I need help with major import hater

[Motto P]

Heres the scoop in my math class This little piece a shit sees my binder and I a pic of a Silvia S15 and he flats out starts rip-n on imports I mean he calls them gook cars I said At lease we can drift this faggit says whats that I was about to knock his fucking ass out, but I can't risk getting suspended what do you think I should do?:mad: :mad: :mad:

[Steve_C]

call him out to one of out hai g2g...... naw serious, don't let ignorant people get the best of you

[Weston-work]

He sounds like an ignorant racist redneck who is pretty insecure, so don't waste your time with him.

[David]

call him a redneck fuck who was brainwashed by his insest father into thinking V8s are cool. Then kick his ass because you learn more about yourself in a fight than in 5 years of living.

[BluByU]

He's sounds like one of the guys who's set that if it ain't got a bowtie, It ain't fit to stick. That goes for their little boys, and their cars. Seriously, just let him get dusted by one of us and then we can rub it in. I'll take a pic of this auto Z24 Cavvy with a DTM exhaust that sticks about 10 inches away from the bumper, then you can paste that up and let him gawk, then laugh at him

[BluByU]

And another thing, don't feel like you have anything to prove to him, its not worth the oxygen.

[Weston-work]

:werd: Outdated inefficient "technology" is sooo cool. :rolleyes:

I like how they go around comparing cars based on their engine displacement, as if comparing peak horsepower numbers wasn't dumb enough. The "my Mountain Dew bottle has more displacement than your Honda" picture is classic... we see it as a compliment to our engine's efficient nature, but they actually think they're putting us down.

[David]

Originally posted by Weston-work
:werd: Outdated inefficient "technology" is sooo cool. :rolleyes:

I like how they go around comparing cars based on their engine displacement, as if comparing peak horsepower numbers wasn't dumb enough. The "my Mountain Dew bottle has more displacement than your Honda" picture is classic... we see it as a compliment to our engine's efficient nature, but they actually think they're putting us down.

I love walking around safeway and see the 2 liter mtn dew bottles next to the 5 gallon jug of water:D then I go off and starting thinking about "so if I where to force 18PSI of mtn dew in there I wonder how much I could fit. But then of course I would need and ARP cap stud set and a metal cap gasket..."

im a loser:(

[HONDA GHANDI]

If I were you Id fuck his girlfriend and wipe your dick on his moms new curtains. Then let him say what ever the hell he wants about imports. It is America after all.

[stu]

I'd wipe your dick on the cat, but that's just me.

[HONDA GHANDI]

Different strokes....

[tsitim]

the cat naw his dad that would be better, FUCK him dont go thru life trying to win everybody over! lifes too short!! just get your schooling and get a good life and let him be a dumbass drop out, oops I got to go someones at the drive thru

[80vette]

i am still a domestic v8 man at heart and i still am a firm believer that v8s will always beat an import, if built right and the person can drive, however i have no problem at all with imports and in fact just bought a 93 prelude and am enjoying it quite a bit. even though it has nowhere near the feeling of sittin behind the wheel of my vette, which, if it still ran and i hadnt blown the motor, i would put up against any of your imports.

[BluByU]

And we'd gladly go against you. It's all fun and games after all. Doing what we love, not fighting an endless battle.

[jojo]

Originally posted by Motto P
I said At lease we can drift

What's that got to do with imports?

[djet820]

Well...hmm...Show that racist fuck to me. I'll show him what a gook and what a gook car will do. Fucking dumbass. if you don't want to deal with him, I will.

[stu]

You gonna show him how you run 17's? :p

[fitchnpolo]

"At least we can drift these " That comeback is as lame as his comment

[jojo]

Originally posted by Weston-work
:werd: Outdated inefficient "technology" is sooo cool. :rolleyes:


I hear this a lot but I have to confess that I don't quite understand what all of this cutting edge technology is that the V8 world has never heard of. EFI? DOHC? Tumble/swirl heads? Turbocharging? Intercooling? Water injection? Coil on spark? VTEC? VVT?

[Weston]

Originally posted by fitchnpolo
"At least we can drift these " That comeback is as lame as his comment

Yeah, "drifting" (in the way that most people think of when they hear that word) is not the fastest way around the track. That's all for show. And I'm sure you can swing the back end out on a Mustang, Camaro, or about any other domestic, so that comment doesn't make sense.

