Intakes?

[djet820]

Now is there an actual difference from your stock intake, cold air intake and short ram intake?

The problems I see with the diff intakes are:

Cold air intake - Can suck up water into your engine

Short ram intake - basically just grabs the air from under your hood (which is not cold at all, just really hot)

stock intake - it's too long.

I'm probably going to get short ram but is there a difference from name brands to unknown brands? Ebay has them for like $20 but AEM is like $120

[LeonZ]

Do some search, there have been threads about this earlier. Cold air works the best.

[john]

Most (all?) aftermarket intakes are merely a "filter on a stick". If you are worried about hydrolocking your motor, find a CAI which doesn't place the filter close to the ground.

Some of the sticks which the filters are on are aluminum, some stainless, some plastic. If it were me, I'd avoid plastic.

Is it worth it? Yes - if you are pushing the car hard. A small difference in intake air temps can decide whether the motor is going to knock or not.

A more efficient intercooler would also help - a lot.

[SleeperZ]

My only option to mounting a cold air intake was in my air dam. I've been in the rain and through some heavy traffic and puddles without even a stumble. Only way you are going to hydrolock it is to submerge it.

[CXhatchboy520]

Also, i belive AEM makes a bypass valve that prevents water from getting into the motor.

[djet820]

Originally posted by CXhatchboy520
Also, i belive AEM makes a bypass valve that prevents water from getting into the motor.

Yeah, but I heard it only stops some of the water.

If it's just filters on a stick, I take it that name brands don't matter. I guess I should just get 2 short rams and create a cold air lol. Also, if the cold air isn't close to the ground then where else could it go? I thought most cold airs went to the front bottom corner.

[phil]

mine goes right infront of the passenger side wheel and tucks neatly inside the air dam.

[djet820]

Originally posted by sick_sol
mine goes right infront of the passenger side wheel and tucks neatly inside the air dam.

what kind do you have?

[phil]

aem

[ezzzzy1]

sleeperz is right, you would have to submerge the filter(put it into a bucket from top to botom) for it to suck up enough water to make it to you engine. The reason aem is so expensive is because of the research they do, and because they are one of the only 50 state carb. legal intakes on the market(mandatory if you go to cali.). I have never personally known someone to mess up their motor because of a cold air intake, however manufactures will void a warranty super fast because of one.

[TedR719]

If you are real worried about sucking up water just get the short ram, both will do the same job, just the cold air intake would help on those days that are heated outside. Other than that it will not be that noticable on a Honda motor.

I've had a AEM CAI on both my hatchbacks for about 4+ years and have not had a problem one time with it, rain, snow whatever. The only thing I really notice with a CAI is that the filter will get dirty alot quciker than a short ram would.

[Mario]

NOT all intakes are the same, please do some research before assuming that they are all the same.

AEM ceramic coats the outside of their intakes which helps a lot... most other do not, which is why AEM is more expensive.

I dunno how much of a DIYer you are, but you can create your own intake that will work just as good as an AEM for 1/4 of the cost, and be able to switch back and forth between a short ram style and full CAI style.

[djet820]

hrmmm. I knew about the ceramic coating but is there any other difference? Cause basically it's just bent piping with a cone filter. While CAI is basically a longer bent piping.

[Mario]

I dunno of other differences, but take this advice as well:

most off brand CAI/short ram from eBay are aluminum in design... this is NOT good - aluminum, as we know, is a conductor of heat... now who wants their cold air intake to be a conductor of heat, especially while sitting next to your engine?

If you make your own, do not go with aluminum, go with steel... it may be a LITTLE heavier but not enough to make any difference... you can get some ceramic coat paint and do the inside and the outside, and that will keep your air cold... at least as good as AEM, if not better.

[gothemperf]

The only reason AEM is more expensive is because they’ve learned how to create a brand identity so kids will pay $300 for a piece of aluminum pipe and a filter with out a second thought.

ARC and GruppeM are the only two companies I’m aware of that methodically design their intake systems to alter advantageously the resonance frequencies present in the intake tract.

