The new Metallica song...

[b18cya-T]

sucks.


but what else did we expect, metallica has sucked since 1990

[Weston]

I haven't heard it yet, but their stuff from the past few years is all soft and San Franciscoish.

[HONDA GHANDI]

what were you doing in 1990 Titus? :D

[b18cya-T]

sitting in 1st grade :P

[stu]

Tobi beat me to it.

[tsitim]

yeah the 90's back in the day when you could get a gallon of gas and a loaf of bread for ten bucks. Wait that was this morning :drink:

[Weston]

I remember $1/gal being considered high for gas, and that was in Southern California. It's like $2 nowadays.

Stamps used to be 25 cents too. I don't even know how much it is now because they keep jacking up the rates all the time! :mad:

[LeonZ]

metallica was good in 1991..

[Bedlam]

They have sucked for a REALLY long time...sellouts. Anyway, I do like the new Matrix Reloaded soundtrack. The "This is the new shit" song by Mr. Manson..is really badass. I was blasting it next to some guy in a WRX. Seemed terribly appropriate. :)

-Bedlam

[HONDA GHANDI]

Originally posted by b18cya-T
sitting in 1st grade :P

I was graduating high school. :D

[V8SpankR]

I wish people would let the "sellout" label go. If they sold out then define sellout. Does everybody just expect them to stay in the 80s and put out the same music over and over? Well if they did they would have never left the 80s.

I've been a fan since '84 when I first heard Ride The Lightning when nobody could even stand their music and I am probably the only person on this board to have seen them as early as '84 when tix were only $5. Most of this board was probably still playing with their GI Joes,Transformers or Cabbage Patch Kids and listening to Sesame Street songs when they were "not sellouts" so I have a hard time respecting anyone's opinion of Metallica that started listening to them in '91.

I admit that "Load was a bit of a stretch but "Reload was pretty damn good but I doubt most of you actually listened to it. The thing that Metallica went a bit overboard was the symphony album which led to a little overexposure but I think "St. Anger" will get that taste out of my mouth,they are due.

[b18cya-T]

my opinion of when they sold out, is when they started writing songs so people would buy an album, instead of writing songs that actually meant something. if you listen to almost every song in Kill em All, ride the lighting, master of puppets, & And Justice for All, they have meaning...

everything since the Black album seems painfully shallow in that respect. true, there are a lot of songs that i like to listen to, but they just arent the same as the pre-1990's stuff

[V8SpankR]

I think their music changed a bit because of success,it's hard to write such dark and grim songs when your rich,have a family and your life is on easy street plus maturity might have something to do with it,remember they are all about over 40 now and I don't think they're gonna start making music my grandmother will be able to handle unlike some other former "rock" stars who got old and mellowed out.

[HONDA GHANDI]

same thing happens to rappers, they are hard to start wiht and then after they get rich all tehy ever write about is Bitches, money and blunts. :D

[Chevy454]

New Metallica = teh suck

[Bedlam]

Originally posted by HONDA GHANDI
same thing happens to rappers, they are hard to start wiht and then after they get rich all tehy ever write about is Bitches, money and blunts. :D

Reminds me of the song from Eminem..."Dr Dre is rapping about 40s, bitches, and big screen televisions..."

So true.

-Bedlam

[b18cya-T]

Originally posted by Bedlam
"Dre is rapping about 40s, bitches, and big screen televisions..."


"You're rapping about homosexuals and Vicodin."

[jojo]

Originally posted by V8SpankR
I wish people would let the "sellout" label go. If they sold out then define sellout. Does everybody just expect them to stay in the 80s and put out the same music over and over? Well if they did they would have never left the 80s.

I've been a fan since '84 when I first heard Ride The Lightning when nobody could even stand their music and I am probably the only person on this board to have seen them as early as '84 when tix were only $5. Most of this board was probably still playing with their GI Joes,Transformers or Cabbage Patch Kids and listening to Sesame Street songs when they were "not sellouts" so I have a hard time respecting anyone's opinion of Metallica that started listening to them in '91.