[Weston]

Originally posted by jojo
I hear this a lot but I have to confess that I don't quite understand what all of this cutting edge technology is that the V8 world has never heard of. EFI? DOHC? Tumble/swirl heads? Turbocharging? Intercooling? Water injection? Coil on spark? VTEC? VVT?

I never said the V8 world has never heard of it, nor did I say anything that was limited to V8's. Don't put words in my mouth. You're just looking to start a lame internet flame war, so I'm not going to waste my time on you.

[2genCRX]

Originally posted by stu
You gonna show him how you run 17's? :p
ZING!

[2genCRX]

Originally posted by fitchnpolo
"At least we can drift these " That comeback is as lame as his comment
ZING X2 !

[LeonZ]

Just invite him to this site, he will feel welcome...

[THRICE]

Just do what I did in school. Get them back at the best possible moment. It's all about timing.

I had this kid who used to talk shit to me and I didn't do anything because I was a generally laid back guy and I wasn't quite sure why he did. I used to walk into class every day and he would have something to say and people would snicker. One day, I walked into class and he said "What's up fag boy?" ... Well, I had finally had enough of his shit. I calmly walked over and lifted and tipped his desk over with him sitting in it and opened his bookbag, threw his shit in the trash, and still came back, looked in his face and said "Sup."

[jojo]

Originally posted by Weston
I never said the V8 world has never heard of it, nor did I say anything that was limited to V8's. Don't put words in my mouth. You're just looking to start a lame internet flame war, so I'm not going to waste my time on you.

Oh come on Weston, surely you know me better than that. I don't think I'm exactly considered a troll on this board.

So who was the comment of outdated technology directed towards then? 4 cylinder domestics?

[THRICE]

No, I think he's referring to the fact that Import technology is more efficient. Domestics aren't bad cars...but the average Joe wants to buy a car that will save them more money. Imports will, and always have gotten far better gas mileage, they are easy to work on, and built a thousand times simpler. That doesn't make them "better" or make them "faster" or what have you...but I am willing to bet that 9 out of 10 people who want to save money by buying a cheaper, simpler, more economical car would take a Japanese import over an american domestic.

I like domestics...some...I like imports...some...but when it comes to technology for building a more efficient car, the Japanese just get the job done.

[THRICE]

BTW, the domestic market has only heard of the cutting edge technology because the Japanese sold it to them. Ford realized this, so they built alot of their cars mimicing Hondas because they were selling ten times more cars. Don't believe me? Pop the hood and start reading the labels. Ztec? C'mon...

[LiNzA]

Basically you should just..;Slap: ..then...;NutKick; .. then... ;SwallOw: ..and you should be good...

[garria]

what does this fagget drive? if u can take his ass then waste him no doubt:guns: ;OwnEd; that will shut him up!

[DrJones]

I'd say don't even try to argue with him.... it won't go anywhere. Those guys will just talk about how fast their car is and how imports have small motors and all that. Then you come back with at least they can handle well or something, and they say it doesn't matter because it's not fast... and it just goes back and forth. No one ends up wining because there is no right answer... niether is that much better than the other... just different. People like different things.

I would just smirk him off when he says stuff like that and take pride in the fact that you are mature and he is a dumb ass.

[djet820]

Originally posted by stu
You gonna show him how you run 17's? :p

lol, I just wanted his face to meet my front bumper but then again...I wouldnt' want to ruin my ugly but yet beautiful car.

[SleeperZ]

Originally posted by 80vette
i am still a domestic v8 man at heart and i still am a firm believer that v8s will always beat an import, if built right and the person can drive, however i have no problem at all with imports and in fact just bought a 93 prelude and am enjoying it quite a bit. even though it has nowhere near the feeling of sittin behind the wheel of my vette, which, if it still ran and i hadnt blown the motor, i would put up against any of your imports.

That says a lot, eh? Glad you're happy with the Honda. ;)

[RiceBurner00]

Originally posted by THRICE
No, I think he's referring to the fact that Import technology is more efficient. Domestics aren't bad cars...but the average Joe wants to buy a car that will save them more money. Imports will, and always have gotten far better gas mileage, they are easy to work on, and built a thousand times simpler. That doesn't make them "better" or make them "faster" or what have you...but I am willing to bet that 9 out of 10 people who want to save money by buying a cheaper, simpler, more economical car would take a Japanese import over an american domestic.

