people that age, particularlly ones that fall into the group who would dress up to see a movie, have some pretty severe problems because of how people make fun of them.

Though I'm probably speaking to a wall here, because you probly find that just as hilarious.

I bet there are a lot of people on this board who hated highschool or middle school because of how other kids perceived them. It's not so much a problem that other people are laughing at you (well partially it is that), but most of it is the fact that through their critism they (society) are basically telling you that it's not ok to be who you are, and you must conform to be like everyone else because of their pressure.

Can you imaging being that age and going through all the stuff they normally go through, then have that thrown on top of it. Not really that fun IMO.

Am I the only one here that considers others before making a decision (I really hope that's not the case... if it is I might have to move to Canada)

[David]

anybody else have the feeling he made the story up?

[ryanman]

anybody else have the feeling he made the story up?
Don't think so. :rolleyes:

[ryanman]

Yup Dr. Jones was in debate class. I'm not a debater, I'm a master baiter.

[-=[Juztin]=-]

You should of shouted: "Good knights of Maldor, it's Gandolf, look!" Then smack them upside the heads when they turned erectly in the direction you pointed...

[ryanman]

HAHAHAHAAA, lmao

[DrJones]

anybody else have the feeling he made the story up?

I doubt he would just make something up.... he might however steal it from another board.

[newt2]

You should have shouted "Good Evening Mr. Anderson" in the theater as soon as you saw Elron. :)

Dr. Jones,

Some people are just asking for it, especially people who wear costumes to the movie theater. :)

[ricewizard]

come on STUPID IS AS STUPID DOES.

[Jackrabbit]

Some people are just asking for it, especially people who wear costumes to the movie theater. :)[/QUOTE]

Truth. ^^^
My buddy wore a ghetto ass Gandolf costume to the 1st LOTR film, even he said he looked more like santa clause than the wizard. He's 6'5" and 365 pounds! Yeah I called him a dork, but he laughed. He knows he's asking for it, but he doesn't care... he thinks it's fun, and funny. That's what it's about. Now if someone laughs at you and you try to jump bad with your cape flying over your shoulder... well then you live on a different plane of reality. And you will be sorely dissapointed with what the real world will hand you... like an ass kicking. :cry:

My same buddy also dressed up as Morpheus for the latest Matrix attrocity... big, fat, white Morpheus. LOL! What a dumbass! ;NutKick; I gave him major shit about it. But like I said, he thinks it's funny. *shrug*

[HondasTrail]

Constitution says a man can dress which ever way he pleases, but the constitution also says we can make fun of the bastards to. It's a double standard the constitution is it not? Im with ryanman on this one they deserved it.

[Mario]

Who gives a shit if he made it up? I still enjoyed this thread. :)

[ryanman]

It's not made up guys. lol. Only reason I went is with my g/f because she is into LOTR.

[02AccordV6]

pretty funny. there were two middles chool aged girls behind us on opening night, dressed as hobbits.

[garria]

u all suck big fat mother fuckin balls!!! j/k but i like those movies and i will never dress up in a costume for that or make fun of other people because i have been on both sides of the road.

[ryanman]

I wasn't making fun of anyone. I was just laughing at them. makes sense huh?

[SpeedStar91]

Makes total sense that you would laugh ryanman. Hell I laughed hard too after reading the story. I could only imagine being there. To me the intention is not to hurt their feelings or condescend on them, but b/c it is just funny. know hwat i'm saying doc jones? Its like watching snl with will farrel. just plain funny.

[DrJones]

First of all... I don't see how anyone can "deserve" treatment like that. If they are doing it just to get laughs or whatever, then that is fine. But unless you spoke with them about it and heard that from them first hand, then you have no idea what their motives were, and shouldn't make assumptions about it. I don't think anyone deserves that kind of treatment if they aren't asking for it, but I guess we just have different levels of maturity when it comes to that kind of thing.

Yes you can laugh at someone just because they are funny, and not have any "intention" of hurting their feelings. However, if i've tried to make one point during this whole thing it's that (in contrary to what some of you believe) when you make a decision you aren't the only one affected. You can make your assumptions about how that decision affects other people, but just because you make assumptions doesn't mean that is how the people really feel.

I don't think "I wasn't trying to hurt their feelings" is an ok argument in this case, it might of been 100% the truth, but that doesn't make it right. The reason is because even if you didn't intend it, you still might of.

When I went to see the movie (first showing at the continental, probably one of the biggest showings of the year), there were lots of people dressed up. Including one person who was dressed as elvis. My guess is that he was just doing it for the attention and didn't mind if people laughed. However I doubt that was the motivation of the other people there. My guess is they dressed up because this movie meant a lot to them, and they want to expierence it in a way that they will remember. I really doubt they appreciate being laughed at for that, regardless of what your intentions were.

It's probably just a reminder to them (as this thread was to me) of how many self absorbed inconsiderate assholes there are out there.

