Anyone with intercooler and JRSC

[jbbauer7]

Has anyone added an intercooler to their Jackson Racing supercharger setup. Specifically I'm wondering if anyone has done the www.lhtperformance.net intercooler.

[CSMsi311]

1 grand for 25 whp? seems like a lot of money. There use to be some guys toying with the idea of designing their own kit, but most of have moved on to 1.8t's.

I've also thought about building my own system, but decided the coolest factor wasn't there anymore. And my goals have switched to suspension mods now. If you are interestd in building your own, let me know.

Welcome to the site
Jason

[HONDA GHANDI]

use N2O. Cools better and makes more hp for less money.

[exciv2002]

Originally posted by HONDA GHANDI
use N2O. Cools better and makes more hp for less money.

muthafucken :werd: :D

[HONDA GHANDI]

:D Im still contemplating it but I am not sure how long mine will hold up. stock B16+10psi+8800rpm+N20= pssssshhhhhhttttBOOM!

[djet820]

Originally posted by HONDA GHANDI
:D Im still contemplating it but I am not sure how long mine will hold up. stock B16+10psi+8800rpm+N20= pssssshhhhhhttttBOOM!

But at least you'd know that the engine was cool for a short amount of time:D

[exciv2002]

I think the only thing you have to worry about is axles tobi ;) But I understand your PoV, it sounds like nitrous would be pushing it for your setup, although I'm sure a 10-15 shot wouldn't hurt at all, but you wouldn't be able to shift at 8800 anymore, more like 8600-8700.

[HONDA GHANDI]

Id run it on a window switch at 20Hp shot between 4000 and 7000 rpm. that is where my blower makes the most heat. still my intake temps never get over 140. (still hotter than turbo but not too hot to make HP.)

I might build a motor this winter that can take the boost+N20 and then go for a JRSC civic with 100 shot DP. should make for some interesting axle shattering videos.

[exciv2002]

yikes, that'll be a lot of fun tho. :D Maybe we can see you in the 11's next year. I'm gonna hit 14s with a full interior and drag radials on a stock clutch, and then I'm done for a while other than possibly a hondata this winter, but we'll see. I need a house, I'm tired of renting.

[jbbauer7]

Originally posted by CSMsi311
1 grand for 25 whp? seems like a lot of money. There use to be some guys toying with the idea of designing their own kit, but most of have moved on to 1.8t's.

I've also thought about building my own system, but decided the coolest factor wasn't there anymore. And my goals have switched to suspension mods now. If you are interestd in building your own, let me know.

Welcome to the site
Jason

Thanks for the welcoming.
I guess I didn't think that 1g for 20hp was too bad since I've already spent 1g for hondata, 3g for JRSC w/ 8.5 pulley, and another 1.5g for intake, exhaust, and misc.
But you are right I should probably draw the line somewhere.

I guess mostly since I have so much invested in this car .. I wanted to protect my engine from high intake temps (in addition to the added hp). Let me know if I'm just paranoid or if there are better options.

BTW if I do ever blow my engine will the hondata and JRSC be compatible with a 1.8r swap?

[rmcdaniels]

Call LHT and talk to John, He's been building intercoolers for about 20 years and has alot of good information. He also has a lot of other stats and pics that he can e-mail you if you are seriously interested. He was good about talking to me and answering my questions about the mod, and I had a lot of questions. I'm thinking about it, but that's a lot of money for an intercooler (and a lot of expenditure to hide from my wife). I thought about doing it myself, but I can't weld aluminum and I'd hate to build some kluge that ends up pumping half a gallon of coolant into my intake manifold with my motor all wound up. One of the things he did talk about was a guy who got the mod, then put the radiator of the intercooler in an igloo cooler inside the car, put some water and ice in it, then only turned on the pump when he was ready to race. Apparently it got his intake air temp to 40 degrees and made a whole lot of power until the ice melted (which didn't take long). He also said that there are fuel management issues due to the denser air, but it is manageable.

[rmcdaniels]

DOH! I just saw that you have Hondata, scratch what I said about the fuel issues.

[jbbauer7]

Originally posted by HONDA GHANDI
use N2O. Cools better and makes more hp for less money.

This is my only car so reliability is a big deal for me. The high compression + FI + N2O = walk to work

Maybe someday though. How much abuse do these B16s take? From what I've read over 10psi is pushing it and I'll be at 8psi (less elevation).. close enough for me.