I like domestics...some...I like imports...some...but when it comes to technology for building a more efficient car, the Japanese just get the job done.

you cant really compare a cheap car like an accord to a big v8, the newer cars, domestics are increasing in mpg and a lot of imports like the maxima have less mpg.

easy to work on, look at GM's products, they are very easy to work on, dont say that they arnt unless you work on domestics

if 9/10 people want to save money and all that, why is that statement wrong. 9/10 people dont drive imports

There is no average Joe when it comes to cars, everyone picks a car that suits them.

[Motto P]

Thanks you guys you all had really good advice :)

[jojo]

Originally posted by THRICE
No, I think he's referring to the fact that Import technology is more efficient.

What technology is this? Why are you guys keeping this a secret?I want to know so that I can be fast and efficient too!

[RiceBurner00]

Maybe they just think The working man in America is just some red blooded drunk hick making a Ford, while some 13 year old chinesse kid is getting smacked for not making a car in 3 days.

*just kidding*

[stu]

Originally posted by jojo
What technology is this? Why are you guys keeping this a secret?I want to know so that I can be fast and efficient too!

I think what they are doing is fighting fire with fire. Close-minded idiot says something stupid, so you say something stupid back, like the techno bs.

[jojo]

Originally posted by stu
I think what they are doing is fighting fire with fire. Close-minded idiot says something stupid, so you say something stupid back, like the techno bs.

I, on the other hand, get very tired of ignorance and look to dispel it regardless of its source.

[THRICE]

Look, I hate close minded people too. But Riceburner, you said that Domestics are STARTING to get better gas mileage. Yeah, starting to. I said 9/10 people who want to save money would more than likely choose a car that saves them money and suites their personality. I never talked shit about domestics, I own one too. I have worked on many. I am the only person in my family with a Honda. So don't even start bringing in racist shit to say about chinese kids and stuff because that's plain fucked up. Weston was right when he said you're doing nothing more than turning an honest open minded discussion into an internet flame-war, I'm sorry, but MOST domestic drivers are guilty of this, I don't see one import drive in this thread who said anything to talk shit. BTW, I never said Import technology is some secret. It's not. It's simply the development of a car. Don't be pissed off because of some random bullshit. You cannot argue with facts,a nd the fact of the matter is...Imports are built better when is comes to cost worthy, reliability, and economical engineering. However, I never said that made them a better car. I think you need to re-read what other people have said a little more carefully.

[Dustin]

330 WHP and 27 MPG from an LS-1 Is SOOOO inefficent :rolleyes:

I loved my honda with all the technology you talk about weston, and its 111 Lbs ft. of torque:confused:

[jojo]

Originally posted by THRICE
Weston was right when he said you're doing nothing more than turning an honest open minded discussion into an internet flame-war,

Weston was talking to me not Riceburner.

Originally posted by THRICE

I'm sorry, but MOST domestic drivers are guilty of this,


So much for openmindedness.

Originally posted by THRICE

I don't see one import drive in this thread who said anything to talk shit.


Better reread Weston's post.


Originally posted by THRICE

BTW, I never said Import technology is some secret. It's not.


Great! Then you'll be willing to talk specifics. So far no one will give me a concrete example of this elusive technology.

Originally posted by THRICE

You cannot argue with facts,a nd the fact of the matter is...

Well I'm specifically trying to debate with just facts, unfortunately no one will provide any for me to back up their statements.

[THRICE]

Originally posted by jojo
Weston was talking to me not Riceburner.


Well then, You were included.



So much for openmindedness.


That has nothing to do with being openminded. It's another fact.


Better reread Weston's post.


Weston was telling the truth, sorry if the truth hurts you.


Great! Then you'll be willing to talk specifics. So far no one will give me a concrete example of this elusive technology.



You gave them yourself, 30 mpg, DOHC, VTEC, Those are all just a tiny few examples of technology bought from the Japanese by Americans.



Well I'm specifically trying to debate with just facts, unfortunately no one will provide any for me to back up their statements.