[LeonZ]

whatever. as if they didn't realize people would laugh at them :rolleyes:. if they decided to do what they did, i'm sure they were aware of the "consequences", such as people laughing at them.

[djet820]

Everybody has their own opinion...I would've laughed too.


I'm going to dress up when I go see the movie now. :D

[DrJones]

whatever. as if they didn't realize people would laugh at them :rolleyes:. if they decided to do what they did, i'm sure they were aware of the "consequences", such as people laughing at them.

Not everyone chooses to act a certain way or do a certain thing simply because of how it will make other people react to them. Some people do things because it's who they are, not because it's who they think they should be.

[DrJones]

Everybody has their own opinion...I would've laughed too.


I'm going to dress up when I go see the movie now. :D

That doesn't make it the right decision.

I'm happy that you feel you can express yourself in the way that you want without having to worry about what other people will do. Some people are not so fortunate.

[Ashton]

wtf no movie theatre would kick someone out for starting a fight.... do you know how fucking boring it is at the movies? plus last time there was a fight the cop got into it cuz the dumb ass wouldnt stop swinging at the cop. hahaha i love saturdays.

[djet820]

That doesn't make it the right decision.

I'm happy that you feel you can express yourself in the way that you want without having to worry about what other people will do. Some people are not so fortunate.


I dance weird...I don't really have any skills yet I still do it. It seems as if they cared too much about what other people thought of them. If they did what they wanted to do, then they shouldn't worry about what other people perceive them as, mostly if they have their own "cool". But obviously they didn't have their own "cool", if anything they were just attention whores.

[DrJones]

I dance weird...I don't really have any skills yet I still do it. It seems as if they cared too much about what other people thought of them. If they did what they wanted to do, then they shouldn't worry about what other people perceive them as, mostly if they have their own "cool". But obviously they didn't have their own "cool", if anything they were just attention whores.

Obviously none of us can correctly predict what their thoughts and intentions were.

However, I can tell you this, if it was me, I would think that this is the 21st century in America, I should be able to go to a movie with my friends, and expierence it in a way that I want to, and not have to worry about being criticized and laughed at by other people just so they can make themselves feel better by making up for something they are lacking. I'm obviously comfortable enough with myself to be able to go to a movie like that, so why can't people be comfortable enough with themselves to let me?

I know quite a few people who would fit into the group of people that would do this (I do go to Mines afterall). I'd have to say that they probably wish the same thing. They don't make fun of you for going to the movies dressed as you are, so why should it be any different for them?

It's ok to not understand why they do it. But why do you guys feel that that gives you a right, or the obligation to do something about it? What is wrong with them just enjoying the movie the way they want to. They are letting you do so, couldn't you show them the same courtesy?

[djet820]

Obviously none of us can correctly predict what their thoughts and intentions were.

However, I can tell you this, if it was me, I would think that this is the 21st century in America, I should be able to go to a movie with my friends, and expierence it in a way that I want to, and not have to worry about being criticized and laughed at by other people just so they can make themselves feel better by making up for something they are lacking. I'm obviously comfortable enough with myself to be able to go to a movie like that, so why can't people be comfortable enough with themselves to let me?

I know quite a few people who would fit into the group of people that would do this (I do go to Mines afterall). I'd have to say that they probably wish the same thing. They don't make fun of you for going to the movies dressed as you are, so why should it be any different for them?

It's ok to not understand why they do it. But why do you guys feel that that gives you a right, or the obligation to do something about it? What is wrong with them just enjoying the movie the way they want to. They are letting you do so, couldn't you show them the same courtesy?

I've had people that dressed in costumes laugh at me because of the way I dressed, did I care? No. They laughed at me because I like to dress clean (my opinion). So they're at the same level as "we" are. And since you know it's the 21st century, then you should know people have their own opinion and people are assholes. So you should expect to get laughed at or have people talking behind your back. It's the 21st century right? People are always critisizing everybody else about how they dress, how they talk, how they walk and so on. So if I was them, I would've just enjoyed the movie and not care what anybody else thinks. But I'm not them so I don't really care.

[ryanman]

Well since you guys turned this into a debate i'm gonna delete and restart.

[ryanman]

Well damnit I acn't edit and delete, FAWK.


Dr. Jones, we don't give a fuck.

[CT9A]

Not taking sides, just want to give my .02.

I think that if you're going to go anywhere in public, whether it's a movie theatre or not and you're dressed like that, than common sense says that you will attract attention. If you're not suited to handle this type of attention, then don't dress like that.

I tell my cousin the same thing. He gets pissed when he's followed around stores and such, but the way that he's dressed, what do you expect? Anyone "mobbing" through a store with their pants around their ass cheeks and clothes that look like they belong to his older fatter brother is probably going to attract attention, good and bad.