If you're real serious and learned in composites and compressible fluid dynamics you could fashion your own custom intake chamber to work very specifically over a certain power band with your particular application.

[Slava]

I got the AEM cold air with the by pass and I love it rain or not.

[THRICE]

AEM CAI with a bypass is great. You won't have anything to worry. They tune their intake induvidually to work with your car, and they look good. The best intake on the market for the $. It's been tested many times and proven many times. AEM is good, and quality.

[QuietStorm0406]

Hey guys,
not to rain on the party but intake length and type do matter, it is not as simple as bent pipe and a filter. Lenth and width of the pipe do matter as well as bends and volume of airflow. If these things didn't matter then why not just have a huge pipe and a huge filter to get massive amounts of air into the engine.....doesn't work like that sorry. There is actually research put into the design of the intake itself to provide maximum airflow.....at least with most reputable companies such as injen and aem. Take the new aem intake for example...the v2.....that was not just dreamed up and slapped on....someone had to test it. As far as water goes....there are some that locate behind the fender wall.....those will not have a problem with water unless u go driving around in 2 ft deep puddles. My advice, go with the aem cold air intake and get a bypass valve.....u pay for what u get....don't go cheap and mess up your car.

[TedR719]

AEM = money because of the research and development that was put into their products also not to metion that they are CARB leagal which is a very big deal out there in Cali!

[Mario]

Originally posted by gothemperf
The only reason AEM is more expensive is because they’ve learned how to create a brand identity so kids will pay $300 for a piece of aluminum pipe and a filter with out a second thought.

ARC and GruppeM are the only two companies I’m aware of that methodically design their intake systems to alter advantageously the resonance frequencies present in the intake tract.

If you're real serious and learned in composites and compressible fluid dynamics you could fashion your own custom intake chamber to work very specifically over a certain power band with your particular application.

You sound like a fucking fag trying to throw big words out and sound like you actually have some knowledge... :rolleyes:

[THRICE]

It sounds to me like he is one of those fools who thinks it's better to custom fabricate his own junk out of PVC pipe and fish tank water filters because his cheap ass thinks that AEM engineers are full of shit and are out to conquer the universe by selling intakes for $275. Tell me, do airliners leave contrails to seed the population too?

Fruitcake.

[djet820]

Man....AEM it is then I guess. Is the v2 any good?

[gothemperf]

Originally posted by Mario
You sound like a fucking fag trying to throw big words out and sound like you actually have some knowledge... :rolleyes:

Explain to me the specific design features that make AEM's bent aluminum tubing the "best"? It cant be the ceramic coating because aluminum is already one of the best reflectors of radiant heat(don’t know where this conduction you speak of is going on). Even at the velocities present in the intake tract there isn't going to be enough time for significant heat transfer between the incoming air and the pipe walls anyway. I'm guessing because you decided to result to childish name calling that you cant factually refute my previous statements about AEM intakes or else you would have already done it. Also, why did that intellectual lumpen prole decide to jump in the argument and incorrectly infer what I was talking about? Why does blind forum kinship take prerogative over simple logic?

[Mario]

Aluminum is a conductor of heat... it will transfer heat from one source to another. Not reflect it retard.... guess why many CPU heatsink companies use copper and aluminum? Because they can transfer heat from the CPU core to the fins which then allows the fan to transfer the heat. If it would reflect the heat, then the CPU would just be bouncing the heat back. (with your 'theory').

Now, the reflector of the heat is not the aluminum itself, it is the ceramic coat which AEM uses (and many other company's fail to see how aluminum is a conductor of heat... much like yourself).

And, while the velocities of the incoming air may be high, when your engine reaches several hundred degrees it does make a significant difference which I believe the AEM has already demonstrated. Feel your intake after driving (whether it may be a cheap off brand, or an AEM).. it will be warm from the engine heat. The custom intake I am talking about, which is double ceramic coated, was actually cool to the touch.