I started listening to Metallica in 1983 just before Ride the Lightning. I saw them live for the first time in 1984. Back then only the hardcore types had ever heard of Metallica and the mainstream music audience certainly couldn't stand their style of music.

Writing music to sell albums is a good definition of sellout for me and there's no question, in my mind, that that approach was in full effect by the time the Black album came out. The lyrics to Enter Sandman are a classic example of a band that is out of inspiration and out of musical ideas. I used to love that Metallica was anti-video back in the day. When the video for One came out I knew the end was near. As far as personal taste goes they lost their edge when they lost Cliff and that end of Metallica's appeal to me.

And Justice for All was the last Metallica album I bought. And by the way all of my Metallica albums are on vinyl.

[tsitim]

hey I listened in 83' also damn that was back in the day, I miss those days I could just sit on my ass all day, eat anything, and just talk shit to people!
(then again I was only 2)

[Weston-work]

Wow, I heard the song in question today... it SUCKS! It's as bad as that new Nirvana song.

[Talus]

How is there a "new" Nirvana song?
Anyway, my first Metallica album was Ride the Lightning on TAPE:eek: I was a big fan, headbangin on the bus with my walkman.... man, I was hardcore. I did like the black album, but it was all downhill from there.

[HONDA GHANDI]

I remember the day I went and baought all my favorite Metallica albums on CD to replace my fuked up tapes. MMMMMemories!
i liked the black album but did not listen to it over nad over for years like the previous albums, it just didnt interest me. That was the last one I even considered buying. I remember the day KBPI was going to play their "BRand New SOng" on the radio and I almost threw up. Since then I havent given New Metallica two seconds of my time.

[Weston]

The "new" Nirvana song is that "know your right" piece of crap. It's not new, but newly released. I say it was unreleased for a reason... it SUCKS. And I like much of Nirvana's other stuff.

[V8SpankR]

Originally posted by jojo
I started listening to Metallica in 1983 just before Ride the Lightning. I saw them live for the first time in 1984. Back then only the hardcore types had ever heard of Metallica and the mainstream music audience certainly couldn't stand their style of music.

Writing music to sell albums is a good definition of sellout for me and there's no question, in my mind, that that approach was in full effect by the time the Black album came out. The lyrics to Enter Sandman are a classic example of a band that is out of inspiration and out of musical ideas. I used to love that Metallica was anti-video back in the day. When the video for One came out I knew the end was near. As far as personal taste goes they lost their edge when they lost Cliff and that end of Metallica's appeal to me.

And Justice for All was the last Metallica album I bought. And by the way all of my Metallica albums are on vinyl.

And I fully respect your opinion.

I still like their stuff cause I listen to it with an open mind and most people that say they suck never actually sat down and listen to a whole album,I still think Reload was a decent album but was largely ignored because of Load.

[taikahn]

To me a sellout is a band who latches on to the flavor of the day just so they can sell records. And I'd say around the time the black record came out, Bob Rock was the flavor of the day. And Metallica jumped right in to a recording studio with him and took all the good things about Metallica and through them out the window and let that glam band producing, no ear having mofo named Bob Rock create there new sound. THAT IS SELLING OUT. PERIOD. Metallica sux ass since then and always will.

Black Album, Reload, Load, S&M, Garage Inc, ALL OF IT SUCKS ASS.

[V8SpankR]

Whatever anybody thinks they still will sell a few million records and sell out arenas for some time to come so it just comes down to personal taste. If they sell 5 million records and I was them I would be one damn happy fucker instead of a band that sells 15 million record of one album and then progressively sees sales dwindle over the next couple CDs and are considered a flash in the pan like Hootie,Smashmouth,Matchbox 20,etc.