Apparently, that last statement has led me to believe that you're a very closeminded person and by assuming you're smarter than everyone.

http://www.centralillinoisimports.org/vbulletin/attachment.php?postid=42130

[GimPin]

Originally posted by RiceBurner00


easy to work on, look at GM's products, they are very easy to work on, dont say that they arnt unless you work on domestics



Ever try to change the rear bank of plugs on a 3.1L chevy lumina? you have to drop and engine mount and rotate the engine just to get to them... but yeah thats just one car... and I am sure there are imports that have their inconviences

[jojo]

Originally posted by THRICE

You gave them yourself, 30 mpg, DOHC, VTEC, Those are all just a tiny few examples of technology bought from the Japanese by Americans


[sigh] Someone needs to join in and help Thrice out. He's struggling mightily here.

I confess I missed the press release where the Japanese sold Americans the technology known as "30mpg".

DOHC engines have been around forever. There's nothing new or high tech about them. They predate the founding of both Honda and Toyota. Please take the time to at least do basic research instead of making things up.

BTW just about everything on my list is found on lowly domestics including V8s.

[THRICE]

The technology to gain 30mpg was sold to the Americans. If it wasn't then I would like an explanation of why American cars could never successfully (until now, after Japanese cars were getting more and more popular, and overselling Ford) achieve that mile mark?

JoJo, If Ford is so fixed on being their own company explain why Ford now makes ZTEC? What is ZTEC JoJo?


I'm not going to argue with you. I know you're a familiar face around HAI and your a friend of many. You're an all around good guy, I just don't think you are as openminded yourself. You are so quick to bagg on people, but don't stop to take a look at yourself. You are a smart guy, and you seem to have a great taste in domestic cars, I just think that you try and show off a bit. You post most often when there's something to argue over, and that makes you seem like an E-Thug. Please don't take any offense over this. I'm not trying to drag the arguement on any longer. It's a never ending debate. It can go on forever for those who choose to battle it. If you can find me the information of where, when, what, and WHO built the first SUCCESSFUL DOHC motor, than I will admit I was wrong. Fair enough?


BTW, I do have 4 members of my Family that work for Ford's coorporate dept and overseas foreign marketing. I am not just making that up. People who know me off of the board, also know that. That explains why 90% of my family drives Ford.

[jojo]

Hey Thrice,

You're absolutely correct, I do love a good technical debate and I am a bit of a smart ass to boot ;) But it's all in good fun as far as I'm concerned. I never get offended by stuff on a car board - usually I sit here and laugh at most of it.

As I've said many times before I'm fascinated by all cars and have complete respect for any gearhead regardless of what they choose to work on. I do like to jump on ignorant statements whether they are coming from pro import or pro domestic guys. In general I think I'm harder on the domestic buffoons.

As far as the first DOHC engine is concerned I haven't been able to find that one yet. I do have pictures of a 1931 Bugatti production DOHC engine so I think it's fair to say they go back quite a ways.

[THRICE]

JoJo,

I often laugh at close minded people myself. I am anything but close minded. I love cars as well. Period. All walks. You and I are alot alike in some aspects because I too am a smart ass. I usually pick on dumb import drivers moreso than domestic drivers because I feel obligated to. Don't ask me why, I think it's the fact that everyone looks down on us because of the ones who choose to make us all look dumb by making poor decisions. I am actually very interested in learning about that 1931 Bugatti, so if you do find any info on it...please PM me or something. Thanks.

[jojo]

Looks like the Bugatti DOHC engine was based on the Miller 91. Check this out: Centrifigually supercharged DOHC 8 cylinder engine pushing 30 psi on alcohol in 1926.

http://www.ddavid.com/formula1/miller.htm

[GimPin]

goes back further than that..... quote from http://www.europeancarweb.com/features/0209ec_twincam/

Les Charlatan's Peugeot, though, was the first automotive application of the twin overhead cam concept and set the pattern for all future twin-cam designs. The first race the team entered was the Grand Prix de l'ACF at Dieppe on June 26, 1912. Boillot beat the favored 14-liter Fiats by 12 minutes after two full days of tough racing. The following year, Jules Goux took the twin-cam Peugeot to Indianapolis and beat the field by 13 minutes after 500 miles

[THRICE]

Jeeze, that is so awesome.