I really didn't see Ryanman's actions as that of being a dick. If I recall correctly, he tried to hold back the laughter. Some people find things funny that others just don't. Humor is in the eye of the beholder. For instance, my brother loves the show Jack Ass. He finds it hillarious, I don't see the humor in it. To me it's obnoxious. Neither of us are wrong in our opinions, just different views of what's funny. Ryanman holding back his laughter as long as he could is more then what most of the people I know would have done.

[ryanman]

And I was holding it back just fine until they started acting out shit that they "thought" would be in the movie. Only reason I started laughing at all. I could care less how they were dressed, I wasn't laughing at that at all, just the stuff they were doing. Maybe I didn't state that clearly enough earlier?

[DrJones]

Dr. Jones, we don't give a fuck.

I think that's pretty obvious. It's also exactly why I keep sharing my thoughts. Part of it is to see if I can't help you in seeing why respecting people is so important, and the other reason is to try and get more insight into why you don't give a fuck.

I don't see how people in today's world can be so self-obsessed and be completly happy with it. Then again the cause is probably in the reason.

Usually just the fact with people are ok with feeling a certain way, is more repulsive than the way that they feel. It's like people thinking racism is ok because white people are better, and seeing that as a perfectly sound argument. I guess not everyone can draw the parellels that I can.

I won't (nor can) hold what you think or how you feel against you. I can however try and help you see how imature it is to think that way.

With that being said... a lot of you have made points along the lines of "they should of expected it" or "It's legal to make fun of them" or "It wasn't ment to be harmfull" or "If you don't want that kind of negative attention don't do it"

I know that not everyone has the background (or interest) that I do in logic and reasoning, but these are not valid arguments. They do not come up with an answer for the fundamental question that I have been getting at. No one has been able to give me a valid answer, so let me state it for you.

Just because people will do this kind of thing, or they can legally do it, doesn't make it right

You can say that they should come to expect this kind of behaviour, and that they shouldn't do it if they can't handle it... but that doesn't justify it by any means.

What is it that makes you think that this kind of behavior is acceptable? Does anyone have a valid answer to this question?

If it's legal, that doesn't mean it's ok. If it's what happens, that doesn't mean it's ok. If you think you have the right to do it just because, that doesn't make it ok.

So what makes it ok for this to happen? What gives you the right to treat someone with such disrespect when they are just there to enjoy a movie? Why can't you sit and watch the movie and enjoy it without disrespecting others? That's what they are doing.

[DrJones]

And I was holding it back just fine until they started acting out shit that they "thought" would be in the movie. Only reason I started laughing at all. I could care less how they were dressed, I wasn't laughing at that at all, just the stuff they were doing. Maybe I didn't state that clearly enough earlier?

I really don't think there is much difference in laughing at them because of how they were dressed, or laughing at them because of what they were doing.

Either way they were just there to enjoy the movie in the way that they choose to. I don't see how that should have anything to do with you anyway. Why not just let them do their thing?

Yes you may of found it funny, but again, that doesn't really justify it. why did you find it funny. My guess is that you were thinking how strange it was that people would come to a movie and do something like that and think that it was cool. It wasn't what they were doing that was funny, it was that they were actually doing it.

If they were acting out comical scenes and putting on a show for everyone in line so that everyone could enjoy a good laugh, than that's a different issue. But I don't realy think that is what was going on.

If it was just a funny act then why would this occur?

The ring leader of these dorks on parade steps to me and actually threw his cape back when he did!

If they were there to get laughs, or didn't mind getting them, I don't think he would of "steped to you". Also just the fact that you called them "dorks on parade" kind of shows how you feel about them in general.

In my opinion the laughing isn't even the problem here, it's the lack of respect to someone that you don't know, simply because they are expressing themselves in a way that they want to.

Prejudice -

2 a (1) : preconceived judgment or opinion (2) : an adverse opinion or leaning formed without just grounds or before sufficient knowledge b : an instance of such judgment or opinion c : an irrational attitude of hostility directed against an individual, a group, a race, or their supposed characteristics

Sorry for having such a strong feeling against this type of behaviour, and for feeling the need to express myself over it.

[ryanman]

If you think I'm prejudice against anyone, you can kiss my white ass. I had no problem with THEM, I was just laughing at the stuff they were doing because it was funny and dumb (to me) at the same time. Do you know Dr Phil?

[djet820]

aww come on dr jones...I want ad ebate, argue with me

[DrJones]

If you think I'm prejudice against anyone, you can kiss my white ass. I had no problem with THEM, I was just laughing at the stuff they were doing because it was funny and dumb (to me) at the same time. Do you know Dr Phil?

Yes I do think that. I posted the definition there for you. I don't see where in that definition it says anything about prejudice is having a 'problem' with them.

The definition of prejudice (as stated in the definition) is to have preconceived judgment or opinion against someone without just grounds or before sufficient knowledge.

That is the definition, it's what it is.