[djet820]

Originally posted by Mario
Aluminum is a conductor of heat... it will transfer heat from one source to another. Not reflect it retard.... guess why many CPU heatsink companies use copper and aluminum? Because they can transfer heat from the CPU core to the fins which then allows the fan to transfer the heat. If it would reflect the heat, then the CPU would just be bouncing the heat back. (with your 'theory').



this is true

[THRICE]

OMG!!! Dude, there's such a thing as "trying too hard". Quit the fucking fancy words and stick to the facts. AEM is the best CAI that money can buy. There are charts all over the place that show results, AND The induvidually tune the intakes to work best with certain motors and guarantee a fit. Aluminum is coated with ceramic because when the cool air tarvels thorugh the intake tube it cools the aluminum while the outer coat of ceramic refracts the heat. Also, AEM filters are also shown to filter the cleanest and last the longest. So, explain to me...wtf is your problem with AEM intakes?

[TedR719]

:rolleyes: still talking about what intake is best, what a couple hp difference...

[gothemperf]

Originally posted by Mario
Aluminum is a conductor of heat... it will transfer heat from one source to another. Not reflect it retard.... guess why many CPU heatsink companies use copper and aluminum? Because they can transfer heat from the CPU core to the fins which then allows the fan to transfer the heat. If it would reflect the heat, then the CPU would just be bouncing the heat back. (with your 'theory').

Now, the reflector of the heat is not the aluminum itself, it is the ceramic coat which AEM uses (and many other company's fail to see how aluminum is a conductor of heat... much like yourself).

And, while the velocities of the incoming air may be high, when your engine reaches several hundred degrees it does make a significant difference which I believe the AEM has already demonstrated. Feel your intake after driving (whether it may be a cheap off brand, or an AEM).. it will be warm from the engine heat. The custom intake I am talking about, which is double ceramic coated, was actually cool to the touch.

Where is there heat transferring? Where is the conduction occurring? You mean the RADIANT heat in the engine bay which the aluminum reflects? Why is the stock exhaust manifold heat shield made of aluminum? Aluminum conducts heat, I never disputed that, that’s why high end brake calipers are aluminum. But there is NO conduction going on with the intake(unless you are referring to the edge of the pipe which may touch the edge of the throttle body).

OMG!!! Dude, there's such a thing as "trying too hard". Quit the fucking fancy words and stick to the facts. AEM is the best CAI that money can buy. There are charts all over the place that show results, AND The induvidually tune the intakes to work best with certain motors and guarantee a fit. Aluminum is coated with ceramic because when the cool air tarvels thorugh the intake tube it cools the aluminum while the outer coat of ceramic refracts the heat. Also, AEM filters are also shown to filter the cleanest and last the longest. So, explain to me...wtf is your problem with AEM intakes?

Do big words offend you? Have I not said anything that wasn’t a fact? My problem stems from people not THINKING about what they are purchasing, or even using simple logic and physics to draw conclusions. I have a problem with people believing what they are force-fed over the internet and in advertisements. I don’t directly have a problem with AEM or their products, its just people that can't/aren't willing to THINK. But you know what if people want to spend $300 on a pipe, go right a head, I really could give a damn anymore and it just gives AEM more money to develop their other high end products.

[djet820]

Originally posted by futuresi
:rolleyes: still talking about what intake is best, what a couple hp difference...

well when you have my car that only pushes 37 hp....that few hp makes a difference lol.

[THRICE]

Fine, we'll buy. You don't buy. Now STFU, no one gives a fuck.

[exciv2000]

Actually the Comptech Icebox is by far the best intake for a honda/acura.

[djet820]

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH, damnit. Do you have any proof?

[xain]

HAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[QuietStorm0406]

I don't understand why this had to get so nasty and so technical......first off....the engine gets hot.....everything else in the engine gets hot.....aluminum, titanium.....gold, silver, chrome whatever u got under there. If your intake can keep the air cooler, airflow is denser and your engine is able to combust in a better way. In addition.....when airflow is faster, a greater amoutn of air can enter the engine....also allowing better combustion. Simple. End of story. Whether you do it yourself or you buy one.....the air has to be cool and flow at a certain rate for any type of gain. If the tubing is to large the air doesn't flow as well, if the tubing is to small the same thing happens, that is why lenght, width etc etc are taken into account. I agree there is only so much that can be done to an intake......its just not as simple as people think. If u can make an intake that gives u the gains Aems does or others.....be my guest......but don't argue over dumb stuff, facts are facts.

