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Slava
11-14-2003, 12:03 PM
Just go it so far its pretty good.

tsitim
11-14-2003, 12:06 PM
haha 'New 2 Pac CD'
incase you didnt notice hes dead and gaY ;)

exciv2000
11-14-2003, 12:06 PM
haha 'New 2 Pac CD'
incase you didnt notice hes dead and gaY ;)
:werd:

Dustin
11-14-2003, 01:35 PM
no shit, how many songs can a dead guy make?

DrJones
11-14-2003, 01:40 PM
anyone get the G-Unit cd yet? Or Jayz?

Kwando
11-14-2003, 02:31 PM
He's have more number 1 singles/albums than when he was alive.

garria
11-14-2003, 02:58 PM
ya suck he aint dead. i rekon ya hims adrinking thems fancy drinks in thems beutiful parts of of of........ ya know thems witchem ya call em? chuks i forgot hhhh mmmm der (spit)(ding) into a can

LeonZ
11-14-2003, 02:59 PM
ya suck he aint dead. i rekon ya hims adrinking thems fancy drinks in thems beutiful parts of of of........ ya know thems witchem ya call em? chuks i forgot hhhh mmmm der (spit)(ding) into a can


;ScratchHe

garria
11-14-2003, 03:05 PM
no offense it is suupose to be red neck talk

garria
11-14-2003, 03:06 PM
why? i dont why i did it may be i was bored

Jai SI
11-14-2003, 03:14 PM
Tupac is not gay.

Slava
11-14-2003, 03:21 PM
G-Unit CD is dissapointnig. Jay Z is ok.

Mario
11-14-2003, 04:19 PM
Not too much of a rap fan... some of the music is actually ok to pump, but I am not too big a fan of it as a whole. Trance all the way. :D

exciv2000
11-14-2003, 04:53 PM
Not too much of a rap fan... some of the music is actually ok to pump, but I am not too big a fan of it as a whole. Trance all the way. :D

:werd: again.

DrJones
11-14-2003, 05:12 PM
I think the consistant release of Tupac's stuff since he has died speaks a lot for him. Some may say it's 'gay' but think about it... Obviously all this stuff was recorded when he was still alive. He didn't just create new stuff every 12 months to keep the funds comming in like most artists did. He was a poet (you should read some of his poems) who was constantly recording and creating new material. He wasn't in it for the money like Today's artists are. He also was very very tallented in many ways (again in contrast to today's trend).

For the people somewhat bashing on him... just think of him as the hip hop communities Kurt Cobain.

Brian
11-14-2003, 05:19 PM
Tupac has had some awesome music. I'm definetly going to have to grab a copy of his new cd. I got the new 50 cent cd about a week or so ago. Some decent songs. The one I really like is called porno star, but it isn't on his new cd. I also downloaded the ludacris cd and the obie trice cd. Both are pretty good.

David
11-14-2003, 05:39 PM
its kind of like '10 rules for dating my teenage daughter' show sucked until that guy died, now everybody likes it.

But I herd since he died they are changine the name to '10 ways to sleep with my teenage daughter now that daddy's gone' (herd that somewhere, thought it was funny)

Jai SI
11-14-2003, 06:14 PM
Well, kinda like that, but people were fans of Tupac way before he died too. John Ritter was pretty funny too.

Brian
11-14-2003, 06:42 PM
I listened to tupac growing up far before he died. Definetly a tallented rapper for his day.

2000SiVTEC
11-14-2003, 07:47 PM
I loved tupac. he has some of the best rap songs ever, even when he was alive. IMO he and biggie were the best rappers ever. While 50 is pretty good when it comes to sheer talent, i dont think he parallels tupac. jay z is good and so is nas but I am not much into anything they have ever recorded. The days of good rap are gone, now everyone just raps about bitches and stupid shit like that. I also have to say that talent wise Eminem is by far one of the best out there, and I like his stuff. But true gangsta rap is out the door.