From what you have said, in your posts (your not the only one) you do have preconceived opinion against them. "dorks on parade", "three dork-ass guys ", "best dis I could ever have come up with ". I think that qualifies as not only having, but expressing your preconceived opinion. You obviously didn't know these people, and based your judgment based on what you saw them wearing, and how they acted... which is not "just grounds"

So therefore, yes, you were prejudice against them. You can't really argue that. It's the definition of the word. You might of not had the ammount of hatred for them that is normally associated with the word, but by the definition, you were prejudice.

I don't think I can't break it down any more for you.

[ryanman]

OMG will you ever stop? jeez

[DrJones]

aww come on dr jones...I want ad ebate, argue with me

This topic is getting a little old. However if you would like to pick a new one I would be more than happy to do so.

I learn a lot from debates, I usually don't do it to try and prove a point, because 99% of the time you won't. It's more what you can personally get out of it. If you want to pick a controversial topic dealing with events happening today (these moral based debates can get a little tense) than I would really enjoy having a debate with you (and others). I'll even let you pick what side you want me to argue. It doesn't have to be something boring about politics or whatever, I'll let you choose the topic. :)

[ryanman]

I haven't gotten anything outta this thread.

[DrJones]

OMG will you ever stop? jeez

It sounds like you are starting to get pissed at what I am saying. I'm not sure why you have such a problem with how other people think. But, yes, I will stop expressing my thoughts to you. However if other people ask me to then I will. (I promise I won't force you to read them)

However if you can find a flaw in my logic, feel free to point it out. I can't think of everything, and I am not always correct (in this thread way more people disagree with me than agree). So if you see a problem please point it out.

"No ammount of men can make me right, but it only takes one person to prove me wrong"
-Einstein.

Note: I hope you don't take my thoughts as a personal attack on you, they weren't meant to be so. I will try and debate just about any argument thrown at me, and you just happened to throw quite a few. I wasn't trying to single you out by any means. My words were directed at anyone who is willing to listen to them.

[littlemath]

I haven't gotten anything outta this thread.

How fucking dense can you be.
I just got through reading this and realized how I want to (just because I recently learned I CAN.... capitalist America) sue for that time lost out of my life.

Are you guys looking for enlightenment by spending your time on this post? Good fucking luck. How bout in racing cars, Ryan? Or you just looking to distract yourself from reality long enough that you won't even notice that you're dying, dying, dead.

You know, you're going to laugh at those kids who were dressed up in outfits, but I'm going to say fuck that and fuck you for even wanting to start a conversation about that. Is that what you do with your time? Don't you have school or a 40-hour-work-week job to go to instead to pay the bills (80% being car payments for something you only think will compensate for a small penis)?

I hope you had a good laugh out of those kids. Now that the laughing's over--you wondering why you thought it was funny? Is it funny because you've been sucked into the meld of Amerimanity where GWB has trained you that anything that is different is stupid (or what was your word--oh yeah... funny). That's hilarious.

Good job for starting the threat. And you know what, happy New Year's. I was thinking of a resolution for you.

A to the C to the CEP to the T and the ANCE.

Cause you can say you're laughing. All in good humor. But you laugh too hard, though, and your twin towers are gonna fall man.

[LeonZ]

stfu. lets make a 5 page thread, debating on how important it is pick your nose.

[ryanman]

OMG some of you people get worked up over the smallest shit. KISS MY ASS.

[ryanman]

It sounds like you are starting to get pissed at what I am saying. I'm not sure why you have such a problem with how other people think. But, yes, I will stop expressing my thoughts to you. However if other people ask me to then I will. (I promise I won't force you to read them)

However if you can find a flaw in my logic, feel free to point it out. I can't think of everything, and I am not always correct (in this thread way more people disagree with me than agree). So if you see a problem please point it out.

"No ammount of men can make me right, but it only takes one person to prove me wrong"
-Einstein.

Note: I hope you don't take my thoughts as a personal attack on you, they weren't meant to be so. I will try and debate just about any argument thrown at me, and you just happened to throw quite a few. I wasn't trying to single you out by any means. My words were directed at anyone who is willing to listen to them.
I'm not getting pissed at all. I could care less. I don't think you ahve attacked me at all in any way, shape or form, I like to just get to the point about stuff instead of talking about it for 10 years.

[stu]

Oh Jesus Christ. Here I thought that this thread was pretty kind of dumb, but then someone (of course) had to go and blame the President for it. Fuck, is there anything in the whole entire world that hasn't happened all because of one guy? Talk about needing to wake the hell up.

Dr. Jones: I think that if Ryan would have laughed at little kids, no one would have said anything because people laugh at the antics of little kids all the time. But the fact that he told the part about the "best insult" really fueled the whole debate.

