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DrJones
06-16-2003, 09:13 PM
Anyone with a black, red, blue or any color besides white/siver car probably knows what these things are. Well... at least if they see them they know. But what are they really? Where did they come from? How do you make these ugly marks go away? Read below for the answers.

So what are they? Aside from those ugly circles you see when looking at a bright light (ie the sun) swirls are actually tiny scratches in the clear coat of your car. Clear coats are naturally very very soft, therefore just about anything that touches the surface, will leave it's mark. Swirls, also known as marring, are simply lots of tiny scratches in your surface. The light hits them and gets caught in the groves, which bounces it around before it hits your eye. That's why you can see them.

So where did they come from? The answer in short is everywhere. Infact, if you have swirls (just about everyone does) chances are you helped put them there. Even the softest 100% cotton or microfiber towels can still mar the surface. Don't believe me, just take a blank cd and rub them on the surface and look at it in different angles. However, the most common sources are:

Dealerships: stupid kids with no skills using high powered buffers

Automatic car washes: some are good, most will swirl your car

drying your car: usually there is a lot of friction when performing this step, especially using a chamois or absorber or one of those new squeegy things will cause them

Washing with a dirty wash mitt: The general rule in the detailing comunity, is if it hits the ground, it hits the trash. If your wash mit touches the ground, or if you store it there, it will pick up dirt from the floor... you then take that dirt and rub it into your paint when you are 'cleaning' your car.

There are solutions to some of those problems, such as taking care of your towels, and using the 2 bucket/hose method when washing. If you really want to show off there is even a way which you can dry your car (remove usually about 95% of the water) with the hose (more on this later).

So what do you do about them? Well there are 3 solutions.

1) Live with them: 'nuff said, but who would want to?

2) Remove them: Since they are just scratches in the clear coat, you can use an abrasive comput (like liquid sand paper) and 'sand' down the clear coat leveling it out and removing the scratches. This takes a little bit of knowhow and skill, but with the right products and a little bit of reading anyone can acomplish fairly decent results. And no it doesn't take a $150 buffer. Infact you can do it by hand (might take a few hours and work your arm muscles though)

3) Cover them up: This is a popular option. Especially at used car dealerships. Why fix the problem when you can just create the illusion it isn't there. A lot of people like this option because it doesn't involve removing any of your paint. You basically just have to get a good product (usually a polish or glaze) which contains oils and fillers. These don't 'fill' in the scratches like it sounds like they should, but rather they adhere to the surface on the microscopic level, and basically round off the edges (optically). So the light doesn't get as reflected/refracted inside, so they are still there, you just can't see them as well.

Well there you have it. 90% of all ugly looking finishes look that way because of swirls. Just about every car out on the road has them, seems like few people really care. However, when you park a car with no swirls next to a car with them, you will see a HUGE difference.

DrJones
06-16-2003, 09:16 PM
swirls (sadly enough this picture was taken at a car show by a guy i know)

DrJones
06-16-2003, 09:17 PM
But you don't have to live with them

(jason i'm going to use the pic of your car again :D )
http://www.mines.edu/students/p/pfchrist/jason/jason12.jpg

Bedlam
06-16-2003, 10:19 PM
nice thread Dr....keep it going! :)

-Bedlam

DrJones
06-16-2003, 10:27 PM
I will... i need to pace myself though. Heck i could probably sit here for a few hours doing writeups like that... have to introduce it slowly though. I think it will keep people interested more.

b18cya-T
06-16-2003, 10:43 PM
damn...that pic is orgasmic

Talonstylz
06-16-2003, 11:19 PM
DrJ, can i be the young jedi apprentice? Since your the master and all, any chance we could meet up some time so i could get a few tips from you??

DrJones
06-16-2003, 11:54 PM
Sure. I'm always more than happy to educate the uneducated. I really want to do a HAI detailing day. Where we can maybe pick a car or four to detail while everyone can pick up some tips and try some products.

ericjames
06-17-2003, 02:19 AM
awesome!

xain
06-17-2003, 02:22 AM
im interested in that drying with the hose thing. post it! :)

THRICE
06-17-2003, 08:19 AM
Hell yeah, post the hose thing.

Cheio
06-17-2003, 11:01 AM
You need to teach a class! I know I would be grateful! Just have a get together of people and show them: the correct way to wax, the best way to clean windows, how to get swirls out, how to wash a car, how to wash rims, etc....

It'd be aweomse... I might even pay to go see it... well.... probably not... but be good non the less.

Mario
06-17-2003, 04:01 PM
Awesome tut man... can't wait to read the future ones... it'll be nice to be able to take care of a future paint job correctly and know how to do it with some knowledge. I'd be totally up for some of us to get together and do some lessons. :)

Talonstylz
06-17-2003, 05:43 PM
Im working at Christopers Dodge World now and i could use all the tips i can get :) Thanks Dr. J

TedR719
06-17-2003, 05:52 PM
Nice post!!! Defintaly need more of these on the board.

I think I know how to dry the car with the hose, instead of "sprying" the car down, take off the nozzle and let the hose run. Start from the top of the car and let the water just run, and work your way down. This prevents "splashing" the water around.

DrJones
06-17-2003, 08:02 PM
Originally posted by Talonstylz
Im working at Christopers Dodge World now and i could use all the tips i can get :) Thanks Dr. J

best advice i can give... don't be one of these people:

Dealerships: stupid kids with no skills using high powered buffers

:D

Though if you are then i'll give you some business cards to hand out to the unlucky customers. hehe

That's cool you work there, it's literally like 3 mins away from my house (Stu is around here somewhere too). If you ever want to stop by some time and try out some products or something i'd be more than happy to show you some stuff.

Talonstylz
06-18-2003, 08:32 PM
sweet, they are gonna train me with using a buffer so im not too worried. I get off work tommorow at 5, any chance youll be free??

DrJones
06-18-2003, 08:53 PM
I have to sit through presentations at school from 8:00-5:00. But after that, around 5:20 or so i should be here. If you want to come by i can pm you directions and all that.