Cadi northstar motor in a VW Golf

[ryanman]

Traction? Whats that?

Check it out here (http://www.cwstuning.com/gallery/Coupe-DeGolf)

[LeonZ]

fawk i wish i still had my 1st gen. golf

[B18a1CRX]

More like 1st gen gay!

[Genesis]

More like 1st gen gay!

lol
why the hate? been spanked lately by a MK I?

they should have picked a lighter engine with more potential. displacement is overrated, IMO.

[RiceBurner00]

being 4.6 getting 300horses/300ft of tq is not really overrated, that car is gonna fly

[HONDA GHANDI]

I was talking to a tuner friend of mine in Cali and he was saying the northstar is the motor of choice for sand dune cars. They run them on methanol and make 400 horses with them.

[95GSRB18C]

damn that must have took alot of work to get that in there...

[Dustin]

lol
why the hate? been spanked lately by a MK I?

they should have picked a lighter engine with more potential. displacement is overrated, IMO.


you obiviously have never had displacement then :cool:

[Genesis]

you obiviously have never had displacement then :cool:

sadly, I have. I prefer a small displacement and LIGHTER engine incorporating advanced technology under my bonet!

you obviously have never had a technologically advanced engine then. :not so :cool::

[Genesis]

being 4.6 getting 300horses/300ft of tq is not really overrated, that car is gonna fly

compared to engines under 2L making the same power figures? not overrated at all. instead, seriously underrated. and then, consider the weight advantages of the smaller engine......

[Dustin]

sadly, I have. I prefer a small displacement and LIGHTER engine incorporating advanced technology under my bonet!

you obviously have never had a technologically advanced engine then. :not so :cool::


sadly, I have...a 1.6l DOHC VTEC, and a 2.0l Turbo, 2.4 i-vtec...None of them bring a smile like a LS1..or gasp, a 4.6 Ford.

[ryanman]

compared to engines under 2L making the same power figures? not overrated at all. instead, seriously underrated. and then, consider the weight advantages of the smaller engine......
Ok the dump the same amount of money into the 4.6 motor as you did into the engine under 2L to get the 300 hp, cause it sure as hell didn't come stock with 300hp, and then lemme know if that 4.6 still has 300hp. Doubtful. :cool:

[RiceBurner00]

and plus, northstar engines are very reliable and dont eat away your money on gas, mine gets about 20 mpg around town and on the highway it gets about 25

[Genesis]

Ok the dump the same amount of money into the 4.6 motor as you did into the engine under 2L to get the 300 hp, cause it sure as hell didn't come stock with 300hp, and then lemme know if that 4.6 still has 300hp. Doubtful. :cool:

since You brought up the conversation to money...

did you consider the amount of money you would spend on a northstar vs the money for a smaller engine in the first place? I tend to think the Northstart will be more expensive. if that were the case, how about the difference in the cash being applied to modifying the smaller engine? also consider modification price for a popular small displacement engine vs the Northstar. I think the small engine has the upper hand at this point (financially and from a weight standpoint, and pretty damn close to the Northstar powerwise). and I am not even considering the ridiculous 20/25 MPG. how about 25/35MPG - that brings some more money in the "pocket" of the small engine.

how far can the northstar be pushed without any internal work? at least one engine under 2L can handle double their factory power without mechanical complaints. it comes underrated at under 200 HP, not to mention it is FI from the factory, it takes much less money to make those faster, compared to N/A.

I couldn't agree more that you start with more power in the Northstar from the get go, but weight and subsequential costs negate the power. not to mention Weight is RARELY taken into consideration. people forget that power is NOT ALWAYS the one and ONLY variable in racing (I think it's safe to presume they are racing this little moster, why else are they slapping 300 HP on a MK I chassis).

I guess I am looking at this from a different point of view. some of you want go fast now and that's all... who cares what happens next week or next month.

it seems I'm not about to change your minds on this, so to each their own :)
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[ryanman]

Ok your post is good but say take a 1.8T and the cadi northstar motor and $1000 bucks for each.

Wet Nitrous kit for the V8 - 700 bucks, spray 150-200 shot, exhaust-250 bucks, intake-50 bucks - 400-500hp easily.

1.8t - one turbo=500 bucks, K&N filter-50 bucks, MBC-50 bucks, exhaust-400 bucks - still most likely not above 250-300hp - less weight - less traction - yes better handling but I'm talkin about 1/4 mile.

[Genesis]

I added this to my post after you replied


how far can the northstar be pushed without any internal work? at least one engine under 2L can handle double their factory power without mechanical complaints. it comes underrated at under 200 HP, not to mention it is FI from the factory, it takes much less money to make those faster, compared to N/A.

[ryanman]

Yeah thats a good question. I'll try and find out.

But same goes for a small block chevy motor. I can take a good running SBC and a $1000 bucks and make a mean ass motor.

[Genesis]

Ok your post is good but say take a 1.8T and the cadi northstar motor and $1000 bucks for each.

Wet Nitrous kit for the V8 - 700 bucks, spray 150-200 shot, exhaust-250 bucks, intake-50 bucks - 400-500hp easily.

1.8t - one turbo=500 bucks, K&N filter-50 bucks, MBC-50 bucks, exhaust-400 bucks - still most likely not above 250-300hp - less weight - less traction - yes better handling but I'm talkin about 1/4 mile.

the 1.8T comes with a turbo. did u mean a bigger one?

[RiceBurner00]

northstars can be pushed fairly well, atleast 400 horses, mods for them are pretty great too

for xmas im getting a chip(23hp/32tq), exhaust(20hp/27tq) and cold air which is probably like 5/7?

the torque on the northstars give out great numbers and you can really feel it when you punch it going around 20 mph.


lets say you do mod all that up on your 1.8, how long is that motor gonna last? with simple mods to the northstar, they will easily go 225,000, I know a couple who are almost at the 300 mark.

[ryanman]

the 1.8T comes with a turbo. did u mean a bigger one?
hehe yeah I meant a bigger one.

[Genesis]

northstars can be pushed fairly well, atleast 400 horses, mods for them are pretty great too

for xmas im getting a chip(23hp/32tq), exhaust(20hp/27tq) and cold air which is probably like 5/7?

the torque on the northstars give out great numbers and you can really feel it when you punch it going around 20 mph.


lets say you do mod all that up on your 1.8, how long is that motor gonna last? with simple mods to the northstar, they will easily go 225,000, I know a couple who are almost at the 300 mark.

the 20-valve has been around for as long as the northstar. Audi introduced it in the early to mid 90s and it's still in Audi's and now VW's lineup. that motor is a workhorse and to me the mere fact that it can handle 400 HP with factory internals without complaints speaks volumes for its workmaship and reliability.

IIRC someone had posted on a board hitting 150 000 mile mark and not a mechanical problem in site. modifying these engines is a fairly new experience, so reliability is still "in testing", but from what I've seen, and experieced, the car will fall apart before the engine does.

[Genesis]

hehe yeah I meant a bigger one.

what about the money you spend on a northstar vs. a 1.8T? in condition for racing, of course.... not picking one up off some junkyard and having to get it rebuilt... remember, all that money counts towards both engines.

[RiceBurner00]

u might spend a bit more money on a northstar engine, but in the long run it will save money and the engine wont blow