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Weston
10-05-2003, 11:35 PM
Post your DIY security ideas and comments... I'm talking about stuff that you can't buy and that thieves generally wont expect. A lot of this works in conjunction with an alarm. A 2-way alarm (ie one that'll page you) is a great idea.

If you need help, post it here, don't PM me because the point here is to help everyone. And I can't explain everything to anyone, some of this is a little advanced.

Here's my basic stuff:

Kill switches - Don't waste your time with starter kills, you can start most cars without the starter. And don't let your alarm control this... in most cases, once the alarm is disabled (and I bet it will be), it's done protecting your car. Kill something vital like fuel or ignition, use an appropriate relay if it's a lot of current, and make sure every part of it is well hidden... don't put the switch somewhere obvious like around the driver's side dash (or underneeth it), ash trays, etc. Make sure it's nowhere that can get bumped, especially while driving.

Hood cable reroute - very important for Hondas... route the cable through the engine bay so that it cannot be access from outside. Disconnect the cable at the lever, take off the driver's side fender liner and cut the clips, then pull the cable all the way back until it's entirely in the engine bay, then route it back through the engine bay and firewall to the lever. Also maybe install some piece of metal or something to block access to it around the latch so that they can't reach up through the bumper, if your car doesn't have one already.

Power unlock disable - also very important for Hondas. disable the power unlock switches, so that the car cannot be unlocked with a coat hanger. Cut the unlock wire completely, or throw a relay on it connected to the ignition (so the locks work when the car is on, but not when off), etc.

Miscellaneous electrical things - make the alarm be triggered by the trunk sensor, hood sensor (if you have one, otherwise add one), and power unlock switches. Also add extra sirens (put one inside the car too), horn honk output, and more lights (flashing headlights, blinding strobes inside, etc)


More advanced stuff (ie stuff that isn't so easily explained how to do yourself):

Defensive power locks - when the alarm is armed, mine disable the power unlock switches and triggers the alarm when they are pressed, and if the doors are somehow unlocked, it triggers the alarm and sends repeated lock pulses until they are locked again. So, even if you have a key, the doors will lock right back up and the alarm will be going nuts before the thief even knows what happened. It requires modifying the passenger's side so that it can detect if it's unlocked (otherwise you can only detect when it's unlocked with the key) and you have to build your own circuit (some diodes, transitors, resistors, capacitors, a 555 timer chip, and possbily relays depending on the car).

Add more alarm trigger inputs - some alarms have only one auxillery input, some have none. You can usually use diodes to add more, but that only works if the input being added is the same polarity and is always open (ie disconnected) until it's triggered. If one is closed or triggered when the alarm is armed, it'll disable all of them. So, you can build a circuit to properly add more and accomidate the ones that may be initally closed. I haven't built one yet, but I'm thinking an XOR gate for each circuit, all connected in a series, then a final XOR with a latch that's active if the output from the series is high when the alarm is armed. That'll trigger the alarm if any of the inputs change and it'll always do it with a low -> high transistion (many alarms wont respond to high -> low).

Proximity sensor + fog lights - most proximity sensors are prone to false alarms, so making them set the alarm off isn't the best choice. My current security project is to mount my old fog lights in a place that's somewhat hidden but will allow them to light up the thieves. The only hard part is finding a good place to mount them. My best idea so far is the rear wheel well, which is open to the rear bumper... I could mount them on something metal and point them out so they'd light up the sides of the car, but I'm not sure how well that'd work. The wiring may be accessable to a thief, so I'd have to use some trip wires to trigger the alarm if someone tries to disable them.


Another idea I have is to use a basic computer system connected to a GPS, digital camera, cell phone, and other stuff. It could call me and tell me where it is, and/or upload pictures and it's location to the Internet. I'm a software developer and an electrical nut, so it's likely that this will happen before too long, especially with those prepaid cell phones and the dirt cheap cost of decent computer parts. The only thing I haven't figured out is the connection to the cell phone because I have to see what phones and data options (if any) are available first... I'm going for a cheap prepaid phone, so there's no monthly cost or anything.

STIBungy
10-06-2003, 05:49 AM
Hrm, I thought you were being sarcastic when I read the 1st sentence.

anhjohn1
10-29-2003, 10:09 AM
Here's the one THING! Get the autolock pro from TV, it locks your brake of clutch. It's drill-proof, bullet-proof, saw-proof...
hell just get it. Fock the alarm...get a regular one if u want. But it's unexpecting when mofo try to get in and step on the clutch/brake and can't push it....
i haven't heard anyone break into it...or try to spend time in a parking lot doing it!