[ryanman]

How fucking dense can you be.
I just got through reading this and realized how I want to (just because I recently learned I CAN.... capitalist America) sue for that time lost out of my life. Sue me if you'd like. You want my address for the court papers? pm me



Is that what you do with your time? Don't you have school or a 40-hour-work-week job to go to instead to pay the bills (80% being car payments for something you only think will compensate for a small penis)? No it's not what I do with my time. I could care less how other people are and how they dress, act, etc. I have a good job and make PLENTY of money to pay for my toys. Didn't know a 10" dick was small either.

I hope you had a good laugh out of those kids. Now that the laughing's over--you wondering why you thought it was funny? Is it funny because you've been sucked into the meld of Amerimanity where GWB has trained you that anything that is different is stupid (or what was your word--oh yeah... funny). That's hilarious.WTF?

Good job for starting the threat. And you know what, happy New Year's. I was thinking of a resolution for you.

A to the C to the CEP to the T and the ANCE.

Cause you can say you're laughing. All in good humor. But you laugh too hard, though, and your twin towers are gonna fall man.
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[ryanman]

Dr. Jones: I think that if Ryan would have laughed at little kids, no one would have said anything because people laugh at the antics of little kids all the time. But the fact that he told the part about the "best insult" really fueled the whole debate.
They weren't little kids. They were probably older than me.

[stu]

No, I know, I was just saying that it's okay to laugh at little kids but not adults.

[ryanman]

oh, ok.

[-=[Juztin]=-]

DrJones, In only this thread I'm against you and say:

Your self-degrading and ill pointed argument to ryanman is making even baby jesus cry cause it's so irrelevant since you have the humor complex of the borg in star trek. IE you will be assimilated.

Please take the ass out of assimilated in how your coming across just by arguing and trying to degrade ryanman by obviously outright judging him without being able to comprehend the humor in laughing at LOTR buffs. It's a fad, just like talking high class and educated to make people look up to you.

Just a thought...

[john]

*snicker*

You guys kill me - really you do..

[ricewizard]

dear Dr.Jones lets just say once upon at time some chick decided to marry you and the two of you had a beutiful baby girl , you love this girl with all your heart for 16 wonderful years. then one night she says, dad im going on my first date tonight and i would love for you to meet him, so the doorbell rings and you open the door to a 19 year old dress like gandolf wanting to take your daughter out and watch a movie. now would you let her go , or would you think like the rest of us, that there is something not quite right with this guy, and tell him im not going to let my daughter go out with you.
ryanman did what every "NORMAL" person would do . so get a grip.

hey ryan, do you know what dr jones looks like dressed as gandolf? maybe it was him!

[newt2]

It's like people thinking racism is ok because white people are better, and seeing that as a perfectly sound argument.

It's not like that at all. What color your skin is is something you have no control over. You were born that way.

How you act and how you dress are things that are well within everyones control. It's perfectly fair to critisize/poke fun at things that poeple do that are their choice.

I don't know where this idea that everyone should feel good about themselves all the time and nobody should critisize anyone for anything comes from, but it's BS. People do not have a right to feel comfortable all the time and they don't have a right to be accepted by everyone in the world despite the fact that they're a freak. If a person wants to be accepted by the rest of society, it's that persons responsibility to fit in. It's not everyone else's responsibility to make a niche for every freak and nerd on the planet.

[exciv2000]

If a person wants to be accepted by the rest of society, it's that persons responsibility to fit in. It's not everyone else's responsibility to make a niche for every freak and nerd on the planet.

You and I are so on the same wavelength with this. I wanted to say something about "social contract" and "societal acceptance," just hadn't worded in my head just right yet, but you nailed it. Once again, Newt2 ownz the argument! :)

[DrJones]

It's not like that at all. What color your skin is is something you have no control over. You were born that way.

How you act and how you dress are things that are well within everyones control. It's perfectly fair to critisize/poke fun at things that poeple do that are their choice.

I don't know where this idea that everyone should feel good about themselves all the time and nobody should critisize anyone for anything comes from, but it's BS. People do not have a right to feel comfortable all the time and they don't have a right to be accepted by everyone in the world despite the fact that they're a freak. If a person wants to be accepted by the rest of society, it's that persons responsibility to fit in. It's not everyone else's responsibility to make a niche for every freak and nerd on the planet.

I think you are totally missing my point on the racism thing (maybe I didn't word it well enough). I wasn't drawing a parallel between making fun of these kids is like racism. I was trying to make the point, that to me, just the fact that people are ok with their racism, is worse to me then the actual fact that they hate a certain race. I think if you go back and read that part you will see that this is what I am getting at.

What makes it "perfectly fair to critisize" these people? You state this like it is the truth, but don't give any good reasoning to show that it is proper. Again, just because you say it's so, doesn't mean that it's acceptable. "They have controll over that stuff" also wouldn't be a very strong argument (i'll start saying this rather than saying 'invalid')

The rest of your post comes closer to answering my question than anyone else has (though I don't think anyone has nailed it yet).