[jojo]

Originally posted by GimPin
goes back further than that..... quote from http://www.europeancarweb.com/features/0209ec_twincam/

Les Charlatan's Peugeot, though, was the first automotive application of the twin overhead cam concept and set the pattern for all future twin-cam designs. The first race the team entered was the Grand Prix de l'ACF at Dieppe on June 26, 1912. Boillot beat the favored 14-liter Fiats by 12 minutes after two full days of tough racing. The following year, Jules Goux took the twin-cam Peugeot to Indianapolis and beat the field by 13 minutes after 500 miles

Great article. Excellent find!

[stu]

This is the only thing I can contribute to this thread.

http://www.svtperformance.com/...51980

Well, that link, and the fact that economics is a science and many, many, many people don't realize that economics is a MAJOR fator when it comes to how cars are made. Ford never released a car that got 30mpg because they didn't have too, not because they couldn't do it. I'm kind of getting tired of people not realizing this.

[jojo]

You're absolutely 100% right Stu. Economics is THE overriding consideration in mainstream automotive design. There is nothing high tech about an internal combustion engine. It's design has barely changed at all in the last century. The only thing remotely high tech are the sensors and computers used to control everything and within their respective areas even those items are old technology.

This is not to put down Hondas, but I have to marvel at individuals who believe that none of the multibillion dollar car companies outside of Japan have the engineering resources required to design a simple mechanical system such as VTEC. This is not cutting edge science - it's strictly a business decision. American car makers tend to compete more on the basis of bottom line price while the Japanese tend to compete more with features/perceived value at a slighter higher price.

[sinbad]

back on topic... tell him to name one domestic that has a beter power to liter then the s2000. when he goes ah ah say "boo ya BITCH"

sinbad

[ericjames]

Why get back to the original topic. It was a fucking stupid thread when it started...

Those old cars are cool as shit!!

[jojo]

Originally posted by sinbad
back on topic... tell him to name one domestic that has a beter power to liter then the s2000. when he goes ah ah say "boo ya BITCH"

sinbad

The S2000 is deceiving because it generates a large hp rating via its unusually high redline. HP = torque * rpm. Its specific torque output is barely higher than a old school stock 5.0. And it's torque to weight ratio is way below a stock 5.0.

BTW if you're new to car boards, specific output doesn't win races and smaller high revving engines always have a huge inherent advantage in that particular statistic. However it doesn't make them faster cars :(

[fodo]

i ran into mustang 5.0's back in 1999 that ran like 18s and stuff and they were talking all kinds of trash to imports...*shrug* go torque.

i believe that when it comes to fast drag cars, you can't beat domestic engineering...those funny cars are super duper fast. but when it comes to daily driver, i'd go with an import just because they do have better gas mileage AS OF RIGHT NOW. hell...you only really see the honda and toyota gas-elec hybrid cars out on the road...i haven't yet seen one from ford or GM...maybe they're popular elsewhere, but in CO, i only see the ones from japanese companies.

just a curious question...why did ford buy mazda?

[RiceBurner00]

10 years ago if the economy was this bad I wouldnt mind owning a honda for a daily driver, but the domestics brands have been coming out with nice economy cars like the cavalier and neon, I know a lot of you guys hate them, but there in the same boat as civics.

Ford takes over a lot of companies, my guess is just to make more money for themselves in the long run. They own Jaguar, Lincoln, Volvo, Mercury, and now Mazda.......sorry if I missed some

Thrice, I was only kidding about the joke with the chinesse kid, thats why I said *jk*

I am just sick of people saying that imports are made better because there from japan, not just some people on here, a lot of people say it, its stupid

[stu]

liter to horsepower ratio is a pussy, ricer argument for the economic reason I already stated. But don't feel bad, I've used it before, but I'd like to move on from that. You live and learn right?

Jojo: THANK JESUS' LEFT ANKLE that you agree with me on that stance. I know there are other people out there, but they are usually too smart to get involved with this type of thread. It feels good to know that there are other people out there though.

And I'll tell you right now, the first person who says anything close to, "Well, if Honda made an engine as big as a Viper engine, it'd have 900 hp...." I'll ban your ass. :p Because any half wit knows that's not true.

[RiceBurner00]

Originally posted by stu

And I'll tell you right now, the first person who says anything close to, "Well, if Honda made an engine as big as a Viper engine, it'd have 900 hp...." I'll ban your ass. :p Because any half wit knows that's not true.