Weston
10-29-2003, 11:34 AM
iirc, Bedlam said he was using an Autolock on his Si when it got stolen.

Mario
10-29-2003, 05:01 PM
Here's the one THING! Get the autolock pro from TV, it locks your brake of clutch. It's drill-proof, bullet-proof, saw-proof...
hell just get it. Fock the alarm...get a regular one if u want. But it's unexpecting when mofo try to get in and step on the clutch/brake and can't push it....
i haven't heard anyone break into it...or try to spend time in a parking lot doing it!

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OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH. That explains it. The thieves on this board know what they are doing... most alarms and things like this don't do jack.

TedR719
10-29-2003, 05:13 PM
My friends hybrid hatchback had one of those things and all they had to do was bend the clutch pedal to remove the piece of junk, if a person wants your car they can get it, but at least try to have somthing to help you out, every second counts.



Here's the one THING! Get the autolock pro from TV, it locks your brake of clutch. It's drill-proof, bullet-proof, saw-proof...
hell just get it. Fock the alarm...get a regular one if u want. But it's unexpecting when mofo try to get in and step on the clutch/brake and can't push it....
i haven't heard anyone break into it...or try to spend time in a parking lot doing it!

Talus
10-29-2003, 11:32 PM
I just heard something really nasty, but when it comes to bastard thieves, they deserve it.
So heres what you do- wrap wires and harnesses (to the stereo, fuse box, alarm) anything a thief might be fumbling with while trying to steal something... with fish hooks. tape them with the prongs sticking out around a group of wires, so when they go to unhook your stereo for example, their hands get filled with fish hook barbs. Cruel, unusual, painful, and unexpected. Everythig a thief deserves. Just remember to tell anyone legitimatly working on your car.

urhomieblaze
10-30-2003, 12:43 AM
i saw a shifter lock on an integra it was welded to the floor board on the passenger side. then it locked in reverse with a thick ass steel loop. the lock used the same key as igintion. looked hella fortified. but i don't know who makes them. if anyone knows who makes those. hit me up

Qwiksand
10-30-2003, 10:01 AM
I just heard something really nasty, but when it comes to bastard thieves, they deserve it.
So heres what you do- wrap wires and harnesses (to the stereo, fuse box, alarm) anything a thief might be fumbling with while trying to steal something... with fish hooks. tape them with the prongs sticking out around a group of wires, so when they go to unhook your stereo for example, their hands get filled with fish hook barbs. Cruel, unusual, painful, and unexpected. Everythig a thief deserves. Just remember to tell anyone legitimatly working on your car.

You know what's really lame? You can actually be sued by the thief if they are injured by your "booby traps". Gay, huh? Still wouldn't stop me, I'd take that chance amongst a jury of my peers.

So you just gotta make it look like an accident...

Bedlam
10-31-2003, 01:40 AM
iirc, Bedlam said he was using an Autolock on his Si when it got stolen.

What he said...those things are a waste of time AND money.

-Bedlam

onestep
10-31-2003, 03:29 AM
There's a tool for "locksmiths" that will break the autolock in half in about 3 seconds. The key is multiple security precautions. An alarm, autolock, killswitch and maybe a little something else. The longer it takes them to steal you car, the less likely they're going to try it. The thing that I'm most worried about is someone towing my car, there's pretty much nothing short of a boot that you can do about that.

anhjohn1
11-03-2003, 09:01 AM
aight i take back what i said.....they want it they take it...
how about put my pet doberman inside the car....the thief can break in, but my lil' friend can take a bite in his ass! I can say to the cops, "There was a sign on the car saying, "beware of dawgs".

ryanman
11-03-2003, 09:13 AM
Probably the smart thing to do is to make a list out of vinyl and put it in your window with every anti-theft mod you have and maybe the thief will think twice if he wants to waste his time with it. Ok it's probably not the smartest thing but it might work.

Qwiksand
11-03-2003, 10:48 AM
Probably the smart thing to do is to make a list out of vinyl and put it in your window with every anti-theft mod you have and maybe the thief will think twice if he wants to waste his time with it. Ok it's probably not the smartest thing but it might work.

Ha, as long as you don't go: "Hidden kill switch passenger-side kick panel" :cool:

ryanman
11-03-2003, 12:00 PM
Ha, as long as you don't go: "Hidden kill switch passenger-side kick panel" :cool:
LMAO yeah of course don't do that. Just the stuff like

"fuel pump relay, ignition relay, ignition switch in the column doesn't work, brakes are locked with a line lock, have fun finding it all before I get out here and beat the living shit out of you"

urhomieblaze
11-04-2003, 01:25 PM
i found this website of a company that makes shifter locks.www.mul-t-lock.us. it doesn't show how it connects to the floor board but the one i saw in a integra had a steel plate connencted to the floor board. but the website doesn't give a price.i've heard it any where between 300-500. also heard it can be keyed to use the same key as your car.i think its a good idea.what do yous think?