Mr. NoSkills
11-14-2003, 08:08 PM
I loved tupac. he has some of the best rap songs ever, even when he was alive. IMO he and biggie were the best rappers ever. While 50 is pretty good when it comes to sheer talent, i dont think he parallels tupac. jay z is good and so is nas but I am not much into anything they have ever recorded. The days of good rap are gone, now everyone just raps about bitches and stupid shit like that. I also have to say that talent wise Eminem is by far one of the best out there, and I like his stuff. But true gangsta rap is out the door.

maybe in mtv rap. not the indie/"underground" type shit.
there is still a ton of dope story tellers and party rockers alive and kicking, you just need to look a little deeper.

2000SiVTEC
11-14-2003, 11:34 PM
Problem is I have never really liked any underground rap I have heard. and I have heard a lot as some people I know are pretty into the underground scene. Take it as you like, but deeper is not for everyone, nor do I think that is even part of the topic here since most people are more mainstream.

DrJones
11-15-2003, 12:38 AM
To all the people who think Tupac is just a hyped up rapper who is only as famous as he is because he died, I think you have some research to do. Yes there are people who are elevated in their position because they die (especially artists), but Tupac is definatly not one of these cases.

There is a class at Harvard University called "Modern Protest Literature: From Thomas Paine to Tupac." Arguably some of the smartest minds in the world can be found at that school, most likely they are not in it just because it's the 'trend' or whatever. Do you think a 50 yr old Harvard professor would be rolling down the street bumping Tupac just because it's cool? Highly doubtfull. Yet they see enough in his lyrics to make him a big part of a course offered there. I'm not sure what that says to you guys but it sure says a lot to me.

95GSRB18C
11-15-2003, 12:45 AM
Tupac was awsome. I will definitley go buy his cd tomorrow.

RiceBurner00
11-15-2003, 12:49 AM
one of the best underated tupac songs is 'enimes with me'


dont break up the fight letem rumble

Mr. NoSkills
11-15-2003, 02:55 AM
Problem is I have never really liked any underground rap I have heard. and I have heard a lot as some people I know are pretty into the underground scene. Take it as you like, but deeper is not for everyone, nor do I think that is even part of the topic here since most people are more mainstream.
sorry, i should have just quoted "The days of good rap are gone, now everyone just raps about bitches and stupid shit like that".
not everything has to be "underground". hiero isn't too underground, krs-one isn't underground, BEP isn't underground. all positive rap.

Jai SI
11-15-2003, 04:12 AM
The thing that I hate about "rappers" these days is that they don't rap. I'm talking about the mainstream rappers, not the underground and indie lyricists and whatnot. But I mean now, when a "rapper" puts out a song, it's pretty much a pop song with bass that talks about money and their bitches & bling. I grew up listening to rap that told stories of struggles and just life, and not the good life. I remember a good day was the 1st of the month when the welfare check came (Bone Thugs), now a good day is when you see somebody shake their tailfeather. All this is only my opinion, but I believe that in a sense the mainstream rappers have fallen into the pop category. I do like Eminem, his lyrics and words just have a way like Tupacs words did. 50 Cent is definitely up there too. I just don't see certain artists as rappers. All my opinion, so don't get carried away guys.

djet820
11-15-2003, 07:51 AM
I like the underground stuff. It's all poetic.

Oh and I love that one 2pac song

"everybody wants to be like me, a true OG yall yall yall yall"

exciv2000
11-15-2003, 09:32 AM
There is a class at Harvard University called "Modern Protest Literature: From Thomas Paine to Tupac." Arguably some of the smartest minds in the world can be found at that school, most likely they are not in it just because it's the 'trend' or whatever. Do you think a 50 yr old Harvard professor would be rolling down the street bumping Tupac just because it's cool? Highly doubtfull. Yet they see enough in his lyrics to make him a big part of a course offered there. I'm not sure what that says to you guys but it sure says a lot to me.

I think the teacher must be a tupac nutswinger. AFAIK 2pac didn't write books, he wrote songs. I have a hard time defining songs or poetry as literature.

nolimitsoldier
11-15-2003, 09:40 AM
Help me understand that more Scott. How is poetry and music not literature?

Whitman, Emerson, Shakespeare, Byron, Ginsberg, Kerouac, Maya Angelou, etc... all seems like literature to me.