I hear that all the time, if honda made a 5.0, it would be so crazy fast, yea ok

[Jarod_The_Ronin]

tell him to race his beat-up challenger against a rotary, then see what he thinks of jap cars. When he loses, if he still wants to talk shit, I'll personally come down there and stab his head off...... WITH MY DICK!!

[SleeperZ]

Originally posted by sinbad
back on topic... tell him to name one domestic that has a beter power to liter then the s2000. when he goes ah ah say "boo ya BITCH"

sinbad

Yeah, too bad they are soooo slow!

[GimPin]

Originally posted by SleeperZ
Yeah, too bad they are soooo slow!

ummm yeah..... OK:rolleyes: so are stock 280z ..... and yes I know you are not stock and yes I am impressed with your times and Torque numbers but a stock S2K is not that slow when you compare it to other stock cars in its class

[THRICE]

Okay, so you said VTEC is nothing special. Maybe it isn't.

Please explain why Ford is making something called ZTEC, which is basically the exact same idea. :rolleyes: if it's not so special? You have yet to answer that. You cannot sit here an deny that ZTEC is a direct rip off of VTEC. Seems like Ford didn't think VTEC wasn't anything special did they? Yeah, right...

Another thing, you act like the Japanese do not have the capability of building cars like the americans. Uh, they do. They just build their motors with other intentions in mind. I will agree that the Neon, and the Cavalier are great economy cars. They are. The fact of the matter is, the Japanese do not build their cars with torque because alot of tourque sacrafices in MOST CASES fuel economy. Because torque adds more power to the ground, and when you add more power to the ground that is unnecessary, it needs what? More fuel. The Japanese do not build their cars with intentions of kicking the shit out of Mustangs and other domestic cars alike. It's simple, I'm sure if the Japanese wanted to build a car that is $30,000 cheaper than any sports car, carrying that amount of tourque and still whip any one of those fuckers asses with a bag of groceries in the trunk, and getting premium gas mileage, They would. They would call it the Supra.

[jojo]

Originally posted by THRICE
Okay, so you said VTEC is nothing special. Maybe it isn't.

Please explain why Ford is making something called ZTEC, which is basically the exact same idea. :rolleyes: if it's not so special? You have yet to answer that. You cannot sit here an deny that ZTEC is a direct rip off of VTEC. Seems like Ford didn't think VTEC wasn't anything special did they? Yeah, right...

I'm not familiar with ZTEC but it sounds like Ford's marketing trying to cash in on the popularity of VTEC with teenage drivers. Which is, again, an economic/business decision rather than anything driven by cutting edge technology or lack thereof.


Originally posted by THRICE

Another thing, you act like the Japanese do not have the capability of building cars like the americans. Uh, they do. They just build their motors with other intentions in mind. I will agree that the Neon, and the Cavalier are great economy cars. They are. The fact of the matter is, the Japanese do not build their cars with torque because alot of tourque sacrafices in MOST CASES fuel economy. Because torque adds more power to the ground, and when you add more power to the ground that is unnecessary, it needs what? More fuel. The Japanese do not build their cars with intentions of kicking the shit out of Mustangs and other domestic cars alike. It's simple, I'm sure if the Japanese wanted to build a car that is $30,000 cheaper than any sports car, carrying that amount of tourque and still whip any one of those fuckers asses with a bag of groceries in the trunk, and getting premium gas mileage, They would. They would call it the Supra.

I agree with you completely. It sounds as if you're saying that the cars Japanese companies choose to produce are based on what they deem to make the most business sense in their particular markets - same as any other car maker out there.

[RiceBurner00]

duh, so what if Ford did find the VTEC interesting and made a ZTEC, so what? Am I gonna say, Japan copied of Olds in making the first car, no, because its stupid. Domestic economy cars dont have good torque. I really dont give a shit if I get 15 mpg or 30 mpg, I'm not complaining, because I love my cars, economobiles mean shit to me. Maybe they do to some of you guys and thats cool, I just dont care about spending 10 extra bucks here and there

The supra gets better gas milage then a lot of cars because it is turboed and doesnt have a seriously big engine, yes, I'll give you that, but thats not news to me when I got a 3.8 T-Type sitting at home, that thing is great on gas.