If they are the flavor of the day then who did they copy? I don't know of any band that precedes Metallica that they are emulating,to me selling out is sounding like somebody else.

[taikahn]

They sound like shit now ... kinda like Alice in Chains instead of the rocking screaming speed metal they once were.

Face it man, Metallica sucks.

Oh and Id rather be in a band like NOFX that can constantly sell 50,000+ records with NO radio play and NO videos and NO mtv appearances, etc. Not to mention, Fat Mike (from NOFX) is smart enough to have started his own label. There are lots of examples of great bands out there that make money and survive for long periods of time and are still great bands. Like: Sugar, Vandals, NOFX, Pennywise, Rancid, Samiam, Sebadoh, Bjork, ALL, The Cure, The Cardigans, Daft Punk, Danzig, --- god the list could go on for ever...

You DONT have to sell out to be a popular, money making band.

[LeonZ]

Originally posted by taikahn
They sound like shit now ... kinda like Alice in Chains instead of the rocking screaming speed metal they once were.

Face it man, Metallica sucks.

Oh and Id rather be in a band like NOFX that can constantly sell 50,000+ records with NO radio play and NO videos and NO mtv appearances, etc. Not to mention, Fat Mike (from NOFX) is smart enough to have started his own label. There are lots of examples of great bands out there that make money and survive for long periods of time and are still great bands. Like: Sugar, Vandals, NOFX, Pennywise, Rancid, Samiam, Sebadoh, Bjork, ALL, The Cure, The Cardigans, Daft Punk, Danzig, --- god the list could go on for ever...

You DONT have to sell out to be a popular, money making band.


:werd:

[Mark_H]

I just saw their new video, and for Metallica, I thought the video was pretty bad, not shot well at all.
Just my 0.2.
Mark

[stu]

Why was NOFX and "good band" used in the same sentence?

Tool is my new Metallica. And Paul, I still like Metallica.

[V8SpankR]

Opinions are like assholes and your's stink. :D

Actually this argument is pointless since it's not gonna sway anybody from either liking or hating them but in the end they will sell millions and play to millions on tour and if I was in a band I wouldn't care so much about record sales but I would love traveling the world playing to millions instead of touring the mid west playing to hundreds and any of those bands would trade places with Metallica in a second but since those bands will never know that kinda success it's also a moot point.

I just think Metallica has matured and find rehashing the old stuff and feeding the same crap to fans over and over like AC/DC does is above them. (While I do like AC/DC they do put out the same album and still sell but they haven't come up with an original idea in 20+ years)

Obviously they are doing something right since very few bands can last 20 years and still be popular,if they really sucked then the public would turn on them as they did with countless one hit wonders.

[LeonZ]

Originally posted by stu
Why was NOFX and "good band" used in the same sentence?

Tool is my new Metallica. And Paul, I still like Metallica.

nofx kicks ass. they started what is now very popular music on the radio and they are still one of the biggest independent bands in the world, putting out 1-2 records every year. you may not like their music, but to me, they are the perfect example of a great punk band.

[V8SpankR]

Originally posted by LeonZ
a great punk band.


Another oxymoron. :D

[LeonZ]

Originally posted by V8SpankR
Another oxymoron. :D

Hehe, yeah... 'Oxymoron' is one of my favorite street punk bands from germany

[Chevy454]

Originally posted by LeonZ
nofx kicks ass. they started what is now very popular music on the radio and they are still one of the biggest independent bands in the world, putting out 1-2 records every year. you may not like their music, but to me, they are the perfect example of a great punk band.

They didn't start shit, they are not some oldschool punk band or anything.

And radio music is gay.

[David]

Metellica is a total sell out now.

AFI fucking sold out now (that pisses me off real bad!)