From what I can gather, you are saying that when it comes to the issue of things that people have control over (like how they dress) it is acceptable to treat them this way, because there is nothing that gives them the right to always be comfortable or accepted. Therefor it is 'ok' for people to make fun of them, because it doesn't violate any kind of right. Is that an accurate summary?

So really what you are saying, is that it's not necessarily ok in a sense that it's the right thing to do, but more that it's ok because it's not the wrong thing?

This is probably the best argument that has come up so far (thank you for bringing it up, I was almost tempted to start ignoring this thread). By itself your logic is not wrong. However, I wouldn't say it's a very strong arugment either. Proving that something isn't, is usually weaker than proving that something is. ie here, showing that it is not wrong, isn't quite as powerfull as showing that it is right.

I will accept this as "an answer," but not as "the answer". Unless you can prove this to me more.

However, that might be difficult, since the basis of your argument (as is mine) is based on personal beliefs. Which are always hard to prove one way or another. I agree with you 100%, that there isn't really anything that gives people the right to always be comfortable or "accepted". Thus, supporting that part of your argument.

However, I also believe, that no one has the right to make someone uncomfortable (in this sense). I also believe that even if someone doesn't accept someone, that doesn't mean they are above them, or should do anything negative against that person. These views don't come from it being a violation of everyone being comfortable (because we already established that that is ok), but more from the side that people can only determine their own beliefs, and everyone is free to do this, thus no one is really correct outside of themselves, so no one is above anyone else (we are all doing what we think is right). Thus, everyone has the fundamental right to be shown respect (showing disrespect is putting one person 'above' the other).

I hope I made that clear (if not I can elaborate). These beliefs then can be used to show, that while it not be completly wrong to do that to people because you are making them uncomfortable or not accepting them, it also isn't right because you are showing them disrespect, and trying to put them below you, and you have no right to do so (or so I believe). Just because he is dressed like a hobbit doesn't automatically mean that you are a better person. Infact, if you disrespect him just for that, than I would say that he is the better person, because he is still respecting you.

While people don't necessarily have the right to be accepted by everyone, I do think that people should be able to go out and be who they want to be, without having to worry about negative backlash from other people. Not everyone may accept them, but that doesn't really give them a right to do anything about it. Really both sides are correct, because neither can prove or disprove the other, since they are based on the individual thoughts and beliefs. People are free to think what they want (can you agree with me on that?). Therefore it's not that one side is wrong, or that both sides are wrong, but that both sides are right. They can feel how they feel, and you can feel how you feel, but since one is not more right than the othere, neither side has the right to disrespect the other. I know this is a hard point to understand for a lot of people, and very few people agree with me, since they believe there is once set of rules above everyone. If that's the case, that's fine, using this idea, you are correct, and so am I :D

I'm not sure we can really argue this point, since my beliefs are different than yours (and I think just about everyone else here). I do tend to lean more towards everyone should be happy all the time. I'm not sure I can convince you of that (or if you can convince me of otherwise).

Now we are (finally) getting to the point where the arguments are based in core fundamental beliefs that can't be proven to be correct or false (though they can be supported).

It's nice to have a few people on the board who can formulate and express their ideas.

One last note, to the people who think I am simply trying to call Ryanman a racist and personally attacking him or whatever, you kind of need to go back and read things. That's not what I'm doing at all. I was simply showing him that his behavior was demonstrating prejudice.

I took the definition of prejudice, and then used the facts to fit the definition. It doesn't get much more simple than that. I don't think you can really argue against this point at all. If what you do fits the definition of a word, then you are doing what ever that word happens to be.

Many people have a very negative thought about prejudice, with very strong ties to racism. They are not the same thing, though I feel they are both negative and similiar ideas. I am not implying that all he also shares all the other negativity that goes with the word, I am just showing that this in this event, he was being prejudice.

[-=[Juztin]=-]

I took the natural free thing in life called humor, used the facts to fit the definition, and I laughed my ass off at ryan's post. Would I dress up as some ring of the lords person, yea I would, why? Because I'm sure someone will get a kick out of it. There's more to life than logic, and action/reaction wrapped up into perception. Get out a little more bro, loose the borg mentality. Don't concentrate on if that girl's hair strand is bent due to the gravitational forces influenced through a quantum chaotic event horizon, check out the eyes, lips, boob's 'n hips! Sometime's you look at life a little too seriously, if you pay too much attention to detail, you'll never see the big picture...

[ryanman]

Cliffnotes on Dr. Jones post? anyone?

[DrJones]

=-']I took the natural free thing in life called humor, used the facts to fit the definition, and I laughed my ass off at ryan's post. Would I dress up as some ring of the lords person, yea I would, why? Because I'm sure someone will get a kick out of it. There's more to life than logic, and action/reaction wrapped up into perception. Get out a little more bro, loose the borg mentality. Don't concentrate on if that girl's hair strand is bent due to the gravitational forces influenced through a quantum chaotic event horizon, check out the eyes, lips, boob's 'n hips! Sometime's you look at life a little too seriously, if you pay too much attention to detail, you'll never see the big picture...