[jbbauer7]

Originally posted by rmcdaniels
Call LHT and talk to John, He's been building intercoolers for about 20 years and has alot of good information. He also has a lot of other stats and pics that he can e-mail you if you are seriously interested. He was good about talking to me and answering my questions about the mod, and I had a lot of questions. I'm thinking about it, but that's a lot of money for an intercooler (and a lot of expenditure to hide from my wife). I thought about doing it myself, but I can't weld aluminum and I'd hate to build some kluge that ends up pumping half a gallon of coolant into my intake manifold with my motor all wound up. One of the things he did talk about was a guy who got the mod, then put the radiator of the intercooler in an igloo cooler inside the car, put some water and ice in it, then only turned on the pump when he was ready to race. Apparently it got his intake air temp to 40 degrees and made a whole lot of power until the ice melted (which didn't take long). He also said that there are fuel management issues due to the denser air, but it is manageable.

Ya I've talked with John and one of his co-workers, the shop seems to have a good reputation and John knows his stuff. I know some guys from www.honda-tech.com recommend his work as well. I guess with all the I have invested I didn't think 1g was too much $ to help protect my engine, and I don't have a wife to worry about

My broter can weld and make just about anything, but he's in MN. Maybe I should talk to him just to see what he thinks. Guess I didn't know how much one would have to understand about air flow dynamics, and PV==nRT shit to have enough confidence to tear into the JR intake.

[HONDA GHANDI]

Ive been running mine on 10 psi for over a year and the intake temps are not damaging the engine with proper fuel management. And to answer your question, the Hondata (S200 I assume) will be comapitble with your new setup when you do it. It will have to be retuned however.

[rmcdaniels]

I figured if I did it myself or with the help of a good welder I'd buy an extra manifold (about $300) and go with something like a motorcycle oil cooler for an intercooler core, although I think if I have to pay a welder and put any reasonable dollar value on my time, then $1000 isn't a bad price at all. Of course I also have to factor in the fact that I have no idea what I'm doing when it comes to building intercoolers and that the whole project would be the purest form trial and error, and that leads me back to the pumping liquid by the gallon into my screaming engine scenario...............

[Brian]

I spent a good 2 years developing different ways to intercool the JRSC. The one above was actually one fo the first idea's I toyed with. Honestly intercooling isn't necessary unless you plan to run more than 10 psi. If this is teh case your probably going to want to do internals anyway so you've just tached on another couple grand onto the cost. This was the point I was at so rather than spend 3 more K on the car to get another few hp I decided to just trade it in and get a factory turbo car so I don't have to deal with it. If you have the cash and want to be different then by all means do it, but if you want to save some money for things other than cars look at the expenses versus the output. You don't get any money for mods come time to sell a vehicle so that 3 grand could be in your pocket, or a down payment on a car that will be faster to begin with ..... just my .02

[exciv2002]

I forget exactly what the compression is on my D16Y8 but it's pretty high and it too is my daily driver, and with 8 PSI and a 25 shot of nitrous, it was like adding an extra 2-3 PSI. Of course, I only use it at the track. Next time at the track I'm jetted for a 35 shot just for the hell of it and those elusive 14s at altitude. Oh yeah, and I don't have hondata... yet (maybe). So if you think an 8 PSI SI with some giggle juice is pushing it, push it some more, cause 8 PSI is just barely getting started on the M62s.

Let me add in that I know a couple of guys running 11-14 psi on stock block GSRs, and the only thing different is an extra .2 liters of displacement. Your B16 can handle a lot more.

[jbbauer7]

Originally posted by 1EightT
I spent a good 2 years developing different ways to intercool the JRSC. The one above was actually one fo the first idea's I toyed with. Honestly intercooling isn't necessary unless you plan to run more than 10 psi. If this is teh case your probably going to want to do internals anyway so you've just tached on another couple grand onto the cost. This was the point I was at so rather than spend 3 more K on the car to get another few hp I decided to just trade it in and get a factory turbo car so I don't have to deal with it. If you have the cash and want to be different then by all means do it, but if you want to save some money for things other than cars look at the expenses versus the output. You don't get any money for mods come time to sell a vehicle so that 3 grand could be in your pocket, or a down payment on a car that will be faster to begin with ..... just my .02

very good reasoning, I'm going to be under 10psi so if I can count on reliability without an intercooler AWESOME. 20 more Hp is nice but mostly I was concerned about high intake temps affecting the reliability of the vehicle. I think I'll postpone this upgrade until I'm celebrating a promotion or something. THANKS!