[exciv2000]

For which car? For instance, Here is a dyno graph for a GSR with the comptech Icebox. It's well above the AEM for HP specs, and you don't have to worry about a stupid bypass valve since the design of the icebox totally negates any water being sucked into the engine. Their downfall is price. But then again, you get what you pay for and you have to pay for quality.

[djet820]

I can't seem to find one for a g2 integra.

[QuietStorm0406]

hey exciv2000, i was just talking in general.....i agree that the comptech icebox yields more gains for certain hondas, i didn't know at first but since you brought it up about comptech i looked.....i just wanted to note that an intake in a car is not as easy as a pipe and a filter.....material...position, lenght are all researched. No disrespect intended to anyone, i mean i also agree that AEM charges a crap load of money for their stuff and so do some other intake makers, which is why i have my stock intake on my own car. But this post was for an intake that has the most benefits, not to argue about other things. Seems like its down to 2 intake brands......comptech or AEM.....

[stu]

Well, then let's throw a wrench in the system shall we? Since Honda uses mostly the same engine in the Civic and Integra, what size diameter tubing would you consider the "right" size for those of you who've done the research? And also, what would you guys say is a good size for turbo charge pipes?

[gothemperf]

http://www.theoldone.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=11936
Here’s an example of a methodically designed induction system. Note how the pieces aren't parallel walled tubes, and how there is a diffuser bell at the filter side and not just a perpendicularly cut pipe end with a bead rolled circumferentially ~3/4" from the edge.

[SleeperZ]

You guys are fighting over scraps. Just turbo the damn thing and be done. I ran a stupid black plastic flex hose for a V8 intake to the front of my car - looks like an accordian - and attached it to a K&N with a 3-1/2" outlet. I spent $50 including the filter for it, and look at the hp I make!

:rolleyes:

[djet820]

from 46 hp to 313 because of a plastic flex hose...I don' think that'll work for me lol.

[QuietStorm0406]

ok ok......now im always open to different ideas...opinions and i am willing to admit when im wrong......and yes lol i had an old v8 to and that had a piece of plastic flex hose on it to. However.....what your saying stu is that it really doesn't matter????

[john]

Come on - stop with the namecalling, you fags! :)

*ahem*

[djet820]

Originally posted by john
Come on - stop with the namecalling, you fags! :)

*ahem*

oh you assclown, stop with the hate names.

I still can't find a comptech icebox for my integ

[QuietStorm0406]

heres the link djet820 i dunno what type of integ u have but they have intakes for each model...i think u gotta get the icebox seperate though.....
http://www.autocarparts.com/part/143/Acura/Integra/

[djet820]

Yeah I went there. I have a g2 91 integ and I don't think they have any for that gen. All I've seen is for the g3. gah

[stu]

what your saying stu is that it really doesn't matter????
I never said that, I think you mean Sleeper Z.

[QuietStorm0406]

well my only advice for you djet820 is to look at your engine bay.....and look at the ones posted on that site and see if it will fit. Im not very familiar with hondas/Acuras but if your engine is the same type used in the newer gens.....it should work....someone correct me if im wrong. Hope that helps.

[djet820]

it doesn't look like it'll fit but then again I'm asian and have small eyes. I think it might work but I gotta take a closer look.

[02AccordV6]

Any suggestions for an 02 accord. It is down to AEM V2 and the comptech. It seems like price is comparable but I havent seen a lot of numbers on the V2. Any suggestions would help. Thanks

[djet820]

damn, you jacked my thread lol. go with AEM

[MADEinJAPAN]

Why is there a 4 page thread about intakes????????