If you dressed up like that and did it just to put some enjoyment in peoples lives, and wanted people to laugh at you (to make them happier) then that's ok. I'd have nothing against that. I'd even join you. I love making people happy.

I have no problem with doing something that's not logic, action/reaction and all that. However, if you think for one moment that I can not look at gravitational forces and chaotic events, then you are wrong. Have you ever hung out with guys from Mines? Serioulsy, i'm telling 100% the truth here, we can not have a conversation without math/physics/chemestry comming into play. It's just what we do... if you don't like it fine... but we will continue being the geeks we are :Peace:

If your in a car with a bunch of Mines guys, never bring something up like "I wonder if road temperature or tire pressure has a greater impact on acceleration" Because you will get a 30 minute technical discussion that you don't want to hear. It will go into physics, chemistry, math, economics (cost/benefit), and everything else.

I have no problem with 'relaxing' a little and having some fun. I just have beliefs that I put above myself (everyone deserves respect). To me, having a little bit of fun isn't worth violating that rule. There are plenty of things I can do to have fun without offending someone, so I'm not going to offend someone just for a few moments of joy. I don't think it's ok to ruin someone elses day, just to make mine a little better. That's just me though.

[-=[Juztin]=-]

Cliffnotes on Dr. Jones post? anyone?

"Did you grab my ass?" that's all I could shorten it up to, sorry man :cheers:

[-=[Juztin]=-]

"I just have beliefs that I put above myself ..."

I believe, respect and can see that, but it's also disrespectful to disturb the peace of an otherwise funny thread. Peace! :cheers:

Either way have a happy new years man, same with you Ryan! If you guys can make it, stop by the party (you got 10 hrs to drive up here Ryan lol) :cheers:

[DrJones]

Cliffnotes on Dr. Jones post? anyone?

nice argument newt, nothing really wrong with it, could prove the point better. It's based on personal beliefs, mine include yours, but also think that no one is above anyone else, everyone deserves respect. You don't have to accept that person, but you don't have the right to disrespect them.

or cliffnotes on the cliffnotes: that's ok for you but not quite for me

[DrJones]

=-']I just have beliefs that I put above myself ...

I believe, respect and can see that, but it's also disrespectful to disturb the peace of an otherwise funny thread. Peace! :cheers:

Can't we also have a funny thread that isn't disrespectfull?

[-=[Juztin]=-]

Not quite because there's always going to be the person on the receiving end, action / reaction ;-)

[exciv2000]

I wouldn't say you have "the answer" you just have "an answer" Dr. Jones which is based upon your opinion which is also quite different than most people's opinions in this thread. You said that you like to debate as long as you can learn something from it, but it sounds to me like you're fighting to win, not fighting to learn. Fighting to learn I believe would require more open minded discussions on your part. Don't get me wrong, I'm not dissin' you, just stating an opinion of my observations.

[DrJones]

=-']Not quite because there's always going to be the person on the receiving end, action / reaction ;-)

Not if it's one of Stu's, his are funny without being hurtfull... and that is his goal so us laughing isn't disrespectfull.

So if this discussion concluded anything, it's that Stu needs to post more.

That was all worth it IMO

[-=[Juztin]=-]

Yea he is an anomaly lol

Stu! Come to the party, there'll be some Grey Goose waiting for you lol 'burnout:

[DrJones]

I wouldn't say you have "the answer" you just have "an answer" Dr. Jones which is based upon your opinion which is also quite different than most people's opinions in this thread. You said that you like to debate as long as you can learn something from it, but it sounds to me like you're fighting to win, not fighting to learn. Fighting to learn I believe would require more open minded discussions on your part. Don't get me wrong, I'm not dissin' you, just stating an opinion of my observations.

I agree 100%, it probably come off like I am continually pressing my point to convince everyone else that it is "the answer". That's kind of the paradox with thinking the way I do. Because thinking that way would make it ok to feel how ever you feel, and I do admit that sometimes I try and get people to see it my way. I'd like to belive that everyone can have their ideas, and still respect everyone elses, but sadly that doesn't seem to hold up in practice. So yes, part of it (like the posts where I get more emotional) are to try and explain why I feel the way I do, in hopes of getting you to do the same. Not to change your core beliefs, but just to get you to accept others. At the same time it can also be going against my beliefs by not just being 100% comfortable with how you allready feel on this subject.

So yes, at times my motivation might of been to show you that tollerence is propper, but then again, i'm not trying to change your core beliefs. Just to try and get you to see that you can have your own, and still accept everyone elses. No one really has the authority to tell anyone else that they are wrong in these kind of things. But, I don't think it's wrong to try and make the world a better place by adding a little more respect and acceptance. I don't think it has to take anything away from anything else, it's a win-win situation.