NOFX will never but there new album really disappointed me

Nirvana's unreleased song was the most uncreative song ever made (it was like RAP only really slow;) )

Punk rock started with the Sex Pistols as far as im concerned (NOFX made it better)

I will never see how Elvis was "rock and roll"

Ozzy is the biggest sell out of ALL TIME and I HATE HIM! (fucking reality TV)

Bugs Bunny is more reality than CSI

Robin Hood was a Communist (take from the rich give to the poor, make everybody equal...why does nobody ever make that connection?)

MTV has got to be the most Christian TV station known to man...they bleep out the stupidest words known to man, and put a gay guy on every single show just so they get government grants....horrible!


im pissed off!:mad:

[Chevy454]

Sex pistols and other old brit punk bands is :cool:

[exciv2000]

mtv can go fuck themselves

[stu]

What the hell are you talking about? You think the Christian church is a big supporter of gays? WTF are you thinking? Don't you mean PC?

[LeonZ]

Originally posted by 4g63_KickAss
Metellica is a total sell out now.

AFI fucking sold out now (that pisses me off real bad!)

NOFX will never but there new album really disappointed me

Nirvana's unreleased song was the most uncreative song ever made (it was like RAP only really slow;) )

Punk rock started with the Sex Pistols as far as im concerned (NOFX made it better)

I will never see how Elvis was "rock and roll"

Ozzy is the biggest sell out of ALL TIME and I HATE HIM! (fucking reality TV)

Bugs Bunny is more reality than CSI

Robin Hood was a Communist (take from the rich give to the poor, make everybody equal...why does nobody ever make that connection?)

MTV has got to be the most Christian TV station known to man...they bleep out the stupidest words known to man, and put a gay guy on every single show just so they get government grants....horrible!



im pissed off!:mad:


whoa, man slow down! ok, i agree with most of this stuff. AFI did fucking sell out and they are one shitty band now. i remeber days when they were my favorite band with their first 3 albums, now that shit is some crappy ass pop-goth-rock i cant stand

chevy454: i never said nofx started punk, they started what is now known as pop-punk and its now the hottest thing on mtv.


oh yeah, FUCK MTV!!!

[taikahn]

Originally posted by V8SpankR
Opinions are like assholes and your's stink. :D

Actually this argument is pointless since it's not gonna sway anybody from either liking or hating them but in the end they will sell millions and play to millions on tour and if I was in a band I wouldn't care so much about record sales but I would love traveling the world playing to millions instead of touring the mid west playing to hundreds and any of those bands would trade places with Metallica in a second but since those bands will never know that kinda success it's also a moot point.

I just think Metallica has matured and find rehashing the old stuff and feeding the same crap to fans over and over like AC/DC does is above them. (While I do like AC/DC they do put out the same album and still sell but they haven't come up with an original idea in 20+ years)

Obviously they are doing something right since very few bands can last 20 years and still be popular,if they really sucked then the public would turn on them as they did with countless one hit wonders.


NOFX started in LA back in 1983 ...

In my book thats 20 years --- talk about something you know about ... dont spout off crap about a band you obviously know nothing about.

[taikahn]

Originally posted by V8SpankR
Another oxymoron. :D


Hmmm... or just another moron who cant handle other peoples music --- if I said great heavymetal was an oxymoron... you'd be flipping. Thing is, Im not that small minded and enjoy bands like: Slayer, Reo Speedealer, Death Angel, Testament, Exodus, Death, Carcass, Suicidal, Carcass, Prong, Tool ---- you know, *real* old school metal.

In fact, I listen to Electronic, Some Hip-Hop, Turntablism, Punk, Alt, Goth, Metal, Jazz, Ambient, Reggae, Ska, etc... In fact, I have over 800 albums by 500+ artists.

[V8SpankR]

Originally posted by taikahn
Hmmm... or just another moron who cant handle other peoples music --- if I said great heavymetal was an oxymoron... you'd be flipping.


I did put a smiley up there as a bit of sarcasm,I wasn't being so serious so pull your panties out of Box Canyon.