[THRICE]

I think the fact of the matter is that there are great cars from every major manufacturer out there. Some just choose to drive domestic, and other choose imports. It doesn't mean we can't be friends. There will always be rivalry's and discussion's and even fights over it, but the fact is...I'm happy with my Import and I'm glad you guys enjoy your domestics. If we were all alike, the world we be a very boring place.

[Slava]

Another one. DAmm, come on. I thought that Chevy454 made it clear that all the ford lovers are mad about a 1.6 or a 2.2 hondas beating thei 5.0 and shit. FORD is mad because honda is selling more then they are so they make a Focus still not selling as well as a civic. S2000 is a honda super car somewhat at least fast for a stock car it beats a GT mustang. So whats the point of arguing about the same thing over and over the facts will always stay the same.

[jojo]

I'm not sure when or why fuel economy became the overwhelming concern on this board, but since it now is, here's some interesting info for you:

2004 Subaru WRX STi 300hp 300ftlbs 18/24mpg
2004 Corvette Z06 405hp 400ftlbs 19/28mpg
1995 Supra Turbo 320hp 315ftlbs 17/23mpg

[RiceBurner00]

cool info, I wouldnt expect that from a vette

[SleeperZ]

Originally posted by GimPin
ummm yeah..... OK:rolleyes: so are stock 280z ..... and yes I know you are not stock and yes I am impressed with your times and Torque numbers but a stock S2K is not that slow when you compare it to other stock cars in its class

Taken in the context of the S2000 having the MOST hp/liter of any production car, they are slow. Reason being it's an extremely peaky motor, with next to no torque. That's why it's a lame argument.

All this "stock vs. stock" crap sucks. It's modded cars I care about, and BTW I think Oracle's S2000 ROCKS.

[GimPin]

Originally posted by SleeperZ
and BTW I think Oracle's S2000 ROCKS.

me too I am very jelous .... yeah and so is my car she wants to be FI too

[sinbad]

the kid asked what he should say, sorry sorry i ignored your stupid bickering. and if any one knows the fun of v8 i do so don't talk shit like i am some little ricer kid THANKS!

sinbad

[stu]

Originally posted by sinbad
the kid asked what he should say, sorry sorry i ignored your stupid bickering. and if any one knows the fun of v8 i do so don't talk shit like i am some little ricer kid THANKS!

sinbad

Who the hell are you talking to?

[Brian]

After reading all of this I have to back jojo and his arguments. American cars have large engines because they can. Gas is fairly inexpensive here in the states compared to the rest of the world so larger engines can be produced. Building a 250 hp V8 costs a car company a hell of a lot less than building a 250 hp 1.6 liter 4 cylinder. If you were a car company looking at your bottom line what would you do? I would build a larger engine. it's not that they don't have the technology to build super high hp smaller engines it's just economics. Hp per liter is a gay argument by any standard. Some one will say the usual "well I don't see ford producing a 500 hp 5.0 liter engine". Your absolutly right. They could produce one very easily, but jmost people can't handle nor should they have that much power. Imagine every 16 year old dumb fuck on the road driving a high hp rear wheel drive car. Insurance rates would skyrocket. I believe there are some statistics on the viper out there that state that an insanely high number of new owners crash the car and total it within the first few days.

Stock most imports are pretty pathetic power wise. There are exceptions like teh STi and the EVO, but beyond that American cars pretty much have us in a corner. Most of us have imports because they are affordable and we enjoy modding an underdog. I love my car and would never trade it for a mustang as I love my heated leather, etc. If I were building a mean ass full out drag car though it would probably have more than 4 cylinders :)

[fodo]

Originally posted by 1EightT
I love my car and would never trade it for a mustang as I love my heated leather, etc.

i hate you :mad:
i miss the a4 :(

[Jarod_The_Ronin]

for everyone talking about the Focus.... it Zetec, not ZTEC.

Zetec motors DO NOT have variable valve-timing. Have a look at Ford's website if you want the truth. www.fordusa.com

silly ricers.

[THRICE]

It's the principle of the matter, and name Zetec, not it's functionality Jarod. In other words, don't you think (Ford) one of the largest companies in the world coul have come up with a more original sounding name? I do, but anyways...who cares right? I'm certainly not going to drag it on any longer.