Not trying flame bro, just want more of an explanation

exciv2000
11-15-2003, 09:51 AM
Help me understand that more Scott. How is poetry and music not literature?

Whitman, Emerson, Shakespeare, Byron, Ginsberg, Kerouac, Maya Angelou, etc... all seems like literature to me.

Not trying flame bro, just want more of an explanation

The people you mentioned write books. When did tupac write a book? Sure, maybe if you put all his poetry together and made a book I'd consider it literature. Jim Morrison had literature, as his poems made it into books. I have lots of poems I've written myself, but it didn't make it into any books, so I consider it just that... poetry. I also don't consider a book full of sheet music literature, just for the record.

nolimitsoldier
11-15-2003, 09:52 AM
Exactly, but they were poets who wrote books, so still poets. I'm not commenting on Tupac there, but your comment that says that you have a hard time calling music and poetry literature

exciv2000
11-15-2003, 10:08 AM
Exactly, but they were poets who wrote books, so still poets. I'm not commenting on Tupac there, but your comment that says that you have a hard time calling music and poetry literature

yes, still poets, but also literaryists or whatever who had literary works.
I see it like this (in case I still haven't made it clear):
people who write poetry = poets
people who write songs = songwriters or singers (or artists if you want to call it that)
people who write books = literature
poems that are in books = literary poetry and/or literature for short.
sheet music in a book = sheet music (you don't read it, you interpret and play it)

SpeedStar91
11-15-2003, 10:45 AM
Glad to hear there are good songs on his new CD. I was debating whether it was worth buying or not. I think most of his posthumous CDs havent been as good as 'All Eyes On Me'. I too have been listening to 2Pac since I was pretty young, I think the man's a genious when it comes to telling stories of the hood taht were actually good to hear. Its true its all about bling and shakin tail feathers to rappers today and honestly think its crap. I dont even bump most of the new 'rap' musik today. 50 though is alright, I dont think he's THAT great. But for sure though "I luh 2pac"-to live in die in l.a.

Jai SI
11-15-2003, 12:46 PM
Since you mention that Scott, there is a funny thing about that. A lot of Tupac's songs were poems before he put a beat behind them. Atleast his words had some meaning to them, not like today's music where songs are just made to rhyme every other line just to make a dime. Tupac backed a lot of his music with emotion, anger, happiness, pretty much poetry in the form of music.

exciv2000
11-15-2003, 02:03 PM
Since you mention that Scott, there is a funny thing about that. A lot of Tupac's songs were poems before he put a beat behind them. Atleast his words had some meaning to them, not like today's music where songs are just made to rhyme every other line just to make a dime. Tupac backed a lot of his music with emotion, anger, happiness, pretty much poetry in the form of music.

that's fine, he can be a poet and songwriter, but I wouldn't call him a literary work unless his poems are published in a book somewhere.

2000SiVTEC
11-15-2003, 03:18 PM
Problem with that Scott is some of the best writers through out history have not had their works published until after they have been dead.

exciv2000
11-15-2003, 03:26 PM
Problem with that Scott is some of the best writers through out history have not had their works published until after they have been dead.

I see no problem. they are literary works if they are published whether dead or alive.

SpenceyVTEC
11-15-2003, 04:22 PM
It all sounds like pointless bickering, but I think we can all agree that Tupac was talented and yes, I think of him as a poet. He didn't spit out all the mindless stuff about dubs and crap like all the new ones do. There are exceptions but not many, especially in the mainstream

gjcivic
11-15-2003, 10:16 PM
cobain sucked too........

Jai SI
11-16-2003, 06:39 AM
Tupacs poems were published. There's a big gold book out now on the new release rack that's all about Tupac.

exciv2000
11-16-2003, 12:01 PM
Tupacs poems were published. There's a big gold book out now on the new release rack that's all about Tupac.

well I stand corrected then. But that harvard teacher is still a pot smoking nutswinger faggot :)

Pang
11-17-2003, 01:26 AM
Tupac is the shit. ORIGINAL.

All you haters :fu:

exciv2000
11-17-2003, 01:36 AM
nah, too $hort is origninal