That wasn't the whole motivation though. I know from expierence that I'm not going to change how people think, if anything i'm just going to piss them off enough to where they hold onto it more. So in a way I know that any goals I have of doing that are basically hopeless.

I think i've been really open minded, even though I don't come off that way. I don't type everything I think, and a lot of the time what I type doesn't make that much sense. Just part of what I believe is that everyone is able to believe what they do. That's why I don't really think anyone is wrong. Because it's all kind of biased based on the person. I don't have to agree with what you think, but I can't hold it against you.

I am 'fighting to learn' as you put it though. Every little argument people make (some more than others) gives me more insight into how other people think. While a lot of the times I kind of have an idea of what someones ideas are, I don't have a way of wording them. Then someone like newt2 comes in and very intelegently puts it into words I can agree with. Like where he said he believes people in society don't really have a right to always be accepted or comfortable. I didn't even know I agreed with that (just never thought about it) untill he stated it. So yes, I am learning quite a bit.

Also as has been brought up, I do like to debate, just for the sake of debating. I also don't know when to quit. As long as people keep responding to my comments, and throwing the ball back in my court, I will continue to come up with something to pass it back over to you guys. I don't really get tired of it, and it seems like things can usually go a far way before progress stops being made. Plus each pass of the ball helps the other side to understand their own point a little better as well as understanding the other sides.

Clifnotes (for ryan): So in short, some of my posts might of been posted with more emotion than I would of liked, when I was thinking "How can these people not see that they don't make sense!", really I know that no one is going to change, so overall my motivation is just to learn a littlebit about myself and others, and just plain to have something to do while I spend my hours drifting around the 'net.

[ryanman]

=-']

Either way have a happy new years man, same with you Ryan! If you guys can make it, stop by the party (you got 10 hrs to drive up here Ryan lol) :cheers:
It's a 16 hr drive. :cry:

[DrJones]

=-']
Either way have a happy new years man, same with you Ryan! If you guys can make it, stop by the party (you got 10 hrs to drive up here Ryan lol) :cheers:

Might I remind everyone to be very respectfull of other people tonight. (Translation: Don't drink and drive)

[ryanman]

I don't drink. I dunno what the hell I'm doing tonight. Take out the GTA and go cruisin.

[newt2]

Cliffnotes on Dr. Jones post? anyone?

It's just about a page long.... c'mon people. :)

Basically Dr. Jones thinks that we should all be happy as often as possible and we shouldn't do things to hurt anyone's feelings. While I applaud the idealism I think that a world where everyone was nice all the time would be extremely boring.

[damian9669]

Holy jesus.I cant believe this thread has gone on for so long.Hey doc give it a rest will ya.Stop trying to preach to everyone.Reality is harsh and the world is a cold place.If you dont have or develop thick skin you wont make it.
I would have laughed at those pansies too.

[ricewizard]

yea,you and me both, holy crap that dr jones is one anal vapor, get over it.

[Ashton]

what???? its only 3 pages for me.... but thats with a buncha posts per page.

[ryanman]

Hahahhahaa, anal vapor, LMFAO.

[Bedlam]

Personally, I admire people who get that excited about things..I'd maybe laugh and have fun WITH them..but not chastize them for doing something different. Maybe I'll go to every movie dressed up as the main character from now on! :)

-Bedlam

[DrJones]

Personally, I admire people who get that excited about things..I'd maybe laugh and have fun WITH them..but not chastize them for doing something different. Maybe I'll go to every movie dressed up as the main character from now on! :)

-Bedlam

remind me not to go see the next Laura Croft movie with you.....

[Bedlam]

remind me not to go see the next Laura Croft movie with you.....

I know some pretty cute girls that could take my place for those sorts of movies. Your sister busy..I think she could make a nice Laura Croft. ;)

-Bedlam

[forum]

I know some pretty cute girls that could take my place for those sorts of movies. Your sister busy..I think she could make a nice Laura Croft. ;)

-Bedlam
I think I like that idea :)

[SinisterWRX]

anybody have that link where that insult dog goes to a Star Wars convention? please post.

[SleeperZ]

It's just about a page long.... c'mon people. :)

Basically Dr. Jones thinks that we should all be happy as often as possible and we shouldn't do things to hurt anyone's feelings. While I applaud the idealism I think that a world where everyone was nice all the time would be extremely boring.

I'd like to add a point that I have insight into. And it's just my opinion. I don't believe that feelings or respect can be bestowed; ie - just because you disrespect someone doesn't mean the person has to take it that way, or "feel" bad as a result. To feel disrespected is a personal choice.

Who cares if Ryanman laughed at those guys disrepectfully? If they got upset as a result, too bad - they get to deal with it.