Long story short I agree with alot of what JoJo and Brian said. I was not trying to argue the whole "Import vs Domestic" crap, I was just trying to defend my interestes when people say that Imports are worthless, and give solid examples of why Japanese cars are great cars. I guess only an ignorant mind would be blind enough to say that they weren't anyways. :)

[Skeptron99]

who cares i drive a Honda Civic...and very slow too!
** Motto P* ..dont say a word just go and kick his ass!
he'll figure it out! hehehehe

[stu]

Jojo this, Brian that, fuck you guys. :p

[djet820]

Originally posted by stu
Jojo this, Brian that, fuck you guys. :p

Stu, HAI's new attention whore. :p ;) :D

[David]

I think I will contribute:o

American businesses are VERY greedy, if you dont agree with me then your an idiot. Use Ford for example, they will shave off a couple cents here and there, use lower quality metals, and assemble them as quicly (sp?) as possible to save a couple thousand around.

Take honda for example, they have a tough time competing with Ford because they arn't made in America and people have a problem with that:confused: so they use higher quality stuff, and put more into research, building, parts, ECT. Thats why most Imports can make it over 100,000 miles very easily (not saying a domestic can't, its just harder)

my $.02 canadian

[RiceBurner00]

I honestly dont think just american companies are greedy, every company is

What are you talking about cheaper parts? please explain
Lower quality metals? have you ever shut the door on a Ford, its pretty loud and heavy, and have you ever shut a door on a honda, feels like its aluminum.

you think American companies dont research? dont care? want to just take the money and run?

how is it hard for a domestic to reach 100,000? I hate when people say this, because its not true at all. Of course cars like the accord and other cars can reach over 200,000 at times, because nothing is under the hood that is powerful. It was made like that for a reason, to save money

yea I would put my money on the honda over like a mustang 5.0 to see whose car can run the longest. But I would rather ride something thats a sports car and not an economy car

The resales on older imports stay pretty high, its good for a point A point B car, when people start modding there imports, then the car is going to a whole other level, its a lot faster but it will cost you in reliability and other things.

My aurora has a northstar engine with 170,000 on the odometer. Its the most quiet v8 engine I ever heard, along with the other northstars

My cutlass had 135,000 on it when I sold it and it was running great, the new owner (my cousin) loves it

You just hear a lot of people say, 'yea only imports can get high milage', but you dont know what your talking about

[Brian]

My last honda was made in America. Most U.S. sold honda's are made in America. I don't really see how they used higher quality materials either. The interior was definetly nothing special in my civic. The American companies are no more greedy than any other car companies i nthe world, they just have a market advantage because of location. Of course it's going to cost more to import a car from overseas instead of just driving it from the plant to the dealership.
Originally posted by 4g63_KickAss
I think I will contribute:o

American businesses are VERY greedy, if you dont agree with me then your an idiot. Use Ford for example, they will shave off a couple cents here and there, use lower quality metals, and assemble them as quicly (sp?) as possible to save a couple thousand around.

Take honda for example, they have a tough time competing with Ford because they arn't made in America and people have a problem with that:confused: so they use higher quality stuff, and put more into research, building, parts, ECT. Thats why most Imports can make it over 100,000 miles very easily (not saying a domestic can't, its just harder)

my $.02 canadian

[TedR719]

Companys greedy? They are about making profit, how is that greedy?

Also most imports get higher milage because they have less power, less cylinders, the more cylinders you cram in a motor the greater the risk for somthing to go bad. Any car like you said can run forever but it's up to the person taking care of it.

[RiceBurner00]

yea, its mostly what kind of car and how good of care its in

like you said, 4 cylinder cars are pretty basic with no chance against a performance car, but when you start adding performance to it, the reliability goes down

[dfl]

to the kid who started this whole thing, just race the guy.some people like some shit and other people like other shit. no big deal. just race him, and if he dont want to, then youll know whos got the sack and who doesn't.
and tag his girl too. thats usually a nice touch

[THRICE]

Good idea. :rolleyes:

[HondasTrail]

Originally posted by LeonZ
Just invite him to this site, he will feel welcome...

Do we really wanna do that? I mean I dont wanna come off rude or anything like that but do we really need another troll like minimonster lurking the boards again?