Guido
11-06-2003, 12:23 AM
I know a lot of civics have locks on the floor to lock the trunk. Would it be possible to turn that into a kill switch for the fuel or ignition. I think it would be unexpected just because its factory installed.

BoostedGS
11-27-2003, 10:35 PM
A few years ago I was really big into car stereos and competing. I bought a lock for electronics that uses a hollow round key. I flush-mounted the lock in my center console and wired it to the power wire on my cd player so when I turned the key the cd player turned off which turned off everything else (amps, farad cap, crossover, etc.) This was to make sure that when I dropped the car off for an oil change, service, car wash, or whatever they couldn't crank my stereo or mess with my settings and blow my speakers.

You could probably just as easily use this type of lock to cut power to your fuel pump or ignition. Then it doesn't have to be hidden like a regular switch.

The lock and key I used looks like the lock used for this hood pin type setup...

http://static.summitracing.com/global/images/prod/large/mrg-1472.jpg

ryanman
11-27-2003, 10:41 PM
You could probably just as easily use this type of lock to cut power to your fuel pump or ignition. Then it doesn't have to be hidden like a regular switch.
Sounds like a good idea but they could easily rip it right out of the dash and cross a few wires. But I highly doubt they would know WTF it is and most likely would not touch it at all.

Mario
11-27-2003, 10:44 PM
That's cool - so I could use the same lock for my computer case, as well as a fuel cut off. I like it. :D

wild.irish
11-28-2003, 12:13 AM
mul-t-lock is rather good. i used to have it. but why would you want to have the same key as your car key??? There's also a trick - when you got multilock installed, it has to come with three keys. there was a case where some installation company only gave you two keys, and used the third to successfully steal your car in two weeks. the keys are sorta duplicate-protected...

CXhatchboy520
12-17-2003, 08:30 PM
You know...I have always remembered on a news show once, they showed a bimmer rigged w/ flamethrowers...man I really am tempted to try this if some fuckers try and take my car. peices of shit i wanna tear their eyeballs out with bolt cutters and saw their nuts off with a sawzall...yeah violent but damnit i am plain and fucking SICK of theives, i'd rather take a chance at getting sued than getting my baby jacked. I figure a flamethrower could be rigged using a fuel injector and a spark plug in a hidden panel.

I have all of these sewing needles ......if only I could place that stuff and hide it on the seat....hey, take a bite out of crime's ugly ass...huh huh...nevermind.

I was thinking, my car's driver door has a device where from the inside you have to pull the door latch out and pull the lock in to get it unlocked. Maybe I could make a system to do that on the passenger door too. Also, i was wondering, would it maybe help to put krazy glue/rubber cement around the outer edges of the lock on the door and/or the ignition lock? hell, who knows, maybe it would work. what do yall think?

yrretvr4
12-18-2003, 12:31 AM
I know Forum had something on his prelude that was pretty cool. There was some kind of magnetic relay hidden behind his dashboard so in order to be able to start the car, you would have to wave a magnet in front of it. It was completely hidden so you would have no idea wtf was going on.

hsunchen
01-05-2004, 02:01 PM
LMAO yeah of course don't do that. Just the stuff like

"fuel pump relay, ignition relay, ignition switch in the column doesn't work, brakes are locked with a line lock, have fun finding it all before I get out here and beat the living shit out of you"

Where I rerouted my hood release cable, I thought about having a little placard made that I could attach to the inside of the driver's side front wheelwell (where you wouldn't even see it unless you were about to cut thru the plastic to pull the cable) -

"Hood cable release has been relocated - and that's just the beginning . . ."

- but then I decided it was way too much trouble wasted on worthless people.

Robie
01-06-2004, 10:41 PM
I am partial to the ideas on auto security that are shown on StickDeath. . .

2002 Anti Auto Theft Devices
http://www.stickdeath.com/2002auto.html

2003 Anti Auto Theft Devices
http://www.stickdeath.com/2003auto.html


STICKDEATH SECURITY SYSYEMS
"Because your car is worth more than their lives"

Robie

SpeedStar91
01-07-2004, 01:27 AM
Bwahahahah that's some funny fuckin shit! i like the 2002 when the stick comes out of the steering wheel centre. hahahaha. or you could hire black ben!!