You seem to think "real" metal or punk is based on them not selling records or being marginally popular,IMO that's just kinda dumb.

I like alot of different music but in my high school days ('83-'87) I was into Iron Maiden,Crue,Leviathan,Judas Priest,Last Crack,Alice Cooper,Metal Church,Kick Axe,S.O.D.,Anthrax,Lizzy Borden,Raven,Armored Saint,Slayer,Queensryche,Flotsam&Jetsam and plenty of other stuff and I was into most of them well before they were known but I didn't dislike them as soon as they became popular.
I grew up in a household of generally harder rock through the 70s thanks to my dad. I do like alot of other stuff that's kinda mainstream but that doesn't mean it sucks.

I guess if you think you're better based on your taste in music then good for you,I'll just continue listening to my "sellouts".

:rolleyes:

[taikahn]

Originally posted by V8SpankR
I did put a smiley up there as a bit of sarcasm,I wasn't being so serious so pull your panties out of Box Canyon.

You seem to think "real" metal or punk is based on them not selling records or being marginally popular,IMO that's just kinda dumb.

I like alot of different music but in my high school days ('83-'87) I was into Iron Maiden,Crue,Leviathan,Judas Priest,Last Crack,Alice Cooper,Metal Church,Kick Axe,S.O.D.,Anthrax,Lizzy Borden,Raven,Armored Saint,Slayer,Queensryche,Flotsam&Jetsam and plenty of other stuff and I was into most of them well before they were known but I didn't dislike them as soon as they became popular.
I grew up in a household of generally harder rock through the 70s thanks to my dad. I do like alot of other stuff that's kinda mainstream but that doesn't mean it sucks.

I guess if you think you're better based on your taste in music then good for you,I'll just continue listening to my "sellouts".

:rolleyes:

its all good


SOD/MOD rocks...


Woot!

[jojo]

Originally posted by V8SpankR
I did put a smiley up there as a bit of sarcasm,I wasn't being so serious so pull your panties out of Box Canyon.

You seem to think "real" metal or punk is based on them not selling records or being marginally popular,IMO that's just kinda dumb.

I like alot of different music but in my high school days ('83-'87) I was into Iron Maiden,Crue,Leviathan,Judas Priest,Last Crack,Alice Cooper,Metal Church,Kick Axe,S.O.D.,Anthrax,Lizzy Borden,Raven,Armored Saint,Slayer,Queensryche,Flotsam&Jetsam and plenty of other stuff and I was into most of them well before they were known but I didn't dislike them as soon as they became popular.
I grew up in a household of generally harder rock through the 70s thanks to my dad. I do like alot of other stuff that's kinda mainstream but that doesn't mean it sucks.

I guess if you think you're better based on your taste in music then good for you,I'll just continue listening to my "sellouts".

:rolleyes:

This is scary. I thought I was the only person who had a Kick Axe album.

[jojo]

Originally posted by 4g63_KickAss

Punk rock started with the Sex Pistols as far as im concerned (NOFX made it better)


The fashion side of punk started around the Sex Pistols era but the music side started long before. Check out The Stooges in '69-70.

[LeonZ]

some people consider The Who as the early punk band, + dont forget the ramones' 1975 album

[V8SpankR]

Originally posted by jojo
The fashion side of punk started around the Sex Pistols era but the music side started long before. Check out The Stooges in '69-70.

NewYork Dolls (think Twisted Sister but in 1970) and MC5 from Detroit wer considered punk before the term "punk" was coined. Also don't forget David Bowie back in '69.

[V8SpankR]

Originally posted by jojo
This is scary. I thought I was the only person who had a Kick Axe album.

That's doubly scary now as I didn't think anybody on this board would have ven heard of them. I also saw them open for Judas Priest back in '84 on the Defenders of the Faith tour.

[ryanman]

Damn hair bands.

[jojo]

Originally posted by V8SpankR
NewYork Dolls (think Twisted Sister but in 1970) and MC5 from Detroit wer considered punk before the term "punk" was coined. Also don't forget David Bowie back in '69.


I have the MC5 and New York dolls on vinyl. Have you heard the Stooges' album Funhouse? You need to get it if you haven't.

[THRICE]

Yknow what Leo? Eat shit. Haha, Social D started rockin' in 73'. BEFORE the Ramones.

Even though I like the Ramones, they did not start punk.

Technically, NO ONE STARTED PUNK. Punk was a way of living. "Punks" were Englishmen who cheated the government out of $$$ by claiming false disabilities in order to collect. "punk music" was started when a group of "punks" started a band and played a style unknown to commonfolk. Thereafter when that music was mocked by a band called "The Sex Pistols" it was given the label "punk rock".

I have been playing music since I was 6. I may not be any older than 19, but that does not matter. I can play 5 different instruments and I have released 4 albums with 3 different bands as well as working on a music video and recording another album with a band now. AND I STILL CONSIDER MYSELF AN AMETEUR MUSICIAN. Just because you have listened to something for whatever amount of years does mean you know everything about the origin of music. Yes, you may know your shit...but there is always going to be someone who claims they know more. The argument of music and sellouts and origins will never end. It is a neverending battle than can never be won, and not to mention pointless. Because music is music. Listen to it, love it, hate it, whatever...but don't argue over it, because that's what kills it. Music is an art, not a debate.

[LeonZ]

ok, i agree, but social d wasnt even a band 1973, dumbass. mike ness started social distortion in 1979, and the famous mommy's little monster came out in 1981.

[THRICE]

MY BAD, I put 73'. 79' is correct. 1973 is when Mike Ness started his debut career. Who cares when Mommies Little Monster came out, my point was only that Social D was before the Ramones. So anyone who says that the Ramones were the first punk band are incorrect because Social Distortion is technically considered a "punk band".

[LeonZ]

Originally posted by THRICE
MY BAD, I put 73'. 79' is correct. 1973 is when Mike Ness started his debut career. Who cares when Mommies Little Monster came out, my point was only that Social D was before the Ramones. So anyone who says that the Ramones were the first punk band are incorrect because Social Distortion is technically considered a "punk band".

no one said ramones were the first, there were many bands mentioned above that had the punk sound but werent considered punk and there was also many bands that had the punk attitude/style but musicially were different. anyhow, whatever is classified as punk now is not what it used to be.

[domestichell]

Punk is an idea, I don't think it is actually possible to say there is a first punk band....all music generates from some point...like Social D for instance, i saw them with Tiger army a little while ago, there is so much old Folk sound in that stuff its hard to tell where the music came from....bottom line punk is an idea, the word started meaning a fire, or rebellion in somebody. Its not a sound....take for example all this stupid emo shit coming out...that is so far from what punk has always been it shows that music changes when culture changes. Basically its impossible to say tehy were the first punks...or...they started the sound....because the word had a meaning other then the genre of a music before people realized this music exsisted.

[taikahn]

Originally posted by domestichell
...saw them with Tiger army a little while ago....

mmmm, Tiger army... Good!


I saw both there shows out here this year. They rock.

[exciv2000]

Originally posted by ryanman
Damn hair bands.

You know you like them :p

[LeonZ]

Originally posted by taikahn
mmmm, Tiger army... Good!


I saw both there shows out here this year. They rock.

i was there too. tiger army and social d are definately great live bands, im kinda surprised to find out you guys were there... good times

[domestichell]

Tiger army is definatly sweet....Leon you like pennywise...i saw them on my prom night last year....suckers went to dance and i got to see pennwise at the roxy hahahha suckkaaaas

[LeonZ]

Originally posted by domestichell
Tiger army is definatly sweet....Leon you like pennywise...i saw them on my prom night last year....suckers went to dance and i got to see pennwise at the roxy hahahha suckkaaaas

sweet